To a point, yes, but there's enough code that is not shared to make a difference. I won't put FF on my corporate network until it's stable like mozilla is. It might be a great browser and have cool features and the like but even one crash a week is too much (my users averaged 1 crash every day). It makes it not only unusable but it makes all the hype very premature. I can't help but think of the first batman movie that got over hyped so bad that when people finally saw it they went "huh?"
If I had to picture the coders that are working on the projects, I'd picture mozilla full of older men holding debates on the next step to take and firefox full of young attention-deficit crack smoking kids trying to take over the world. I mean that in a funny way btw.:)
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Mozilla is using the NEW gecko engine and the article says that 1.8 will be final soon. How is that old? RTFA. Firefox uses mozilla's gecko engine as well.
From mozilla's FAQ: "Mozilla (Application Suite, also known as SeaMonkey) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Firefox is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Firefox is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use.
Note, though, that Firefox is not the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Firefox differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Firefox has customizable toolbars."
So firefox is different than mozilla because...it has a different user interface. Firefox relies on mozilla's work on the gecko engine so to abandon mozilla is to also abandon firefox.
They better be. Go read the support forums for firefox if you want an idea on what could be improved. Also look at how many posts there are per day. There's a lot that can be made better. Personally I'm tired of the hype. It's a good browser but until it gets better I'm sticking with mozilla.
If you think Hussein was that bad then you've fallen for the propaganda. Pol Pot made Hussein look like Santa Claus, yet we didn't invade and remove him from power. There are several dictators that were far worse than Hussein that we politely ignored. You've also forgotten that we've killed more civilians in Iraq than Hussein did, so what's your point? Oh yeah, the only difference between Bush and Hussein is one of scale.
If marriage is so sacred then why such a high divorce rate? Why such a high spousal and child abuse rate? Marriage is only sacred in books and movies anymore. It stopped being more than just a legal agreement a long time ago and now only exists as sacred in the minds of people who've never tasted it's reality. Yeah there are some that work out, but not anywhere near enough to keep calling it something sacred.
There have been a few comments suggesting this should have been a poll, so I have very unscientifically turned it into one.
Number of times distro mentioned: Debian 29 Red Hat 29 SuSe 22 Gentoo 12 Slackware 8
then my finger started hurting from clicking "find next"... These numbers were found by searching for the terms "debian", "red", "suse", "gentoo", and "slack". Told you it was unscientific.:)
Thanks for expanding my point. That's what I'm saying. You have kids, you have parents, you have games, and you have a ratings system. They all work together. When one doesn't do their job then the system falls apart. Kid: play games Parent: supervise kids playing games Game: entertain Ratings: ASSIST parent with information
It's when parents don't feel like being parents and then get pissed at a game rating system that I wanna smack people upside the head. My kids play Halo2 but not GTA because I'm a parent and I can tell one "M" game from another.
Oh god not that argument. Please. A parent defines what is inappropriate. Every parent has different views of what is appropriate and not. If a parent continually finds their child in possession of "inappropriate" materials then obviously the parent isn't parenting. Don't feel like sitting with your kid while they play X-Box? Then don't buy them an X-Box. Sheesh, it's really not that difficult.
I hate people who want to be lazy parents and force the government to do the parenting for them. Oh, and btw, I have 4 kids (two are teenagers), 2 pc's, an N64 and an X-Box so I know for a fact that these types of arguments are nothing but an excuse for laziness. If people don't want to supervise their kids then thats their problem, not everyone elses.
What he's referring to is the ability to leave autocomplete on, but making it "forget" credit card numbers.
On slashdot, if you say "When I'm driving around in my car, this buzzer won't turn off and it's really annoying." everyone will respond with "Well then just turn the car off."
They don't need you to put the correct info either. The first time you write a check or use a credit/check card they harvest the info and apply it to your shopping card. Remaining anonymous only works if you always use cash and make sure you NEVER use a check or card.
Excellent point. It's not often I get intelligent responses.:)
There are differences in intelligence and ability between humans and animals, yes, but there are also intelligence and ability differences between cats and monkeys. There is a wide gap in abilities between, say, humans and porpoises, but just as there are some who believe we are smarter there are those who believe they are smarter.
Is what a species is capable of doing a sufficient reason to create a huge gap between humans and other animals and declare ourselves superior or "better"? I believe that this gap is caused by ego more than anything else.
