Remember the "egg-wave" product? Yeah, I got one as a gift, most useless thing ever.
Not that it doesn't cook eggs in the microwave, but it takes about 3 dishwasher cycles to clean afterwards, and don't even think about washing it by hand. However after taking note of the concept of eggs in a microwave, I tried a different strategy, put eggs in a bowl, yep, works just the same, and the bowl cleans up a lot easier. STUPID infomercials.
On the positive side, the George Foreman grill is a masterpiece, as many other geeks have mentioned.
Hey, I'm not trying to say that no matter what the people want all of the politicians backed by funding from large corporations are going to pass this law...OK maybe I am. But, maybe when this abuse of power and creation of "thought crime" laws becomes a worldwide phenomenon, we'll have an easier time fighting it. Then again, maybe I'm too optimistic.
This guy is right on. Motion sensors provide security without creating light polution.
At my parents' house, which borders on rural/suburban, they use motion sensor lights like the ones mentioned above, there is no doubt in my mind these things create way more security than constant floodlights. Normally the outside of the house is "dark", illuminated quite nicely by moon/starlight, and it makes it nice to look out the window and see the moon/stars and blue/black view of the world. However as soon as something moves in the focus of the motion sensors; BAM!, bright lights. Not only does this illumniate a potential intruder, as would a floodlamp, but it is much easier to notice the sudden change from darkness to light than it would be to notice someone moving stealthily even in floodlight, it's the sudden change in luminance that allows someone to act accordingly. One of the nice things we've noticed at my parents house is that we see all sorts of "wildlife", foxes, skunks, squirrels, even the occasional deer will trigger the light.
Your sig is right on, I applied for financial aid to help pay for school, when I walked in the door they told me, "you're going to have a rough time". Not only that, I'm an IST (information science/technology) major (Penn State's modernized CompSci with Business sense type major), so the few scholarships/grants that didn't say "minority", "female", "underprivileged", or "learning-impaired", screwed me over because I wasn't in the "medical field", "study of agricultural sciences" or "pursuing an undergraduate or graduate degree in liberal arts". So yeah, it's a bitch being a white middle class male, even more of a bitch being a white middle class male in a technical major.
Yeah, I got a few questions. How are you of the circumstances of an event that happened TWO THOUSAND YEARS before you were born? Which version of the hundreds-of-times-translated and rewritten bible are you using? Do you have any EVIDENCE to support your claim
I believe what you meant to say was "Here's how I think it really happened, or "Here's how the version of the bible I read says it happened. In reality there is no way that you could know how it happened, but you could have a belief or have heard how it happened.
This is one of my pet peeves, just because you believe in a religion, or a sect of a religion, or a sect of a sect of a religion, doesn't mean that you are in any way shape or form correct, and you shouldn't speak of it that way.
So, this is how I think it happened: someone needed a story to express the concept that a little guy could triumph over the big guy, so he told someone else tha story of David and Goliath, maybe he had seen a similar fight, maybe he made it up, we'll never know. A few thousand years and a few hundred translations later, the basis of the story is that it is possible form the "underdog" to take on and win vs. an overly-capable competitor, despite varying versions of the story. Really, we don't know whether this actually occured or not, or why the enemy army fled, or if there was even an army at all, what we do know is that the story has a moral, and that said moral seems to hold true today.
I disagree, even if it's a "little hack or workaround". I think it does wonders for the Linux Community. Think marketing, when you can tell a potential customer, "Yes, this will run all of your windows apps, no you don't need to go and buy new copies, yes, it's free, and more stable and secure" that's saying a lot. I made the switch from Mac to Windows in my younger years, and one of my frustrations was that I lost all the investment I had in mac software. The more "universally accepting" Linux is, the better the future. If your blood type is AB+, and you need blood, and you could either get A+ for $5 or AB+ for $100 which would you choose?
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Jeebus that stuff is off
I'm 6'0" 170 and an avid rock climber. I play ultimate daily for exercise and run if I can't play ultimate. Every ounce counts when you're hoisting it up a wall, so excess fat is a no-no. Some of the best climbers in the NE climb at my gym, and most of those guys have pretty much NO body fat, some have levels so low that doctors say it's "unhealthy", and they would be considered overweight to obese on these scales.
