Some people like everything and the kitchen sink. Its nice to sit down at a computer and have *everything* you need to just be there so you can get right to work and not have to worry about *anything*. It all just works. Also just installing everything makes installing other 3rd party stuff (like small little utilities that noone has heard about) later that may not be in any yum repositories much easier because you most like have everything that it depends on. Regardless, if your running a server you can always do the FC3 server install and you can have a fully functional server with lots of nice goodies and the added security of SELinux in less space then a cd can hold (Probably much less in cases where you only need to do one thing like run a web server). I've run many many distros over the years, including FreeBSD, and Fedora Core 3 has gone above and beyond my expectations, it is truly impressive and the best I've seen. Plus its so damn fast and responsive, Red Hat has out done itself. Regards, Steve
SElinux? Kernel 2.6.9? Improved Wireless utilities? A ton of other things including a professional and consistent feel despite the desktop environment being used? Fedora got there better;) Regards, Steve
Yes they stopped selling it... they give it away for free now, nothing has changed except that the community is more involved now. Same RedHat engineers still work on Fedora. It just wasn't cost efficient for Red Hat to sell and support the linux desktop in its current state. In a year or two, they may reevaluate that decision. The community kept complaining about how their desktop wasn't as free as it could be and how the community wasn't involved enough. Red Hat said, "Okay fine, here is everything we have, help us out if you want. We won't even charge you for it anymore, but we'll still keep the same quality people programming it. That way you get everything you've been asking for." Luckily, Fedora has a huge following and it was largely successful, although if you only read slashdot you might think otherwise. Then again if you only read slahdot, you'd think 50% of the world ran Gentoo and that is was perfectly viable for large corporations to run Debian depsite the fact that it is company policy to have all software supported.
On a side note, have you ever tried the Java Desktop System? Sun tried their hardest to cover up any and every aspect that what your running was linux with a gnome desktop environment. All they want people to think is hey this is Java and this is Sun. They tried to hide anyone else getting credit for what you're using. (That may have changed since last I tried it, but highly unlikely) Sun doesn't give a damn about linux, they just want to make money. Red Hat on the other hand open sources just about everything and the people that work there are honestly enthusiastic about Linux. Yes they are both corporations and out for profit, but Red Hat goes about it in a much better and more subtle way. Red Hat will always be dependant on the community and they know this, so they try to play well with the other kids on the block, Sun on the other hand will take anything they can get the second they can get it. They just see a market shift and are taking advantage of it. Regards, Steve
Red Hat. They've done a hell of alot more for Gnome in every regard including usability guidelines. Gnome 2.8 is an excellent product, its the first time I'm using gnome over kde. But don't go giving Sun too much credit, check the change log sometime, you'll see lots of red hat. Regards, Steve
All of the big commercial distros (the ones consumers and businesses will/are using) are based on Red Hat. Red Hat is pretty good with standards, so itd be safe to say that if a standard is in order companies and developers are more likely to go with Red Hat. It is safer (or at least appears to be from a business perspective) because its backed by a corporation, and its already what most commercial distros are based around. Game developers etc... are going to listen to where the money is. If someone refuses to pay for a linux distro, they most likely (yes this is stereotypical of me) won't buy other software, so why should a software developer dependant on making money from software, market it to a base that typically doesn't buy software? I'm not trolling/flaming/etc... just trying to be realistic. Regards, Steve
Lets not get too pushy yet... its barely been a century since we've been able to reliably produce *any* kind of electricity at will. All of the sudden we are expected to be able to provide ourselves with essentially infinite energy? Lets not rush these things so we can keep our planet in one piece, okay?:) I mean I'm all about fusion and the day we can use it for a source of energy I'm all for it... but I don't think people realize how much that requires and people definitly don't realize how far we've come in only 100 years. Yea I know, this trend should keep getting faster at an exponential rate (perfect example being the human genome project), but still... man has done some amazing things here, lets try to live to enjoy it. Regards, Steve
Anyone with a brain strips html tags (or any tags for that matter) first before doing text searches. You bypassing the forum's filter is simply because the coder was lazy. In php, this can be done in one lineIn perl its nearly just as easy. Regards, Steve
