See my reply to the previous poster to your question Here. Personally, I've been very pleased using both RHEL and FC as servers for business and at home. If you'll be using this for critical stuff though go with RHEL and get the support if you can. Your list of requirements though isn't much and Fedora easily covers it all. My rule of thumb is usually: If its a profitable server, go with RHEL, otherwise go with FC. Regards, Steve
Its important to note however that the 6-12 month reinstall cycle doesnt include a full format. Going from FC1 to FC2 certainly caused some minor problems for some folks, but since then I've seen very few complaints about being able to upgrade through yum and/or just inserting the CDs and updating. So in that regards its not too much different then a Service Pack in Windows world, except its a really really effective and useful service pack:) Also, Fedora legacy will support it for 1.5 years at a minimum and possibly more if the community sees interest in it. I'm looking really foward to this release, seems to have a ton of potential (although Core 5 seems like its going to be the big release of this year once Fedora Extras gets all figured out) Regards, Steve
AOL is often criticized for being overly aggressive against spam. If your IP sends spam to AOL users and 200 of them complain, your blocked. Aol also checks the spam score and time interval between outgoing emails as well and will quickly shut down your account and let you know that someone has stolen access to it. AOL does not mess around with spam, or viruses for that matter. They are one of the largest ISPs, and thank god they do what they do cause it seems everyother ISP is too scared to step on toes. If every ISP acted how AOL did, spam would be nearly nonexistant. Regards, Steve
Just a few quick notes... alot of java and swt can be compiled fine with gcj now a days thanks to the hard working engineers at Red Hat. Also, Eclipse has pretty extensive support for C++ and its improving greatly. But my main point has to be, being dependant on a gui for developing is horrific and cripples many programmers. There is nothing that you can't do with Vim and GCC that you can't do with vs.net. You may be thinking, well what about gui interfaces.... gui's designed on the command line after properly being designed on graphing paper almost always turn out to be far more consistent and better then those made with graphical tools. Even Mozilla prototypes interfaces using nothing but ascii art. Graphical tools are okay for prototyping but for anything serious, you ought to be spending 95% of your time at the command line. Even the developers of MS Office dont use gui tools to design the interface... they just aren't very extensible otherwise. In addition, living with the command line allows you to be very efficient and never have to take your hands off the keyboard, its quite nice. Another perk of programming on the commandline is that no matter what platform you may be developing on, you'll always feel right at home. If your only target is MS Windows I guess thats not an issue. Regards, Steve
I think if you boot the install passing it reiserfs, you can use reiserfs. Reiserfs is a great file system, but it is no where near as complete and stable as ext3 is. I use Resierfs on personal servers, but on anything critical its ext3 simply because I have seen reiserfs do some funky things to fielsystems (not to say that ext3 is perfect). It gets better and better and almost to the point that I'd recommend using it in enterprise, but Red Hat is making the right choice by leaving it out by default. They do afterall do more kernel hacking then any other entity, I think they'd know;) Regards, Steve
Seriously, check out Red Hat. I havent used Sun's product extensively, but I have used Novell's a good deal and I can honest to god tell you that Red Hat is the better choice. Read this post for someone else's view on it. If price is a concern, you'll hear alot of FUD about Red Hat being more pricey. The truth is its not, and the proof is in the pudding. You'll notice that both companies offerings are very similar in cost per year and that in some cases one company will slightly beat out the other, but in other cases roles reverse. After using the management utilities Red Hat offers as compared to Novell, I could never see myself going back to Novell regardless of cost, the price savings is just a nice side effect:) Regards, Steve
Mod parent up. Every word is true, and Red Hat is more involved with the kernel then any other entity so why wouldnt you choose the company that is most familiar with it? In addition to that, they do most of the work in Gnome as well (hell they even host gnome's website), so everything usually just seems to click together. I am very pleased with Red Hat and after trying the competition, I see why they are the market leader. Regards, Steve
Mod parent up. Seriously if Red Hat wasnt such a popular name my company would have never gone with them and we'd probably still be running a pure MS network. Name brand means a lot. The one area I disagree with the parent psoster though, Red Hat support has been astounding and they actually really do cover things and surprisingly seem to care. Their support is up there with Veritas, who probably has the best in the industry. Regards, Steve
