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SF Not an Exception In Giving IT Too Much Control

CWmike writes "The city of San Francisco's IT department is certainly not the exception when it comes to allowing just one person to have unfettered rights to make password and configuration changes to networks and enterprise systems. In fact, it's a situation fairly common in many organizations — especially small to medium-size ones, IT managers and others cautioned in the wake of the recent Terry Childs incident."

245 comments

  1. God complex by daveywest · · Score: 4, Funny

    What was it they said in the 80's about the most common admin passwords?

    1. Re:God complex by pwnies · · Score: 4, Funny

      "1, 2, 3, 4, 5...the kind of thing an idiot would have on his luggage"
      -Spaceballs, 1987.

    2. Re:God complex by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Funny

      That is the combination to my luggage, you insensitive clod!

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    3. Re:God complex by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The subject of the article is about one central admin having too much control over too many machines, and the risks that entails when they go bad.

      Which makes a person wonder... how much worse when billions of consumers are giving total control over all their machines to a centralized authority through Trusted Computing and Vista?

      I mean, what happens when Microsoft goes bad?

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    4. Re:God complex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      When Microsoft goes bad? You must be new here.

    5. Re:God complex by Dancindan84 · · Score: 1

      When?

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    6. Re:God complex by Panaqqa · · Score: 1

      Uh, what do you mean WHEN Microsoft goes bad?

    7. Re:God complex by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      and the risks that entails when they go bad.

      It's not just when they go bad. What happens if they get run over by a bus or a stampede of wildebeests? If they are the only person to know the admin passwords, commands, etc, they are the single point of failure, regardless if they go bad or not.

      Just as we harp on backing up our files (um, yeah), we also need to harp on a backup for the admin. There should always be someone else, even if it's the mayor, who also has the list of admin passwords.

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    8. Re:God complex by TRRosen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Unfortunately this article is about one periphery admin that had control over only a few routers. The rest has been made up by the city and the media.

    9. Re:God complex by JCSoRocks · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I use the bus example pretty regularly. It's the same reason that I expect documentation for everything. Is writing documentation fun? no. Is it necessary? Perhaps not... but does it save days, or possibly weeks from being wasted? Yes.

      As far as I'm concerned... passwords are just the beginning. Configurations and such can also be a nightmare to replicate when they're undocumented. Ever stepped into a project where they only guy working on it is gone and you have to figure out how to setup your machine / development environment just to get it to run? It's awful. All of the "don't install that patch, it ruins everything" or "you have to install these components in this order so that they don't interfere with one another" is gone and you have a horrific puzzle before you.

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    10. Re:God complex by Bandman · · Score: 1

      I know exactly what you mean. I'm getting to the point in my network that I'm the only single point of failure.

    11. Re:God complex by Vancorps · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Ya know, I would kill to have another person around with the same skillset that I have but it just ain't gonna happen. Periodically I print out a report of all my passwords and lock them in the safe of the CFO. That way if another admin comes in because I got run over by a bus or more likely in my case, got in a horrid car wreck going well into the triple digits he or she can read my documentation and gain access to the system.

      Not the best solution but it works since they refuse to hire me help even though I am way overworked increasing the likelihood I will kill myself traveling to and from work at all hours.

    12. Re:God complex by wealthychef · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is all a red herring. Any administrator has sufficient privs to block out all other admins should he/she want to. So even if you give the password to five people, it doesn't help, unless I'm missing something.

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    13. Re:God complex by Vancorps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I came into the same philosophy as you a few years ago when I was in the position where I took over a network that was completely undocumented. Now I have Visio diagrams and written explanations of almost everything including a complete inventory of what I have on what network at each site.

      I started it with the idea of the bus principle but I've come to rely on it myself as I'm the only admin and so I often have parts of the network I don't touch for a year at a time. This means I forget how things are put together so I refer back to my own documentation. Works every time.

    14. Re:God complex by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Now - it is also important to understand that the IT department isn't some fringe function of a company that can be handled and accessed at will, it is today the backbone of many organizations and as important as the accounting division but much more complex.

      This means that you must have a reasonable way of handling the IT department. But it is also necessary to check that a single person can block the whole solution. The latter is virtually impossible to resolve since physical access to servers will allow any individual to obtain full control over that server.

      And don't forget that it doesn't help to reassign functionality to a security department, that will only move the problem.

      The best solution is to keep the IT department content and be in tight cooperation with them. Dictating orders and hard central management will result in less than happy IT personnel.

      Central administration of a company may on the paper look like it's efficient, but unfortunately this also means that instead of disturbances at a single office the whole company will be at risk of total standstill.

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    15. Re:God complex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "System administrators love to use god, it's the whole male-ego thing."

      God help me for remembering that quote, and god help any of you who recognize it...

    16. Re:God complex by nsayer · · Score: 1

      What happens if they get run over by a bus or a stampede of wildebeests?

      Or, in my own case, CalTrain.

    17. Re:God complex by moxley · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is exactly what I do too - only, in addition to passwords the document is about 4 pages long and lays out everything someone coming in from the outside would need to know to run our network and servers. It is kept in the safe of our Managing Director.

      I think a lot of people just don't understand this Terry Childs story. I know a lot of situations like this where one person in IT has all of the administrative control.

      I feel for the guy, and think that, possibly, there may even be more to the story. I am glad we heard more about what was really going on from that person who knew the situation well - but I would like to hear Terry's side really.

    18. Re:God complex by Vancorps · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, I imagine he was aware of a lot more than most other people as admins usually are. I know that I have much more information about the company and how it operates along with its goals than I necessarily need to do my job but it's the nature of trust.

      You have to be able to trust your admin so you should treat them accordingly. That is the first mistake of most employers these days. They treat everyone like dirt including the people that can burn them really badly because they don't understand how much their company relies on IT. I know the company I work used to come to an abrupt halt when there was an outage. Since then I've removed the single points of failure, the only thing left is me. They forget that redundant systems get kind of complex though and they assume anyone out of college can do it for 30k so they fight me for 70k.

    19. Re:God complex by f_raze13 · · Score: 1

      So just set up a dead man's switch to send out an email with the passwords should you not reset the switch in time. And if you're an ass about hoarding all of your passwords, then it's just more of an incentive to be sure to reset the switch on time. For the few holes in the system, I can't see anything that would compromise the security of your passwords. Just set it up to send the email to an assistant or a manager, or several different managers if you're paranoid about a Terry Childs style incident happening with the person you send the passwords to, and you should be fine.

    20. Re:God complex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Now you just need to make sure that the CFO (or Managing Director) isn't the only one with combination to that safe.

    21. Re:God complex by canuck57 · · Score: 1

      I mean, what happens when Microsoft goes bad?

      Linux.

      Some are already there, NSAKey anyone?

    22. Re:God complex by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      A very good policy.
      IT's also a policy that makes hiring and training, when you can, much easier.

    23. Re:God complex by Geminii · · Score: 1
      One place I worked, I got promoted as a junior to the Unix area which adminned the infrastructure for a major national government department - a couple hundred servers, twenty-five thousand users, over a million clients.

      The first thing I said the day I walked in there was "Could I see a list of the servers we're responsible for?"

      "Oh, we don't know what's out there. If something breaks, someone will eventually yell in our direction if they ever work out what's causing their problem."

      Needless to say, I butted heads with the (lack of) management there for over a year, until the entire group was shitcanned and control transferred to a team actually able to find its own arse without assistance.

    24. Re:God complex by david.peace · · Score: 1

      What do you mean "when", as if they aren't already?

    25. Re:God complex by turbidostato · · Score: 1

      "This is exactly what I do too - only, in addition to passwords the document is about 4 pages long and lays out everything someone coming in from the outside would need to know to run our network and servers."

      Well, that's probably too much. I only have on paper documentation to recover the main backup machine and the server that holds the documentation wiki (from the backup machine and tapes). Once you get to this point everything else can be gotten from there.

    26. Re:God complex by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      I'm a good example of that. I am the only technical person behind our ISP. No one else has access at this point in time. Now am I overly security paranoid to the point of not writing configs to NVRAM or disabling password-recovery? No, that would be dumb. If I got hit by a bus the network will keep on working. My replacement can regain access to the network by doing a password recovery on each of the devices. Everything is fully redundant with the exception of the access edges (which can't feasibly be redundant anyhow). This is our solution until I finish the documentation and complete our one-time password solution for our network, or they get me a backup. I'm not going to hoard access but I won't give it to someone who will likely cause me more work and that includes my super. No matter how well-intentioned someone is, if they don't know what they're doing then they have no business on a SP network.

  2. It will happen again, and continue to happen. by pwnies · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I really think this type of thing is inevitable with this high level of a network admin. There comes a point where the complexity of the network you manage means that you simply can't report all the inner details and workings to a manager or overseer. Not only that, but with the speed that computers advance, hardware becomes obsolete within a decade, and new talent often times wont have knowledge/capabilities/will to deal with the older hardware that builds up in operations such as these.

    Sadly I think the only thing one can do with things this size, is appoint someone and pray he isn't chaotic evil.

    1. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by The+Warlock · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, that doesn't work. What if, instead of just refusing to divulge the password, Childs had shot himself in the head or gotten hit by a bus or something. He locked down his network so well that only through a password that was only in his head could anyone have admin access.

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    2. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Wiarumas · · Score: 2, Funny

      One Word: Skynet

      Singularity ftw.

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    3. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Aphoxema · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While more people should have had access to the network were it ever really needed, sometimes the only really efficient way to take care of a really intricate and dedicated task is to have one person do it all.

      He certainly could have been more responsible about it though and prepared assistants to understand exactly how it worked, but who knows, maybe he really was trying to document his system for others but management got in the way of anything productive. That's what management's for, right?

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    4. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      "...and pray he isn't chaotic evil."

      well, at least there's an 8 out of 9 chance that's the case.

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    5. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by The+Warlock · · Score: 1

      Well, at my job management stays the fuck out of the way.

      This may be less productive in the long run. For example, I'm posting on Slashdot right now.

      But the fact is, when you have a complicated system, you need to make sure that more than one person understands it. Sure, in this case it was done with malice aforethought, but a situation where Childs got hit by a bus the day before he would have otherwise locked everyone else out is not hard to imagine.

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    6. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by AllIGotWasThisNick · · Score: 1

      well, at least there's an 8 out of 9 chance that's the case.

      You really think alignment is evenly distributed?

    7. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This whole "I'm unique and a genius and only through my incredible mental powers does this network keep running" schtick was idiotic long before the lunatic out SF decided that he was God of the Network and beyond any of the Powers that Be. Yes, it's true that complex networks can be tough to explain, and yes, I can well understand why the architect of a network might not want someone else screwing with the configs, but come on, at least a few of us have been faced with having to untangle a complex network config. For the most part, I find the really complex ones I've had to deal with were more due to a distinct lack of ability rather than because the guy was some supergenius. Make some decent network diagrams with good descriptions of what various routers, servers, etc. do, and a reasonably well-trained and/or experienced network guy will likely be able to figure it out. It might be painful at points, and if the old guy is truly gone (rotting in prison because he's a narcissistic wanker or because he got hit by a bus) it might take some work, but providing the configurations aren't some sort of spaghetti routing tables, it should be reasonably possible to pick it all up.

