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Funny how there is alot of talking about it being stealing in the slashdot thread on certain companies ignoring the GPL. Yeah, theft and copyright infringement are different but they are both still WRONG TO DO! If you didn't create it / pay to use it / get a license for it, it IS NOT YOURS.
LGPL code can be relicensed under any license by the owner (copyright holder) at any time. If the person originally wrote the code and did not give up their copyright, they can do whatever they want with it (but not with anyone else's code). The question is what code was "similar" and who is the original author and/or copyright holder.
On the contrary, thousands of years of economic theory actually supports GPL software. Free software is solidly transaction based: I let you use my software, I get to use the changes you make, and we both benefit. It's a transaction, and we both got what we wanted, and are better off.
Its economics, just like barter is economics. The GPL relies on respect for other people's property, and the conditions they put on what they produced, and what they are willing to offer it for.
I want a palm/zaurus interface on the small 40GB drive they use in the ipod. You get to carry around as much information, and it won't make your arm tired. With the vidport like the zaurus has, you could connect it up to a real monitor when you get home, or "sync" it with your desktop.
Of course, then you Brits have to pay the French, Germans (where do you think "kindergarten" came from?), Italians (after all, alot of your words have Latin roots)... and of course, all British subjects must also forward all payments the queen, as she is the only one with rights you know... she 0wnz0rs U;)
The English language, the biggest "IP thief" of the languages... woot!
I suggest we shift the taxes back UP the spectrum... back to the way it was done when the income tax was first introduced: in 1913, the tax rate was 7% for those making $500,000 or more - 0% for those making less. Adjust that for inflation and call it done!
Ok, quick lesson in economics (exceptions are acknowledged, but this is the general rule): the rich always get richer. Why? Because they have more money to invest in starting up companies, to put in banks, et cetera. They also have more time to think about what they can do with their money. Kinda hard to think about what to do when you have to feed yourself, your spouse and three children, and make sure they are all taken care of - while you work 9 to 5 (or 9 to 9)...
Now, here is the part people don't understand:when the economy is good, on average, the poor get richer also. When the economy is bad (and it is right now) the poor lose ground. The rich lose ground but stay in the positive territory - a few less lattes and they are ok. The poor go to zero gain or worse, negative gain because things get more expensive (adjusted for inflation). Yay, you got a 2% raise, but your food costs went from 600 dollars to 750 a month... but throwing more money at them won't work either - hey more people are coming into my car show room... I can demand more for my car I'm selling I'll even give em a "zero percent" financing because I know I get 20% more out of them in the long term...
So you tax luxury items, say a 10% extra tax on boats? Guess who loses their jobs? Not the V.P. who can't afford a new yacht this year, it's all the people in the shipyard because the yacht company can't make enough sales this year.
Your disparity comment gets a chuckle out of me, as I've seen that evolve... Of course I know people who say American salaries *adjusted for inflation* peaked in 1972, the year that Nixon took us off the gold standard. Are they right? I don't know, you tell me.
No, I am not rich, though I do have a job that I am able to support two people on- IF I watch what we're spending... If you want some reading try "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" (someone who DID start out poor and became rich- no, not by selling his books or cheesy mass marketing), and get his take on things. I don't agree with everything he says but on the whole he is right. It's much harder to *become* rich when you are poor than most people think - I know I don't have the discipline yet.
-antim p.s. Don't take my word for any of this, do your own research. And make sure you get multiple sources, especially some with logical reasoning that disagrees with you! RMSTFY (read multiple sources, think for yourself!)
I like the GPL. But my feeling is that sometimes I want to give the users Choice. Let them choose to do "good" or "evil". Their choice. Which is why I like the BSD licenses also. Ultimately, who am I to force my views of "good" on them?
I agree, I think SCO arguments are full of holes (and their company leadership full of *holes). I still wouldn't be surprised if they still argue that GPL == Public Domain in their FUD. Thanks for the clarification of trademark vs. copyright.
I suspect (and the subsequent news postings of SC0 seems to confirm) is that SCO is going to argue that stuff released under the GPL is public domain. My guess is they are going to argue since the copyright holders aren't "enforcing" their rights then there are no rights to "enforce" - it is publically available and the no one cares what you do with it, it is public domain. So SCO may try a two point attack 1) the GPL itself is invalid and 2) the copyrights underlying it aren't being actively enforced therefore 3) it is public domain. (NOTE: I do not agree with this, this is just what I think one of their arguments are going to be).
Just like that college in California that has to shut down the shortcut through its campus every couple years to make sure they don't lose their property, copyrights are only good if someone is "actively trying to enforce them" - when you find a violation you must act. The history of the FSF/GPL community working with GPL violators to bring them in line is going to be the major counter argument (such as the recent work with Linksys to make sure they release the Linux they use). Other people who have worked on an individual basis to bring GPL violators to task would be helpful for the GPL case also.
Diversity costs more because people aren't exposed to diversity. I know my lack of diversity in OSes has slowed my migration down to another platform.
