Re:Pffft .... Commander Keen
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Yeah. Thanks for the link. Ah man. Back then nobody cared about killer graphics (probably cause there weren't any killer graphics... but still). I think everyone should play them at least one. Those legacy games have become part of video game history, but also legend. And they're still possibly some of the best games on the market.
Hurry! Patent the idea! You might still be able to beat Microsoft!
Re:Pffft .... Commander Keen
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I found a copy not to long back. It was at some kind of abandonware web site. They had full copies of Commander Keen, Win 1.0, Win 3.1, etc... Can't seem to find the URL, though.
Oh, do you remember Skyroads? I spent so many wonderful hours playing all those games. Especially skyroads and commander keen... (Remembering childhood....)
The joy in those games could put most of todays games to shame. Oh, and do you remember... Jill... somethin or other...
So if they do remove the millions of lines of offending code, then that would leave us with at least -300,000 lines of code than we started with. Maybe this could be used to create an infinite storage capacity for a hard drive. Start making code take up negative amounts of space. The more you have, the more you've got.
Are you completely stupid? He never did anything illegal concerning the email system. He never actually did the exploit. He just knew how it could be done.
Oh, and please, let me fix your comparision...
He told the car manufacturer that the locks don't actually work. After they didn't correct the problem, he phoned all of the people who had bought cars from this manufacturer. Telling them how to pick their lock.
Yes, this problem was dangerous whether anyone knew it existed or not.
When the X-Ray was discovered, people didn't know that it could hurt them, but that didn't stop it from doing so.
Eventually someone would have discovered the problem. They would have either a) Told the company and then gotten the cold shoulder.
b) Read emails from every last account, collecting blackmail material for eons on end.
I didn't see where it said that he stole the address or that he had an exploit script available.
I also wonder why someone called an Anonymous Coward Insightful when I don't believe they read the article.
The article didn't mention stealing addresses.
The article didn't mention an exploit script.
If you're reading another article, please post the link. If not please quote some of your information for us.
If you don't wanna be thrown in jail, don't be a criminal.
Used to knowledge was legal to do anything with. Then they copywrote methods.
Then they copywrote algorithms.
Then it became illegal to tell how to copy protection.
Then you can't tell it can be done.
Why even have a security audit if you don't intend on correcting any problems? Do they really expect a balding man with thick glasses to walk in and tell them that their system could be a model for a perfect infrastructure?
Didn't tornado violate the "Computer Fraud and Abuse Act". Since they deleted the emails that "that guy" sent to the customers didn't they "intentionally cause any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information without authorization"? Reading or destroying email that isn't yours is against the law isn't it?
If he'd been motivated only by the good of the customer, he would have sent the email while on the job.
No, I think the article said that six months after he got another job he realized that the hole was still there. He did it after he had given them ample time.
Also, he could have just warned folks without publishing exploit details.
I gotta agree with you on this detail. It would have done a great deal for his case.
One person hurting another isn't funny no matter the person, setting, gender, age or ethnic group. What it comes down to is that we are all human, and that none deserves to be senselessly hurt. Whether they did something wrong or not, it is still cruel. Is it okay for someone to get hurt if they haven't done anything wrong? So why should it be okay if someone has? We gotta grow up. Realize that even criminals are people.
They neglected to fix the problem. Instead of posting to CERT or Bugtraq, where it would most likely be seen only by people who had no association with his old company, he told people who were affected by the problem. The true idiots are the people who neglected the problem.
And this is different than telling how people could gain access as root through slashcode. This would be more comprable to Slashdot advertising secure posting and moderation and then neglecting to fix a bug that would let people easily log on as someone else and post to their journal.
The applicable language in the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act make it a crime to "knowingly cause the transmission of information and as a result of such conduct, intentionally cause any impairment to the integrity or availability of data, a program, a system, or information without authorization."
integrity - 1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
No, if the vulnerability existed, I don't see how there could have been any integrity in the first place.
Also, I'm no lawyer, didn't they give up the ability to prosecute when they found out a problem existed, but did not may any attempt to correct it? Didn't he do the same thing as reporting neglect?
How many UNIX/Linux viruses have there been again? Was it 3 or 5?
Do you realize how tempting it is to mention SCO, once again? I know ya hate to hear it, but I think SCO qualifies.
Virus -
a) Finds a weak spot in the system (OS)
b) Exploits the system
c) Can try to do great damange to the OS
SCO -
a) Fines a weak spot in the system (SysAdmins of small companies)
b) Exploits the system(called the Government)
c) Attempts to do great damage to the OS
Well lets see. The article says that windowsupdate doesn't always work. Says it told people that their computers had already been updated, when it obviously hadn't been.
A few months back, I was one of the lucky ones. I updated my PC and found out all my network functionality quit. Oh joy, oh joy. This update caused me several hours of anger.
The truth of it is, we must choose the lesser of two evils. a) Update the box possibly letting terrors in. b) Don't update the box possibly letting terrors in.