"Nowadays the kids are spoilt for choice with all the new metal bands. Even Metallica are going heavy again"
*Shudder*, I have not heard one "metal" band on the radio or on MTV in years. What you are referring to is what real metal fans call "Nu Metal", highly popularized, manufactured CRAP. The last real popular metal band might have been, I dunno, MAIDEN. Metal is far from gone, it's just much better and underground now. Although, maybe I should correct myself, I heard hatebreed on the radio the other day, maybe things are looking up.
Then there is DVDA - which has/will not catch on either
Oh man, what are you talkin' about, DVDA has already caught on. Besides being named after one of the best sexual positions EVER, they're genuinely musically talented.
What makes a man is it the woman in his arms....
(Note...watch the movie orgasmo, listen to the soundtrack)
For the last time, Democrats didn't turn on him because it doesn't matter politically how many mouths his dick was in, and therefore the subject should have been dropped, now, spying on the competitor, that's a different story. More importantly, I'm not a democrat and I could care less if someone lies about getting head from an intern, now if someone lies about another country having WMDs and starts a war with that lie....
Scissor paper stone? You mean paper-rock-scissors?
nutter always beats gippo...read in the rags...wtf???
I'm not normally one to pick on other languages/dialects, but god damn that's funny english. I'm not sure what a gippo is, but in the US, a "nutter" could be one of two things, and it would either beat just about everything, or suck more than just about anything.
OK, to extend your car repair comment, the dealer wanted $900 for it, the local garage wanted $300 for it, you could have done it yourself for, oh $150 probably, and an hour or two of your time.
I'm actually going somewhere with this, So you want to buy a copy of Billy Idol's "White Wedding", FYE wants $16.99 for it, iTunes wants $.99 for it, you could go on Kazaa/IRC/FTP/whatever and download it/verify it yourself for free.
Just because it's easy to do brakes doesn't mean there are no mechanics.
SOME scratches are easily fixed, and I've left CDs in my car same temps and they're fine, but if you leave one in the sun in your car, (on the dash, etc), they tend to melt, not sure what the huge difference is, but there is one, I've lost a few that way.
"What makes you think you deserve something simpley because you cannot afford it? Where I come from this is wrong. If I cannot afford something, I don't get it."
I've kidnapped your family, I want $20,000,000 for them, what makes you think you deserve them if you can't afford them? Just because something has a certain pricetag attached to it doesn't mean that pricetag is moral, right or just.
So you've got epiglottitis, fatal within 24 hours, but if you receive this antibiotic you'll survive. Unfortunately, the antibiotic costs $1,000,000 and insurance won't cover it. What makes you think you deserve it if you can't afford it?
Hey look, an orphaned child roaming the streets, why does it deserve food if it can't afford it?
The point here, just because something has a price, doesn't mean it's a just price. Moreover, just because something is legal or illegal, doesn't mean it's moral/just or immoral/unjust. Many of the issues people hold are with IP/Copyright laws, which are rather contradictory/ambiguous in this case. It's OK for me to listen to the song for free if a radio station plays it, it's also OK for me to listen to the song for free if I'm in the car with my friend and he plays it. But it's not OK for me to listen to the song for free if I make a copy of my friend's CD, which didn't cost the RIAA anything in regards to production/materials, and if I couldn't afford to buy the CD in the first place, it didn't cost the RIAA anything. Even crazier, even if the radio station has paid an extremely high amount for the CD (lets say, $200), they share it with about 100,000 people (decent radio station, metropolitan area) and they're in the clear, and the profit from it, but if I share it with just 1 person for free, I'm liable to be sued for $150,000.
"If their parents can buy them PCs they can buy them CDs". Oh yeah, which is a parent going to go for, "Mom, I need a $400 PC which can help me do research, type papers, keep in touch, and also do some fun stuff" or, "Mom, I need 20 CDs, which at $20 a CD, will cost me about the same as a computer, and uh, I can uh, listen to them". Unlike CDs which are by far overpriced, easily rendered useless (ever accidentally leave on in the sun on a hot summer day, or heaven forbid scratch one?), and single purpose, a multi-purpose computer which is pretty much a REQUIREMENT for college, (relatively) fairly priced, and pretty reliable, is going to be an easy sell for most parents of college students.
I AM a college student who has no disposable income because I'm busy paying for tuition/room&board/food/my car/my car insurance/my phone/etc. However, I still find time at night before I go to sleep to download music. And I even bought my own computers), so who's going to buy me CDs? So maybe you're right, I'm so lazy, instead of working only two jobs, I should get a third to occupy the hour of free time I have a night (and I'm not even in classes now).
