I don't know how Microsoft says but if they do have some system requirements on the box I guess it would cover lots of PCs with components for which Vista don't have built in drivers. Though I guess it's still able to boot on them even with some components not working.
Apple don't have to say that OS X runs on all PCs though, they can say that you should check the HCL to see if your PC/components is supported or not.
What say they should try to compete with Windows? Apple as is makes money. Similar as with Nintendo, why should they try to compete in the HD-area when they still makes the most profit?
OS X on generic PCs of supported hardware would still be more copies running than OS X on no generic PCs.
Well, if it become reality the consumer would had looked for that "OS X ready"-sticker, would had been able to choose OS X as an option when they bought the Vaio (or could have checked Apples webpage if any Vaios ran OS X.)
So no biggie.
Also most SSE3 and up Intel laptops already run OS X with the hacked version.
HD4850 is just as good or better than the 8800 GTS/9800 GT, HD4870 is even better and of course HD4870X2 will own all.
Sure a 8800 GT is ok, and will probably run all the latest games, and do the majority of them ok on the 20" 1680x1050 iMac.
But that don't mean that the newer one isn't any faster, so Apple is still somewhat behind, and for some kind of übergamer that will still be important since they can't get the latest stuff in the Apple machine.
Also on a 24" iMac, or if you could really afford a Mac Pro + said 8800 GT card you are very likely to have a better LCD than a 20", more like 24" or 30", and at native resolution at those the newest game would NOT run perfect at all the highest settings on the 8800 GT.
(Also in my opinion if you can afford to spend 2000+ dollar on a Mac Pro and want to play games it seems reasonable to spend more than 110 dollar for a graphics card.)
But then there is so few games for OS X since Apple don't care about them so it's not a huge show stopper for them (though for some of their could have been future costumers.)
But Lenovo, LG and Sony and such have premium small laptops as well, I would take an X61 or whatever it's called over the air in case both ran OS X.
But as I reason if you really need an ultra portable notebook the new netbooks is a much better choice, over here they cost 1/5 as much, are rather close in performance except CPU, are more portable and you don't have to be that afraid of somehow killing it since it's rather cheap.
But there is no problem with that, just don't buy something which don't have OS X drivers?
Not that I don't really see the issue, OS X got pretty wide support for nvidia and ati gpus and integrated intel graphics and I guess the only reason support for the latest cards is missing is because Apple haven't used them yet.
Keyboard, mouses, webcams, scanners and printers would be the same just as it is already. Most of them work with OS X, on a mac or not.
OS X have poor support for PCI sound cards and similar, so just make sure to get a supported firewire one, not that hard, now or then.
Hopefully the phone is completely open and you can replace the browser with something else if you want to? I don't see why not.
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Except knowing Apple they'd ask for an insane price for the benefits of having that sticker on your box or part of the profit since soooo many mac users would buy their cards, of which the OEM would say fuck that and things would remain as they is. =P
For half the price and same specs I'd for sure take the chinese box:)
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... Or just sell they card at market price and not at some remarkable markup.
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If I had my 10 mod points I would have wanted to give you them all.
Wtf is up with the special mac graphic cards for real macs when hacks run BIOS cards? If the EFI connection in the OS is so loose can't they somehow make it possible to just use regular video cards? Or just skip EFI totally since it's not like they have released lots of EFI cards anyway and the world don't seem to move on to EFI just yet anyway.
Geforce 8800 GT 512MB Mac Pro upgrade kit: $279.00
Same card for a PC on newegg: $110.99
(Not to forget it's a shitty card anyway compared to some other options, but those aren't options even on a hack since all cards isn't supported anyway. Though I guess it can't be hard for Apple to get support for HD3000- and HD4000-series if they wanted to as well.)
And what would force Apple to support OS X on the MSI wind and all other x86 hardware in the world just because they sold the OS?
Pretty shitty country you live in if companies can be forced to support whatever hardware you happen to have. I'd like to live in that country if they same would be true for software though: "So, I've bought warhammer and I want to play it on my leenucks machine."
Also in the world I live the hardware vendors is responsible for drivers, not the OS vendors. If MSI wants OS X on the machine they'd better get drivers for the sound part as well.
(I know that's not what you mean, in any case it's easy to get a PC without paying Microsoft as well, if nothing else just buy the parts.)
