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Mozilla Roadmap Update
wikinerd writes "According to a recent roadmap update for Mozilla, the beta 1.8 version will be unveiled this month, while in the next month a second beta will be prepared. After the Beta2, Gecko engine 1.8 will be finished and it will power Mozilla 1.8, Mozilla Firefox 1.1 and Mozilla Thunderbird 1.1. The developers will then start working on Mozilla 1.9. Here are some nice graphics depicting the roadmap."
Does anyone know what new features will be available in 1.1? I know i know, I could have RTFA..but me too lazy..
"There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people."--Howard Zinn
...that Firefox 1.0 can be improved upon?
Wasn't the Mozilla All-In-One browser supposed to be disbanded and effort placed into Firefox a while back? Are they going to continue delaying and delaying this? I tried to read the article, but it didn't seem to say. I'm curious as to how many people still use Mozilla, anyway.
Is it just me or is that graphic totally unnecessary?
$lt;br> problem!) but it's a free WYSYWIG HTML editor withoout too many frills or complexities, and it throws out reasonably tidy HTML which can be cleaned up by hand much more easily than (say) Frontpage output.
So what's the future for Composer? I'd love to have it either as a standalone alongside Firefox and Thunderbird, or as an extension to Firefox.
I notice that Thunderbird contains vestiges of Composer (e.g. CSS styles for display modes no longer available)...
I recently started using FireFox at home and am wondering if someone would mind explaning the difference between Mozilla and FireFox. I understand they're both free software projects and are based on the same core technology. Why are there then two browsers? Is it simply a code fork?
Firefox roadmap update
I can't wait there have been a few bugs in FireFox that I hope they fix. But all in all keep up the good work guys, I am a little peaved you missed a delivery date, but I can deal.
/. starts rendering correctly by fixing their HTML.
I think the next big milestone is when
The Map
A feeling of having made the same mistake before: Deja Foobar
They should make the gecko do the robot in the about window.
Why are they still working on Mozilla? IMHO, they should stop wasting efforts on it and turn their attention to Firefox and Thunderbird. All the new features go to Firefox and Thunderbird first and there's no reason to work on Mozilla. The Mozilla code is old and they should give it a rest. It's not 1999 anymore guys, get with the times. We don't want a bloated suite when we have sleek, fast programs. You can try all you want to port new Firefox and Thunderbird features to Mozilla, but why waste the time?
I use Firefox for my Mac, and I have used it for a while now. However, I have found it to use up a godly amount of memory, which sometimes leads to crashes on my mere 512 MB machine. I noticed the 1.0 version was better than the 0.9 version at this, and I hope the 1.1 version is even better.
Anyway, I'm just wondering... does anyone else have these memory problems on their Mac's, or is it just me?
I'd like to see more websites displayed properly in the next releases. As much as I like Firefox, it's not my favorite when it hoses up the look/feel of a website. Even if the problems are due to the author and not the browser, end users don't care and they know IE displays it better and think of IE as a better browser. I'd like to see firefox deal with these issues in the same way so more end users switch to firefox.
Before anyone evens grabs the oblig. "Yeah but it still can't display Slashdot right!!oneone!1" post, the fix is in the pipeline for 1.1. And it's a race condition with Firefox, not with /.
Slashdot sucks
I don't see Sunbird in any of those slides. We still seem to be far away from a complete Outlook replacement that is stable enough to pitch to people. I would think replacing Outlook would be a good investment of resources.
I just want to know if Firefox 1.1 will support rendering Slashdot?
Just an idea, absurd I know, but... since every OTHER site I visit works great with the fox, so maybe somebody should stop posting dupes and fix the HTML?
Yea, too absurd...
- Adam L. Beberg - The Cosm Project - http://www.mithral.com/
NVU [1] is a standalone version of the composer which is actively developed (probably more so than composer) and works nicely alongside Firefox.
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[1] http://www.nvu.com
Still no SVG?!?!
Anyone know what Safari's innerworkings are like? From what I've used of it, it seems very Mozilla/Firefox'ish. Is there any relation, or is it just the path that all browsers seem to be going down?
Mark A. McBride -- OmniNerd.com
How about a version of Firefox and Thunderbird that compiles/runs on Redhat 7.3?
The only official release of Firefox is 1.0. There are a number of outstanding security flaws in Firefox 1.0 as reported by Secunia and none have been addressed yet. I don't know if there is a nightly release that fixes these flaws, but even if there is, those are not the releases that Mom and Pop download, and it is that type of user that tends to be affected most by security flaws. Doesn't the Firefox/Mozilla team need to release a version 1.0.1 that fixes these flaws sooner rather than later? Unfortunately there is no 1.0.1 on the road map, and version 1.1 is not scheduled to be released until June, if it is on time. By then the oldest unpatched flaw, from August 2004, will be 10 months old! While the severity of current flaws is nowhere near MSIE territory, the age of unpatched flaws will be getting into MSIE territory (well, somewhat, anyway.)