Nothing is slow about it! Ignore the moron:) You guys are doing an awesome job and it's much appreciated. Please keep up the great work. I think the grandparent underestimates the challenge at hand. The fact that you guys are making the progress that you have seems amazing. Regards, Steve
omg! That is awesome! I seriously nearly crapped myself. Google and Firefox are in the same url at the same time and it actually takes you to a valid site! What can get any better? Wow, I've never felt more like a geek but *that* is awesome. I think I might not even go on campus today, stay home and celebrate. Regards, Steve
Repeat after me... just because the application window is small doesn't mean that the program size should be small. Skype is packed full of tons of features, and it also has to be able to decompress/compress on the fly. 10 MB isn't that bad, it probably could be smaller, but it isn't that bad, hell at the rate harddrives are going now its barely 9/10 of a penny of harddrive space. Regards, Steve
Unfortunately I can't find the link to back this up, but yes apparently wireless in Fedora has had a few improvements. Although to be honest it wasn't that bad in FC2. I think most of the improvements now came over with Gnome 2.8 which really did a great job with their networking stuff this time around. Also 2.6.9 supports more hardware then ever before, and has pretty good performance. I'd check it out if I were you, its worth it. (If you do decide to check it out, make sure you read up on SELinux too, its a preety awesome feature) Regards, Steve
Your statement is interesting from a psychological view point as any Intro to Psych student could tell you. Anyway your probably oppressing something that happened to you as a child, maybe your father touched you or took pictures of you that you would like to forget about. Anyway... you most likely are the homosexual simply because you are randomly accusing others of being one, your trying to make yourself feel better about your homesexual tendencies and justify it to yourself. Regardless, your ignorance is shown in your response by the fact that BitTorrent would very well be just as good at mirroring screenshots as well. I don't believe I ever specified ISO's. But then again you seem to be so distressed, which is seen through your excessive use of unnecessary and violent language, that any logic probably wouldn't make sense to you. Anyway... Say it with me, "Rick and Roll was touched by his father as a child, and when he's not crying to himself, he's taking out his anger on the world." Regards, Steve
Wow that is the truest statement I've ever heard except oh wait... replace all instances of Redhat and Fedora Core with Suse and all instance of Suse with Fedora Core. Here I'll do it for you:
Suse is like a normal Car. A four door family sedan. Fedora Core is a sports car inside a family sedan. Fedora Core also has nicer kernels. Suse Kernels are just...
Ahh now *that* is the truest statement I've ever heard. Afterall Suse seems to be lacking SELinux (that simply *just works* in Fedora) oh yea and Fedora also has that nice new shiny 2.6.9 kernel that works extremely well with my laptop. Seems Suse is lacking a bit there too, oh yea... and iirc Suse is still stuck on Gnome 2.6, they need to get with the times, they are eating Fedora's dust they are moving so slow. Not to mention that YaST is the work of Satan and I couldn't even get Suse to boot on my laptop (it kept freezing when syslogd was being started and wouldn't go any further) I have yet to experience any problems with Fedora and thats why I'll continute to use it. Regards, Steve
Heh no contest, try Fedora Core 3. It goes under much more extensive testing, has a nice development cycle. It has a gigantic community and every major open source project releases rpms for Fedora. Not to mention everything *just works*, runs fast and the desktop if very well integrated and looks nice. Give FC3 a shot, it is by far the best release yet. Regards, Steve
They have a release schedule and try to stick to it as strictly as possible. 6 months ago they had no say in when Firefox 1.0 final would be released. FC3 was originally slated for November 3rd, got pushed back because the devs had some minor bugs to wipe out. Anyway... this is a great week for FOSS, and now you have time to d/l FC3 install it and upgrade to Firefox 1.0 tomorrow and then party on Wednesday:) Regards, Steve
Pretty much any company that releases both consumer and business software uses the consumer software to test the waters and once it seems okay they make the fixes and sell it to businesses along with 5 year contracts. Thats just business, get over it. At least Red Hat isn't ripping off the consumer, the Fedora development model isn't too much different then it was with the RH desktop distro... but the community kept complaining that it wasn't free and Red Hat made very little money (something like 3 million dollars) from its desktop version so they released it to the community as Fedora. Now the consumer gets probably the highest quality linux distribution avaialable, along with a huge supporting community. I use Fedora because it is stable, but has the latest and greatest. It is the only distro that runs on my laptop, and it is the only distro that I have been able to reliably install on just about any machine. If you haven't had the pleasure of using it, I would suggest you do so. Regards, Steve