      I'm sometimes wonder whether guys like Childs are more hiding their own inadequacies than trying to protect the network from incompetents. I've done a few configs that I've been a little embarassed about, but because of time constraints I went with the flow and hoped either it would stay working or that I'd get a chance further down the road to clean things up.

      At any rate, I think it's the head of any IT department's job, implicit in that very position, that the network architecture have some documentation, and that things not just be stored in one's cranium.

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    8. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by geogob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While I was managing servers and network equipment for a small organization, I was for a very long period of time the only one to possess the low level access password for the equipment I managed. At the time, I was the only person responsible for all IT related affairs and I did not feel anyone else in the organization had the technical knowledge and integrity to posses these access.

      On the other hand, all these access and relevant documentation was sealed and under lock with the instruction only to be retrieved in the event something happened to me (accident, incapacitation, death, etc.).

      Not wanting to give out critical information to anyone is something (most of the time at least) responsible to do. Not assuring continuity or failing protecting the critical information to be lost through unforeseen circumstances, shows a serious lack of professionalism.

    9. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >At the time, I was the only person responsible for all IT related affairs and I did not feel anyone
      >else in the organization had the technical knowledge and integrity to posses these access.

      Either you were remiss in your responsibilities when it came to IT related affairs such as recruiting, hiring, training, and budgeting payroll, or you were not actually responsible for *all* IT related affairs.

    10. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 1

      There needs to be a recovery plan in place, but it's often not practical to have complete redundancy of the "the sysadmin is dead long live the sysadmin" variety.

      As long as the system is stable and there is a process for succession of admins, thats about as good as it gets. And there will be "gotcha!" moments, and crap like that, but that is true with all IT gigs.

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    11. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by jellomizer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Luckily these people are becoming less and less common. Why?

      Bosses are getting smarter. Some of the bosses actually come from an IT background and know what is going on.

      Computers are common. People even Non-IT people are use to using computers, and have a general high level idea what is going on.

      SOX and ISO documentation is part of the job now not just a nice to have.

      Global Competition, Big fishes in small ponds have been tossed into the ocean. Are you sure you are smarter then everyone else.

      Saying it can't be done may lead to lets get bring in a consultant. If if the consultant say he can do it you are down knocked down a peg, and if you are that much of a jerk your boss won't be favorable about it.

      So over time I see this becomming less and less and issue. However you they are still around. And when they get fired they will make a big fuss about it but overall the company will probably run better.

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    12. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      well, at least there's an 8 out of 9 chance that's the case.

      You really think alignment is evenly distributed?

      No. Cause all the Cool people are Chaotic Good. :)

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    13. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      And by SOX separation of duties, only certain people are allowed to know/do certain things.

      Childs having the only password protects against someone else screwing with logs or data.

      Hmmm.. 1 bad incident of a bad admin that was minorly costly and annoying vs numerous incidents that have cost billions of dollars where executives had the data changed.

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    14. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by hurfy · · Score: 1

      lol, our little company doesn't even have anyone else that write basic reports in our sucky report writer much less anything more advanced :(

      On the other hand there are no complicated networking stuff (not handled by contract on the main system) or anything so complicated someone couldn't fix or replace it all.

      At least being the boss' son and set to inherit it fairly soon there is no threat of me going rogue :)

    15. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Childs was arguably the smartest technical person willing to work for SF; outsourcing isn't really an option with him.

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    16. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say that. It was they just never bothered to look after he came on board.

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    17. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i can see the craigslist add now: "crack old admins password and the job is yours"

    18. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What if any person responsible for a mission-critical system - be it mechanical or electronic - decided to go nuts and throw shit into the fan? Do you know how easy it is to kill people on a Ferris Wheel? Or in a train? Or a ship? Or a hospital with computerized monitoring and drug/nutrient delivery systems? You just have to trust the laws of probability that the qualified individuals you hire and who work their way to positions of trust, can in fact be trusted, and won't take control of things, or cause massive damage.

      However, I don't see why one man should have the only root password.

    19. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Bandman · · Score: 1

      I've said it before, and I'll say it again (and again (and again))

      Document, document, document!

      Don't make me start throwing chairs ;-)

    20. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I would. I've read enough of the backstory to believe that, paranoid as he was, Childs was the only one competent to deal with the network, or at best one of a few. Regardless, would you give up the goods to a wet behind the ears 'security consultant' who just got there a month ago? Given the idiocy in the department and the fact that he'd be the one to clean things up, I'd say no.

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    21. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Bandman · · Score: 1

      And make for damned sure that your network is documented.

      They don't just pay you to plug in the wires; documentation is part of your job, too

    22. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Bandman · · Score: 1

      Your post is so right on target that it hurts.

      After Terry finally gave up the passwords, I blogged pretty much your exact sentiments. Documentation shall set you free.

      If you can't afford a backup fileserver, do you just hope for the best? No, you document the settings so that it can perform the function of the previous machine.

      The network administrator is as much a piece of the network as the router he configures

    23. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by MetaPhyzx · · Score: 1

      Sadly I think the only thing one can do with things this size, is appoint someone and pray he isn't chaotic evil.

      No. You can invest in your staff and ensure that via training and promoting those with a good work ethic you have multiple resources to absorb the load and ensure redundancy regarding skills required to maintain the environment. Of course, most organizations still look at IT as a loss; the companies/organizations that don't look at IT staff like that seem to not have these kinds of problems.

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    24. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Bandman · · Score: 2, Informative

      If something can't be done (by you) and it needs to be done, then what's wrong with bringing in a consultant?

      You're not in competition with the guy, he's an expert at whatever you're hiring him for, not to do your job.

      When you hire the consultant, just make sure he's not the kind who works behind a closed door. You're paying him to share information with you too, so that you can do general administration on the subject later

    25. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What you're forgetting is that he *offered* the passwords, since the day he was arrested - just to somebody he trusted. I'll bet if he were dealing with you, I, or most of the low numbers on /., Childs would have felt confident turning it over to us after a few minutes of talk to assess our sanity. But since you've done a few configs, I'm sure you can think of one or two people you've met in the workplace who shouldn't be trusted with car keys, let alone passwords.

      It isn't just him being overprotective, either. He is still a citizen of S.F., and if it were me, I'd avoid having the whole thing crash and incite riots and anarchy until I got someplace farther away where it couldn't bother me. Like, say, the Bahamas.

    26. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Bandman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Let me speak up for a fellow in my own situation.

      I'm not responsible for all IT, but I'm responsible for each and every bit of electricity that traverses a wire in my company. I report to the CTO. I'm the only one of "me"'s that we have.

      I've got a pretty spectacular bus factor at the moment, because we can't hire anyone else. The money is tight as is, so I'm doing the only responsible thing. Document everything. Make sure that the passwords are stored somewhere besides my brain, and that someone else can get to them.

      Treat yourself like any other piece of networking equipment. If you can only afford one, make sure it's settings are backed up and that you know how to recreate it if need be.

    27. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      This is a ridiculous defense. If his superiors demand that he release the passwords, and unless there's some protocol explicitely in place requiring him to only release the passwords to specific individuals, he is obliged to do as he is told. Whatever his justifications, he is not permitted to deny his superiors this data. It isn't his call to make.

      If I were ordered by my manager to release passwords, and I didn't trust him, or those he planned to give them to, I'd probably let my objections be known, and if it were really a huge concern, I'd probably get it in writing that I wasn't responsible for what happened. I'm in position to deny my superiors this data, or, for that matter, any data. It doesn't belong to me, my control over it is only because of my position in my organization.

      He'ss a prima donna with a god complex. He's no hero. He may be the best network admin in history, but I wouldn't hire him in a million years, and I have a feeling there are a lot of guys out there that won't. I expect that his career is probably over, because his name's all over the place, and who the fuck would want some lunatic who won't release passwords to superiors, save for the one he trusts?

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    28. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by ACMENEWSLLC · · Score: 2

      Have two vaults. Different locations. In vault is a file cabinet. Each system which requires unique passwords has it's own file. The file is secured so that it has to be opened and proof of that occurring must be evident. Access to the vaults are recorded.

      We always joked about someone getting hit by a bus and suddenly dieing with the admin passwords to their system in their head. Well, it wasn't a bus, but it happened. We had such vaults and we had admin access which allowed us to reset other admin accounts too.

      This could be done physically or virtually. It doesn't stop the case of someone being bad and holding the password hostage. I'm not sure what you can do about that. My RFID system from 1995 is running DOS. It's not like we can install auditing software on it for cases of me changing the admin passwords. There has to be a level of trust. The punishment for this guy needs to be huge as to deter future cases.

    29. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Hyppy · · Score: 1

      How do you know for sure that documentation is a part of his job description?

    30. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by why-is-it · · Score: 3, Insightful

      While more people should have had access to the network were it ever really needed, sometimes the only really efficient way to take care of a really intricate and dedicated task is to have one person do it all.

      I do not agree, but even if what you say is true, that just goes to show that efficiency isn't everything!

      In the enterprise space, it simply isn't possible to have one person design, implement and operate a non-trivial environment. There aren't enough hours in the day to do all that is required, and I (for one) would like to have a bit of free time - even if all I do with it is sit in front of my playstation.

      If the work is so complicated and the deadlines so tight that only one person can pull it off, the project is a disaster waiting to happen. Truly competent technical staff would be the first to escalate that situation to management, rather than indulge their inner megalomaniac and try to do it all solo.

      I think we nerds tend to focus on the really cool technology so much that we fail to see the big picture. When you step back a moment, and put it all into perspective, it does not matter if I work 7x24x365 to complete a really complex project on my own. It _really_ does not matter if the design is incredibly elegant, the implementation flawless, and the cut-over into production goes as smooth as silk if one mis-step in front of a speeding bus renders the whole thing an unsupported mess the first time it breaks.

      While some might mourn my passing, the lack of documentation and shared knowledge and experience will have reduced all of my heroic efforts to a complete and utter waste of time.

      My obligation to my employer isn't to hoard knowledge and information to myself - it is to share that knowledge and information with the other members of my department. If I bring everyone else up to speed, I can have a few week-ends to myself because even the most junior member of the team can step up and help resolve problems if the knowledge base and procedures are thorough and well-documented.

      Coming from that perspective, I am unable to find much sympathy for Childs or his former employer. Both have demonstrated extraordinarily poor judgment and are paying the consequences for their lack of professionalism.

      (I have to say though, I'm not sure Childs deserves to be in jail, or face such an absurdly high bail amount.)

      maybe he really was trying to document his system for others but management got in the way of anything productive. That's what management's for, right?

      We nerds tend to interpret "productive" differently than management does. I'm sure most would agree that sitting in front of the keyboard actually doing UNIX-related work qualifies as productive. Management might place a higher priority on documentation, or training other team members as equally if not more productive tasks.

      I work in a large enterprise environment and most of my time is not spent at the command line. Most of it is spend communicating with other departments, with my own department, with project teams I have been assigned to, with various levels of management, and with vendors. While I would not have thought so at the beginning of my career, I now see that effective communication skills (which includes listening to others) plays a greater role in being successful at my job than what I do at the command line.

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    31. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Bandman · · Score: 1

      I suppose that if no one tells you to document it, then it's your prerogative, but you'd be a damned fool not to document something that you designed from the ground up

    32. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by nsayer · · Score: 1

      And by SOX separation of duties

      Irrelevant. Sarbains-Oxley applies to public corporations, not local governments.

