And besides all that pure water sitting around in the universe, I suppose the GP also thinks we have all that sunlight with which to ionize the water.
Until, that is, you get out to the Oort cloud where all the water is. Then all of a sudden you need every ounce of electricity you can possibly generate just to melt the water.
So both elements needed in ionized water drive fail you exactly when you need it most.
Yeah, I'll be sure to got to prison before I post on Slashdot. That will make me an authority,
Apparently you joined the tread late, or didn't bother to read the story. The automated license plate readers and the traffic cams can't tell the difference between a legislator's plate and a personalized plate, especially at night. And when you automate a database look up, and can't tell the difference its a major fail.
Maybe we should issue duplicate Vehicle VIN numbers and maybe duplicate Driver's license numbers since you think its such a good idea.
If DC is like other places, they contract the work to the camera company. Because they are the police, they absolve themselves of any mistake the camera company makes.
Actually they should fine the DBA that allowed duplicate plate numbers into the database. What the hell was he thinking?
Since there are reserved legislative district plates, why would they allow any average citizen to select that same plate number for a vanity plate? In my state, a computer check is performed each time you try to get a vanity plate. Doesn't that seem obvious?
Now this one is something that could easily fall into Hanlon's / Heinlein's Razor but it does seem a bit like somebody really favors the politicians these days.
Even if you favor politicians, how do sneak duplicate plates bast your database software?
The way the story reads, there are two cars with the exact same plate number, 33, both on the street and in the database.
How is that even possible? Wouldn't you expect the plate number to be a unique key in the database? Or is the story just wrong?
Reread what I wrote. The idea is to de-energize the line by disconnecting it from the generators, then ground the line every X miles to prevent solar induced current in order to protect infrastructure.
And as I mentioned, the first CME happened more than three days earlier, and was already causing problems, so there was already reason to put their plan in action.
But with telegraph in its infancy, they had no plan, and no knowledge of these events. And yet a day later the Telegraph system was back to normal, with no need of repair.
Further the the first solar flare was August 28, and the big one was first noticed on September 1st. So there were in excess of 3 days warning.
The first flare also caused enough disruption that telegraph didn't work, so in the modern era we would have been preparing for that one, long before the second one started.
A situation of "No Government" can not exist, except perhaps in the plant world.
Whether its hives of ants, packs of wild animals, or bands of humans, some form of organization and regulation will come into being.
Because there is no other way on this planet. We have not evolved, and probably never will, to a state where there need never be some form of government if for no other reason than to manage infrastructure and to keep people from being at the total mercy of the biggest bully.
My point is that One World Government is a horrible idea. Alternatives are good. Being able to vote with your feet is the last refuge. But as horrible as that might be, no government is worse. Even anarchists appeal to the law when their lives are threatened.
Wow, with that kind of forward thinking you could run for Congress, or be a pundit!
Hey - I have some land on Mount St Helens that I'd like to sell - want some?
Yeah, I'll take that land. Its probably safe for another 30 thousand years.
Look, you are being unfair.
CMEs do not affect earth suddenly without warning. You get 3 to four days before the effect reaches earth.
That is plenty of time to announce and plan for 1 one day power grid shutdown. You trip every breaker in the local grid, and you can protect the local transformers as well as the residential electronics. (Most grids can do this remotely.) You need several miles (10 or 50) before the effect of the CME will induce dangerous current. Every power cord isn't going to suddenly become a lethal chunk of wire.
, the power plant and telco I worked for would have been severly affected by Y2K if nothing had been done.
The billing system would have been doomed, but power generation and call handling would have gone on just fine. Worst case would require a reboot of computerized call switching gear.
I made a significant amount of money running through code in many different data systems preparing for y2k, and my analysis indicated that the systems we dealt with would have continued to run, but results would be wrong, people wouldn't get paid, or would get paid too much, sure. But if we just waited out the month of January, most of the date checks would have started to work (at some level) again. We even ran tests on this on some systems.
Many systems were just too massive (too much data) to restructure, so we just restructured the date comparisons with a "nearby" logical comparison* routine, allowing them to continue to run there old 6 digit dates for ever. The systems won't exist at y3K, but if they did, they would work just as well then.