It means that the SGI announcement was of theoretical performance. In theory it is the fastest machine on earth... they are in the process of verifying that with tests right now. Once its proven you'll see the title taken by SGI again. Then the Earth Simulator will be 3rd on the list. Regards, steve
Fedora will update itself automagically. As for the other projects... well how often do you see OOo releasing security patches? Anyone interested in bugzilla or slashcode should be knowledgable enough to know how to handle updates. Regards, Steve
It should be officially released on the 8th, it goes out to mirrors tomorrow. Its going to be pretty ground breaking as far as any of the linux distros go. It'll have Gnome 2.8, the 2.6.9 kernel with SELinux support. The newest KDE, the new xorg server with xdamage and xcomposite extensions allowing true shadowing and transparency. And a ton of other nice features, too many to note here. Judging from the tests, this release is going to be the best one yet. Regards, Steve
You moron... that happens with every country whenver there is a war. There are obviously going to be some small groups of soliders who would like to get back at the cowards also known as terrorists, despite that it goes against orders. The terrorists are running around capturing innocent people and beheading them, how ridiculous is that? The people that were abused (although some may not have been guilty, many were shown to be involved) deserved every ounce of it. They should have gotten treated worse. Anyway... practices like this are nothing new, in fact what happened here is much better. In previous wars, it was typically a symbol of honor to cut off some part of an enemy that you killed or tortured and wear it or keep it like a trophy. And both sides routinely did that. Regards, Steve
You might want to check out Fedora Core 3 when it comes out on the 8th. Although SuSE is a nice linux distro, I find that people are more likely to understand Fedora and be able to use more of its functionality. Don't ask me why heh, its just what I've observed. Also, it's a very secure operating system, super easy to set up, very easy update system (a little icon sits in your system tray and starts blinking with a big exclamation point if updates are available) or you can use yum or apt, FC3 is going to have SELinux compiled into it so you can learn about that and test it out. FC3 is also going to have kernel 2.6.9 and Gnome 2.8 so it should be fast, easy to use, and work well with most hardware. But most important(and this is operating system neutral), only run as root when you absolutely have to! You have no idea how important that is, and if you don't follow that rule then just forget about any other security measures. If you are hacked and you know that you haven't ran as root for a very long time and are positive you weren't root when you got hacked, then all you really have to do is create a new user, delete the infected user (copy over some important *data* files first if you must), and life is good again. This is assuming that you haven't made your system or important system files writable to non root users. When you first install a system (if its not done already) its probably best to make everything read only, except for your home directory. With SELinux you can even get hacked and know exactly what was affected and be confident that nothing else was, its very nice and worth reading about. Regards, Steve
I can guarantee you that linux users still buy computers with windows. I know at my university campus that just about everyone running linux converted a windows PC, whether it is an old pc or a new one. There are just more choices to choose from. If you say I want a computer with no OS, it just adds unneccessary hassle to the whole process. I just bought a windows laptop and put Fedora on it within the first day. I'd say that linux market share is about twice if not more then that of Mac. Regards, Steve
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Some people like everything and the kitchen sink. Its nice to sit down at a computer and have *everything* you need to just be there so you can get right to work and not have to worry about *anything*. It all just works. Also just installing everything makes installing other 3rd party stuff (like small little utilities that noone has heard about) later that may not be in any yum repositories much easier because you most like have everything that it depends on. Regardless, if your running a server you can always do the FC3 server install and you can have a fully functional server with lots of nice goodies and the added security of SELinux in less space then a cd can hold (Probably much less in cases where you only need to do one thing like run a web server). I've run many many distros over the years, including FreeBSD, and Fedora Core 3 has gone above and beyond my expectations, it is truly impressive and the best I've seen. Plus its so damn fast and responsive, Red Hat has out done itself.