No need to blame the OS for any such issues if they said what hardware is supported, if you use unsupported parts then you got no one else to blame than yourself.
I'm not sure if would be such a huge success though, I have a mac now but it's not that awesome. FreeBSD + KDE works for me if only there was some commercial apps to. But anyway, most people want the applications they are used to, their friends use, their school and work use. And they want to be able to play games.
So gamers wouldn't want it, my sister wouldn't want it, the people who are pro open software wouldn't want it...
Personally I think an Apple-branded shuttle-like system with motherboard, PSU, case, software and eventually keyboard and mouse with a list of supported CPUs, memory, graphic cards, burners, firewire soundcards, webcams and os on would be just fine.
Apple still knows the things work, Apple can still get paid for their software, people can put in the stuff they want (some people wouldn't be happy with the case I guess but whatever.) And as long as you buy the supported hardware things works.
Personally I don't really see the problem with the 10" Intel Atom ones? Decent CPU, almost ok resolution, and so on.
I don't like the "oh let's make it like the Macbook Air except in plastic"-designs though. I'd rather take something sharp and boxy in metal over that.
Anyway, no, I don't have any good ideas. Aslong as it's Atom I'm happy.
I don't think you can setup for instance iDisk to just use any ftp-server.
Well, my digital camera is from 2004 but still one 4 mpx image takes 2.5 MB and since additional photos are virtually free I often take 3-20 images of the same thing just to see which one looks better.
In 320x120 which I use most for video 256 MB card holds 13 minutes, but only 4.75 minutes in 640x480 15 fps. So I have a hard time to use that for my purpose with the memory card I have. Anyway at that amount space gets used up pretty quickly.
(But then again a DV-tape holds several GB don't it?)
... not to forget Vimeo/youtube, flickr/picasa/.., Google apps,... offers this kind of functionality for free.
Yet another reason to hate Apple, good idea, poorly and not fully implemented. It could be so awesome if they let you roll your own server for it or if it was free and you had lots of space.
At least since 10.4 it asks if you want to setup.mac after installation I believe.
Yeah, but the applications is retarded and don't just use plain ftp and store the data in some directories or such, so you can't just choose "upload my calendar to web server."
There is someone who wrote a guide for how to setup your own ".mac" with apache in FreeBSD but I'd expect it to be outdated and not everything will probably work.
But yes, I already have 100 mbps download and 10 mbps upload, disk space is cheap, I'd rather roll my own 1.3 TB iDisk/photo album/video hosting/... than theirs 20 GB.
How many videos can you upload on 20 GB anyway? Even the average persons digital camera photo album can't be uploaded in full.
But then of course I do understand most/many people pirate their games. But well, I didn't let them complain about how expensive gaming was when it comes to the graphic card for obvious reasons. Hard to try to make someone who wants everything for free happy.
But if one is a real gamer and buy games tens of dollars for the hardware required to play them don't sound like such a big deal.
A normal new game cost what? $50? More maybe? Things like warhammer and such is subscription based. If you really do spend some time playing games which would require a half-decent card how can you NOT afford $70?
13 months of warhammer over here would cost $300, it's not worth it to pay $70 for decent graphics in the game then?
Warcraft III have scaled very well, I could play it on my GF2 Pro in low 800x600 or something such (and it would lag in tower defence or maybe when there was lots of casters) and now I have a 8800m GT and play in OS X so I still have to run it at medium 1280x1024 or something such to make sure it don't get to slow in bigger fights. In Windows I could probably run it at high and 1440x900.
I expect starcraft 2 to be similar, so if you want 1920x1200 with everything at high and be able to handle 200 units fights maybe you need something quite good.
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I don't know how Microsoft says but if they do have some system requirements on the box I guess it would cover lots of PCs with components for which Vista don't have built in drivers. Though I guess it's still able to boot on them even with some components not working.
Apple don't have to say that OS X runs on all PCs though, they can say that you should check the HCL to see if your PC/components is supported or not.
What say they should try to compete with Windows? Apple as is makes money. Similar as with Nintendo, why should they try to compete in the HD-area when they still makes the most profit?
OS X on generic PCs of supported hardware would still be more copies running than OS X on no generic PCs.
Well, if it become reality the consumer would had looked for that "OS X ready"-sticker, would had been able to choose OS X as an option when they bought the Vaio (or could have checked Apples webpage if any Vaios ran OS X.)