Err... Red Hat has had this for something like over 5 or 6 years. Need to install something on 60,000 desktops? No problem, just click go. Need it customized per user, per their profile or groups that they belong to, also not a problem. This and many other reasons are why enterprises almost always go with Red Hat, especially after you take in to consideration the support and licensing costs of other distros, i.e. Novell (The same level of support will typically cost you just as much, but in some cases can be up to 5 times as great).For those who think I'm trolling, please see Novell's pricelist for the SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 costs per year. Regards, Steve
Yea my first though as I looked over at the box sitting next to me was "Hmm, RHEL seems to handle everything he wants just fine, this guy must be a troll." The reason I immediately thought this was simply because in order to not mention Red Hat in an eterprise linux discussion, you really really have to purposely try and avoid them. If the guy really wanted the best tool for the best job he wouldn't have singled out just those two distros, as a result I'm not going to give him my oppinion (although I think I just did) Regards, Steve
There is no problem to fix. Its a java applet that tries to install something rather then an activex thing. If anything its Sun's fault, but in reality its noones fault because you are given a very clear security warning and you still must click yes. The media is trying to turn this into something against firefox, when really its just that any browser capable of supporting common plugins is "vulnerable". Teach users to stop clicking yes! I'm really starting to think that the only way for people to start reading these things is to have a little "test" where you are presented with 4 sentences, all somehwat similar, and you must select the one that is in the text that you were supposed to read. Regards, Steve
I guarantee taking a picture of your reaction, someone else's reaction, or something funny in regards to all or most slashdot stories would make your blog very popular. You'd probably start seeing links to it all over comments and in signatures if you do it right and it truly is funny. Throw up some google adwords on it and you might be able to make a buck or two as well. Regards, Steve
I meant the desktop as implemented in windows 95, i.e. with a main window with a background and a start bar and you place common programs and files on this main screen. The start bar also "tracks" your windows. Think Gnome, KDE or Windows. IBM first drew up and implemented this philosophy in OS/2. Regards, Steve
The whole idea of a desktop was first brought to mainstream by IBM. Microsoft illegaly backed out of the contract, stole the ideas, and implemented them in Windows 95. Give credit where credit is due. And actually the desktop model is great for nearly everything humans do and has a nice correlation to the physical world. Of course the typical slashdotter would have no idea. Only 5% of developers' needs and wants in a gui overlap with an average person. Regards, Steve
This is for home networking. You have to plug your computer in, you might as well have a second cable wrapped up in the power cord to connect you to your network as well. Its cheap, just works, and you dont have to worry about neighbors cracking your WEP key and using your connection. Regards, Steve
I've used this nero product. Not to bash Nero, they make reallt good burning software for windows, but K3b has always imho been the best burning software out there for any platform, and my oppinion remains the same after trying out the nero software on linux. K3b is such a high quality piece of software... its a joy to use. Although its definitly great to see software makers targeting linux now. I can only assume that this will be packaged with Xandros/Red Hat or Suse soon. Most likely Xandros, Red Hat and Suse seem to both have burning stuff down pretty well and Xandros is known for giving its distro a "proprietary advantage" with bundling proprietary software. (No, I'm not saying others don't do this, but Xandros seems to make it a major selling point) Regards, Steve
Your certainly entitled to your oppinion, but I'm very pleased with Gnome. I love the interface and the usability. They have a very good HIG and stick by it. Its the most usable interface I've *ever* used. Even greater then the acclaimed OS X. It is light years ahead of KDE and actually focuses on functionality (KDE focuses on features, resulting in ugly interfaces regardless of the theme, as well as a bunch of half usable utilities). This is my oppinion of course, which we are all entitled to. I want the Gnome dev process to stay exactly the same, you want it to change. So lets just let them do what comes natural to them because no matter what some will hate it and some will like it and they shouldnt be responsible for choosing one group over another. Regards, Steve
maybe i misunderstood the article but it seems to me that its 2.5 kW using 84 boards (168 processors), so per board its only like 29 Watts. Regards, Steve
Err... have you ever used one? I have on running right now for some 200 days or so streaming audio and video. Its only 800 mhz but performs amazingly well. I can use it for just about everything i need and it was only like $150 iirc. How can you beat that? Regards, Steve