    33. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by jackspenn · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I know what you are saying, but I don't blame Childs, I blame city workers who out of their own laziness let him do/control everything.

      I mean think about it, do you think that there was just one person hired in all of SF to manage the network? Exactly, there were people getting paid and not producing. People giving up their freedom in return for promises of stuff without effort. (AKA socialists, communists, freeloaders, hippies,but not all hippies, some of my hippie friends are cool, etc.)

      Those are the people who should be in jail. While their laziness or unwillingness to learn/question did not produce Childs, it allowed him to get out of control.

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    34. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Burning1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Exactly!

      I learned a long time ago that there is more value in producing a simple, robust, reliable, and reproducible environment than spending all my time and energy milking 10% more out of a configuration that no one else will be able to understand or maintain.

      If your system is so complex that someone of half your ability couldn't be trained to maintain or operate it it, you are incompetent. Experience is knowing the best way to support the long term goals of your environment. Experience is not about being able to make an environment that you will be stuck maintaining for the rest of your life.

    35. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is a ridiculous defense. If his superiors demand that he release the passwords, and unless there's some protocol explicitely in place requiring him to only release the passwords to specific individuals, he is obliged to do as he is told. Whatever his justifications, he is not permitted to deny his superiors this data. It isn't his call to make.

      Not if he believed that he would be putting the public welfare at risk. It's a legitimate defense. In addition, he's not in the military so all the hoohah about protocols is just bunk. Once he was fired, his obligation to the city was terminated. Only if there were some stipulation in his employment contract spelling out a requirement to return all city owned property upon the end his employment would there be legal standing to take action. Passwords could fall under that requirement, however, it would be a civil matter and not a criminal one. The clown of a prosecutor in this case, has, like many other prosecutors in this country, taken an overly broad interpretation of a vaguely written law and misapplied it as a state sanctioned method of forceful coercion.

      He'ss a prima donna with a god complex. He's no hero. He may be the best network admin in history, but I wouldn't hire him in a million years, and I have a feeling there are a lot of guys out there that won't. I expect that his career is probably over, because his name's all over the place, and who the fuck would want some lunatic who won't release passwords to superiors, save for the one he trusts?

      You'd be an idiot not hire him. He fucking designed a top-notch network that is so secure that even engineers from Cisco couldn't get access into it. That's pretty damn impressive. I think he'd really shine if you stick him with some other engineers that match his skill-level and competence and where he wouldn't have sole responsibility for running the network. Working with municipal morons was probably depressing as hell. Hell, I bet he could win on an insanity defense.

    36. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by jackspenn · · Score: 1
      1. I have had more dumb bosses than smart bosses and I do not see a trend in them getting smarter or dumber.
      2. I have found it is smart people who are the most open to explaining what they have done or are doing so long as you work to meet them half way and show interest in listening and thinking for yourself.
      3. I have found the biggest jerks in the office tend to be the most intelligent hard working people for two reasons, first theory I have is that management only puts up with jerks if they produce and second theory I have is they tend to be frustrated by people interrupting them and asking them the same questions over and over. They are not always jerks the first time somebody asks, in fact they usually are open and excited to show you what they did. It is the third time people ask (we all know them) that these brilliant, hard working, high stressed people turn into Mr. Hyde and once they turn on somebody they never go back.

      PS - While I rarely say something cannot be done(I learned long ago to assume it can be done and look for answer), I regularly say "That is retarded, why would we do that? What makes you think that is a good idea? Are you sure you want to debate this now, because you almost make it to easy. Do you want to go first and let me rip you apart point by point afterwords, or would you prefer I outline problems I see first, allowing you to walk away and come back when you have read more and seriously put some effort into your design? I suggest writing it down for starters and just working out the logical steps yourself, you should with some effort discover the key problems with your current plan or lack of"

      I cut people down for two reasons, first it scares off those that are lazy BSers and it challenges those with potential to do homework first, thus saving me time. Secondly it makes them appreciate when I do like something they recommend and compliment them on it. I pull no punches or praises.

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    37. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Dan541 · · Score: 1

      Security through Obscurity, that's my excuse.

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    38. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by kv9 · · Score: 1

      And make for damned sure that your network is documented.

      that's just as hillarious as commented code. haven't you people heard of job security?

    39. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Kingrames · · Score: 1

      The DM's dice shouldn't be weighted.

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    40. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by AllIGotWasThisNick · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      FSM needs no dice. It's got gigantic meatballs.

    41. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sometimes the only really efficient way to take care of a really intricate and dedicated task is to have one person do it all

      nonsense.

      How do you think the Armed Forces work? Sure they have a 'head' but he doesn't control every single soldier under him.

      You delegate and report up.

      The mongols would have the rule of 10, in that 1 person would be responsible for 10 underneath him and 10 of those people would be answerable to one above them and so on.

      It seemed to have worked...they took over a huge chunk of the planet this way (and that was just on horseback).

      I'd say that was an intricate and dedicated task slightly more complicated than running a WAN.

    42. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      True.

      So local governments allow anyone admin rights?

      Or do they have parallel systems that prevent random police officers from changing databases?

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    43. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Part of the problem is you are categorizing people in areas of "smartness". It seems more likely you fail to understand the role for the bosses. Most of the time that have far more to concern about then your petty IT project(s). While IT in companies is a growing priority however there are still other issues such as the primary service they are trying to give customer relations etc.... Even in a company that service is offering IT services. IT may be only 50% of the equation.

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    44. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Well that is how consultants normally work (I use to work as a consultant) as we know our value is supporting the existing IT staff not trying to replace it. However if you get these type of IT Guys who "know it all" and thinks he is irreplaceable and a consultant walks in with a suit and tie looking like one of those dumb bosses within a week they make heads and tails of the network documents it, makes recommendations on how to improve it. For that guy who "knew it all" just got spatted in the face with some humble pie. And he isn't happy as he went from being the king to looking like a dumb hack which he is. With management seeing the difference they may realize that they could get someone better then start looking.

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    45. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by dark_knight_ita · · Score: 1

      Cause all the Cool people are Chaotic Good. :)

      But you're forgetting NPCs, villains and monsters.

    46. Re:It will happen again, and continue to happen. by jackspenn · · Score: 1

      Perhaps you misunderstand, I wasn't talking about just IT. Reread my post I was talking about a problem or situation, it could be a firewall change or a plan to renegotiate the company's lease.

      I have to ask you this, question. Are you aware that not all people equally intelligent? If you believe they are, let me ask you this, do you believe all people are equally athletic?

      So why is it wrong to categorize people by intelligence?

      I worry you have been spoon feed to much politically correct BS, so let me just lay this fact out, "not all people are equal", nor would I want to be in a world where they are.

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  3. IT Best Practices... by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

    ...you're doing it wrong.

  4. Just waterboard the guy... by tjstork · · Score: 3, Funny

    I mean, really. What do we have now? The guy loses control, flips out, locks everyone out of the system, they are down for who knows how long as they bring in crackers and consultants and what not, and the guy goes to jail.

    But...

    If you just waterboard the guy, until he coughs up the password, the system's not down for really any longer than it takes a Windows Update to screw everything up, so you can just let the guy who locked you out walk, instead of putting him in jail or prison for who knows how long.

    Waterboard in this case would be simpler, safer, and better for everyone.

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    1. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by jayveekay · · Score: 1

      One reason for not using torture to gather information is that the information gathered is typically unreliable. That is people will say anything to make the pain stop, regardless of whether it is true or false.

      For password retrieval, where it is simple to verify the truthfulness of the response, that reason doesn't apply. So, I think your proposal has merit.

      Remind me never to take a sysadmin job. :)

    2. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Actually he did not do any damage and left the system in a safe state. Since there was no damage done, SF has no claim against him.

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    3. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by jeiler · · Score: 1

      Actually he did not do any damage and left the system in a safe state.

      A system that is one power-blink away from catastrophic failure with recovery specifically disabled is not in a "safe state." Though I quite accept that Childs was not malicious, he still screwed the pooch.

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    4. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by PunkOfLinux · · Score: 1

      Making it impossible to manage should something go wrong *is* a sort of damage, albeit intangible.

    5. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >Waterboard in this case would be simpler, safer, and better for everyone.

      Isn't there a small but significant number of torturees who will choose to allow themselves to be drowned rather than give up the password?

      And I wonder how effective waterboarding is on someone who has really been athletic and competitive in watersports, say, against a hardcore lifelong surfer? Someone who is already conditioned not to panic when they are upside down in a sea kayak while the gash on their head from hitting the lava rock is gushing out so much blood they can't see. (I've had that). I'm not convinced you could get information out of everyone by waterboarding, and I'm quite certain that now that it's known as a standard interrogation technique, intel communities condition their operatives to prepare for it. From waterboarding where do you go? Cutting off appendages and genitalia? Branding? And what happens when it becomes known that the city council used these techniques against an IT manager?

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    6. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by tjstork · · Score: 1

      Isn't there a small but significant number of torturees who will choose to allow themselves to be drowned rather than give up the password?

      Then, you cap the time and extent of the waterboarding so that the guy doesn't die, and he's looking at a year in jail.

      Someone who is already conditioned not to panic when they are upside down in a sea kayak while the gash on their head from hitting the lava rock is gushing out so much blood they can't see. (I've had that).

      See, here's the thing, in the case of waterboarding, they stuff a towel down your mouth and puff it up with water, so that, some water definitely enters the airways and it -always- triggers the drowning / death reflex. It's a very brutal thing, but, the damage tends to be more psychological then physical, if you live through the stress of the torture itself.

      From waterboarding where do you go? Cutting off appendages and genitalia? Branding? And what happens when it becomes known that the city council used these techniques against an IT manager

      Absolutely not. Waterboarding is actually worse in some ways than all of those things. If they don't talk after being waterboarded, they aren't going to talk at all.

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    7. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by antirelic · · Score: 1

      You really seem to be missing the point of waterboarding. In waterboarding, you do not drown the person. In waterboarding, you keep pushing that person to the point where they feel like they are drowning, and then bring them back up for air. You do not get the option to die. Your only option is to continuously revisit the sensation of dying.

      So you have to be more like "professional almost dying person" if you want to be able to defeat water boarding or other torture like tactics that keep you in the "dying" flux....

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    8. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      The system had been like that for quite some time; it's reasonable considering the level of physical security in branch offices.

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    9. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by celle · · Score: 1

      "Waterboard in this case would be simpler, safer, and better for everyone."

      And extremely illegal, quite a bit more illegal than anything childs did, slimey. You guys talk about the powers that be, well childs just aced them since he controls the machine. This seems more about control games and egos than anything else. The system works fine, the people are fucked, and they did it to themselves. He didn't flip out, they fucked with him and he fucked them back. If you think waterboarding is ok suffer it yourself, unethical ...

    10. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 1

      I mean, really. What do we have now? The guy loses control, flips out, locks everyone out of the system, they are down for who knows how long as they bring in crackers and consultants and what not, and the guy goes to jail.

      You should read the articles. It sounds like the Terry Childs's security policy, which his superiors and co-workers all knew about for a while, was to lock everyone except himself out of the routers. The city later hired a security officer, who pointed out the obvious risks in having one guy with all the passwords, so management pressed Terry for the passwords. Terry, thinking that management (or other incompetent fools) planned to do stupid things that would break the network, refused, and management then accused him of locking them out of the network, as if it was something new.