So no biggie.
Also most SSE3 and up Intel laptops already run OS X with the hacked version.
HD4850 is just as good or better than the 8800 GTS/9800 GT, HD4870 is even better and of course HD4870X2 will own all.
Sure a 8800 GT is ok, and will probably run all the latest games, and do the majority of them ok on the 20" 1680x1050 iMac.
But that don't mean that the newer one isn't any faster, so Apple is still somewhat behind, and for some kind of übergamer that will still be important since they can't get the latest stuff in the Apple machine.
Also on a 24" iMac, or if you could really afford a Mac Pro + said 8800 GT card you are very likely to have a better LCD than a 20", more like 24" or 30", and at native resolution at those the newest game would NOT run perfect at all the highest settings on the 8800 GT.
(Also in my opinion if you can afford to spend 2000+ dollar on a Mac Pro and want to play games it seems reasonable to spend more than 110 dollar for a graphics card.)
But then there is so few games for OS X since Apple don't care about them so it's not a huge show stopper for them (though for some of their could have been future costumers.)
But Lenovo, LG and Sony and such have premium small laptops as well, I would take an X61 or whatever it's called over the air in case both ran OS X.
But as I reason if you really need an ultra portable notebook the new netbooks is a much better choice, over here they cost 1/5 as much, are rather close in performance except CPU, are more portable and you don't have to be that afraid of somehow killing it since it's rather cheap.
But there is no problem with that, just don't buy something which don't have OS X drivers?
Not that I don't really see the issue, OS X got pretty wide support for nvidia and ati gpus and integrated intel graphics and I guess the only reason support for the latest cards is missing is because Apple haven't used them yet.
Keyboard, mouses, webcams, scanners and printers would be the same just as it is already. Most of them work with OS X, on a mac or not.
OS X have poor support for PCI sound cards and similar, so just make sure to get a supported firewire one, not that hard, now or then.
Lots of dvd-burners work with OS X.
Hopefully the phone is completely open and you can replace the browser with something else if you want to? I don't see why not.
Except knowing Apple they'd ask for an insane price for the benefits of having that sticker on your box or part of the profit since soooo many mac users would buy their cards, of which the OEM would say fuck that and things would remain as they is. =P
For half the price and same specs I'd for sure take the chinese box :)
... Or just sell they card at market price and not at some remarkable markup.
If I had my 10 mod points I would have wanted to give you them all.
Wtf is up with the special mac graphic cards for real macs when hacks run BIOS cards? If the EFI connection in the OS is so loose can't they somehow make it possible to just use regular video cards? Or just skip EFI totally since it's not like they have released lots of EFI cards anyway and the world don't seem to move on to EFI just yet anyway.
Geforce 8800 GT 512MB Mac Pro upgrade kit: $279.00
Same card for a PC on newegg: $110.99
(Not to forget it's a shitty card anyway compared to some other options, but those aren't options even on a hack since all cards isn't supported anyway. Though I guess it can't be hard for Apple to get support for HD3000- and HD4000-series if they wanted to as well.)
And what would force Apple to support OS X on the MSI wind and all other x86 hardware in the world just because they sold the OS?
Pretty shitty country you live in if companies can be forced to support whatever hardware you happen to have. I'd like to live in that country if they same would be true for software though: "So, I've bought warhammer and I want to play it on my leenucks machine."
Also in the world I live the hardware vendors is responsible for drivers, not the OS vendors. If MSI wants OS X on the machine they'd better get drivers for the sound part as well.
Yeah, because the Apple tax is much better ..
(I know that's not what you mean, in any case it's easy to get a PC without paying Microsoft as well, if nothing else just buy the parts.)
No need to blame the OS for any such issues if they said what hardware is supported, if you use unsupported parts then you got no one else to blame than yourself.
I'm not sure if would be such a huge success though, I have a mac now but it's not that awesome. FreeBSD + KDE works for me if only there was some commercial apps to.
But anyway, most people want the applications they are used to, their friends use, their school and work use. And they want to be able to play games.
So gamers wouldn't want it, my sister wouldn't want it, the people who are pro open software wouldn't want it...