Regards,
Steve
SElinux? Kernel 2.6.9? Improved Wireless utilities? A ton of other things including a professional and consistent feel despite the desktop environment being used? Fedora got there better;)
Regards,
Steve
At least he's rtfa :)
Yes they stopped selling it... they give it away for free now, nothing has changed except that the community is more involved now. Same RedHat engineers still work on Fedora. It just wasn't cost efficient for Red Hat to sell and support the linux desktop in its current state. In a year or two, they may reevaluate that decision. The community kept complaining about how their desktop wasn't as free as it could be and how the community wasn't involved enough. Red Hat said, "Okay fine, here is everything we have, help us out if you want. We won't even charge you for it anymore, but we'll still keep the same quality people programming it. That way you get everything you've been asking for." Luckily, Fedora has a huge following and it was largely successful, although if you only read slashdot you might think otherwise. Then again if you only read slahdot, you'd think 50% of the world ran Gentoo and that is was perfectly viable for large corporations to run Debian depsite the fact that it is company policy to have all software supported.
On a side note, have you ever tried the Java Desktop System? Sun tried their hardest to cover up any and every aspect that what your running was linux with a gnome desktop environment. All they want people to think is hey this is Java and this is Sun. They tried to hide anyone else getting credit for what you're using. (That may have changed since last I tried it, but highly unlikely) Sun doesn't give a damn about linux, they just want to make money. Red Hat on the other hand open sources just about everything and the people that work there are honestly enthusiastic about Linux. Yes they are both corporations and out for profit, but Red Hat goes about it in a much better and more subtle way. Red Hat will always be dependant on the community and they know this, so they try to play well with the other kids on the block, Sun on the other hand will take anything they can get the second they can get it. They just see a market shift and are taking advantage of it.
Regards,
Steve
Red Hat. They've done a hell of alot more for Gnome in every regard including usability guidelines. Gnome 2.8 is an excellent product, its the first time I'm using gnome over kde. But don't go giving Sun too much credit, check the change log sometime, you'll see lots of red hat.
Regards,
Steve
All of the big commercial distros (the ones consumers and businesses will/are using) are based on Red Hat. Red Hat is pretty good with standards, so itd be safe to say that if a standard is in order companies and developers are more likely to go with Red Hat. It is safer (or at least appears to be from a business perspective) because its backed by a corporation, and its already what most commercial distros are based around. Game developers etc... are going to listen to where the money is. If someone refuses to pay for a linux distro, they most likely (yes this is stereotypical of me) won't buy other software, so why should a software developer dependant on making money from software, market it to a base that typically doesn't buy software? I'm not trolling/flaming/etc... just trying to be realistic.
Regards,
Steve
Lets not get too pushy yet... its barely been a century since we've been able to reliably produce *any* kind of electricity at will. All of the sudden we are expected to be able to provide ourselves with essentially infinite energy? Lets not rush these things so we can keep our planet in one piece, okay? :) I mean I'm all about fusion and the day we can use it for a source of energy I'm all for it... but I don't think people realize how much that requires and people definitly don't realize how far we've come in only 100 years. Yea I know, this trend should keep getting faster at an exponential rate (perfect example being the human genome project), but still... man has done some amazing things here, lets try to live to enjoy it.
Regards,
Steve
Anyone with a brain strips html tags (or any tags for that matter) first before doing text searches. You bypassing the forum's filter is simply because the coder was lazy. In php, this can be done in one lineIn perl its nearly just as easy.