Nine hours was the relatively minor 1989 event. Something like the Carrington event could be much, much more damaging.
Nine hours Is about the maximum duration and the Carrington event wasn't much longer than that. Once your part of the world rotates into the dark you are shielded from most of the the CME effects. (Not all, but the most damaging high energy flow is diverted around the earth).
Further CMEs don't tend to last more than a couple days at worst. And they take 3 to 4 days to arrive, so people have time to unplug stuff, and even to de-energize and temporarily ground long transmission lines. Your local power company already knows where every manual disconnect switch is, and can have the local grid broken into small segments and de-energized in mere hours. Some of these are in cabinets in your neighborhood, and some are on power poles (long rod running to a locked lever arm near the ground).
Long un-grounded transmission lines (or similar structures, even electric fences) are the most easily effected. But anything that is grounded periodically (every few miles) is not particularly affected. Nobody thought of this in the era of telegraph, but its built into every system these days with the possible exception of highpower transmission lines.
Modern building wiring, with GFI and GFCI would probably all trip, preventing a lot of infrastructure damage, and if not, you've got 4 days to plan manual breaker tripping.
These surges won't affect big pump motors as the story suggests, because 1) you know they are coming ahead of time, 2) its easy to disconnect the pump motors from the mains, and start your local diesel generators for the duration. The disconnect switch gear and the local generators are already built into critical infrastructure. Short runs between the backup generators and the pumps would not build up any induced currents.
The story is a great deal of hyperventilating by people who don't really understand how infrastructure is built these days.
The difference of course was the BA crash had engine problems which were noticed by the flight crew and they took measures to compensate, unsuccessfully.
That engine type was not used on flight 214, there is no hint off engine trouble, and the crew didn't even realize they were in trouble until three seconds before impact.
So culture and training are still on the table as far as I can see.
If there's anything that compares at all to the QuietComforts at half the price, I'd love to hear about it!
True. That is one best products Bose makes.
I didn't say they were the best headphones, but they are plenty good enough for most listening. And they take so much background noise out you can actually hear what you are listening to. I sometimes use them just for that purpose without listening to anything.
Find me one product in any market that is not self serving. Buy a dozen eggs, the farmer not only uses the money to feed the chickens, but his own children as well as buying new shoes and maybe some beer. Its all self serving.
And your discussion of nice and nicer without reference to price is totally non-helpful.
The real problem that I see with chromebooks and the whole cloud storage issue is that the law basically says anything left un-accessed for 6months is abandoned, and fair game, and doesn't even require a warrant.
Well I was shocked when I heard that Amazon had a browser extension. I often shop Amazon, but never felt the need to install the extension. It serves no purpose.
But don't be so sure that Amazon is going to get away with it. If this is true, it could cost them millions. They are not a common carrier, and have no safe harbor.
The batteries are not likely at fault here, because the fire is at the top of the plane, not down in the lower rear compartment. This area is above the in-flight meal preparation area.
That location is above the in-flight food service area.
The batteries are located in the tail below the floor, and you notice that the door way to that area was opened, but there is no sign of smoke or fire damage there.
There is no route for flame from the battery compartment to the roof of the plane. So I'm guessing the food service equipment caught fire, and it had nothing to do with the batteries.
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And besides all that pure water sitting around in the universe, I suppose the GP also thinks we have all that sunlight with which to ionize the water.
Until, that is, you get out to the Oort cloud where all the water is. Then all of a sudden you need every ounce of electricity you can possibly generate just to melt the water.
So both elements needed in ionized water drive fail you exactly when you need it most.
Yeah, I'll be sure to got to prison before I post on Slashdot. That will make me an authority,
Apparently you joined the tread late, or didn't bother to read the story. The automated license plate readers and the traffic cams can't tell the difference between a legislator's plate and a personalized plate, especially at night. And when you automate a database look up, and can't tell the difference its a major fail.
Maybe we should issue duplicate Vehicle VIN numbers and maybe duplicate Driver's license numbers since you think its such a good idea.