It'd certainly be good and use low power, but its anything but cheap. These guys go for $850 in bulk and $1800 in single units. Although the power savings may be worth it... itd take quite some time. Regards, Steve
Not everything can be blamed on the US. Most governments want laws like this. They usually don't have the balls to say so and the U.S. is a nice big target for justification. If they really didnt want then it would have never been implemented. Regards, Steve
Err... I've spent alot of time with users and analyzing how to use their computers. WinXP had the worst learning curve out of all windows releases. Win2000 seems to consistently win out. Also, after users learn WinXP's UI, they still remain highly inefficient in what they do. This extends from the operating system to the Office Suite as well. Interestingly enough, OS X has the least intuitive interface (albeit the highest level of eye candy) yet after learning it, users have a higher level of functionality and ease of use as compared to WinXP. Linux desktops, while requring the highest learning curve and sometimes(depending upon the distribution) theme tweaking to be pleasant on the eyes, almost always result in the user becoming most efficient and capable of utilizing the most functionality (the two kind of go hand in hand). I think thats typical of OSS, developers throw in tons of really great ideas and other things, but often don't know how to properly implement it in an interface. Gnome is really doing quite a job of making the linux desktop experience easy for users of all needs from novices to advanced. (That is not to say anything bad of KDE, its just Gnome focuses more on a strict HIG). Of course the desktop in general is only halfway near the level it should be at and hopefully this will all be fixed within a few years. Regards, Steve
Err... My university required me to take just about all those courses that you mentioned, not too mention a hell of alot more math courses, tons of physics from newtonian and quantum, to astrophyics, not to mention chemistry and biology all with labs. Don't underestimate a CS degree, just underestimate the school. The requirements for anything vary greatly from school to school, I just happened to choose one that challenged me, but taught me more then ever imaginable. Regards, Steve
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See my reply to the previous poster to your question Here. Personally, I've been very pleased using both RHEL and FC as servers for business and at home. If you'll be using this for critical stuff though go with RHEL and get the support if you can. Your list of requirements though isn't much and Fedora easily covers it all. My rule of thumb is usually: If its a profitable server, go with RHEL, otherwise go with FC.
Regards,
Steve
Its important to note however that the 6-12 month reinstall cycle doesnt include a full format. Going from FC1 to FC2 certainly caused some minor problems for some folks, but since then I've seen very few complaints about being able to upgrade through yum and/or just inserting the CDs and updating. So in that regards its not too much different then a Service Pack in Windows world, except its a really really effective and useful service pack:) Also, Fedora legacy will support it for 1.5 years at a minimum and possibly more if the community sees interest in it. I'm looking really foward to this release, seems to have a ton of potential (although Core 5 seems like its going to be the big release of this year once Fedora Extras gets all figured out)
Regards,
Steve
AOL is often criticized for being overly aggressive against spam. If your IP sends spam to AOL users and 200 of them complain, your blocked. Aol also checks the spam score and time interval between outgoing emails as well and will quickly shut down your account and let you know that someone has stolen access to it. AOL does not mess around with spam, or viruses for that matter. They are one of the largest ISPs, and thank god they do what they do cause it seems everyother ISP is too scared to step on toes. If every ISP acted how AOL did, spam would be nearly nonexistant.
Regards,
Steve
Just a few quick notes... alot of java and swt can be compiled fine with gcj now a days thanks to the hard working engineers at Red Hat. Also, Eclipse has pretty extensive support for C++ and its improving greatly. But my main point has to be, being dependant on a gui for developing is horrific and cripples many programmers. There is nothing that you can't do with Vim and GCC that you can't do with vs.net. You may be thinking, well what about gui interfaces.... gui's designed on the command line after properly being designed on graphing paper almost always turn out to be far more consistent and better then those made with graphical tools. Even Mozilla prototypes interfaces using nothing but ascii art. Graphical tools are okay for prototyping but for anything serious, you ought to be spending 95% of your time at the command line. Even the developers of MS Office dont use gui tools to design the interface... they just aren't very extensible otherwise. In addition, living with the command line allows you to be very efficient and never have to take your hands off the keyboard, its quite nice. Another perk of programming on the commandline is that no matter what platform you may be developing on, you'll always feel right at home. If your only target is MS Windows I guess thats not an issue.