      From what I can tell, it might be nothing more than a simple case of bad management and insubordination causing huge problems. The criminal charges might well be tossed, though I'm sure there is civil liability somewhere on both sides.

    11. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      I fully expect that Childs has excellent grounds for a hefty defamation lawsuit.

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    12. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by jeiler · · Score: 1

      "Reasonable?" It's "reasonable" to deliberately gut your disaster recovery plan? If this fits your definition of "reasonable," then please allow me to forward your name and c.v. to my employer: I want to make sure that you are never, ever, hired or contracted for the company I work for in any position.

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    13. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      dumbass. What would you recommend for a branch office with an unsecured location where equipment can easily walk out the door? You lock it down so that physical access won't compromise the network. Power blips aren't an issue - the router won't lose its brains. The DR plan is to reload the config after the disaster is over.

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    14. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by jeiler · · Score: 1

      You're unaware that branch offices have locks, alarms, and/or security systems, and I'm the dumbass? I'm beginning to wonder if your sig is a critique of the government or an endorsement of Newspeak!

      First and foremost, your assertions that the routers that had been messed with were in "branch offices," or that branch offices were "unsecured locations," are assertions you've pulled out of your ass, not from even the most sympathetic news reports. You have no clue if these were peripheral units or core units, and you have no clue how secure these units were.

      Secondly, it appears (on further research that contradicts my earlier understanding) that Childs had not originally been the sole person with access: other administrators had access until Childs issued the password changes, and it appears that those changes were made in the hours or days just before he got fired.

      Like others here, I had originally thought that Childs may have just been an over-protective admin who made a few foolish decisions. The more facts that come out, however, the more this looks like mutiny, malfeasance, and deliberate sabotage. If it is as bad as I fear, then Childs deserves no sympathy from other people in the IT field: even in the best possible light, Childs made foolish decisions that put his employer at risk.

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    15. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      You're unaware that branch offices have locks, alarms, and/or security systems, and I'm the dumbass? I'm beginning to wonder if your sig is a critique of the government or an endorsement of Newspeak!

      Your standard office isn't secure. It keeps out burglars most of the time, but someone who wants to hack the city network can break in and steal a router. The steps he took prevent that attack.

      First and foremost, your assertions that the routers that had been messed with were in "branch offices," or that branch offices were "unsecured locations," are assertions you've pulled out of your ass, not from even the most sympathetic news reports.

      No, they're from sympathetic sources. Of course, doing it in all the routers implies he didn't trust his coworkers, and note that he did this with approval more than a year ago.

      it appears (on further research that contradicts my earlier understanding) that Childs had not originally been the sole person with access: other administrators had access until Childs issued the password changes, and it appears that those changes were made in the hours or days just before he got fired.

      I haven't seen anything that I trust to support that. I support the scenario where the admins monkeyed with the system and got locked out due to existing paranoid configs.

      The more facts that come out, however, the more this looks like mutiny, malfeasance, and deliberate sabotage.

      What sabotage? The network never went down. Everyone could do work. The only thing that happened is that they arrested a fired admin for not divulging a password and set an absurd bail. I don't see support for a $5m bail, and I predict that the city will be on the hook for about that much once this is all settled.

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    16. Re:Just waterboard the guy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you are mistaken. They are afraid (or at least claim to be afraid) that he might have backdoors, maybe even timebombs on the system. Even if they waterboard him and get one password, they could never be certain that they are safe, unless they wipe everything and start from scratch.
      So, to be even remotely safe, they would have to lock him up in a high security prison without any means of communication, but that doesn't protect them from timebombs.

  5. Here come the elephants. by Harmonious+Botch · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I forget who said that "an elephant is a mouse designed by a committee." Sure, you can get paranoid about network design and control, and give the job to a committee. But that is going to be really clumsy.

    The issue here really is not about size of the design team, it is about vetting the guy who does it. ( The guy who is in charge of the network for my business is someone who I really know and trust. He was best man at my wedding. )

    1. Re:Here come the elephants. by Spad · · Score: 4, Funny

      So he's going to change all your passwords *and* run off with your wife?

    2. Re:Here come the elephants. by KillerCow · · Score: 1

      The issue here really is not about size of the design team, it is about vetting the guy who does it. ( The guy who is in charge of the network for my business is someone who I really know and trust. He was best man at my wedding. )

      What happens when he is hit by a big red bus?

    3. Re:Here come the elephants. by daveywest · · Score: 1

      That's hardly a qualifier. It's not like your best man is holding the rope to keep you from falling into molten lava. My brother was my best man, but that doesn't mean I'll trust him with my money or lively hood.

    4. Re:Here come the elephants. by Zadaz · · Score: 1

      Now I have to get married to find an employee worth trusting?

    5. Re:Here come the elephants. by B5_geek · · Score: 1

      "an elephant is a mouse designed by a committee."

      The actual quote is: "A camel is a horse designed by a committee." And http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee Wiki attributes it to Vogue.

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    6. Re:Here come the elephants. by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      What happens when he is hit by a big red bus?

      I do think that may be a valid crossover point. IE my company provides life insurance of 2.5x salary. The IT I take care of (not my main job, but I am the only IT guy) could be completely re-done in a week for significantly less than 1x my annual salary, plus downtime of 0.5X my salary.

      Therefore if the death of the friend, and associated costs, is significantly higher than the cost of replacing the current un-documented work. Then that scenario shouldn't weigh heavily in the mind of the owner/manager.

      If replacing the undocumented work costs more, then you either need to pay the guy more, or get some more help on the project.

    7. Re:Here come the elephants. by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      It's not like your best man is holding the rope to keep you from falling into molten lava.

      The guy got married! Clearly, the best man wasn't holding the rope right. :)

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    8. Re:Here come the elephants. by Better.Safe.Than.Sor · · Score: 1

      Why, Terry Childs said it, right? Over and over and over . . .

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    9. Re:Here come the elephants. by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      I forget who said that "an elephant is a mouse designed by a committee." Sure, you can get paranoid about network design and control, and give the job to a committee. But that is going to be really clumsy.

      It depends on how the committee is set up. If the committee only has to sign off that they understand what the person is doing, could take over if necessary, and the person is not capable of being really evil (technically restricted from it), but not that the solution is well-designed or state of the art, then I think it could work./p.

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    10. Re:Here come the elephants. by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Wasn't it statistically shown that most people that get hit by a bus are very likely to survive and be just fine with little more than perhaps an overnight hospital visit?

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    11. Re:Here come the elephants. by darkmeridian · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It's about having the guy who knows everything to document it all.

      I used to be that guy who knew the entire project. I thought it was crucial for me to know everything, so I remembered everything. All the minutiae, I knew back and forth. No single person on the team had that breadth of knowledge. Thus, I was working all the time.

      Then I started to document everything in memos. I sent them around. I recorded everything. It took a whole bunch of time, but it was the best investment ever. I could delegate my work more effectively. There was a paper trail of everything, great records.

      Don't be that guy!

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    12. Re:Here come the elephants. by dkleinsc · · Score: 1

      So he's going to change all your passwords *and* run off with your wife?

      ... after killing your dog with a pickup truck, crashing the truck into your home and burns it to the ground. Then your boss fires you for coming in without a tie.

      Oh, sorry, I thought we were discussing country music.

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    13. Re:Here come the elephants. by Bandman · · Score: 1

      You don't happen to work at WalMart, do you?

    14. Re:Here come the elephants. by solarce · · Score: 1
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      I hope your pinto begins to spin...takes out a disabled vietnam veteran...

  6. The familiarity in this story isn't just the IT by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

    "Childs, an employee working for San Francisco's IT department, used his privileged access to lock everyone out of a crucial network for days."

    I wonder if it wasn't an intentional lockout, instead someone realized all of a sudden that Childs was numero uno and saying "GIVE ME THE CODES NOW!" and when he didn't someone had a hissy fit and took things very far very quickly instead of competently sitting down and talking with Childs fairly.

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    1. Re:The familiarity in this story isn't just the IT by SQLGuru · · Score: 1

      Did you not read any of the articles? Oh, wait, I'm on /. Basically the guy sees the writing on the wall and includes the password equivalent of a dead-man's switch......switch goes off and he's the only one with a key.

      Layne

    2. Re:The familiarity in this story isn't just the IT by The+Second+Horseman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Supposedly that's it, according to some of the articles. He thought a lot of the others were screw-ups, so he kept access to himself. Everyone seemed to know it, as well, right up to the top of the IT organization. A new security person was hired, and that person didn't like the situation (may have come up during some sort of review). They made a point of asking him for the passwords, which he interpreted as "hey, we want to screw up the network - you know, the one you feel really possessive about" and refused. Didn't seem to recognize the authority of whoever delivered the message (don't know if it was the new security person or not). They then sent the police after the apparent master criminal.

      Also, while they couldn't make configuration changes (that's what "locked out" meant apparently), the network continued to run, even without his intervention. So he might've been a doofus about this issue, and for all I know a total jerk with no people skills, but it sounds like (crazy access issue aside) he knew his job pretty well.

      I suspect the new security person (who for all we know is more of a policy person than a technical person) handled it badly on their end as well, and may have gone for a club (formal meetings, demands) when a lunch conversation might've done the trick. The guy shouldn't have held onto exclusive access, but it sounds like the security person didn't handle it well. Apparently, that individual now fears for their safety, which I suspect is either an overreaction or a further attempt to demonize Childs to make it seem like whatever actions taken are justified.

    3. Re:The familiarity in this story isn't just the IT by Bandman · · Score: 1

      Sounds like him being that possessive about his network is the issue.

      The right interview question could fix this

      Interviewer: That's great, Bob, you sound like an excellent candidate. Just one more question before we go.
      Pulls out a Cisco router
      Now Bob, what would you name this router?

      Bob: uhh..George?

      Interviewer: Right, thanks then, take care

    4. Re:The familiarity in this story isn't just the IT by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      ... which I suspect is either an overreaction or a further attempt to demonize Childs to make it seem like whatever actions taken are justified.

      Huh, sounds like a politician to me.

      --
      "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
  7. Not news to nerds by iamhigh · · Score: 4, Informative

    They claim that you should have more than one person that knows the password and configuation of the network. I work mainly in small-mid sized business; I have never heard of only one person knowing the password. In fact, the smaller the business, the more the owner wants to know the password (IME). Generally IT doesn't want $random_user to have the admin passwords. Also, everyone that has them is another person that can potentially "lock down" the system (see third para).

    The configuration? Well I am not real sure what they mean? Basic configs such as IP addreses and such have been documented at even the shoddiest implementations I have seen. Plus, if you know how to run that server, you probably know or can find and make changes to the "configuration". But if there is only one person at that company that knows that server/technology, well then there is probably only one person that knows the configuation! What should the accounting manager know how to run our servers?

    But the bigger issue is that in a SMB, and in my current positions, I could CHANGE THE PASSWORD!!! Doh, they forgot that you can do that!

    TFA goes on to say things about hiring an administrator and then an auditor for the admin. WTF? Never heard of this happening in my career. I do know the military uses these methods, but that makes sense for them. The average sign printing company (even a 200 employee company) can't do that.

    TFA highlights a situation that we all knew existed... and didn't even give a (reasonable) proposed solution.