I used to think like you until someone said they tried to learn one new programming language a year. Why? Because different programming languages have different concepts, strengths, and weaknesses. It's like a toolchest, a hammer, a saw, a screwdriver. The more you know what tool to use for what job, the better off you are.
As for training students to use it, the first thing schools need to train kids in (before they ever sit in front of a computer) is logic. Logic is useful outside the computer lab.
Personally, I feel kid shouldn't be in front of a computer at school unless they are learning computer concepts, and in that case there should be as many different operating systems available as possible (multiple flavors of linux, multiple flavors of bsd, windows, mac, maybe even Plan9, BeOS, and some RTOS). The only other place computers may have a place in school would be in the library for research (for the kids who don't have internet connection at home).
Still, it is more important to teach kids logic than "computers" and alot the kids I know don't even have that - even if they do know how to use a mouse. Teach kids to think for themselves and when you do teach them computers, give them a diverse set to evaluate and come up with their own opinions (instead of forcing down their throat the "one true way").
Here's a link to guidelines to living off the grid. The most notable quote:
You
will need a generator
Even a conservatively designed off-grid power system will sometimes exceed the energy available from the sun. Also, large occasional loads (e.g. large power tools) are usually best handled by a fossil fuel generator.
I remember a story of a Californian who decided to live "off the grid", using alternative energy (solar power I believe). His kids got teased at school... until everyone's house in the neighborhood lost power - except his.
Considering the Na+ is necessary for nerve function, and I think salt is much maligned. Other than it is added to too many things in most people's diet, it is necessary for life... and if I was in ancient times I'd rather be paid in salt than have to drink the Spartan's "black broth" (animal blood mixed with vinegar -yuck).
One wonders what this will do to the South African economy, where De Beers has some large mines. Still, I prefer taking the wind out of this artificial scarcity. Now if only the oil alternatives were more economically viable (Euphorbia lagascae, et cetera)...
It's not about education and the kids for the administrators, its about the dollars. There are teachers that care, and some admins do too, but they are the minority. Personally, I feel that you got to teach yourself to think critically and educate yourself.
-antim
This Vultus "technology" sounds like the IE version of XUL with RPC. I personally like XWT or another member of the XUL Alliance better, thanks anyway.
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Funny how there is alot of talking about it being stealing in the slashdot thread on certain companies ignoring the GPL. Yeah, theft and copyright infringement are different but they are both still WRONG TO DO! If you didn't create it / pay to use it / get a license for it, it IS NOT YOURS.
LGPL code can be relicensed under any license by the owner (copyright holder) at any time. If the person originally wrote the code and did not give up their copyright, they can do whatever they want with it (but not with anyone else's code). The question is what code was "similar" and who is the original author and/or copyright holder.
Yeah when IBM and Google team up to write a migration path for Cobol (probably on a new IBM mainframe) then I'll pay attention.
On the contrary, thousands of years of economic theory actually supports GPL software. Free software is solidly transaction based: I let you use my software, I get to use the changes you make, and we both benefit. It's a transaction, and we both got what we wanted, and are better off.
Its economics, just like barter is economics. The GPL relies on respect for other people's property, and the conditions they put on what they produced, and what they are willing to offer it for.
I want a palm/zaurus interface on the small 40GB drive they use in the ipod. You get to carry around as much information, and it won't make your arm tired. With the vidport like the zaurus has, you could connect it up to a real monitor when you get home, or "sync" it with your desktop.
/me *hangs head in shame for not reading post all the way through*
Of course, then you Brits have to pay the French, Germans (where do you think "kindergarten" came from?), Italians (after all, alot of your words have Latin roots)... and of course, all British subjects must also forward all payments the queen, as she is the only one with rights you know... she 0wnz0rs U ;)
The English language, the biggest "IP thief" of the languages... woot!
I suggest we shift the taxes back UP the spectrum... back to the way it was done when the income tax was first introduced: in 1913, the tax rate was 7% for those making $500,000 or more - 0% for those making less. Adjust that for inflation and call it done!
Ok, quick lesson in economics (exceptions are acknowledged, but this is the general rule): the rich always get richer. Why? Because they have more money to invest in starting up companies, to put in banks, et cetera. They also have more time to think about what they can do with their money. Kinda hard to think about what to do when you have to feed yourself, your spouse and three children, and make sure they are all taken care of - while you work 9 to 5 (or 9 to 9)...
:when the economy is good, on average, the poor get richer also. When the economy is bad (and it is right now) the poor lose ground. The rich lose ground but stay in the positive territory - a few less lattes and they are ok. The poor go to zero gain or worse, negative gain because things get more expensive (adjusted for inflation). Yay, you got a 2% raise, but your food costs went from 600 dollars to 750 a month... but throwing more money at them won't work either - hey more people are coming into my car show room... I can demand more for my car I'm selling I'll even give em a "zero percent" financing because I know I get 20% more out of them in the long term...
