You're looking in the wrong place. The "free ride" is for all the mortgage companies and brokers getting bailed out that were profiting of high risk loans. You probably cannot see the sucker either look at the tax payer who is going to have his/her rates raised.
Meaning, if it isn't in there, it doesn't mean you don't have it.
Actually it means if it isn't there it is up to the state you live in to decide it you have it or not. I suggest you read the Constitution again (or perhaps for once). It clearly says whatever is not given to the federal government is given to the states. So I suggest we all fight to keep the federal government as weak and as small as possible and then move to the state that best fits our personal goals, views, etc.
If you read the Constitution you would know it is unConstitution to have national healthcare without doing it through an amendment. But it is perfectly acceptable to have statewide healthcare and if you think about it that is a better idea anyway. If CA has universal healthcare, people who want that can move to CA and people who don't the government to have access to their DNA can move out. Doctors who don't mind the extra paperwork and regulation can move in, those that don't can move out. Tax payers who think it is a good deal can move in and tax payers who think it is a bad deal can leave. And here is the reason it is so much better, it means US citizens have more freedom and choices, plus if the plan works other states can adopt it and if it bankrupts the state other states can avoid making the same mistake. Call me crazy but I like the Constitution as it was written.
Perhaps you misunderstand, I wasn't talking about just IT. Reread my post I was talking about a problem or situation, it could be a firewall change or a plan to renegotiate the company's lease.
I have to ask you this, question. Are you aware that not all people equally intelligent? If you believe they are, let me ask you this, do you believe all people are equally athletic?
So why is it wrong to categorize people by intelligence?
I worry you have been spoon feed to much politically correct BS, so let me just lay this fact out, "not all people are equal", nor would I want to be in a world where they are.
So by your reasoning anybody who "kills their family", must be insane and therefore is not punishable?
I can see it now...
Defense Lawyer:Ladies and gentleman of the jury, the Prosecutor alleges my client killed his wife and children. If my client did not do this we should let him go free so he can get medical treatment to get beyond this terrible event. But if my client did do this, clearly by the very disgusting nature and violence of the crimes themselves he must have been insane to have committed them and therefore needs medical treatment. Lets not put him in jail for life or death, no no no, lets put just him in a hospital until he is betterand by better I mean a doctor signs a form saying he can leave, which will happen when he either convinces the DR he is feeling much better now or his insurance runs out.
Well since the Constitution grants him the right of discovery, if that was the only copy, all Childs has to do is file a motion to see the evidence against him to obtain those usernames and passwords, plus because they were entered into a court record, if he or a friend were to launch an attack or whatever, he would have reasonable doubt given that any court clerk, judge, DA, case officer, police officer, citizen/group/reporter filing open record request, etc. can now see it. Better still if the system were hacked while he was in jail he could use it as defense saying "Hey, when I was running things the network remained secure, but as soon as I was removed it was compromised so how can the DA suggest to the jury that I was somehow putting the network at undo risk? The facts suggest otherwise. Just imagine how cool it would be to read on/. that this happened? Hum?
Honestly the more I read about this the worse SF managers and the DA look. How dumb are they, I mean they are disproving their own case, if I were Childs' lawyer, I would ask this question to the DA in front of the jury "Just so I get this straight, because I am a simple man, you are telling us that this information was so confidential and put the city at so much risk that you publicized it yourself the same day that you made a statement about the dangers of Childs potentially releasing the information? Did you make sure the passwords and usernames were changed before doing so? Isn't it possible that the usernames alone being published could create a target point for hackers to work from? Allowing them to launch either DOS attacks if lockouts are set on thes accounts or to continually work on cracking passwords if no lockout is set? Do you even have the technical knowledge to understand the details of this case without you yourself putting the city at risk like you 'allege' my client has? If Childs put the city at risk by having it on his computer and deserves jail time, what punishment should you get for filing it into the court records? Didn't security concerns worry you? Where is the confirmation the passwords were updated or the account deactivated before you entered sensitive information with the court?"
This is out of a comic stripe, SF is run by idiots. Childs is not the problem it is those that let him control everything so long as he did their work for them. Those are the people who should be on trial. It is a retarded DA that is 1). Putting city systems are risk for a prosecution and 2). Given the defense more ammunition.
I have had more dumb bosses than smart bosses and I do not see a trend in them getting smarter or dumber.
I have found it is smart people who are the most open to explaining what they have done or are doing so long as you work to meet them half way and show interest in listening and thinking for yourself.