    --
    No comprende? Let me type that a little slower for you...
    1. Re:Not news to nerds by GSMacLean · · Score: 2, Informative

      It happens. I was called in to try to rescue a small web shop's hosting business. The hosting business was a side business of the web design shop, with two web servers, a database server, and a mail server. All the hosting stuff was run by one guy, he was the only one who knew the passwords, and they unfortunately went with him when he died on the operating table. Five months later, when the increasingly unpatched servers started falling victim to attacks, they called me to try to fix the mess. Of course there were no backups, no way of retrieving anything. It was a mess.

    2. Re:Not news to nerds by antirelic · · Score: 1

      I've worked in plenty of positions that have a lot of over site and peer review. The problem is, the people performing the peer review, often rely on me to explain to them exactly what i did, and what the changes I made actually accomplish. This is not because the person is absolutely retarded, it has more to do with the fact that the position I occupy is a higher paying position, and the person doing the review... well... is not so well paying, thus a more junior (read as: less experienced) person.

      This here in is the problem. Unless your company is oozing with cash, there is a fairly good chance that your really talented senior tech person is going to be able to slide hundreds of back doors into the system that the auditors or the peer review teams are going to be unable to detect.

      I'm not sure if there is a real solution for this problem, as it exists in all industries from financial services (read as: enron, mci, etc.) to the medical industry. There will always be those who know and can take advantage of the majority of people who are not in the know.

      --
      20th century Marxism is not progress...
    3. Re:Not news to nerds by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      The problem is, the people performing the peer review, often rely on me to explain to them exactly what i did, and what the changes I made actually accomplish. This is not because the person is absolutely retarded, it has more to do with the fact that the position I occupy is a higher paying position, and the person doing the review... well... is not so well paying, thus a more junior (read as: less experienced) person.

      This is part of why you have peer reviews. It's so you can educate the PFYs in the ways of whatever you're building.

      --
      "We returned the General to El Salvador, or maybe Guatemala, it's difficult to tell from 10,000 feet"
    4. Re:Not news to nerds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you *are* high... Have you EVER had to configure a cisco router? You know, the key component in the system that this recent debacle is about? This isn't your stupid filesharing computer at your office, this is a huge system that uses arcronyms that I'll wager you've never heard of.

      If you "aren't sure what they mean" by configuration, maybe you should shut the hell up because you obviously aren't in any sort of position to evaluate what goes on in organizations of this size.

  8. You asked for it, you got it. by mrroot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you have already laid off everyone and downsized your IT department to so few employees, its kind of hard to avoid having a single person with so much power.

    --
    I Heart Sorting Networks
    1. Re:You asked for it, you got it. by ivanmarsh · · Score: 1

      Indeed.

      And... you wanna' know the best way to lose all your data and not no how it disappeared:
      Be careless with who you give you passwords to.

      Reminds me of a conversation I had with one of my ex-bosses:
      ME: I have complete access to everything on our network.
      BOSS: Then what keeps you from reading my e-mai?
      ME: Ethics.

      Unethical people do unethical things... this isn't an I.T. issue, it's an H.R. issue.

      I've always been the one or one of the very few people with omnipotent access of every system in the companies I've worked for and I've never had any issues like this anywhere I've worked.

    2. Re:You asked for it, you got it. by Bandman · · Score: 1

      It all goes back to this story from a while ago. Trust your IT people, after you hire the right people

  9. Opportunity for router vendors by markov_chain · · Score: 3, Funny

    Cisco should start selling Childs-proof routers! *rimshot*

    --
    Tsunami -- You can't bring a good wave down!
    1. Re:Opportunity for router vendors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://instantrimshot.com/

  10. Business Mad Libs by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, this is prevalent. Unfortunately, no, it has precious little to do with IT.

    This quote from TFA is quite true, but universally so. Let's play Business Mad Libs:

    "Single points of failure are always bad," said John Pescatore,
    an analyst at Gartner Inc. "There should never be one person who is
    the only person who knows ____ MISSION CRITICAL INFORMATION ____."
    Companies need to make sure there are at least two if not three people
    who share the knowledge of ____ BUSINESS PROCESS______. "As a minimum,
    require it to be documented and stored somewhere if personnel
    limitations say you can't have personnel with overlap," Pescatore said.

    Have fun playing the accounting, regulatory, legal, and R&D versions, just for warm-up.

    Now, if the business managers weren't smart enough to either know this applied to IT as well as their other divisions, or not smart enough to not recognize that that they needed outside advice on how to apply business rules to IT - well, you have to wonder how well the other parts of their businesses are running.

    --
    My God, it's Full of Source!
    OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
  11. its MANAGEMENT and CONTROL by JCOTTON · · Score: 0, Redundant
    Used to be, in the good ol days of IT, or Data Processing as we used to call it, that the programmer was king. The programmer basically decreed what could and could not be done with the computer system. He was the analyst, programmer, tester, implementer, and documentation writer. And maybe trained users too.

    Fast foreward to today

    Management has placed so many controls on the development process. Fer example, we need to get Business owner's approval for starting work, testing, and then before move to production. We are monitored constantly. We fill out Remedy tickets for each stage of development. We can not do "systems" stuff, like even compile our own programs. Really. Every compile, move, and test is monitored and recorded.

    Yep, management has certainly stepped in and taken control back.

    I've forgotten what the original article was...wait a minute... oh yeh.

    Anyway, I am thinking that the Frisco situation could not happen here. I am not afraid. But I really miss those days when I really had control of the development.

    1. Re:its MANAGEMENT and CONTROL by The+Dancing+Panda · · Score: 1

      You can't compile your own programs? Where the hell do you work?

      I'm in a CMMI-5 facility (The Process is God), and we compile our own programs. Do you mean compiling the final version to run in production? I guess we don't get to do that, the Tech Lead does (someone's got to...I would assume someone else would do it if she weren't here. It can't be all of us...). But if you can't compile your work, how do you find out if it works?

    2. Re:its MANAGEMENT and CONTROL by fishbowl · · Score: 1

      >But if you can't compile your work, how do you find out if it works?

      In some environments, knowing it works while still in the editor is what separates the men from the boys.

      --
      -fb Everything not expressly forbidden is now mandatory.
  12. This is silly by peipas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course there will be people in IT who have power, and of course that power can be abused.

    Somebody at a television network has the power to broadcast rocking horse porn if they want to as well and there is no time machine to unrock that horse.

    The articles hypes up one person being able to abuse power as if it were unique to IT and suggests a remedy that more than one person should have this power, as if this had any bearing on anything, e.g. the ability for the abuser to simply revoke access to others. What, somebody else should be assigned the exclusive ability to revoke? Then that person is the potential abuser. This is silly.

    1. Re:This is silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many people in IT /do/ have the power to cause significant damage to their network? How often does this occur?

      Gotta love the media. Something with a small probability happens and we need to jump to correct the issue.

    2. Re:This is silly by RManning · · Score: 1

      Not to be too a puritan here, but what the hell is rocking horse porn?

    3. Re:This is silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      is that rocking-horse porn or rocking horse-porn?

    4. Re:This is silly by Bandman · · Score: 1

      I took it the first way, but both scare the hell out of me

    5. Re:This is silly by tirerim · · Score: 1

      Right. The only way around this is to have some complicated system with at least three admins, each of whom only has the power to revoke access for one of the others (or some number less than all the rest of them, for n > 3). Only a very paranoid and very bureaucratic organization is even going to think of going to the trouble of setting something like that up, though.

  13. What "incident"?? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apparently, a bunch of idiot managers realized all of a sudden that they had GIVEN one person control over a major network, and tried to seize back control. Also apparently, he did not trust them to keep it running properly. (And also apparently, rightly so.)

    So where is the "incident"?? What did he do wrong?

    By law he might have done "wrong" by not relinquishing the passwords immediately. But by the people of San Francisco, he may have saved them a lot of trouble and headaches. So, he was faced with a dilemma: obey the law, or do the right thing.

    Sad.

    1. Re:What "incident"?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And you would be exactly right. You can't trust idiots (Managers) with the keys to a network. Next thing you know, stuff is all screwed up and you're working overtime to fix something no one will fess up to fucking up. Better to not give up the password.

    2. Re:What "incident"?? by red4 · · Score: 1

      That's what I took from this as well, very sad. from what I've read about this, I can understand Mr. Child's motivation for not giving up the passwords but he should have anyway. It's not his network, this is just a job and certainly not worth going to jail over.

    3. Re:What "incident"?? by AllIGotWasThisNick · · Score: 1

      . It's not his network, this is just a job and certainly not worth going to jail over.

      Maybe not to you, but to him, obviously so. See the ACM code of ethics, Section 1.2. It's pretty similar to any professional code of ethics, really.

    4. Re:What "incident"?? by celle · · Score: 1

      Which law? They fired him first so they blew it. All their proving is that they can make up the law to conform to their needs which proves the local government is out of control. The bail is definitely an example of that. They are just proving that they can fuck with you any time they want. Get the message SF public or you may be next, of course, maybe that was the eventual intention and childs stopped it. Kiss our ass or go to prison, sounds kind of dictatorlike to me.

    5. Re:What "incident"?? by Bandman · · Score: 1

      argh.

      You are hired to be a systems administrator. That's NOT just the guy who plugs in the wires. You maintain the system. All aspects of the system, including documentation. There's no room, and no place, for an ego trip. Documentation is a part of the job, so do it.

      Also a part of the job is making disaster recovery plans. One of the possible disasters is you getting hit by a bus. You've got to make plans for that. Make sure someone can take over for you if you're gone. Being afraid that you'll be replaced is a bullshit copout.

    6. Re:What "incident"?? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Argh 2.

      You are hired to be a systems administrator. Your job is to design the WHOLE network and make it work. Your staff and co-workers lack competence, and many of them got laid off in the latest IT reduction fad. You do not have time for documentation! Yes, it is part of your job but you are kept too busy doing the MAIN part of your job, which is to design the network and make sure that the damned thing works.

      How is that criminal? Apparently you work for clients or a company that give you plenty of time and leeway to produce documentation. While I agree with you that it is part of doing a responsible job, employers do not always allow people to do a responsible job... and this appears to be one of those cases.

    7. Re:What "incident"?? by Arterion · · Score: 1

      I have been the sole IT employee of a small business for over two years now. I basically do Systems Admin. stuff as well as working on their internal software.

      I've tired to stress over and over again I need to do documentation and disaster recovery planning, but it gets ignored. They are more interested in asking for a new button on a form somewhere, that doesn't really even do what they want it to, because they won't just come to me with requirements, and let me figure out the best implementation.

      I know this is a small business, but I can't imagine that this is a unique mindset for management. I really feel for the guy.

      --
      "That which does not kill us makes us stranger." -Trevor Goodchild
    8. Re:What "incident"?? by Arterion · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I think at some point, you're hired to keep the network running. That means it's your responsibility. If they wanted him to hand the keys to some shmuck, he KNEW he'd be responsible to fix whatever the other guy screwed up, and he knew it would be his ass on the line for the problems.

      Businesses want to pin responsibility on IT people, but don't want to give them they power to back it up.

      --
      "That which does not kill us makes us stranger." -Trevor Goodchild
  14. Not qualified to comment. by Shaitan+Apistos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Whenever I register for a site where my email address is my username, the password I use happens to be the same password that I use for my email account.