People who download music are normally normal people who have found a way to acquire music without being raped up the ass for it. Apparently you prioritize buying a $20 CD right behind eating, other people might prioritize the ability to eat something other than ramen or maybe even go get a cup of coffee with a friend, go see a movie, or buy new clothes above paying $20 for a CD.
"People who download music are normally those with time on their hands, which pretty much implies they can afford to slack."
What kind of moron are you? Just because someone has time on their hands they can afford to slack. Or do you think that everyone should work exactly 16 hours a day and sleep exactly 8 hours a night 7 days a week 24 hours. Jackass.
I'm not from Minnesota, but if I was, I'd suddenly be sparked to start a massive campaigning effort for this guy.
Regardless of what side of the p2p issue you're on, you have to admit that this guy is the first Senator in a LONG time to openly investigate possible infringements on the rights of the common Joe by big business. With so many of our senators and representatives in the pockets of corporations, this man deserves the utmost respect, and if you are from Minnnesota, your vote.
Now, on to my side of the p2p battle, this is just another sign that the RIAA is eventually going to eat it for their practices. Senators hate to be wrong
You're a little off here. If a crime occurs in a convenient store and someone subpoenas the tape, there is no problem because there is no expectation of privacy, you are in a public place. However, the issue of privacy on a computer is an entirely different issue, something that has yet to be determined by the justice system. The ISPs are saying that their clients expect and deserve privacy. For example, I'm sure they will argue that if I am Joe Bagodonuts, and I am an adult and pay for access to a pornographic site, if these subpoenas are held true, anyone could subpoena the records of what websites I connected to and see that I visited a pornographic site. No one wants to reveal their surfing habits to the world, and ISPs realize this, and such, fight to protect the identities of their users. They actually have a leg to stand on because the RIAA issued subpoenas in a civil trial. If this were a criminal trial they companies would be SOL, but since the RIAA is a private entity, not a government entity, they follow the same rules as if you or I.
What the ISPs are arguing is that teh value of the information does not outweight the potential damage it may cause to the public. This is why there is doctor-patient privilege(I'm not saying ISP->customer is anything like doctor->patient), but the concept is the same. It would make prosecutions much easier if the police could just go to a doctor and request records, but since the possible misuses and abuses of this create drastic negative effects for the public, you cannot just obtain the knowledge outright. The ISPs will argue that allowing a private entity to access logs with simply a subpoena would be similar to publicly publishing the logs, and they may win on that ground.
The ISPs may also win on the technicality that the subpoena should be filed in the host state, and again, they may win, although I'm sure the RIAA will again refile the subpoena from the proper state, this increase their costs, and drive another nail in their coffin.
True, if they would sue as one giant suit it would appear more intimidating. However, the way our legal system works, there is a better chance for ALL of them if they sue separately. Remember that our judicial system is based on precedent. So if in Dickson Vs. Cockson, a footprint was shown to be proof of trespass, the same would apply in McCough vs. McHack. So the ideal strategy for all the ISPs would be to sue one by one on different(even if slightly so) strategies. The RIAA then has to have a foolproof strategy against every one of these attacks, because if they were to lose one case, the rest could call upon that precedent and the RIAA would be in deep shit.
Just to point out, someone earlier said that the communications companies don't have lobbyists or power any more, they're foolish. When all the baby bells were formed, they were of diminished lobbying power, but it's been YEARS since that happened, and now they're back in full force. Not to mention that even without lobbyists, they have a lot more money than the RIAA to donate to campaign funds, and an election is right around the corner....
I too hate Linkin Park (and Korn, Limp Bizkit, and any other nu metal band) and Slipknot, and I too listen to Nampalm Death and Morbid Angel, among other good metal(and hardcore) bands. Oddly enough, I drive a Camry.
Anyone who has done research into cars and realizes that there is a pretty much 0% chance you will need a car that can A) do 0-60 in a blink of an eye or B)Go "offroading" in your SUV (certain models excluded, I understand offroading in Jeeps, and older model Broncos and Blazers) will pretty much be drawn to two options A) Camry or B)Accord. NOT because they are marketed well, but because in NUMEROUS reviews they plain outscore the competition.