I have found the biggest jerks in the office tend to be the most intelligent hard working people for two reasons, first theory I have is that management only puts up with jerks if they produce and second theory I have is they tend to be frustrated by people interrupting them and asking them the same questions over and over. They are not always jerks the first time somebody asks, in fact they usually are open and excited to show you what they did. It is the third time people ask (we all know them) that these brilliant, hard working, high stressed people turn into Mr. Hyde and once they turn on somebody they never go back.
PS - While I rarely say something cannot be done(I learned long ago to assume it can be done and look for answer), I regularly say "That is retarded, why would we do that? What makes you think that is a good idea? Are you sure you want to debate this now, because you almost make it to easy. Do you want to go first and let me rip you apart point by point afterwords, or would you prefer I outline problems I see first, allowing you to walk away and come back when you have read more and seriously put some effort into your design? I suggest writing it down for starters and just working out the logical steps yourself, you should with some effort discover the key problems with your current plan or lack of"
I cut people down for two reasons, first it scares off those that are lazy BSers and it challenges those with potential to do homework first, thus saving me time. Secondly it makes them appreciate when I do like something they recommend and compliment them on it. I pull no punches or praises.
I know what you are saying, but I don't blame Childs, I blame city workers who out of their own laziness let him do/control everything.
I mean think about it, do you think that there was just one person hired in all of SF to manage the network? Exactly, there were people getting paid and not producing. People giving up their freedom in return for promises of stuff without effort. (AKA socialists, communists, freeloaders, hippies,but not all hippies, some of my hippie friends are cool, etc.)
Those are the people who should be in jail. While their laziness or unwillingness to learn/question did not produce Childs, it allowed him to get out of control.
So a lawyer, an HR director and the company President get together after hearing their IT director is dead. Carefully removing their password fragments from their respective safes they reconstruct the passwords to the companies network and systems so that they can... What...
Great so they can get into the CISCO router, but do they know if all 5 VPN tunnels are still needed or what ports must be open for that accounting app to phone home you promised would be setup next week? Great they have the Domain Admin password? What nightly jobs have to run, what accounts are being used to run services on each of the umteenth DB and App servers?
Trust me my way is way better. Plus if you ever change the password you will have to pay the lawyer for half an hour to open his safe and replace it with the new one.
Plus how does that protect the company from you? With two people in the know, their is balance, if I were to go to the dark side and start mumbling "I will teach them" my apprentice can alert management, and get rid of me when the time is right. But when management have a password and the IT guy goes bad, well then they have 1/3 of a worthless phrase.
Some people on/. think it is best to have one knowledgeable person with all the information so that confidential information is not leaked or changes made without the lead guy being aware.
Others think of the bus rule, what happens if the guy who knows everything about mission critical infrastructure components gets hit by a bus?
That is why I have taken a page from the Sith Lord Darth Bane and apply the rule of two. When I build a network I teach and train one apprentice. Then if they suck I fire them and hire a replacement, but if they are good, when I get bored and decided to move on, I feel confident they can take on a apprentice themselves.
It is neat, clean and simple, better still it doesn't have the rules and complexity of Jedi type systems requiring me to check in docs to a source control system, report changes to managers what don't understand, have managers that don't understand sign-off on things they don't understand and avoid dumb rules like not being able to train techs that appear to old, etc.
Yeh, if you ask me the Republic, I mean Network as a whole is best off with Sith types in charge versus bureaucratic Jedi types.
Anybody who works for the government tends to be a follower rather than a leader. State and Federal employees are so stupid, lazy, behind the times, etc. As such he was right to worry about them, but more important is their "we don't want to do it" nature allowed him to control everything. Obviously there were people who got paid to manage the network in addition to him, they got paid and let him do the work. They are the ones that should be in jail also.
How come you say "particularly southern states" I moved to Austin from Philly and let me tell you, those in the North ate worse, went outside less and were obviously much larger. I find your comment insulting. I mean if you ask me Pat's or Geno's Philly cheese steak are going to take you out just as fast as brisket served with a side of TexMex queso and chips. But when you toss in scrapple and hoagies (extra mayo), clearly the City of Brotherly love wins hands down as the phattest city in the country. Umm soft pretzels.
Does anybody else find it funny that the game is called "Limbo of the Lost" and it took 17 years for the makers to produce a plagiarized game. Think they felt like they were lost? Think they felt like they were in limbo? Think they were drinking when they decided to just steal others bits? Well if you do not find any of that funny, have a look at the makers and tell me does "Russian Mob" pop into your head at any point?