    With that in mind, I'm going to go ahead and not express any opinions on security.

    1. Re:Not qualified to comment. by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess I'll stop re-directing your netflix movies, and start checking your bank account...

  15. You say potato... by mweather · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You call it dangerous, I call it job security.

    1. Re:You say potato... by celle · · Score: 1

      In this psychopathic backstabbing country and especially these economic times its definitely job security.

    2. Re:You say potato... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I didn't read the article (shocking, i know) but I think there is a fine line between holding on to some knowledge/control for yourself and utterly refusing to give up the passwords. In fact, password level control is like a hammer and everything looks like a nail.

      It is far better to have some undocumented processes in your head that would be very difficult to replicate. When asked for documentation you say you're working on it until the person asking forgets about it. If REALLY pressed then you give a one pager full of technical terms that make no sense. Your manager won't want to admit s/he does not understand it.

      I used to think the best way to go was the be open and to share everything but that is naive. If you have worked hard on a project it makes perfectly logical sense to hold on to key portions of the process only in your own head. Eventually EVERY employer will be tempted to screw you in one way or another. If they know you hold a few key processes in your head they are far less likely to try to mess with you without a really good reason. Meaning that some new asshat VP won't just fire you because he is having a bad day. That shit happens all the time and if you've carefully documented everything then you're defenseless.

      They may still fire/fuck with you but they'll only do so for a damn good reason (not just because there was a bad quarter or you were caught reading 4chan on the job).

  16. This is the best way, anyways.. by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 0, Redundant

    When you do teamwork, everyone has some of the knowledge, and no one has a big, overall picture. That model doesn't work for a network.

    Although, what if terry childs had died suddenly.. like, from a heart attack, or a very fast onset of diabetes, or choking on a donut? It doesn't make sense for a manager to give complete freedom to IT to the point where IT doesn't even have to stay with well known (to management) passwords!

    1. Re:This is the best way, anyways.. by Aphoxema · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Heheh... heh... it's kind of funny... you can't network people to work on a network.

      --
      "Most people, I think, don't even know what a rootkit is, so why should they care about it?"
  17. Here's a simple solution... by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's called Seperation of Duties.

    1. Re:Here's a simple solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a) that doesn't work in ANY small and probably most medium sized businesses

      b) how do you separate password changes?

      Yes you could and should, if you have the man power, separate stuff out so the same person doesn't have the keys to the servers and the network gear. Better yet, if you're of the size and have the man power several people have keys, each to different servers and parts of the network so no one person can lock out the entire thing. That's ideal, but far from possibly in any small business, I doubt it's possibly in many medium sized businesses (I know it's not at our company) and possibly unlikely in some large businesses.

    2. Re:Here's a simple solution... by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 2, Insightful

      a) that doesn't work in ANY small and probably most medium sized businesses

      Small business,no, but then again most small business's, if they do have a network, is well small and not a big deal. I used to setup networks for small companies, most are ad hoc, no dedicated server types, where everyone has admin privileges. A medium size company should be able to do it. As long as you another IT person you can separate the duties amongst them. Hell, I'm one of just four InfoSec people and we share all responsibilities and admin rights.

    3. Re:Here's a simple solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, we have the same thing here. But anyone of you (or us) can lock down the entire system the same way this guy did. There is no perfect solution. Anyone person who can change passwords can screw up either the entire company or their section of the company they have control over.

      In the end it comes down to requiring complete trust to the people running your network. Even if you had "audit" people like the military supposedly does from what I've read, you're still at least one step behind the person able to make the changes. Sure you'd get caught, but if you wanted to screw something up, you still could.

      Unless your system has in place a mechanism so that Jim creates accounts and Joe has to push OK to enable the account or Joe can change a password but Jim has to push OK to enable the actual change there is no getting around the ability of a network admin being able to screw the company, city, county, etc over. I have yet to see a system like that. Routers, Windows, Linux, et al don't support anything like that that I've seen. If the person can change passwords the change is immediate and isn't forced through some sort of red-tape.

    4. Re:Here's a simple solution... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Actually, as per your link, it's Separation of Duties. It's even in your URL. *golfclap*

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    5. Re:Here's a simple solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ~If you regurgitate what's said in a book, no need to reply~

      Does Wikipedia count?

    6. Re:Here's a simple solution... by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

      Unless your system has in place a mechanism so that Jim creates accounts and Joe has to push OK to enable the account or Joe can change a password but Jim has to push OK to enable the actual change there is no getting around the ability of a network admin being able to screw the company, city, county, etc over. I have yet to see a system like that. Routers, Windows, Linux, et al don't support anything like that that I've seen. If the person can change passwords the change is immediate and isn't forced through some sort of red-tape.

      I agree, nothings perfect but if you implement something like TACACS or a RADIUS SSO server, you can have a centralized authentication and prevent handing over full control to IT personnel. and both servers have multiple User roles so one can make the account and another can enable it or disable it.

    7. Re:Here's a simple solution... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how did you manage to spell the link right but not the title of it?

    8. Re:Here's a simple solution... by ZonkerWilliam · · Score: 1

      No excuses, wasn't paying attention.I just ask you over look it and look at the meaning of what I'm saying....

  18. ... and it isn't even illegal. by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

    And the best part? Cracking could be illegal, according to the DCMA. Waterboarding? Its legal!

  19. Opportunities abound! by PC+and+Sony+Fanboy · · Score: 1

    You mean... with those stupid lids? The ones I can't get off to save my life?

    I guess they could use those annoying screws to secure the lids ... but then it is only childs-proof until he orders some online!

  20. HA! by Splab · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As if it's ITs fault. Most companies I've worked at I have pointed this very situation out and usually get overruled based on the cost of doing it "right".

    (It isn't enough to have several people with the password, you need to know how to recover if you lose total communication with the guy responsible - ig. died.)

    Also it isn't just IT. Last months pay got delayed at my company, which really shouldn't happen since KPMG is responsible for taking care of payments for our company. The reason? The lady responsible for authorizing the transfer was the only one with the passwords to do so, and she was in labor.

    1. Re:HA! by sdhughes · · Score: 1

      Also it isn't just IT. Last months pay got delayed at my company, which really shouldn't happen since KPMG is responsible for taking care of payments for our company. The reason? The lady responsible for authorizing the transfer was the only one with the passwords to do so, and she was in labor.

      Really? Did her manager not notice her getting huge and start to plan ahead?

      Watch for more tasks to be outsourced at your company with management like that.

      First rule of running a business: don't screw up payroll.

    2. Re:HA! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read my post again, this was KPMG who screwed up the payroll, this is one of the largest accounting companies in the world.

  21. A Lesson from Star Wars by jackspenn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Some people on /. think it is best to have one knowledgeable person with all the information so that confidential information is not leaked or changes made without the lead guy being aware.

    Others think of the bus rule, what happens if the guy who knows everything about mission critical infrastructure components gets hit by a bus?

    That is why I have taken a page from the Sith Lord Darth Bane and apply the rule of two. When I build a network I teach and train one apprentice. Then if they suck I fire them and hire a replacement, but if they are good, when I get bored and decided to move on, I feel confident they can take on a apprentice themselves.

    It is neat, clean and simple, better still it doesn't have the rules and complexity of Jedi type systems requiring me to check in docs to a source control system, report changes to managers what don't understand, have managers that don't understand sign-off on things they don't understand and avoid dumb rules like not being able to train techs that appear to old, etc.

    Yeh, if you ask me the Republic, I mean Network as a whole is best off with Sith types in charge versus bureaucratic Jedi types.

    --
    Respect the Constitution
    1. Re:A Lesson from Star Wars by mindstrm · · Score: 1

      Actually.. that's remarkably great advice.

    2. Re:A Lesson from Star Wars by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      I have given out our "master" passoword, and I don't understand what the problem is with other people doing it. The President has 1/3 of the password, the HR director has 1/3, and the lawyer has 1/3, all locked in seperate fireproof safes, in seperate buildings. If things really go bad, or I get hit by a truck, the three of them can get together, and get the password, and give it to my replacement...

      --

      What are we going to do tonight Brain?
    3. Re:A Lesson from Star Wars by jackspenn · · Score: 1

      See this is the Jedi BS that I am talking about.

      I can just see it now ...

      So a lawyer, an HR director and the company President get together after hearing their IT director is dead. Carefully removing their password fragments from their respective safes they reconstruct the passwords to the companies network and systems so that they can ... What ...

      Great so they can get into the CISCO router, but do they know if all 5 VPN tunnels are still needed or what ports must be open for that accounting app to phone home you promised would be setup next week? Great they have the Domain Admin password? What nightly jobs have to run, what accounts are being used to run services on each of the umteenth DB and App servers?

      Trust me my way is way better. Plus if you ever change the password you will have to pay the lawyer for half an hour to open his safe and replace it with the new one.

      Plus how does that protect the company from you? With two people in the know, their is balance, if I were to go to the dark side and start mumbling "I will teach them" my apprentice can alert management, and get rid of me when the time is right. But when management have a password and the IT guy goes bad, well then they have 1/3 of a worthless phrase.

      --
      Respect the Constitution
    4. Re:A Lesson from Star Wars by Eristone · · Score: 1

      of course giving the President 12, the HR director 34 and the Lawyer 56...

  22. The Childs story stinks like five day old fish by 99luftballon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The more I see on this case the more I think Childs is being set up as a scapegoat. The guy built the networking side from scratch and it seems management were happy with him running it with sole admin rights. Then a new admin comes in and he freaks out and gets overprotective. And a $5 million bail? Murderers don't get that much.

    1. Re:The Childs story stinks like five day old fish by dafz1 · · Score: 1

      Something tells me that Mr. Childs will be getting $5 mil. from the city of SF after he's exonerated.

    2. Re:The Childs story stinks like five day old fish by TRRosen · · Score: 1

      The city will be lucky to get out of this for only 5 million.

    3. Re:The Childs story stinks like five day old fish by celle · · Score: 1

      It's just a control game. He doesn't trust them with something he built and they intend to prove that he's a peon. The normal government crap to keep people down. I hope childs generates enough stink to get attention on the upper shitheads that started this.

  23. uhhh, a wall safe? by ag3ntugly · · Score: 0

    I totally agree that there should always be 1 person holding all the keys, and that they should give them out as needed, and at thier discretion. However, you also need insurance. How about keeping a manilla envelope, with important admin passwords and configuration info, locked in a wall safe that only the admin and a trusted keeper (say a manager, or a college) know the combination to. If the admin goes bonkers, sure they can change the passwords and you're screwed, but you can't really prepare for the onset of batshiat-crazy, but if the admin gets hit by a bus, his boss can open the safe, break the seal on the envelope, and minimize the damage done by losing the admin.

    I know you shouldn't write passwords down, but there's a difference between a sticky note under a keyboard and a sealed envelope in a safe someplace.

    --
    i have a roll of electrical tape.
    1. Re:uhhh, a wall safe? by ag3ntugly · · Score: 0

      s/college/collegue

      --
      i have a roll of electrical tape.
  24. SF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else read that as "SourceForge Not an Exception In Giving IT Too Much Control" ?

  25. There is no evidence of that... by argent · · Score: 1

    Basically the guy sees the writing on the wall and includes the password equivalent of a dead-man's switch.