Regards,
Steve
Nothing is slow about it! Ignore the moron :) You guys are doing an awesome job and it's much appreciated. Please keep up the great work. I think the grandparent underestimates the challenge at hand. The fact that you guys are making the progress that you have seems amazing.
Regards,
Steve
omg! That is awesome! I seriously nearly crapped myself. Google and Firefox are in the same url at the same time and it actually takes you to a valid site! What can get any better? Wow, I've never felt more like a geek but *that* is awesome. I think I might not even go on campus today, stay home and celebrate.
Regards,
Steve
Repeat after me... just because the application window is small doesn't mean that the program size should be small. Skype is packed full of tons of features, and it also has to be able to decompress/compress on the fly. 10 MB isn't that bad, it probably could be smaller, but it isn't that bad, hell at the rate harddrives are going now its barely 9/10 of a penny of harddrive space.
Regards,
Steve
Unfortunately I can't find the link to back this up, but yes apparently wireless in Fedora has had a few improvements. Although to be honest it wasn't that bad in FC2. I think most of the improvements now came over with Gnome 2.8 which really did a great job with their networking stuff this time around. Also 2.6.9 supports more hardware then ever before, and has pretty good performance. I'd check it out if I were you, its worth it. (If you do decide to check it out, make sure you read up on SELinux too, its a preety awesome feature)
Regards,
Steve
Your statement is interesting from a psychological view point as any Intro to Psych student could tell you. Anyway your probably oppressing something that happened to you as a child, maybe your father touched you or took pictures of you that you would like to forget about. Anyway... you most likely are the homosexual simply because you are randomly accusing others of being one, your trying to make yourself feel better about your homesexual tendencies and justify it to yourself. Regardless, your ignorance is shown in your response by the fact that BitTorrent would very well be just as good at mirroring screenshots as well. I don't believe I ever specified ISO's. But then again you seem to be so distressed, which is seen through your excessive use of unnecessary and violent language, that any logic probably wouldn't make sense to you. Anyway... Say it with me, "Rick and Roll was touched by his father as a child, and when he's not crying to himself, he's taking out his anger on the world."
Regards,
Steve
Wow that is the truest statement I've ever heard except oh wait... replace all instances of Redhat and Fedora Core with Suse and all instance of Suse with Fedora Core. Here I'll do it for you:
...
Suse is like a normal Car. A four door family sedan. Fedora Core is a sports car inside a family sedan. Fedora Core also has nicer kernels. Suse Kernels are just
Ahh now *that* is the truest statement I've ever heard. Afterall Suse seems to be lacking SELinux (that simply *just works* in Fedora) oh yea and Fedora also has that nice new shiny 2.6.9 kernel that works extremely well with my laptop. Seems Suse is lacking a bit there too, oh yea... and iirc Suse is still stuck on Gnome 2.6, they need to get with the times, they are eating Fedora's dust they are moving so slow. Not to mention that YaST is the work of Satan and I couldn't even get Suse to boot on my laptop (it kept freezing when syslogd was being started and wouldn't go any further) I have yet to experience any problems with Fedora and thats why I'll continute to use it.
Regards,
Steve
Heh no contest, try Fedora Core 3. It goes under much more extensive testing, has a nice development cycle. It has a gigantic community and every major open source project releases rpms for Fedora. Not to mention everything *just works*, runs fast and the desktop if very well integrated and looks nice. Give FC3 a shot, it is by far the best release yet.
Regards,
Steve
They have a release schedule and try to stick to it as strictly as possible. 6 months ago they had no say in when Firefox 1.0 final would be released. FC3 was originally slated for November 3rd, got pushed back because the devs had some minor bugs to wipe out. Anyway... this is a great week for FOSS, and now you have time to d/l FC3 install it and upgrade to Firefox 1.0 tomorrow and then party on Wednesday :)
Regards,
Steve
BitTorrent, the world is your mirror.