--- What?
Well there is NVU. That is according to their own words "A complete Web Authoring System for Linux Desktop users as well as Microsoft Windows users to rival programs like FrontPage and Dreamweaver."
It's in it's third pre-release of the 1.0 beta and are based on Mozilla Composer.
But it's always better to code by hand, since you usually can't make semathically correct code in a WYSIWYG editor. (though for design some of them are usable.)
My two biggest requests:
1. allow blocking of flash (please, please, please)
2. show the url in the location bar for web pages
that fail to load
Smaller request:
3. Javascript - allow for enabling/disabling
- hide menu bar
- fixed window size
- right click disable
- resize window
- hide status bar
- hide buttons
- hide tabs
- page refresh (please, please, please)
Smaller request:
- block loading anything from a url (e.g., not just images or cookies)
... wouldn't one centralized Mozilla suite be better to begin with?
I know a number of people who have downloaded Firefox, Thunderbird, and Sunbird, and who are adamantly awaiting a Composer-esque stand-alone app. And yet they won't download Mozilla, citing it's "huge".
Just sayin'.
Meh, last as usual. I might as well not post. :/
I like Firefox, and occasionally use it in lieu of Safari on my iBook. However, it has one major shortcoming IMHO: the lack of built in functionality for the middle scroll button. Now, I know you can program it in using a driver program, but that's unsatisfactory and leaves it lacking.
I've heard promises of future compliance w/ the middle click to open a new tab, but I hope they pull through and it does happen. Until then, Firefox just can't hold its own with Safari, as the middle-click button is a feature that many users love. Instead, we have to right click + open in new tab to get a new tab [hee hee, luckily Mac OS X does support a two-button mouse!].
"There's no success like failure, and failure's no success at all."
- Bob Dylan
konquerer krules in its kore!
I'd like that tool for our workplace.
As far as I'm concerned, roadmaps are only involved in directions to peace. Not software locations...
that's my word, holla...
If you wanted to see the actual roadmap itself, starting at this /. article you had to wade through not one, not two, but three intermediate sites to get to it. Thanks a lot for not putting a direct link anywhere in the article, guys.
For blocking flash: flashblock.mozdev.org
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
Did Firefox find Jesus or something? Perhaps you meant "ungodly."
David Hyatt is also working on safari. Who was from netscape.
There is a spark in every single flame bait point.
Will we ever see a composer replacement? I still use the suite for the composer--
Perhaps i need to RTFA a little more, but i don't see any mention of SVG which is disappointing.
Ok. I know FireFox is cool and sleek and sexy and all. What no one seems to notice is that it totally sucks when compared to mozilla.
Don't get me wrong, it is fine for a first cut at a browser. But it is pathetically underfeatured. No, I'm not talking about it needing a mail client or web page composer or expresso maker. What it needs and doesn't have is a way to configure the browser without having to use about:config. The preferences dialogs don't cut it. Not at all. Not even close.
I'm still trying to figure out how to configure it to use the One True Cookie Policy (TM)* Even simple things (like popping tabs up on top rather than in the background) can't be done w/o setting the apropriate properties manually.
I don't think "A browser that uses vi to manage user preferences" is a good idea at all. I wish mozilla had more support for configuration w/o having to deal with the js, but FireFox is PATH-THET-TIC!
Oh yeah, and where is the smaller faster that we were promised? I can't tell any difference between mozilla and FireFox in loading or browsing response.
It'll be mozilla for me 'till the FireFox folks get serious about allowing the user to configure the browser.
* The One True Cookie Policy(TM) is to prompt the user before accepting cookies and remember the user's preferences. Simple in Moz. Impossible(?) in FFox.
What is with all of this complaining about Firefox not rendering slashdot? I read slashdot at school with Firefox (which is installed on all lab machines) and it renders just like it does in IE. I read slashdot with Camino which is little more than a COCOA port of Gecko, and it renders just fine. What is the deal here?
Click here or a puppy gets stomped!
Especially if you're going to make silly blanket statements like "It's always better to code by hand."
I'm amazed that what I consier to be a HUGE security issue hasn't been addressed.
If you open 2 tabs, and the background one has an applet of any type, the applet can grab the actions from the visible tab, redraw the visible tab and so on.
I'm surprised that a 'slashdot rendering' bug makes it into the list when a REALLY, REALLY dangerous vulnerability is present. I have seen quite a few bug reports about it, and I tried posting my own, but alas, no response.
I feel a bit like the dude who posted his bug to bugzilla, only to get no response.
The bugzilla.mozilla.org bug report is 233780, although there are lots of others that are similar. They keep getting marked as unconfirmed, when they are quite easily reproducible.