    Not according to insiders. He had *always* had the routers configured to clear when someone tried to guess the password, long before any of this started. Why he did this, I don't know... it seems extreme to me but for some networks it's probably appropriate... it IS a standard configuration in the routers. It sounds like someone or something convinced him that this was "best practices" for security, so that's what he did.

    1. Re:There is no evidence of that... by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

      Maybe just almost-rational paranoia to keep someone from breaking into the network at some location to get confidential information... even though if someone has physical access to the router they've already gotten close enough.

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  26. Lord of the Passwords! by failedlogic · · Score: 0

    I elect to become the Lord of the Passwords.

    Lord of the Passwords! ??? Profit. Definitely.

    Why? To enhance my resume and make me rich.

    Why? Simply, its the ultimate backup to the getting hit by a bus. If you and the VP/President who are trusted password holders are hit by a bus, how will your company survive? I will not go outside. No bus will ever hit me.

    Make your legacy count for something. Don't let your work go to waste. Hire me today!

  27. When microsoft goes bad? by wattrlz · · Score: 1

    Hmmm, What were the 80s and 90s like?

  28. CP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Terry Childs hijacked the network so he could traffic Childs porn without legal repercussion. Look it up.

  29. begging for attention by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Some people work in an environment where you can't pass on the knowledge even with considerable effort. No-one wants to know. And when you do give people the passwords they really don't get kept safely. No-one documents the abuses that did not happen because Childs kept the passwords to himself and they did not wind up in a spreadsheet on a central file server that anyone can access. There seems to be no middle ground here - one must either keep the password to ones self or post it on facebook.

    2) This case was notable because his mgmt did not have the passwords. But when someone goes psyco it's the fact that they have the password that's the problem. Giving passwords to more people means more potential psycos have access

  30. Can't sell trust. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I am apart of a SMALL IT firm. We run into this ALL the time.

    We have run into clients who's own domain name is not owned by them but their support staff that purchased it. When the service provider is fired due to breach of contract or SLA, they often take the name down until the final invoice is received. This is often in dispute because the last month of work has many extras. Their domain name is held hostage!

    We both hold to the same worldview which allows us to have full trust of each other and our clients trust us. We have access to each other's email and passwords for work related stuff.

    Whenever we get a new client, we examine all their records and make sure we have passwords to everything. We give the client everything and alert them to any changes.

    You can't sell trust, but clients know it or learn it.

  31. The Moment of Truth: Guantanamo by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1
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    1. Re:The Moment of Truth: Guantanamo by david.peace · · Score: 1

      faux network has sunk to a new low....

  32. Why can't the people in charge... by wattrlz · · Score: 1

    ...take five minutes to learn enough about the system to notice when something's going wrong? Anybody who has access to a big, important system like this has power. The problems arise when only one person knows enough about what he's doing to actually use it.

  33. What is it with government IT management? by walterbyrd · · Score: 1

    Has anybody else noticed that these reports of gross IT mis-management are almost always government related?

    I think there was another story on slashdot, a while back about some guy who accidentally deleted one billion dollars worth of records, and there was no backup. When I was in Florida, there was some scandal about the state spending millions on this new welfare computer system, and the entire thing was borked, so they hired the same company to fix it, and the company borked it again.

    Sure, we laugh at the corporate PHBs, but a lot of government IT management seems to make Dilbert's world seem efficient, by contrast.

    1. Re:What is it with government IT management? by Shados · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats because only the government related ones concern the public. This stuff happens all the time in the private sector. However, private companies can die, the government cannot (as much as some people around here would like it to)

    2. Re:What is it with government IT management? by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      What about the companies the government won't let die?

      *cough* airlines *cough*

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    3. Re:What is it with government IT management? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Has anybody else noticed that these reports of gross IT mis-management are almost always government related?

      That's because corporate IT mis-management is considered a trade secret and thus highly guarded information.

    4. Re:What is it with government IT management? by DragonWriter · · Score: 1

      Has anybody else noticed that these reports of gross IT mis-management are almost always government related?

      Internal government disputes are much more likely to become public, as (1) violations of policy are more likely to be subject to criminal prosecution and other legal sanction, and (2) public entities are frequently covered by policies that require or protect disclosure, whereas private entities typically have policies which restrict disclosure, and any settlement of a dispute will typically involve even stronger protections against disclosure. Additionally, public entities often have a diversity of people in positions to conduct at least some oversight functions, to whom disclosures are practically mandatory.

      So, in short, you hear a lot more about this in government, because what goes on in government is, on the whole, and by design a lot more visible to outsiders than what goes on in businesses.

  34. That's not all they're asking for by Nymz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everyone knows the name of Terry Childs, but how many people know the name of the manager(s) in charge, the ones responsible (or negligent) for letting this situation continue until it got to this point.

    "You asked for it, you got it." and you are spot on because if they don't correctly assess this current situation, and assign blame to the deserving names, then they are only 'asking for it' to happen again and again.

    1. Re:That's not all they're asking for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but if you RTFA you would have known that the Manager was *NEW*.

      SHE also apparently conducted a black (or stealth) audit of his systems and was upset about them. This (probably) caused her to then demand the passwords to review further the systems, and things escalated out of control.

      I've been involved in a few NON stealth audits where we practically had to prove through difficult means to the auditor (who WAS an idiot) that the way we did things was the only way that they could be done given the environment. I can't imagine a stealth audit, they might falsely accuse me of incompetence and attempt to fire me (sound similar?).

      Me, I'd just send the manager an email stating the passwords and that I would not be doing any updates or maintenance on any systems for the next 15 days. Let the system blow up on them. A new manager would then be fired, and more trust would be given to you as a result.

    2. Re:That's not all they're asking for by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Let the system blow up on them. A new manager would then be fired

      It rarely works that way. The person that sets up the system is often blamed instead of those that break it - doubly so if they are no longer on the scene.

      The ideal in a small group is to have the passwords available to someone that puts the welfare of the company first and knows enough to never use them themselves. If they need to they can hire a consultant or replacement and give them the passwords.

      Giving the passwords to people with some minor computer skills but no sense of responisibility is a mistake that you can only make once per job. Sadly those that misuse the information can sometimes do it more than once and cost more than one other person's job.

    3. Re:That's not all they're asking for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, they probably fucked this guy Childs over, but good!

      (& doubtless, in the typical "he won't even see it coming" hidey-ho deceitful mgt. scumbag way that is prevalent the world over, but especially in the USA, & in times of hardship, which face it guys - it is 'hard times in the land of plenty' because of the idiots running our businesses and nation the past 10 yrs. now or so, via wars, stock ripoffs, mismanagment, & huge blunders (like wars))

      Child no doubt said to himself "well, I do know it's coming, & time to 'fuck you back'" - this is what I recall, the fact he knew he was going to be terminated (am I wrong here? Correct me if so, thanks) from what I have read about it!

      However - let's face it: The GOLDEN RULE is, "he who has the gold makes the rules" & I don't trust much about this story from the press, & mainly because most of what I see has been very very 1 sided!

      I have yet to hear Childs' side of the story (the truth of it, not what is being used in courts or in the presses).

      In the end? Ha! Good for him I say - sorry, but we've all seen people we know, maybe including ourselves/yourselves, get screwed over by "the man".

      So, I figure, it's about time this kind of thing started happening, because he is just a first, I am sure of it, or the first one we know about.

      IS/IT/MIS guys are being used as slaves anyhow in this country, due to mgt. scumbag outsourcing, which takes away even the slave level pay jobs.

      Does the government stop it? NO.

      Now, by way of comparison - Did the government stomp on the airtraffic controllers union before though, under Reagan? Yes.

      So - Even IF we had organized unions, the gov't. is, let's face this too, OWNED by money. They'd burn that too, for the 'rich man'.

      (Because, after all, let's face this fact too - In the USA, we truly have, "the best politicians, money truly CAN buy")

      I mean, for example:

      Didn't this Child's guy have his job & do it well, for many many years (if not a decade or so iirc)? Why fire him then??

      Ask yourselves that, first, before judging this guy!

      ("Judge not lest ye be judged", I say, as the famous saying goes).

      See, personally, I find it difficult to believe the "guy just snapped".

      Most people in this field are intelligent & sane folks (Hans Reiser, no offense intended Linux folks, I am NOT sure about though @ this point), that are usually very left-brained rational types, & though I am no psychologist/psychiatrist etc., I think most of them are fairly stable people, & not prone to 'flipping out', at least not for no good reason.

      There is a lot more to this than we are hearing people. People do not react that way, unless wronged imo, & Child's present story? I don't believe it either really, especially considering I seem to recall he somehow got wind of his being up for firing, though he did a great job over many years for San Francisco.

      Heh, knowing that town? He probably forgot to blow the mayor, since it is the homosexual capitol of the United States (Atlanta coming in @ #2).

  35. IT is at its core arcane and requires *trust* by mlwmohawk · · Score: 1

    The administrators *need* access to the highest level of security. Maybe software and operating systems as a whole need to be rebuilt in the shape of a military complex where sensitive access does not have to be granted to the builders.

    But, hey, even the builders see the vaults before they are used.

  36. this is amazing how? by BlueZombie · · Score: 1

    I'd guess that 99.999% of problems like this are not malicious. It just happens through neglect, short budgets, tight deadlines, and attrition. Until you wake up one day and they tell you that Bob got hit by a bus last night and we absolutely have to get the forecast report fixed by 08:00 AM for Mr Johnston's breakfast meeting with the CEO or HEADS WILL ROLL. But now, some guy finally did what many of us have joked about. And so there will be PHB's around the world in a panic for fear that their quiet, abused little drones might turn on them. Wo while they are taking a moment to burn off a donut or two, here's an idea for them to contemplate. Don't give your workers a reason to hate you.

  37. Hire enough people to do the job right by SABME · · Score: 1

    This is a question of management not hiring enough people to do things right. What happens if the one guy who knows everything goes on vacation? If he never went on vacation, no one would say boo because, in our warped culture, having a desire to do anything but work around the clock is somehow abnormal.

  38. Less control... how about more staff? by phorm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seems to me that in many cases, the IT department may be rather grossly understaffed (either in terms of # of staff, or # of experienced staff).

    Many places I've worked end up with a Lord-of-all-IT situation simply because they haven't got anyone who can replace him* or back him up, or weren't willing to pay for backup/additional/experienced staff.

    * male gender used for convenience purposes.

    1. Re:Less control... how about more staff? by AeroIllini · · Score: 1

      * and accuracy.

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    2. Re:Less control... how about more staff? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      * male gender used for convenience purposes.

      It's OK - he/his/him is both the masculine and neuter form in English. They collapsed many centuries ago.

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    3. Re:Less control... how about more staff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or weren't willing to pay for backup/additional/experienced staff.

      I think that is the biggest reason why these sort of personal IT fiefdoms are setup. In the places I've worked what usually happens is that the responsibilities among two or three network administrators are shared until one or two leave for other job opportunities or whatever. Management, always looking to save some money, doesn't fill the vacant position and instead just expects the remaining administrators to add to their workload. This goes on for awhile until another admin leaves, and the one that's left is carrying all the workload. He's working long hours, on call almost 24-7, and basically comes to feel that he's indispensable because, at this point, he is. Management eventually gets clued to the idea that relying on one guy to keep your network infrastructure running isn't a good thing. But instead of hiring at least 1 another admin to fill one of the two vacancies, the look to spread the workload around to junior staff members without a compensatory bump in their wages. Of course this is resisted by the junior IT staff since from their point of view, it means that they have increased responsibility, increase worktime and on-call duty, all without extra pay. And even if you get a junior staff member to take all that on as the backup admin, pretty soon he's going to leave with the newly acquired skillset he got when he was trained to perform admin duties.