What should we call the forked product? X++, XI, XI-UI, Y or PhoeniX? I like PhoeniX, I can picture it now "Rising from the ashes of the Netscape browser...", I mean "Rising from the ashes of what was formerly known as X..." holy crap, this idea may actually work.
The problem with your analogy is that they are making a profit on it (well, they won't now) Interestingly enough I checked posts online and people all over the net are dying to get their hands on a copy of this game, which is insane.
Dude/., this lil' guy is using a text based browser, lets all stop and let him go ahead. As for the 2.0.0.14 issue, I have have found that some links are to the FF2 version, some are to the new FF3 version, and if you try ftp you can get the FF3 Release Candidate version. I think by making it confusing Mozilla ensures we have to come back a few times and thus boost their numbers. By my calculations FF now controls 113% of the browser market. On second thought, perhaps you are better off just wait.
The awesome bar is awesome, otherwise it would be named something else. Rumor has it that IE8 is to include a poop sandwich bar, a piss off button and a RTFM menu item.
Just so I understand, are you telling me that you intend to read through the entire source code of FireFox 3.0 before you use plan on using it? For some reason I find that unlikely, but hey if you do, more power to you. Personally I don't need to review every ingredient in my beer to enjoy it, sure I suppose I could investigate every type of grain and yeast used in its creation, but I don't think that would really give me as good a picture as simply tasting it for myself.
Its closed source no-one knows what could be in there! -- I don't care if you are afraid of shadows, diminishing MY rights because of your irrational fears is still wrong! Wow, your post and your sig make me laugh.
Under capitalism man exploits man. Under communism it's the other way around. Dude you have like the coolest sig ever. Part of me wants to rent it from you, the other part of me things you should just give it to me, because I need it.
Sites been down for awhile. Maybe the Mozilla team can get the Guinness Book of World Record's "Most effective self inflicted denial of service attack."
On the surface liberals think, that is so good, because it means that if I mess around and do not save for retirement or work as hard as my neighbors, then I can live off the people around me." and they clap and cheer for "Oh, Oh, Oh".
You've clearly done a bang-up job of understanding what the people who disagree with you think. Well done. Thanks I read a lot of books from both sides and opinions that don't really fall into either side. I also watch the full spectrum of cables news from Left-wing MSNBC to Right-wing FoxNews. I am very good at uncovering how people think even when they themselves either don't understand their own thought process or refuse to acknowledge why they think a certain way (6 times out of 10 people are liberal because of their own inner greed, the other 40% are just doing what their Professor says; 9 times out of 10 supposed conservatives just want to be free of government oppression and left alone, the other 10% aren't real conservatives). The only problem I have when it comes to understanding people is sarcasm, I rarely pick up when people are being sarcastic. I wonder do you have that problem?
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You're looking in the wrong place. The "free ride" is for all the mortgage companies and brokers getting bailed out that were profiting of high risk loans. You probably cannot see the sucker either look at the tax payer who is going to have his/her rates raised.
Meaning, if it isn't in there, it doesn't mean you don't have it.
Actually it means if it isn't there it is up to the state you live in to decide it you have it or not. I suggest you read the Constitution again (or perhaps for once). It clearly says whatever is not given to the federal government is given to the states. So I suggest we all fight to keep the federal government as weak and as small as possible and then move to the state that best fits our personal goals, views, etc.
If you read the Constitution you would know it is unConstitution to have national healthcare without doing it through an amendment. But it is perfectly acceptable to have statewide healthcare and if you think about it that is a better idea anyway. If CA has universal healthcare, people who want that can move to CA and people who don't the government to have access to their DNA can move out. Doctors who don't mind the extra paperwork and regulation can move in, those that don't can move out. Tax payers who think it is a good deal can move in and tax payers who think it is a bad deal can leave. And here is the reason it is so much better, it means US citizens have more freedom and choices, plus if the plan works other states can adopt it and if it bankrupts the state other states can avoid making the same mistake. Call me crazy but I like the Constitution as it was written.
"Free Market" ... You keep using that [term]. I do not think it means what you think it means. - I.M.
Private companies have put more money into the Internet than public governments. Just an FYI.
Perhaps you misunderstand, I wasn't talking about just IT. Reread my post I was talking about a problem or situation, it could be a firewall change or a plan to renegotiate the company's lease.
I have to ask you this, question. Are you aware that not all people equally intelligent? If you believe they are, let me ask you this, do you believe all people are equally athletic?
So why is it wrong to categorize people by intelligence?
I worry you have been spoon feed to much politically correct BS, so let me just lay this fact out, "not all people are equal", nor would I want to be in a world where they are.
> This wasn't a normal father. He was a criminal.