Argh
Re your sig... I think a more important question is "What is Lain?"
- -
Are you an SF Fan? Are you a Tru-Fan?
2. show the url in the location bar for web pages that fail to load
Try this extension.
"...personality goes a long way."
A lot of the new and fixed stuff (including the /. rendering bug) is already available in the nightly builds. I wouldn't install a nightly for Grandma, but they're definitely very usable by anyone of sufficient geekdom:
g htly/latest-trunk/
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/ni
Does anyone know how those graphics were generated?
They look really nice... I've been looking for a tool to create automated timelines like that.
Conformity is the jailer of freedom and enemy of growth. -JFK
Anyone know if they plan on fixing the memory leak in Firefox 1.0? I've even used this fix, and Firefox continues to gobble up memory. I don't use tabs, but multiple windows.
Too funny troll...
sorry, but what is the difference between the trunk and branch versions of firefox?
Some of those security issues have been fixed in the nightly builds, but right now the nightlies have a whole whack of regressions that make them pretty close to unusable.
Usually the nightlies are quite usable, but after 1.0 was released they merged in all the Mozilla 1.x changes that had happened in the last 8 months or so, which brought about a whole load of regressions. I expect you'll be able to get more usable nightlies of Firefox 1.1 in a couple weeks leading up to the developer preview. (Also these builds include the perennial Slashdot rendering bug!)
- Allen Pike
Altering time, one time at a time.
Is that no finalizing work has been done on CAP (Calendar Access Protocol).
Netscape for one is a pretty much a rebranding of the Mozilla suite with heavy customization. A of companies don't use Mozilla but use Netscape still, which is essentially the same as Mozilla suite. There are some power user features that come in the suite that I use on a regular basis. If I used Firefox I'd have to get them as extensions.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10002 2
I stopped being lazy though and just dug up the actual proxy address from the script and entered it directly in Firefox...
Arguing about vi versus Emacs is like arguing whether it's better to make fire by rubbing sticks or banging rocks.
Got to love it the original question got modded "0, Offtopic" but the reply, which was about THE SAME GOD DAMN TOPIC, was modded up all the way up to "4, Informative".
Will Mozilla have a feature to remember the password on my Yahoo Mail one day? One can only wish.
Maybe something simple, like if there is a PW FIELD THEN ASK WHETHER TO SAVE THE PW?
Why do random sites not work with the PW manager?
Just after I FINALLY change to Firefox and get 1.0, now I have to get 1.1?
The single button mouse on a Mac is always treated as the "left" mouse button on more endowed mice.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
They've got the NSPR and Gecko, which are library-based implementations of a lot of the stuff under the hood that is shared. If someone were to sort of design a "network-transparent" XUL implementation; a thin front-end type thing mostly concerned with event handling... that sat on top and could communicate to a shared memory realm/daemon that hosted the common components that'd be kinda cool. The Unix implementation would probably be easier than the Windows one though.
THIS THING CAN TURN ON A DIME, MACROSSZERO STYLE ALSO FUCK BETA, ~NYORON
There's a functional XForms installation available for testing for Mozilla and Firefox. It's a 150 kb single-click installation on top of recent (last week's) Firefox or Mozilla builds.
I probably should have added an IMHO. :/
Now I don't know what a blanket statement is and can't find its definition in any dictionary nor on a web-search. So I'll have to guess that it means "a statement without motivation"? In that case I don't follow what you mean since I did motivate why.
Well nobody will be reading this anyway, so I should just let it go.
Well there is NVU.
Thanks everyone who mentioned this -- that seems to be close to what I need (if a little over featured!)
But it's always better to code by hand, since you usually can't make semathically correct code in a WYSIWYG editor. (though for design some of them are usable.)
I know what you mean, but I don't quite agree. One can perfectly easily envisage a GUI semantic editor -- LyX comes close.
With Composer you could edit with a CSS style that explicitly shows you the semantics you're coding - I note that NVU has a pulldown for class...
(I was a bit worried for second -- I thought "no class" was the software making a judgement on me
I remember hearing that. Mozilla 1.4 would be Firefox. They are announcing 1.8. What happened?
Hatredman
Others already answered requests 1 and 2, so I'll just answer 3:
Go to about:config (for anyone who hasn't used it before, just type that in the URL bar). Filter for "dom.dis". You'll get a list of options. Most of them are self-explanatory, and should be set to true if you want to always have your status bar, url bar, etc., or false if you don't mind sites deciding that. You can probably google for the ones you don't understand.
There are 11 types of people in the world: those who can count in binary, and those who can't.
The issue seems to be solved in the latest trunk, which seems pretty stable to me.
Not all conservatives are stupid,
but it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- Hume
A blanket statement is one that applies to every situation without exception, as in it covers it like a blanket.