Now, here is the part people don't understand
So you tax luxury items, say a 10% extra tax on boats? Guess who loses their jobs? Not the V.P. who can't afford a new yacht this year, it's all the people in the shipyard because the yacht company can't make enough sales this year.
Your disparity comment gets a chuckle out of me, as I've seen that evolve... Of course I know people who say American salaries *adjusted for inflation* peaked in 1972, the year that Nixon took us off the gold standard. Are they right? I don't know, you tell me.
No, I am not rich, though I do have a job that I am able to support two people on- IF I watch what we're spending... If you want some reading try "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" (someone who DID start out poor and became rich- no, not by selling his books or cheesy mass marketing), and get his take on things. I don't agree with everything he says but on the whole he is right. It's much harder to *become* rich when you are poor than most people think - I know I don't have the discipline yet.
-antim
p.s. Don't take my word for any of this, do your own research. And make sure you get multiple sources, especially some with logical reasoning that disagrees with you! RMSTFY (read multiple sources, think for yourself!)
SCO, the geeks' O.J. Simpson trial.
SCO keeps saying kernel 2.4 - TiVo uses kernel 2.2
I like the GPL. But my feeling is that sometimes I want to give the users Choice. Let them choose to do "good" or "evil". Their choice. Which is why I like the BSD licenses also. Ultimately, who am I to force my views of "good" on them?
I agree, I think SCO arguments are full of holes (and their company leadership full of *holes). I still wouldn't be surprised if they still argue that GPL == Public Domain in their FUD. Thanks for the clarification of trademark vs. copyright.
I suspect (and the subsequent news postings of SC0 seems to confirm) is that SCO is going to argue that stuff released under the GPL is public domain. My guess is they are going to argue since the copyright holders aren't "enforcing" their rights then there are no rights to "enforce" - it is publically available and the no one cares what you do with it, it is public domain. So SCO may try a two point attack 1) the GPL itself is invalid and 2) the copyrights underlying it aren't being actively enforced therefore 3) it is public domain. (NOTE: I do not agree with this, this is just what I think one of their arguments are going to be).
Just like that college in California that has to shut down the shortcut through its campus every couple years to make sure they don't lose their property, copyrights are only good if someone is "actively trying to enforce them" - when you find a violation you must act. The history of the FSF/GPL community working with GPL violators to bring them in line is going to be the major counter argument (such as the recent work with Linksys to make sure they release the Linux they use). Other people who have worked on an individual basis to bring GPL violators to task would be helpful for the GPL case also.
-antim
NOTE: IANAL, TIJMV (this is just my view)
Agreed. Heck, I know I waste enough time on a computer myself. :D
Diversity costs more because people aren't exposed to diversity. I know my lack of diversity in OSes has slowed my migration down to another platform.
I used to think like you until someone said they tried to learn one new programming language a year. Why? Because different programming languages have different concepts, strengths, and weaknesses. It's like a toolchest, a hammer, a saw, a screwdriver. The more you know what tool to use for what job, the better off you are.
As for training students to use it, the first thing schools need to train kids in (before they ever sit in front of a computer) is logic. Logic is useful outside the computer lab.
Personally, I feel kid shouldn't be in front of a computer at school unless they are learning computer concepts, and in that case there should be as many different operating systems available as possible (multiple flavors of linux, multiple flavors of bsd, windows, mac, maybe even Plan9, BeOS, and some RTOS). The only other place computers may have a place in school would be in the library for research (for the kids who don't have internet connection at home).
Still, it is more important to teach kids logic than "computers" and alot the kids I know don't even have that - even if they do know how to use a mouse. Teach kids to think for themselves and when you do teach them computers, give them a diverse set to evaluate and come up with their own opinions (instead of forcing down their throat the "one true way").
Ok, rant mode off. hehe
Here's a link to guidelines to living off the grid. The most notable quote:
I remember a story of a Californian who decided to live "off the grid", using alternative energy (solar power I believe). His kids got teased at school... until everyone's house in the neighborhood lost power - except his.
Considering the Na+ is necessary for nerve function, and I think salt is much maligned. Other than it is added to too many things in most people's diet, it is necessary for life... and if I was in ancient times I'd rather be paid in salt than have to drink the Spartan's "black broth" (animal blood mixed with vinegar -yuck).
One wonders what this will do to the South African economy, where De Beers has some large mines. Still, I prefer taking the wind out of this artificial scarcity. Now if only the oil alternatives were more economically viable (Euphorbia lagascae, et cetera)...
-am
In some form this has just happened. Europe's VAT just went into effect on the subscriptions of the European players of "The Sims Online".
-antimuon
A mouse with bi-scroller disorder!
-antim
It's not about education and the kids for the administrators, its about the dollars. There are teachers that care, and some admins do too, but they are the minority. Personally, I feel that you got to teach yourself to think critically and educate yourself. -antim
This Vultus "technology" sounds like the IE version of XUL with RPC. I personally like XWT or another member of the XUL Alliance better, thanks anyway.
-antim