Regards,
Steve
I think if you boot the install passing it reiserfs, you can use reiserfs. Reiserfs is a great file system, but it is no where near as complete and stable as ext3 is. I use Resierfs on personal servers, but on anything critical its ext3 simply because I have seen reiserfs do some funky things to fielsystems (not to say that ext3 is perfect). It gets better and better and almost to the point that I'd recommend using it in enterprise, but Red Hat is making the right choice by leaving it out by default. They do afterall do more kernel hacking then any other entity, I think they'd know ;)
Regards,
Steve
Seriously, check out Red Hat. I havent used Sun's product extensively, but I have used Novell's a good deal and I can honest to god tell you that Red Hat is the better choice. Read this post for someone else's view on it. If price is a concern, you'll hear alot of FUD about Red Hat being more pricey. The truth is its not, and the proof is in the pudding. You'll notice that both companies offerings are very similar in cost per year and that in some cases one company will slightly beat out the other, but in other cases roles reverse. After using the management utilities Red Hat offers as compared to Novell, I could never see myself going back to Novell regardless of cost, the price savings is just a nice side effect:)
Regards,
Steve
P.S. In case you don't know Red Hat's prices.
Mod parent up. Every word is true, and Red Hat is more involved with the kernel then any other entity so why wouldnt you choose the company that is most familiar with it? In addition to that, they do most of the work in Gnome as well (hell they even host gnome's website), so everything usually just seems to click together. I am very pleased with Red Hat and after trying the competition, I see why they are the market leader.
Regards,
Steve
Mod parent up. Seriously if Red Hat wasnt such a popular name my company would have never gone with them and we'd probably still be running a pure MS network. Name brand means a lot. The one area I disagree with the parent psoster though, Red Hat support has been astounding and they actually really do cover things and surprisingly seem to care. Their support is up there with Veritas, who probably has the best in the industry.
Regards,
Steve
Err... Red Hat has had this for something like over 5 or 6 years. Need to install something on 60,000 desktops? No problem, just click go. Need it customized per user, per their profile or groups that they belong to, also not a problem. This and many other reasons are why enterprises almost always go with Red Hat, especially after you take in to consideration the support and licensing costs of other distros, i.e. Novell (The same level of support will typically cost you just as much, but in some cases can be up to 5 times as great).For those who think I'm trolling, please see Novell's pricelist for the SUSE LINUX Enterprise Server 9 costs per year.
Regards,
Steve
Yea my first though as I looked over at the box sitting next to me was "Hmm, RHEL seems to handle everything he wants just fine, this guy must be a troll." The reason I immediately thought this was simply because in order to not mention Red Hat in an eterprise linux discussion, you really really have to purposely try and avoid them. If the guy really wanted the best tool for the best job he wouldn't have singled out just those two distros, as a result I'm not going to give him my oppinion (although I think I just did)
Regards,
Steve
There is no problem to fix. Its a java applet that tries to install something rather then an activex thing. If anything its Sun's fault, but in reality its noones fault because you are given a very clear security warning and you still must click yes. The media is trying to turn this into something against firefox, when really its just that any browser capable of supporting common plugins is "vulnerable". Teach users to stop clicking yes! I'm really starting to think that the only way for people to start reading these things is to have a little "test" where you are presented with 4 sentences, all somehwat similar, and you must select the one that is in the text that you were supposed to read.
Regards,
Steve
I guarantee taking a picture of your reaction, someone else's reaction, or something funny in regards to all or most slashdot stories would make your blog very popular. You'd probably start seeing links to it all over comments and in signatures if you do it right and it truly is funny. Throw up some google adwords on it and you might be able to make a buck or two as well.
Regards,
Steve
I meant the desktop as implemented in windows 95, i.e. with a main window with a background and a start bar and you place common programs and files on this main screen. The start bar also "tracks" your windows. Think Gnome, KDE or Windows. IBM first drew up and implemented this philosophy in OS/2.