This doesn't even touch on the subject of having a spirit or soul. Not sure I want to touch that one.:)
Most of the arguements I'm seeing revolve around the assumption that humans beings are different from non-human animals. What if this proves that there is no real difference between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom? I think most of the dilemmas stem from people's need for their species to be "special" or separate from the rest of the planet, when in reality we're all made of the same stuff and live in the same place. This also hits hard on religious beliefs but since science has always defied religion, religion has always changed itself to fit the new universe. There was a time when saying the earth was not flat was a sin against God and get you killed. Now it's common knowledge and religion is still with us and it's still taken as absolute truth even though the truths change from century to century. You don't have to fear your religion being wrong in some aspect because it will adapt just like it has been since the beginning of time.
We have laws that protect both humans and non-human animals from harm. Abuse a dog and you go to jail. Why wouldn't we be concerned about the welfare of these chimiric animals in the same way? Instead of worrying about their existance, most people are worrying about their own feelings of self-importance and their own need to be separate and special from everything else.
I don't see any difference between putting a pig's heart in a human, and growing a human heart in a pig. Either way, the pig is going to die and lose it's heart. Any differences are illusory and stem from the need to be special and if you're willing to do one then both should be ok.
Yeah, tried that, as mentioned in the parent. Didn't help. I even installed 1.x on a few workstations that never had 0.9, same thing. Sorry but the bottom line is 1.x is buggy and crashes a lot while 0.9 is rock solid. I'm just tired of people hyping a product that does not perform. From an IT point of view, Firefox is gold. From a user point of view, it's worse than IE since IE doesn't crash on a regular basis. So as a 1 man IT department, I have to deal with users who insist I install FF 1.x because of the hype and users who want to strangle me for making them use a browser that crashes. I've decided to just go netscape anyway. It's similar enough and works with every https site I need it to also, with the added bonus that people actually know what Netscape is from experience.
This is in no way meant to be a flame or troll, which is why I'm not posting AC. (Mods be gentle, I'm sensitive back there...)
First let me say I love firefox. I've used new versions of netscape, opera, mozilla, and firefox and FF is my favorite. I am the entire IT dept. where I work and I needed a different browser than IE for more than just security reasons. I am forced to maintain an all windows network as well, so I don't have the option of using *nix.
0.9 ran like a champ. Smooth browsing, no errors except what were caused by websites trying to conform to IE's twisted standards.
When I started upgrading machines to 1.x I started having problems. On average, my users told me that FF would crash 2 to 3 times a day. I went to the forums and read. I did everything suggested. The only way I could get a stable browser working was to go back to 0.9. I also noticed a large number of posts on the firefox forums that complained of the same thing I saw.
Does anyone know when these issues might be fixed? I feel like I have to choose between using an older possibly insecure version of a browser or a newer version that just crashes.
I'm hoping these issues get fixed soon because Netscape will become the default browser here if I can't use FF. My users don't care about security but do care if the browser crashes, and so I have to balance usability with security. Being a 1 man IT department also doesn't give me much room to mess around and experiment. I need working solutions without the hype.
Me and a friend of mine had a contest once to see who could memorize PI to the most number of decimals. He beat me badly. Needless to say he became a successful wealthy programmer while I still fix pc's for a living. Never underestimate the power of PI.:)
The terminal services server combined with roaming profiles works pretty well. I say pretty well because roaming profiles in w2k server has some quirks to it. A few of my users work from home when they're on call. Roaming profiles + terminal services means they get the exact same desktop/icons/email settings/bookmarks/etc at home that they do at work. Each user gets their own screen that cannot be viewed by any other remote user or even from the server itself. They can even print to their printer at home from an app in terminal services. An old crappy computer works fine as well since all work is being done by the server while their home machine is just making the connection. I think the minimum requirements are 166mhz cpu and 16 meg ram or something rediculous. This was nice for one really good reason. We had employees practically demanding that the owner buy them computers at home for this. There is no way in hell he was going to buy everyone a computer for home, but since this was work related he knew he had to do something. Of course, we just upgraded our pc's at work so I had all these 350mhz machines laying around... I made the boss happy that day.
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To a point, yes, but there's enough code that is not shared to make a difference. I won't put FF on my corporate network until it's stable like mozilla is. It might be a great browser and have cool features and the like but even one crash a week is too much (my users averaged 1 crash every day). It makes it not only unusable but it makes all the hype very premature. I can't help but think of the first batman movie that got over hyped so bad that when people finally saw it they went "huh?"
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If I had to picture the coders that are working on the projects, I'd picture mozilla full of older men holding debates on the next step to take and firefox full of young attention-deficit crack smoking kids trying to take over the world. I mean that in a funny way btw.