Really and truthfully, I'm not a car guy either, I just want the best value for what I'm paying for, but MORE importantly, I apply that same want for value out of music. Besides the $750 - $150,000 that the RIAA says the latest N*sync Song is worth, what is it really worth, do you feel enlightened, did you learn something, were you motivated? NO. Now, listen to Shai Hulud's "That Within Blood Ill Tempered", and tell me that it's not at least somewhat enlightening.
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...sigh, another Simpsons infidel
Remember the "egg-wave" product? Yeah, I got one as a gift, most useless thing ever.
Not that it doesn't cook eggs in the microwave, but it takes about 3 dishwasher cycles to clean afterwards, and don't even think about washing it by hand. However after taking note of the concept of eggs in a microwave, I tried a different strategy, put eggs in a bowl, yep, works just the same, and the bowl cleans up a lot easier. STUPID infomercials.
On the positive side, the George Foreman grill is a masterpiece, as many other geeks have mentioned.
Hey, I'm not trying to say that no matter what the people want all of the politicians backed by funding from large corporations are going to pass this law...OK maybe I am. But, maybe when this abuse of power and creation of "thought crime" laws becomes a worldwide phenomenon, we'll have an easier time fighting it. Then again, maybe I'm too optimistic.
This guy is right on. Motion sensors provide security without creating light polution.
At my parents' house, which borders on rural/suburban, they use motion sensor lights like the ones mentioned above, there is no doubt in my mind these things create way more security than constant floodlights. Normally the outside of the house is "dark", illuminated quite nicely by moon/starlight, and it makes it nice to look out the window and see the moon/stars and blue/black view of the world. However as soon as something moves in the focus of the motion sensors; BAM!, bright lights. Not only does this illumniate a potential intruder, as would a floodlamp, but it is much easier to notice the sudden change from darkness to light than it would be to notice someone moving stealthily even in floodlight, it's the sudden change in luminance that allows someone to act accordingly. One of the nice things we've noticed at my parents house is that we see all sorts of "wildlife", foxes, skunks, squirrels, even the occasional deer will trigger the light.
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Your sig is right on, I applied for financial aid to help pay for school, when I walked in the door they told me, "you're going to have a rough time". Not only that, I'm an IST (information science/technology) major (Penn State's modernized CompSci with Business sense type major), so the few scholarships/grants that didn't say "minority", "female", "underprivileged", or "learning-impaired", screwed me over because I wasn't in the "medical field", "study of agricultural sciences" or "pursuing an undergraduate or graduate degree in liberal arts". So yeah, it's a bitch being a white middle class male, even more of a bitch being a white middle class male in a technical major.
Here's how it really happened...Any questions?
Yeah, I got a few questions. How are you of the circumstances of an event that happened TWO THOUSAND YEARS before you were born? Which version of the hundreds-of-times-translated and rewritten bible are you using? Do you have any EVIDENCE to support your claim
I believe what you meant to say was "Here's how I think it really happened, or "Here's how the version of the bible I read says it happened. In reality there is no way that you could know how it happened, but you could have a belief or have heard how it happened.
This is one of my pet peeves, just because you believe in a religion, or a sect of a religion, or a sect of a sect of a religion, doesn't mean that you are in any way shape or form correct, and you shouldn't speak of it that way.
So, this is how I think it happened: someone needed a story to express the concept that a little guy could triumph over the big guy, so he told someone else tha story of David and Goliath, maybe he had seen a similar fight, maybe he made it up, we'll never know. A few thousand years and a few hundred translations later, the basis of the story is that it is possible form the "underdog" to take on and win vs. an overly-capable competitor, despite varying versions of the story. Really, we don't know whether this actually occured or not, or why the enemy army fled, or if there was even an army at all, what we do know is that the story has a moral, and that said moral seems to hold true today.
I disagree, even if it's a "little hack or workaround". I think it does wonders for the Linux Community. Think marketing, when you can tell a potential customer, "Yes, this will run all of your windows apps, no you don't need to go and buy new copies, yes, it's free, and more stable and secure" that's saying a lot. I made the switch from Mac to Windows in my younger years, and one of my frustrations was that I lost all the investment I had in mac software. The more "universally accepting" Linux is, the better the future. If your blood type is AB+, and you need blood, and you could either get A+ for $5 or AB+ for $100 which would you choose?
Jeebus that stuff is off
I'm 6'0" 170 and an avid rock climber. I play ultimate daily for exercise and run if I can't play ultimate. Every ounce counts when you're hoisting it up a wall, so excess fat is a no-no. Some of the best climbers in the NE climb at my gym, and most of those guys have pretty much NO body fat, some have levels so low that doctors say it's "unhealthy", and they would be considered overweight to obese on these scales.