That's not fair. There are many criminals, who are also fathers, who love and don't harm their children.
Oh yes and by that you must be referring to the criminals that only harm other people's families.
So by your reasoning anybody who "kills their family", must be insane and therefore is not punishable?
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I can see it now
Defense Lawyer: Ladies and gentleman of the jury, the Prosecutor alleges my client killed his wife and children. If my client did not do this we should let him go free so he can get medical treatment to get beyond this terrible event. But if my client did do this, clearly by the very disgusting nature and violence of the crimes themselves he must have been insane to have committed them and therefore needs medical treatment. Lets not put him in jail for life or death, no no no, lets put just him in a hospital until he is betterand by better I mean a doctor signs a form saying he can leave, which will happen when he either convinces the DR he is feeling much better now or his insurance runs out.
Well since the Constitution grants him the right of discovery, if that was the only copy, all Childs has to do is file a motion to see the evidence against him to obtain those usernames and passwords, plus because they were entered into a court record, if he or a friend were to launch an attack or whatever, he would have reasonable doubt given that any court clerk, judge, DA, case officer, police officer, citizen/group/reporter filing open record request, etc. can now see it. Better still if the system were hacked while he was in jail he could use it as defense saying "Hey, when I was running things the network remained secure, but as soon as I was removed it was compromised so how can the DA suggest to the jury that I was somehow putting the network at undo risk? The facts suggest otherwise. Just imagine how cool it would be to read on /. that this happened? Hum?
Honestly the more I read about this the worse SF managers and the DA look. How dumb are they, I mean they are disproving their own case, if I were Childs' lawyer, I would ask this question to the DA in front of the jury "Just so I get this straight, because I am a simple man, you are telling us that this information was so confidential and put the city at so much risk that you publicized it yourself the same day that you made a statement about the dangers of Childs potentially releasing the information? Did you make sure the passwords and usernames were changed before doing so? Isn't it possible that the usernames alone being published could create a target point for hackers to work from? Allowing them to launch either DOS attacks if lockouts are set on thes accounts or to continually work on cracking passwords if no lockout is set? Do you even have the technical knowledge to understand the details of this case without you yourself putting the city at risk like you 'allege' my client has? If Childs put the city at risk by having it on his computer and deserves jail time, what punishment should you get for filing it into the court records? Didn't security concerns worry you? Where is the confirmation the passwords were updated or the account deactivated before you entered sensitive information with the court?"
This is out of a comic stripe, SF is run by idiots. Childs is not the problem it is those that let him control everything so long as he did their work for them. Those are the people who should be on trial. It is a retarded DA that is 1). Putting city systems are risk for a prosecution and 2). Given the defense more ammunition.
PS - While I rarely say something cannot be done(I learned long ago to assume it can be done and look for answer), I regularly say "That is retarded, why would we do that? What makes you think that is a good idea? Are you sure you want to debate this now, because you almost make it to easy. Do you want to go first and let me rip you apart point by point afterwords, or would you prefer I outline problems I see first, allowing you to walk away and come back when you have read more and seriously put some effort into your design? I suggest writing it down for starters and just working out the logical steps yourself, you should with some effort discover the key problems with your current plan or lack of"
I cut people down for two reasons, first it scares off those that are lazy BSers and it challenges those with potential to do homework first, thus saving me time. Secondly it makes them appreciate when I do like something they recommend and compliment them on it. I pull no punches or praises.
I know what you are saying, but I don't blame Childs, I blame city workers who out of their own laziness let him do/control everything.
I mean think about it, do you think that there was just one person hired in all of SF to manage the network? Exactly, there were people getting paid and not producing. People giving up their freedom in return for promises of stuff without effort. (AKA socialists, communists, freeloaders, hippies,but not all hippies, some of my hippie friends are cool, etc.)
Those are the people who should be in jail. While their laziness or unwillingness to learn/question did not produce Childs, it allowed him to get out of control.
See this is the Jedi BS that I am talking about.
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I can just see it now
So a lawyer, an HR director and the company President get together after hearing their IT director is dead. Carefully removing their password fragments from their respective safes they reconstruct the passwords to the companies network and systems so that they can
Great so they can get into the CISCO router, but do they know if all 5 VPN tunnels are still needed or what ports must be open for that accounting app to phone home you promised would be setup next week? Great they have the Domain Admin password? What nightly jobs have to run, what accounts are being used to run services on each of the umteenth DB and App servers?
Trust me my way is way better. Plus if you ever change the password you will have to pay the lawyer for half an hour to open his safe and replace it with the new one.