Regards,
Steve
The whole idea of a desktop was first brought to mainstream by IBM. Microsoft illegaly backed out of the contract, stole the ideas, and implemented them in Windows 95. Give credit where credit is due. And actually the desktop model is great for nearly everything humans do and has a nice correlation to the physical world. Of course the typical slashdotter would have no idea. Only 5% of developers' needs and wants in a gui overlap with an average person.
Regards,
Steve
This is for home networking. You have to plug your computer in, you might as well have a second cable wrapped up in the power cord to connect you to your network as well. Its cheap, just works, and you dont have to worry about neighbors cracking your WEP key and using your connection.
Regards,
Steve
I've used this nero product. Not to bash Nero, they make reallt good burning software for windows, but K3b has always imho been the best burning software out there for any platform, and my oppinion remains the same after trying out the nero software on linux. K3b is such a high quality piece of software... its a joy to use. Although its definitly great to see software makers targeting linux now. I can only assume that this will be packaged with Xandros/Red Hat or Suse soon. Most likely Xandros, Red Hat and Suse seem to both have burning stuff down pretty well and Xandros is known for giving its distro a "proprietary advantage" with bundling proprietary software. (No, I'm not saying others don't do this, but Xandros seems to make it a major selling point)
Regards,
Steve
Simple solution: http://silcnet.org/
Regards,
Steve
Your certainly entitled to your oppinion, but I'm very pleased with Gnome. I love the interface and the usability. They have a very good HIG and stick by it. Its the most usable interface I've *ever* used. Even greater then the acclaimed OS X. It is light years ahead of KDE and actually focuses on functionality (KDE focuses on features, resulting in ugly interfaces regardless of the theme, as well as a bunch of half usable utilities). This is my oppinion of course, which we are all entitled to. I want the Gnome dev process to stay exactly the same, you want it to change. So lets just let them do what comes natural to them because no matter what some will hate it and some will like it and they shouldnt be responsible for choosing one group over another.
Regards,
Steve
maybe i misunderstood the article but it seems to me that its 2.5 kW using 84 boards (168 processors), so per board its only like 29 Watts.
Regards,
Steve
Err... have you ever used one? I have on running right now for some 200 days or so streaming audio and video. Its only 800 mhz but performs amazingly well. I can use it for just about everything i need and it was only like $150 iirc. How can you beat that?
Regards,
Steve
It'd certainly be good and use low power, but its anything but cheap. These guys go for $850 in bulk and $1800 in single units. Although the power savings may be worth it... itd take quite some time.
Regards,
Steve
Not everything can be blamed on the US. Most governments want laws like this. They usually don't have the balls to say so and the U.S. is a nice big target for justification. If they really didnt want then it would have never been implemented.
Regards,
Steve
Err... I've spent alot of time with users and analyzing how to use their computers. WinXP had the worst learning curve out of all windows releases. Win2000 seems to consistently win out. Also, after users learn WinXP's UI, they still remain highly inefficient in what they do. This extends from the operating system to the Office Suite as well. Interestingly enough, OS X has the least intuitive interface (albeit the highest level of eye candy) yet after learning it, users have a higher level of functionality and ease of use as compared to WinXP. Linux desktops, while requring the highest learning curve and sometimes(depending upon the distribution) theme tweaking to be pleasant on the eyes, almost always result in the user becoming most efficient and capable of utilizing the most functionality (the two kind of go hand in hand). I think thats typical of OSS, developers throw in tons of really great ideas and other things, but often don't know how to properly implement it in an interface. Gnome is really doing quite a job of making the linux desktop experience easy for users of all needs from novices to advanced. (That is not to say anything bad of KDE, its just Gnome focuses more on a strict HIG). Of course the desktop in general is only halfway near the level it should be at and hopefully this will all be fixed within a few years.
Regards,
Steve
No, but I've seen the searches. Search Google for "search" and Google isn't listed until the 8th entry.
Regards,
Steve
Err... My university required me to take just about all those courses that you mentioned, not too mention a hell of alot more math courses, tons of physics from newtonian and quantum, to astrophyics, not to mention chemistry and biology all with labs. Don't underestimate a CS degree, just underestimate the school. The requirements for anything vary greatly from school to school, I just happened to choose one that challenged me, but taught me more then ever imaginable.
Regards,
Steve