Still no reason to issue that same number to a non legislator.
(why is this so hard to understand?)
If DC is like other places, they contract the work to the camera company. Because they are the police, they absolve themselves of any mistake the camera company makes.
Stupid law.
You and I should buy identical cars. I'll drive yours with impunity, and you drive mine in your usual scoff-law way. We're both golden.
Actually they should fine the DBA that allowed duplicate plate numbers into the database. What the hell was he thinking?
Since there are reserved legislative district plates, why would they allow any average citizen to select that same plate number for a vanity plate? In my state, a computer check is performed each time you try to get a vanity plate. Doesn't that seem obvious?
Now this one is something that could easily fall into Hanlon's / Heinlein's Razor but it does seem a bit like somebody really favors the politicians these days.
Even if you favor politicians, how do sneak duplicate plates bast your database software?
The way the story reads, there are two cars with the exact same plate number, 33, both on the street and in the database.
How is that even possible? Wouldn't you expect the plate number to be a unique key in the database? Or is the story just wrong?
Reread what I wrote.
The idea is to de-energize the line by disconnecting it from the generators, then ground the line every X miles to prevent solar induced current in order to protect infrastructure.
Odd you post this on the very day it was determined not to be murder at all.
allegedly. It was s long time ago.
And as I mentioned, the first CME happened more than three days earlier, and was already causing problems, so there was already reason to put their plan in action.
But with telegraph in its infancy, they had no plan, and no knowledge of these events. And yet a day later the Telegraph system was back to normal, with no need of repair.
Since you just practiced during the small one, and having history as your guide, 17 hours is plenty of time.
Like I said, there was easily 3 days of warning.
In 1859 we didn't have sun watching satellites.
Further the the first solar flare was August 28, and the big one was first noticed on September 1st.
So there were in excess of 3 days warning.
The first flare also caused enough disruption that telegraph didn't work, so in the modern era we would have been preparing for that one, long before the second one started.
But, hey, nice selective quote.
No Government = Tyranny as well.
A situation of "No Government" can not exist, except perhaps in the plant world.
Whether its hives of ants, packs of wild animals, or bands of humans, some form of organization and regulation will come into being.
Because there is no other way on this planet. We have not evolved, and probably never will, to a state where there need never be some form of government if for no other reason than to manage infrastructure and to keep people from being at the total mercy of the biggest bully.
My point is that One World Government is a horrible idea. Alternatives are good. Being able to vote with your feet is the last refuge.
But as horrible as that might be, no government is worse. Even anarchists appeal to the law when their lives are threatened.
How can an international treaty mandate freedom? The mandate itself is tyrrany.
It isn't a treaty. Its merely a resolution with no force of law.
if the state actually lived by the same rules as its subjects, there would be no state.
So, what's the down side?
-jcr
One World Government = One World Tyranny.
We are closer to that than you think.
Wow, with that kind of forward thinking you could run for Congress, or be a pundit!
Hey - I have some land on Mount St Helens that I'd like to sell - want some?
Yeah, I'll take that land. Its probably safe for another 30 thousand years.
Look, you are being unfair.
CMEs do not affect earth suddenly without warning. You get 3 to four days before the effect reaches earth.
That is plenty of time to announce and plan for 1 one day power grid shutdown. You trip every breaker in the local grid, and you can protect the local transformers as well as the residential electronics. (Most grids can do this remotely.) You need several miles (10 or 50) before the effect of the CME will induce dangerous current. Every power cord isn't going to suddenly become a lethal chunk of wire.
There is not a boogie man under your bed.
, the power plant and telco I worked for would have been severly affected by Y2K if nothing had been done.
The billing system would have been doomed, but power generation and call handling would have gone on just fine.
Worst case would require a reboot of computerized call switching gear.
I made a significant amount of money running through code in many different data systems preparing for y2k, and
my analysis indicated that the systems we dealt with would have continued to run, but results would be wrong, people wouldn't get
paid, or would get paid too much, sure. But if we just waited out the month of January, most of the date checks would
have started to work (at some level) again. We even ran tests on this on some systems.