"Nowadays the kids are spoilt for choice with all the new metal bands. Even Metallica are going heavy again"
*Shudder*, I have not heard one "metal" band on the radio or on MTV in years. What you are referring to is what real metal fans call "Nu Metal", highly popularized, manufactured CRAP. The last real popular metal band might have been, I dunno, MAIDEN. Metal is far from gone, it's just much better and underground now. Although, maybe I should correct myself, I heard hatebreed on the radio the other day, maybe things are looking up.
Then there is DVDA - which has/will not catch on either
Oh man, what are you talkin' about, DVDA has already caught on. Besides being named after one of the best sexual positions EVER, they're genuinely musically talented.
What makes a man is it the woman in his arms....
(Note...watch the movie orgasmo, listen to the soundtrack)
lready hacked out a somewhat rough-plan in another post to cut out the RIAA completely and accomplish something like what you're talking about.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=72869&cid=6570 893
For the last time, Democrats didn't turn on him because it doesn't matter politically how many mouths his dick was in, and therefore the subject should have been dropped, now, spying on the competitor, that's a different story. More importantly, I'm not a democrat and I could care less if someone lies about getting head from an intern, now if someone lies about another country having WMDs and starts a war with that lie....
Scissor paper stone? You mean paper-rock-scissors?
nutter always beats gippo...read in the rags...wtf???
I'm not normally one to pick on other languages/dialects, but god damn that's funny english. I'm not sure what a gippo is, but in the US, a "nutter" could be one of two things, and it would either beat just about everything, or suck more than just about anything.
OK, to extend your car repair comment, the dealer wanted $900 for it, the local garage wanted $300 for it, you could have done it yourself for, oh $150 probably, and an hour or two of your time.
I'm actually going somewhere with this, So you want to buy a copy of Billy Idol's "White Wedding", FYE wants $16.99 for it, iTunes wants $.99 for it, you could go on Kazaa/IRC/FTP/whatever and download it/verify it yourself for free.
Just because it's easy to do brakes doesn't mean there are no mechanics.
SOME scratches are easily fixed, and I've left CDs in my car same temps and they're fine, but if you leave one in the sun in your car, (on the dash, etc), they tend to melt, not sure what the huge difference is, but there is one, I've lost a few that way.
"What makes you think you deserve something simpley because you cannot afford it? Where I come from this is wrong. If I cannot afford something, I don't get it."
The point here, just because something has a price, doesn't mean it's a just price. Moreover, just because something is legal or illegal, doesn't mean it's moral/just or immoral/unjust. Many of the issues people hold are with IP/Copyright laws, which are rather contradictory/ambiguous in this case. It's OK for me to listen to the song for free if a radio station plays it, it's also OK for me to listen to the song for free if I'm in the car with my friend and he plays it. But it's not OK for me to listen to the song for free if I make a copy of my friend's CD, which didn't cost the RIAA anything in regards to production/materials, and if I couldn't afford to buy the CD in the first place, it didn't cost the RIAA anything. Even crazier, even if the radio station has paid an extremely high amount for the CD (lets say, $200), they share it with about 100,000 people (decent radio station, metropolitan area) and they're in the clear, and the profit from it, but if I share it with just 1 person for free, I'm liable to be sued for $150,000.
What rock do you live under
"If their parents can buy them PCs they can buy them CDs". Oh yeah, which is a parent going to go for, "Mom, I need a $400 PC which can help me do research, type papers, keep in touch, and also do some fun stuff" or, "Mom, I need 20 CDs, which at $20 a CD, will cost me about the same as a computer, and uh, I can uh, listen to them". Unlike CDs which are by far overpriced, easily rendered useless (ever accidentally leave on in the sun on a hot summer day, or heaven forbid scratch one?), and single purpose, a multi-purpose computer which is pretty much a REQUIREMENT for college, (relatively) fairly priced, and pretty reliable, is going to be an easy sell for most parents of college students.
I AM a college student who has no disposable income because I'm busy paying for tuition/room&board/food/my car/my car insurance/my phone/etc. However, I still find time at night before I go to sleep to download music. And I even bought my own computers), so who's going to buy me CDs? So maybe you're right, I'm so lazy, instead of working only two jobs, I should get a third to occupy the hour of free time I have a night (and I'm not even in classes now).