Would it be possible to do something like get a blank CDR, scratch it up with a brillo pad and then have software that would try and read from point A to point B even though there were no files? All the scratchs would render parts of the CD unreflective. The same as seeing a stream of 0s. The part that was not scratched would still be reflective, making it a 1. Cheap, extremely portable, and the chances of doing it the exact same way twice are almost NULL.
The terms will be quite reasonable until Microsoft gains a large user base. Remember an article a little while back about the WMP9 EULA? The one that says you agree to download any new updates? I believe they will use this to create strict DRM. I believe every 5th time the song would be played it contacts Microsoft.com. Every time it burns it would contact Mircosoft.com. Yeah, I think that's what will happen. Or something like that.
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Yeah. Thanks for the link. Ah man. Back then nobody cared about killer graphics (probably cause there weren't any killer graphics... but still). I think everyone should play them at least one. Those legacy games have become part of video game history, but also legend. And they're still possibly some of the best games on the market.
Cool. Where do we sign up.
Hurry! Patent the idea! You might still be able to beat Microsoft!
Oh, do you remember Skyroads? I spent so many wonderful hours playing all those games. Especially skyroads and commander keen...
(Remembering childhood....)
The joy in those games could put most of todays games to shame. Oh, and do you remember ... Jill ... somethin or other...
Oh well.
The more you have, the more you've got.
SCO Engineer 1: Hmmmmm...... RedHat has these 8 lines of offending code!
SCO Engineer 2: Hmmmmm...... Mandrake has another 8 lines of offending code!
SCO Engineer 3: Hmmmmm...... Look Caldera Linux has these 8 lines of code!.... Oh, wait... That's us....
SCO Engineer 2: That's 24 lines of infringing code.
Oh, and please, let me fix your comparision...
He told the car manufacturer that the locks don't actually work. After they didn't correct the problem, he phoned all of the people who had bought cars from this manufacturer. Telling them how to pick their lock.
Yes, this problem was dangerous whether anyone knew it existed or not.
When the X-Ray was discovered, people didn't know that it could hurt them, but that didn't stop it from doing so.
Eventually someone would have discovered the problem. They would have either
a) Told the company and then gotten the cold shoulder.
b) Read emails from every last account, collecting blackmail material for eons on end.
I also wonder why someone called an Anonymous Coward Insightful when I don't believe they read the article.
The article didn't mention stealing addresses.
The article didn't mention an exploit script.
If you're reading another article, please post the link.
If not please quote some of your information for us.
Used to knowledge was legal to do anything with.
Then they copywrote methods.
Then they copywrote algorithms.
Then it became illegal to tell how to copy protection.
Then you can't tell it can be done.
No, I think the article said that six months after he got another job he realized that the hole was still there. He did it after he had given them ample time.
Also, he could have just warned folks without publishing exploit details.
I gotta agree with you on this detail. It would have done a great deal for his case.
And this is different than telling how people could gain access as root through slashcode. This would be more comprable to Slashdot advertising secure posting and moderation and then neglecting to fix a bug that would let people easily log on as someone else and post to their journal.
integrity -
1. Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code.
2. The state of being unimpaired; soundness.
3. The quality or condition of being whole or undivided; completeness.
No, if the vulnerability existed, I don't see how there could have been any integrity in the first place.
Also, I'm no lawyer, didn't they give up the ability to prosecute when they found out a problem existed, but did not may any attempt to correct it? Didn't he do the same thing as reporting neglect?
Do you realize how tempting it is to mention SCO, once again? I know ya hate to hear it, but I think SCO qualifies.
Virus -
a) Finds a weak spot in the system (OS)
b) Exploits the system
c) Can try to do great damange to the OS
SCO -
a) Fines a weak spot in the system (SysAdmins of small companies)
b) Exploits the system(called the Government)
c) Attempts to do great damage to the OS
A few months back, I was one of the lucky ones. I updated my PC and found out all my network functionality quit. Oh joy, oh joy. This update caused me several hours of anger.
The truth of it is, we must choose the lesser of two evils.
a) Update the box possibly letting terrors in.
b) Don't update the box possibly letting terrors in.
A catch 22, eh?
If I really wanted to screw my computer up I'd just start using Windows again.
It was j? Dang. Somebody needs to tell my math teacher. She went through the whole semester telling us i.
Would it be possible to do something like get a blank CDR, scratch it up with a brillo pad and then have software that would try and read from point A to point B even though there were no files? All the scratchs would render parts of the CD unreflective. The same as seeing a stream of 0s. The part that was not scratched would still be reflective, making it a 1. Cheap, extremely portable, and the chances of doing it the exact same way twice are almost NULL.
When you're done, just microwave the CD-R.
If you want a real number....
72
The terms will be quite reasonable until Microsoft gains a large user base. Remember an article a little while back about the WMP9 EULA? The one that says you agree to download any new updates? I believe they will use this to create strict DRM. I believe every 5th time the song would be played it contacts Microsoft.com. Every time it burns it would contact Mircosoft.com. Yeah, I think that's what will happen. Or something like that.
North America, South America, Asia, Europe, Africa, Antartica, Australia.
So is Canada part of Asia? Or Africa? Or South America?....