You forgot to say "you insensitive clod."
unless you make it a habit of pressing your thumb on gummi bears.r s_defeat_fingerprint_sensors/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/16/gummi_bea
http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/007450 .html
Photoshop.
Mozilla is using the NEW gecko engine and the article says that 1.8 will be final soon. How is that old? RTFA. Firefox uses mozilla's gecko engine as well.
From mozilla's FAQ:
"Mozilla (Application Suite, also known as SeaMonkey) is a complete suite of web related applications, such as a browser, a mail/news client, a chat client and much more. Firefox is just a browser, which makes it a better choice if you already have a mail client for example. Also, since Firefox is smaller than the whole Mozilla suite, it's faster and easier to use.
Note, though, that Firefox is not the standalone Mozilla browser. The user interface in Firefox differs from Mozilla in many ways. For example, Firefox has customizable toolbars."
So firefox is different than mozilla because...it has a different user interface. Firefox relies on mozilla's work on the gecko engine so to abandon mozilla is to also abandon firefox.
Both groups are still working. The difference is one group hypes its product while the other doesn't.
They better be. Go read the support forums for firefox if you want an idea on what could be improved. Also look at how many posts there are per day. There's a lot that can be made better. Personally I'm tired of the hype. It's a good browser but until it gets better I'm sticking with mozilla.
If you think Hussein was that bad then you've fallen for the propaganda. Pol Pot made Hussein look like Santa Claus, yet we didn't invade and remove him from power. There are several dictators that were far worse than Hussein that we politely ignored. You've also forgotten that we've killed more civilians in Iraq than Hussein did, so what's your point? Oh yeah, the only difference between Bush and Hussein is one of scale.
If marriage is so sacred then why such a high divorce rate? Why such a high spousal and child abuse rate? Marriage is only sacred in books and movies anymore. It stopped being more than just a legal agreement a long time ago and now only exists as sacred in the minds of people who've never tasted it's reality. Yeah there are some that work out, but not anywhere near enough to keep calling it something sacred.
I guess I should have expected a *nix user to show up a windows user. I mean this IS slashdot. :)
There have been a few comments suggesting this should have been a poll, so I have very unscientifically turned it into one.
:)
Number of times distro mentioned:
Debian 29
Red Hat 29
SuSe 22
Gentoo 12
Slackware 8
then my finger started hurting from clicking "find next"...
These numbers were found by searching for the terms "debian", "red", "suse", "gentoo", and "slack". Told you it was unscientific.
Thanks for expanding my point. That's what I'm saying. You have kids, you have parents, you have games, and you have a ratings system. They all work together. When one doesn't do their job then the system falls apart.
Kid: play games
Parent: supervise kids playing games
Game: entertain
Ratings: ASSIST parent with information
It's when parents don't feel like being parents and then get pissed at a game rating system that I wanna smack people upside the head. My kids play Halo2 but not GTA because I'm a parent and I can tell one "M" game from another.
Oh god not that argument. Please.
A parent defines what is inappropriate. Every parent has different views of what is appropriate and not. If a parent continually finds their child in possession of "inappropriate" materials then obviously the parent isn't parenting. Don't feel like sitting with your kid while they play X-Box? Then don't buy them an X-Box. Sheesh, it's really not that difficult.
I hate people who want to be lazy parents and force the government to do the parenting for them. Oh, and btw, I have 4 kids (two are teenagers), 2 pc's, an N64 and an X-Box so I know for a fact that these types of arguments are nothing but an excuse for laziness. If people don't want to supervise their kids then thats their problem, not everyone elses.
What he's referring to is the ability to leave autocomplete on, but making it "forget" credit card numbers.
On slashdot, if you say "When I'm driving around in my car, this buzzer won't turn off and it's really annoying." everyone will respond with "Well then just turn the car off."
They don't need you to put the correct info either. The first time you write a check or use a credit/check card they harvest the info and apply it to your shopping card. Remaining anonymous only works if you always use cash and make sure you NEVER use a check or card.
Excellent point. It's not often I get intelligent responses. :)
:)
There are differences in intelligence and ability between humans and animals, yes, but there are also intelligence and ability differences between cats and monkeys. There is a wide gap in abilities between, say, humans and porpoises, but just as there are some who believe we are smarter there are those who believe they are smarter.
Is what a species is capable of doing a sufficient reason to create a huge gap between humans and other animals and declare ourselves superior or "better"? I believe that this gap is caused by ego more than anything else.