People who download music are normally normal people who have found a way to acquire music without being raped up the ass for it. Apparently you prioritize buying a $20 CD right behind eating, other people might prioritize the ability to eat something other than ramen or maybe even go get a cup of coffee with a friend, go see a movie, or buy new clothes above paying $20 for a CD.
"People who download music are normally those with time on their hands, which pretty much implies they can afford to slack."
What kind of moron are you? Just because someone has time on their hands they can afford to slack. Or do you think that everyone should work exactly 16 hours a day and sleep exactly 8 hours a night 7 days a week 24 hours. Jackass.
I'm not from Minnesota, but if I was, I'd suddenly be sparked to start a massive campaigning effort for this guy.
Regardless of what side of the p2p issue you're on, you have to admit that this guy is the first Senator in a LONG time to openly investigate possible infringements on the rights of the common Joe by big business. With so many of our senators and representatives in the pockets of corporations, this man deserves the utmost respect, and if you are from Minnnesota, your vote.
Now, on to my side of the p2p battle, this is just another sign that the RIAA is eventually going to eat it for their practices. Senators hate to be wrong
This guy is 100% correct, you CAN'T tap someone's phone without a warrant. More importantly, there is no legal precedent for wire taps in civil cases.
What the ISPs are arguing is that teh value of the information does not outweight the potential damage it may cause to the public. This is why there is doctor-patient privilege(I'm not saying ISP->customer is anything like doctor->patient), but the concept is the same. It would make prosecutions much easier if the police could just go to a doctor and request records, but since the possible misuses and abuses of this create drastic negative effects for the public, you cannot just obtain the knowledge outright. The ISPs will argue that allowing a private entity to access logs with simply a subpoena would be similar to publicly publishing the logs, and they may win on that ground.
The ISPs may also win on the technicality that the subpoena should be filed in the host state, and again, they may win, although I'm sure the RIAA will again refile the subpoena from the proper state, this increase their costs, and drive another nail in their coffin.
Yarrr matey!
If ye've got a problem with me patch and me parrot scuddles on me shoulder, I'll make ye walk to plank, yarr.
In all seriousness I've got a huge pirate flag hanging over my computers, with good reason. If you call me a pirate, a priate I'll be
True, if they would sue as one giant suit it would appear more intimidating. However, the way our legal system works, there is a better chance for ALL of them if they sue separately. Remember that our judicial system is based on precedent. So if in Dickson Vs. Cockson, a footprint was shown to be proof of trespass, the same would apply in McCough vs. McHack. So the ideal strategy for all the ISPs would be to sue one by one on different(even if slightly so) strategies. The RIAA then has to have a foolproof strategy against every one of these attacks, because if they were to lose one case, the rest could call upon that precedent and the RIAA would be in deep shit.
Just to point out, someone earlier said that the communications companies don't have lobbyists or power any more, they're foolish. When all the baby bells were formed, they were of diminished lobbying power, but it's been YEARS since that happened, and now they're back in full force. Not to mention that even without lobbyists, they have a lot more money than the RIAA to donate to campaign funds, and an election is right around the corner....
Ahh, the good old days of bot wars, clan hacks, and 24/7 IRC. I just checked, my old shell is still running an IRC bot, I haven't touched it in years.
Odd that you should mention such examples
I too hate Linkin Park (and Korn, Limp Bizkit, and any other nu metal band) and Slipknot, and I too listen to Nampalm Death and Morbid Angel, among other good metal(and hardcore) bands. Oddly enough, I drive a Camry.
Anyone who has done research into cars and realizes that there is a pretty much 0% chance you will need a car that can A) do 0-60 in a blink of an eye or B)Go "offroading" in your SUV (certain models excluded, I understand offroading in Jeeps, and older model Broncos and Blazers) will pretty much be drawn to two options A) Camry or B)Accord. NOT because they are marketed well, but because in NUMEROUS reviews they plain outscore the competition.
Really and truthfully, I'm not a car guy either, I just want the best value for what I'm paying for, but MORE importantly, I apply that same want for value out of music. Besides the $750 - $150,000 that the RIAA says the latest N*sync Song is worth, what is it really worth, do you feel enlightened, did you learn something, were you motivated? NO. Now, listen to Shai Hulud's "That Within Blood Ill Tempered", and tell me that it's not at least somewhat enlightening.