Many systems were just too massive (too much data) to restructure, so we just restructured the date comparisons with
a "nearby" logical comparison* routine, allowing them to continue to run there old 6 digit dates for ever. The systems won't exist
at y3K, but if they did, they would work just as well then.
Nine hours was the relatively minor 1989 event. Something like the Carrington event could be much, much more damaging.
Nine hours Is about the maximum duration and the Carrington event wasn't much longer than that. Once your part of the world rotates into the dark you are shielded from most of the the CME effects. (Not all, but the most damaging high energy flow is diverted around the earth).
Further CMEs don't tend to last more than a couple days at worst. And they take 3 to 4 days to arrive, so people have time to unplug stuff, and even to de-energize and temporarily ground long transmission lines. Your local power company already knows where every manual disconnect switch is, and can have the local grid broken into small segments and de-energized in mere hours. Some of these are in cabinets in your neighborhood, and some are on power poles (long rod running to a locked lever arm near the ground).
Long un-grounded transmission lines (or similar structures, even electric fences) are the most easily effected. But anything that is grounded periodically (every few miles) is not particularly affected. Nobody thought of this in the era of telegraph, but its built into every system these days with the possible exception of highpower transmission lines.
Modern building wiring, with GFI and GFCI would probably all trip, preventing a lot of infrastructure damage, and if not, you've got 4 days to plan manual breaker tripping.
These surges won't affect big pump motors as the story suggests, because 1) you know they are coming ahead of time, 2) its easy to disconnect the pump motors from the mains, and start your local diesel generators for the duration. The disconnect switch gear and the local generators are already built into critical infrastructure. Short runs between the backup generators and the pumps would not build up any induced currents.
The story is a great deal of hyperventilating by people who don't really understand how infrastructure is built these days.
--->Society would work a lot better if we didn't have these flaws.---
There is nothing more dangerous than a man hell bent on redesigning society.
The difference of course was the BA crash had engine problems which were noticed by the flight crew and they took measures to compensate, unsuccessfully.
That engine type was not used on flight 214, there is no hint off engine trouble, and the crew didn't even realize they were in trouble until three seconds before impact.
So culture and training are still on the table as far as I can see.
If there's anything that compares at all to the QuietComforts at half the price, I'd love to hear about it!
True.
That is one best products Bose makes.
I didn't say they were the best headphones, but they are plenty good enough for most listening.
And they take so much background noise out you can actually hear what you are listening to.
I sometimes use them just for that purpose without listening to anything.
Find me one product in any market that is not self serving.
Buy a dozen eggs, the farmer not only uses the money to feed the chickens, but his own children as well as buying new shoes and maybe some beer.
Its all self serving.
And your discussion of nice and nicer without reference to price is totally non-helpful.
The real problem that I see with chromebooks and the whole cloud storage issue is that the law basically says anything left un-accessed for 6months is abandoned, and fair game, and doesn't even require a warrant.
At this point is anyone even shocked by this?
Well I was shocked when I heard that Amazon had a browser extension. I often shop Amazon, but never felt the need to install the extension. It serves no purpose.
But don't be so sure that Amazon is going to get away with it. If this is true, it could cost them millions.
They are not a common carrier, and have no safe harbor.
The battery is in the front, this fire was in the back.
What are the odds they are related?
Also boeing paid for those fixes, so cheap airline or not they would be done.
See this image, and stop posting nonsense: http://media.mcclatchydc.com/smedia/2013/01/17/00/23/XsZ5c.La.91.jpg
The batteries are not likely at fault here, because the fire is at the top of the plane, not down in the lower rear compartment.
This area is above the in-flight meal preparation area.
But there is! Scorch marks on the roof in front of the tail section.
Check it here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23295115 [bbc video feed]
That location is above the in-flight food service area.
The batteries are located in the tail below the floor, and you notice that the door way to that area was opened, but there is no sign of smoke or fire damage there.
There is no route for flame from the battery compartment to the roof of the plane.
So I'm guessing the food service equipment caught fire, and it had nothing to do with the batteries.