This doesn't even touch on the subject of having a spirit or soul. Not sure I want to touch that one.
Wow. MOD PARENT UP!
Most of the arguements I'm seeing revolve around the assumption that humans beings are different from non-human animals. What if this proves that there is no real difference between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom? I think most of the dilemmas stem from people's need for their species to be "special" or separate from the rest of the planet, when in reality we're all made of the same stuff and live in the same place. This also hits hard on religious beliefs but since science has always defied religion, religion has always changed itself to fit the new universe. There was a time when saying the earth was not flat was a sin against God and get you killed. Now it's common knowledge and religion is still with us and it's still taken as absolute truth even though the truths change from century to century. You don't have to fear your religion being wrong in some aspect because it will adapt just like it has been since the beginning of time.
We have laws that protect both humans and non-human animals from harm. Abuse a dog and you go to jail. Why wouldn't we be concerned about the welfare of these chimiric animals in the same way? Instead of worrying about their existance, most people are worrying about their own feelings of self-importance and their own need to be separate and special from everything else.
I don't see any difference between putting a pig's heart in a human, and growing a human heart in a pig. Either way, the pig is going to die and lose it's heart. Any differences are illusory and stem from the need to be special and if you're willing to do one then both should be ok.
Yeah, tried that, as mentioned in the parent. Didn't help. I even installed 1.x on a few workstations that never had 0.9, same thing.
Sorry but the bottom line is 1.x is buggy and crashes a lot while 0.9 is rock solid. I'm just tired of people hyping a product that does not perform. From an IT point of view, Firefox is gold. From a user point of view, it's worse than IE since IE doesn't crash on a regular basis. So as a 1 man IT department, I have to deal with users who insist I install FF 1.x because of the hype and users who want to strangle me for making them use a browser that crashes.
I've decided to just go netscape anyway. It's similar enough and works with every https site I need it to also, with the added bonus that people actually know what Netscape is from experience.
I've had more luck with acrobat 7 than with 6. I've only tried it on one pc though. Have you tried it?
This is in no way meant to be a flame or troll, which is why I'm not posting AC. (Mods be gentle, I'm sensitive back there...)
First let me say I love firefox. I've used new versions of netscape, opera, mozilla, and firefox and FF is my favorite. I am the entire IT dept. where I work and I needed a different browser than IE for more than just security reasons. I am forced to maintain an all windows network as well, so I don't have the option of using *nix.
0.9 ran like a champ. Smooth browsing, no errors except what were caused by websites trying to conform to IE's twisted standards.
When I started upgrading machines to 1.x I started having problems. On average, my users told me that FF would crash 2 to 3 times a day. I went to the forums and read. I did everything suggested. The only way I could get a stable browser working was to go back to 0.9. I also noticed a large number of posts on the firefox forums that complained of the same thing I saw.
Does anyone know when these issues might be fixed? I feel like I have to choose between using an older possibly insecure version of a browser or a newer version that just crashes.
I'm hoping these issues get fixed soon because Netscape will become the default browser here if I can't use FF. My users don't care about security but do care if the browser crashes, and so I have to balance usability with security. Being a 1 man IT department also doesn't give me much room to mess around and experiment. I need working solutions without the hype.
As of 1:42 CST, I am connected to 26 seeders and 28 peers. I believe we're seeing the opposite of the slashdot effect.
omg I so have to email him now...thanks
Me and a friend of mine had a contest once to see who could memorize PI to the most number of decimals. He beat me badly. Needless to say he became a successful wealthy programmer while I still fix pc's for a living. :)
Never underestimate the power of PI.
The terminal services server combined with roaming profiles works pretty well. I say pretty well because roaming profiles in w2k server has some quirks to it.
A few of my users work from home when they're on call. Roaming profiles + terminal services means they get the exact same desktop/icons/email settings/bookmarks/etc at home that they do at work. Each user gets their own screen that cannot be viewed by any other remote user or even from the server itself. They can even print to their printer at home from an app in terminal services.
An old crappy computer works fine as well since all work is being done by the server while their home machine is just making the connection. I think the minimum requirements are 166mhz cpu and 16 meg ram or something rediculous. This was nice for one really good reason. We had employees practically demanding that the owner buy them computers at home for this. There is no way in hell he was going to buy everyone a computer for home, but since this was work related he knew he had to do something. Of course, we just upgraded our pc's at work so I had all these 350mhz machines laying around...
I made the boss happy that day.