Personally I think an Apple-branded shuttle-like system with motherboard, PSU, case, software and eventually keyboard and mouse with a list of supported CPUs, memory, graphic cards, burners, firewire soundcards, webcams and os on would be just fine.
Apple still knows the things work, Apple can still get paid for their software, people can put in the stuff they want (some people wouldn't be happy with the case I guess but whatever.)
And as long as you buy the supported hardware things works.
What is a decent video card? I guess something integrated? Because kind of even those are overkill vs 256MB ram.
If it was all about the brand.
Personally I don't really see the problem with the 10" Intel Atom ones? Decent CPU, almost ok resolution, and so on.
I don't like the "oh let's make it like the Macbook Air except in plastic"-designs though. I'd rather take something sharp and boxy in metal over that.
Anyway, no, I don't have any good ideas. Aslong as it's Atom I'm happy.
And 2008 is the year of the Linux third world notebook / Linux desktop for children!?!
Maybe because more shoots don't give better results as often with firearms :D
What you want is good exposure ;/
the iLife applications.
I don't think you can setup for instance iDisk to just use any ftp-server.
Well, my digital camera is from 2004 but still one 4 mpx image takes 2.5 MB and since additional photos are virtually free I often take 3-20 images of the same thing just to see which one looks better.
In 320x120 which I use most for video 256 MB card holds 13 minutes, but only 4.75 minutes in 640x480 15 fps. So I have a hard time to use that for my purpose with the memory card I have. Anyway at that amount space gets used up pretty quickly.
(But then again a DV-tape holds several GB don't it?)
... not to forget Vimeo/youtube, flickr/picasa/.., Google apps, ... offers this kind of functionality for free.
Yet another reason to hate Apple, good idea, poorly and not fully implemented. It could be so awesome if they let you roll your own server for it or if it was free and you had lots of space.
At least since 10.4 it asks if you want to setup .mac after installation I believe.
Yeah, but the applications is retarded and don't just use plain ftp and store the data in some directories or such, so you can't just choose "upload my calendar to web server."
There is someone who wrote a guide for how to setup your own ".mac" with apache in FreeBSD but I'd expect it to be outdated and not everything will probably work.
But yes, I already have 100 mbps download and 10 mbps upload, disk space is cheap, I'd rather roll my own 1.3 TB iDisk/photo album/video hosting/... than theirs 20 GB.
How many videos can you upload on 20 GB anyway? Even the average persons digital camera photo album can't be uploaded in full.
But then of course I do understand most/many people pirate their games. But well, I didn't let them complain about how expensive gaming was when it comes to the graphic card for obvious reasons. Hard to try to make someone who wants everything for free happy.
But if one is a real gamer and buy games tens of dollars for the hardware required to play them don't sound like such a big deal.
No, I don't use it for much, occasional workout videos on youtube.
Of course scaling and moving things along paths and such would take much more time to setup.
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Yes, thanks.
I've noticed something said MobileMe in my finder after 10.5.5 upgrade, didn't knew what it was.
I have a Core 2 Duo Santa Rosa 2.2 GHz.
So uhm, well, I don't know how that ads up with your experience.
And I don't play DotA (though I've joined a few games of it.)
Anyway, at prices like this just get a decent graphics card? Doesn't matter so much if it's 30 $ more or not I guess.
(I wonder if one could take a very powerful PSU, split the cables and connect all say four motherboards, and so on ? =P
Some cards have built in graphics like the HD3200 or similar.
You get 3 month I belive, but I won't set it up and start using it just to not be able to update it later on, useless.
With 2 GB of vram low bus bandwidth isn't as much of a factor as it was back when you had 4 or 8 MB ...
A normal new game cost what? $50? More maybe? Things like warhammer and such is subscription based. If you really do spend some time playing games which would require a half-decent card how can you NOT afford $70?
13 months of warhammer over here would cost $300, it's not worth it to pay $70 for decent graphics in the game then?
Warcraft III have scaled very well, I could play it on my GF2 Pro in low 800x600 or something such (and it would lag in tower defence or maybe when there was lots of casters) and now I have a 8800m GT and play in OS X so I still have to run it at medium 1280x1024 or something such to make sure it don't get to slow in bigger fights. In Windows I could probably run it at high and 1440x900.
I expect starcraft 2 to be similar, so if you want 1920x1200 with everything at high and be able to handle 200 units fights maybe you need something quite good.