Regards,
Steve
Pretty much any company that releases both consumer and business software uses the consumer software to test the waters and once it seems okay they make the fixes and sell it to businesses along with 5 year contracts. Thats just business, get over it. At least Red Hat isn't ripping off the consumer, the Fedora development model isn't too much different then it was with the RH desktop distro... but the community kept complaining that it wasn't free and Red Hat made very little money (something like 3 million dollars) from its desktop version so they released it to the community as Fedora. Now the consumer gets probably the highest quality linux distribution avaialable, along with a huge supporting community. I use Fedora because it is stable, but has the latest and greatest. It is the only distro that runs on my laptop, and it is the only distro that I have been able to reliably install on just about any machine. If you haven't had the pleasure of using it, I would suggest you do so.
Regards,
Steve
It means that the SGI announcement was of theoretical performance. In theory it is the fastest machine on earth... they are in the process of verifying that with tests right now. Once its proven you'll see the title taken by SGI again. Then the Earth Simulator will be 3rd on the list.
Regards,
steve
Fedora will update itself automagically. As for the other projects... well how often do you see OOo releasing security patches? Anyone interested in bugzilla or slashcode should be knowledgable enough to know how to handle updates.
Regards,
Steve
It should be officially released on the 8th, it goes out to mirrors tomorrow. Its going to be pretty ground breaking as far as any of the linux distros go. It'll have Gnome 2.8, the 2.6.9 kernel with SELinux support. The newest KDE, the new xorg server with xdamage and xcomposite extensions allowing true shadowing and transparency. And a ton of other nice features, too many to note here. Judging from the tests, this release is going to be the best one yet.
Regards,
Steve
Apparently half of America disagrees with you.
-Steve
Disclaimer: I'm American
You moron... that happens with every country whenver there is a war. There are obviously going to be some small groups of soliders who would like to get back at the cowards also known as terrorists, despite that it goes against orders. The terrorists are running around capturing innocent people and beheading them, how ridiculous is that? The people that were abused (although some may not have been guilty, many were shown to be involved) deserved every ounce of it. They should have gotten treated worse. Anyway... practices like this are nothing new, in fact what happened here is much better. In previous wars, it was typically a symbol of honor to cut off some part of an enemy that you killed or tortured and wear it or keep it like a trophy. And both sides routinely did that.
Regards,
Steve
You might want to check out Fedora Core 3 when it comes out on the 8th. Although SuSE is a nice linux distro, I find that people are more likely to understand Fedora and be able to use more of its functionality. Don't ask me why heh, its just what I've observed. Also, it's a very secure operating system, super easy to set up, very easy update system (a little icon sits in your system tray and starts blinking with a big exclamation point if updates are available) or you can use yum or apt, FC3 is going to have SELinux compiled into it so you can learn about that and test it out. FC3 is also going to have kernel 2.6.9 and Gnome 2.8 so it should be fast, easy to use, and work well with most hardware. But most important(and this is operating system neutral), only run as root when you absolutely have to! You have no idea how important that is, and if you don't follow that rule then just forget about any other security measures. If you are hacked and you know that you haven't ran as root for a very long time and are positive you weren't root when you got hacked, then all you really have to do is create a new user, delete the infected user (copy over some important *data* files first if you must), and life is good again. This is assuming that you haven't made your system or important system files writable to non root users. When you first install a system (if its not done already) its probably best to make everything read only, except for your home directory. With SELinux you can even get hacked and know exactly what was affected and be confident that nothing else was, its very nice and worth reading about.
Regards,
Steve
I can guarantee you that linux users still buy computers with windows. I know at my university campus that just about everyone running linux converted a windows PC, whether it is an old pc or a new one. There are just more choices to choose from. If you say I want a computer with no OS, it just adds unneccessary hassle to the whole process. I just bought a windows laptop and put Fedora on it within the first day. I'd say that linux market share is about twice if not more then that of Mac.
Regards,
Steve