Plus how does that protect the company from you? With two people in the know, their is balance, if I were to go to the dark side and start mumbling "I will teach them" my apprentice can alert management, and get rid of me when the time is right. But when management have a password and the IT guy goes bad, well then they have 1/3 of a worthless phrase.
Some people on /. think it is best to have one knowledgeable person with all the information so that confidential information is not leaked or changes made without the lead guy being aware.
Others think of the bus rule, what happens if the guy who knows everything about mission critical infrastructure components gets hit by a bus?
That is why I have taken a page from the Sith Lord Darth Bane and apply the rule of two. When I build a network I teach and train one apprentice. Then if they suck I fire them and hire a replacement, but if they are good, when I get bored and decided to move on, I feel confident they can take on a apprentice themselves.
It is neat, clean and simple, better still it doesn't have the rules and complexity of Jedi type systems requiring me to check in docs to a source control system, report changes to managers what don't understand, have managers that don't understand sign-off on things they don't understand and avoid dumb rules like not being able to train techs that appear to old, etc.
Yeh, if you ask me the Republic, I mean Network as a whole is best off with Sith types in charge versus bureaucratic Jedi types.
Anybody who works for the government tends to be a follower rather than a leader. State and Federal employees are so stupid, lazy, behind the times, etc. As such he was right to worry about them, but more important is their "we don't want to do it" nature allowed him to control everything. Obviously there were people who got paid to manage the network in addition to him, they got paid and let him do the work. They are the ones that should be in jail also.
How come you say "particularly southern states" I moved to Austin from Philly and let me tell you, those in the North ate worse, went outside less and were obviously much larger. I find your comment insulting. I mean if you ask me Pat's or Geno's Philly cheese steak are going to take you out just as fast as brisket served with a side of TexMex queso and chips. But when you toss in scrapple and hoagies (extra mayo), clearly the City of Brotherly love wins hands down as the phattest city in the country. Umm soft pretzels.
Does anybody else find it funny that the game is called "Limbo of the Lost" and it took 17 years for the makers to produce a plagiarized game. Think they felt like they were lost? Think they felt like they were in limbo? Think they were drinking when they decided to just steal others bits? Well if you do not find any of that funny, have a look at the makers and tell me does "Russian Mob" pop into your head at any point?
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/images/paper/PD1403578_l.jpg
Point is demand is up. Whoever bought this game and thought they got ripped off, could ebay it for a profit.
What should we call the forked product? X++, XI, XI-UI, Y or PhoeniX? I like PhoeniX, I can picture it now "Rising from the ashes of the Netscape browser ...", I mean "Rising from the ashes of what was formerly known as X ..." holy crap, this idea may actually work.
Dude /., this lil' guy is using a text based browser, lets all stop and let him go ahead. As for the 2.0.0.14 issue, I have have found that some links are to the FF2 version, some are to the new FF3 version, and if you try ftp you can get the FF3 Release Candidate version. I think by making it confusing Mozilla ensures we have to come back a few times and thus boost their numbers. By my calculations FF now controls 113% of the browser market. On second thought, perhaps you are better off just wait.
The awesome bar is awesome, otherwise it would be named something else. Rumor has it that IE8 is to include a poop sandwich bar, a piss off button and a RTFM menu item.
Just so I understand, are you telling me that you intend to read through the entire source code of FireFox 3.0 before you use plan on using it? For some reason I find that unlikely, but hey if you do, more power to you. Personally I don't need to review every ingredient in my beer to enjoy it, sure I suppose I could investigate every type of grain and yeast used in its creation, but I don't think that would really give me as good a picture as simply tasting it for myself.
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I don't care if you are afraid of shadows, diminishing MY rights because of your irrational fears is still wrong! Wow, your post and your sig make me laugh.
Sites been down for awhile. Maybe the Mozilla team can get the Guinness Book of World Record's "Most effective self inflicted denial of service attack."
You've clearly done a bang-up job of understanding what the people who disagree with you think. Well done. Thanks I read a lot of books from both sides and opinions that don't really fall into either side. I also watch the full spectrum of cables news from Left-wing MSNBC to Right-wing FoxNews. I am very good at uncovering how people think even when they themselves either don't understand their own thought process or refuse to acknowledge why they think a certain way (6 times out of 10 people are liberal because of their own inner greed, the other 40% are just doing what their Professor says; 9 times out of 10 supposed conservatives just want to be free of government oppression and left alone, the other 10% aren't real conservatives). The only problem I have when it comes to understanding people is sarcasm, I rarely pick up when people are being sarcastic. I wonder do you have that problem?