    4. Re:Less control... how about more staff? by Burning1 · · Score: 1

      Many places I've worked end up with a Lord-of-all-IT situation simply because they haven't got anyone who can replace him* or back him up, or weren't willing to pay for backup/additional/experienced staff.

      Or because they can't afford to have him properly document everything, or take the time to produce a reliable network, rather than a patchwork of hack jobs...

    5. Re:Less control... how about more staff? by phorm · · Score: 1

      In that case they can't afford to have him leave to a new job, or get sick, or suffer from an accident. Unfortunately for them, there's little they can do about most of those situations, and chances are they they can afford to hire somebody else to help with those other little tasks.

  39. Banks deal with this by mlwmohawk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One of my first jobs was a bank teller. Our passwords were sealed in an envelop, which we initialed, and locked in a vault which needed two keys to open.

    If the two officers needed my password, they'd open the vault, open the envelope, breaking my seal (letting me off the hook of responsibility).

    IT has to learn from banks.

    1. Re:Banks deal with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      What would happen if you changed the passwords to be different from those in the envelope and didn't tell anyone ?

      I've never seen any password control interface which requires two people to hit the enter key.

    2. Re:Banks deal with this by Viperpete · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The military does the same thing for all essential passwords, key codes, lock combinations and physical keys. Though, instead of keys we used multi-combination safes (with adjustable combinations) with two people each having combos and one officer/manager that opens the relevant sealed envelope with the others as witnesses.

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    3. Re:Banks deal with this by AeroIllini · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The problem was not that he was the only one with access, although that is an issue in small IT departments. No, the problem was that he had enough access to change all the other administrators' passwords. Lots of people had access to the systems, and there were probably procedures in place to name a successor in the event that Childs was fired or hit by a bus. Instead, Childs changed everyone else's password and locked them out.

      The only way to protect against that type of an attack is to make the Administrator-level access much more fine-grained. One admin should not be able to change other admins' passwords. In practice, that might take the form of a global login server (with appropriate backups) that is not under the control of the admins, or maybe a good SELinux-style setup. The idea is to never have a "global root" role, but instead break it down into "config root" (for admins) and "access root" (for people who administer user accounts and such).

      This is obviously much harder in smaller setups who might not have the personnel to split things up that way.

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    4. Re:Banks deal with this by Feyr · · Score: 1

      what would have happened if you changed your password, and being an admin, every other admin's password, then took off and hid in the carribeans?

      there is no perfect solution to the trust problem. not in today's softwares anyway.

      i could see having a "master key" composed of two parts of an rsa key (ive seen a system with something similar, and you're right,a bank software) which encode a master password that can ONLY be used to change the admin password, and cannot be changed by any other means. lock THAT in the safe when the system is installed and never think about it ever again

      but really, who would even remember about it if you ever needed it? then you'd need a TPM module to insure it cannot be simply corrupted from the OS and all other sorts of protections...

      that's expensive, and no one wants to pay for security

    5. Re:Banks deal with this by Fulcrum+of+Evil · · Score: 1

      Lots of people had access to the systems

      No they didn't. They hadn't had access to the routers for a year or more.

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    6. Re:Banks deal with this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are these passwords for computer systems? I like the idea, but what about password expiration? Many places expire passwords every so often...

  40. None Of This Is The Issue.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an "Atlas Shrugged" issue.

    There is no problem with IT security, or "one person having too much control" in this situation, but I'm sure every two-bit security "consultant" and trade magazine will love to sell you services and software to secure your network. The issue here is when you strip an organization of all of it's value and hire people that are sub-par in skills and general morality, you get this result.

    This guy took the actions he did to stop a corrupt and incompetent management from doing more damage to the city of San Francisco.

    I don't agree with his actions, but I certainly understand what produces this kind of frustration.

    Just like Ayn Rand writes, when the power fails finally, and some corporate frigtard comes waving a lot of money for me to help analyze the situation and get it running again, count me in with "NO.". I'll be very happy on my self-sustaining farm with other people that are tired of technology-wannabees with CFO's behind them that are paid large bonuses to cut IT costs as much as possible.

    The issue here is the never ending cycle of people who don't know IT, running IT, based on counting money instead of calculating value reaching for that which is corrupt and foul when their short-sighted schemes fall down.

    These management frigtards need to go back to school to learn what value is instead of worshipping the damn dollar, euro, or whatever.

  41. They should rename this article by CorporateSuit · · Score: 1

    "Master Blaster owns Bartertown."

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  42. It depends on who the "one person" is by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It really depends on who the "one person" is. Committees rarely design good crypto algorithms or protocols, for example. On the other hand, if you just pick the "one person" at random, you risk picking the wrong person.

    I guess it's sort of like picking a dictator. If you pick the right person, and hold that person accountable, they will get things done more efficiently than a committee. If you pick the wrong person, they will get the wrong things done more efficiently than a committee.

  43. Replacements? by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know people in various industries who consider obscure hacks, lack of documentation, etc "job security."

    To me, being the guy who can do it all is great for job security, but the flip-side is that if you're the *only* guy that can handle things... sure, you're semi-irreplacable, but that applies equally to being fired as when you want to take a day off or holiday. Personally, I prefer work-competence as a reason for not being fired, and documentation/standardization as a way to ensure that somebody else can back me up when I want to take a few weeks off (real time off, as in not near a computer and not "on call" with a pager/cellphone going off in my pants pocket next to the pool).

    1. Re:Replacements? by Bandman · · Score: 1

      Amen. The number of comments on this thread that are along the lines of "What did he do that was wrong?" are disheartening, and make me really worry for when I have to hire a backup admin.

  44. Human Intervention by aarenz · · Score: 1

    I doubt that there is a system, besides firing a nuclear weapon, that is able to be configured so that two people always have to agree to a system change. The top level account on any system, network or device will always have the powere to change all other passwords or disable them and then walk away. This is a common item at any time a person is involved. The issue of when a person will snap and if they should be trusted can be examined, but that is not a perfect science since the person may have a problem in their personal life that makes them go over the edge.

    All computers would run perfectly forever if they had not users(carbon based units) using them and programming them.

    There are ways to create systems and methods to recover from an incedent like that, but since they are fairly rare, the cost/benefit/probability of the risk is hard to sell to management.

    Bottom line is absolute power corrupts absolutely. If you have people, you will have people problems. Deal with it or take your ball and go home.

    Nuff said.

  45. How about backdoor that can't be turned off? That by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    How about backdoor that can't be turned off? That was put in by the guy who build the system.

  46. Hippocratic Oath for IT by end15 · · Score: 1

    I've come across this situation several times in my IT career. I've spoken with my co-workers about these types of issues. In order for us to really function we need to have a type of Hippocratic Oath. Don't get me wrong power is power and abuse is abuse no matter what people state. But taking an Oath at least sets reasonable expectations on all sides. As technology becomes a more vital portion of our day to day living that power needs to be recognized and dealt with. There have been several times when I've informed my boss of the level of dependence they had on me as the holder of the key's to the kingdom. They're eyes always get very wide when I explain as I hand over the keys that the next person to take this role up has total power over the company. The execs should understand this, and IT should communicate fidelity to the execs... I'm not saying that fidelity should allow for the execs to abuse the IT team but a clear understanding is a must. As well if there are people who ice their own company out they should loose something so they can't move on to another job and do the same thing. If the IT Hippocratic Oath was backed up by a guild or a license that can be taken away it would help. Sincerely, end15

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  47. No surprise by hrtserpent6 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have done dozens of Security Assessments/Risk Assessments for City/County/State Govts. In almost every instance, one of the major findings is 'key man risk'. Inevitably, there's always some guy who is the only one who knows the voodoo to make it all work - the whole IT department is one really smart guy, a dozen meatheads, and some management people (sometimes good, mostly bad). If the smart guy gets hit by a bus or quits, the org loses a year trying to catch back up.

    You also tend to see a lot of multi-hat positions (Chief Security Engineer/Firewall SME/Lead Network Admin), and mentioning security best practices such as Duty Rotation and Separation of Duties is usually met with a "yeah, right..." smirk and chuckle.

    Unfortunately, it's all usually a function of budget + quality of applicants + total inability to communicate effectively with City Council/County Board/etc. to explain why what the PHBs want needs to be properly funded and staffed.

    Inevitably, the powers that be decide they need something, and all heads in the room turn to the resident nerd-genius, who immediately geeks out about how he could accomplish it technically using spit and duct tape. The managers unclench when they realize they aren't going to actually have to do their job; what little money there is money gets blown on hardware and software, and the whole thing gets wired up in a perfect example of 'just barely good enough engineering' or a hobbyist project.

    It's not really how you expect your local gov't to operate, but they do it all the time. It's kind of like knowing where sausage comes from. Just don't ask.

  48. Re:How about backdoor that can't be turned off? Th by aarenz · · Score: 1

    If that is there, then it should be found in process of scanning for vulnerabilities. I personally do not want the vendor of a purchased application to have a magic key into my computer system.

  49. Too much control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is this really an issue of various corporate and municipal entities "giving" IT too much control, or are they simply dodging what should be end-user responsibility for administration which is then assumed by IT since no one else will take the reigns? My personal experience is the latter.

    Granted there are absolutely some things that IT should have ultimate responsibility for (routers, server administration, etc.). However, managing access and priviledges to deparmental-specific applications in most cases falls outside IT's expertise. IT's responsibility here is to make administration accessible to the user community without allowing damage and only intervene when an issue arises that is outside the expertise of the end users.

  50. Give Childs a job worthy of his talents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently, this guy is able to design and administer the perfect network: great performance; great stability; and great security. Somenone just needs to put him to work with other network engineers that have his competency level so he doesn't feel like he has to shoulder exclusive responsibility for running the network. Do that, and he would be a valuable addition to any IT shop. He's really wasting his talents working with moronic city government lackeys.

  51. Filed under "Why would you even GO THERE?!?!" by pugugly · · Score: 1

    In a new low for humanity, supposed corrections 'expert' and CIO for the Florida Department of Correction Scott McPherson went on the record in favor of utilizing waterboarding to get the information out of Terry Childs.

    He later reacts to the minor discrepancies between what was initially reported and what really seems to have happened with the wonderful Now if this is true, it certainly changes things, eh?

    So, evidently if Childs *had* been holding the network for ransom, waterboarding was perfectly fine? I hope I *am* going to far, but considering that the man has evidently been with the Florida department of corrections for years, I find myself wondering just how many times he has found that something that leaves no marks and is incredibly good at getting people to sign confessions whether they did something or not is just incredibly useful to have available.

    What a sick mind - Pug

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    1. Re:Filed under "Why would you even GO THERE?!?!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's already been here... http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=626155&no_d2=1&cid=24339345

      Insignificant idiot with a column.

  52. And PHBs / TPS report driven office are just as ba by Joe+The+Dragon · · Score: 1

    And PHBs / TPS report driven offices are just as bad when you spend more time doing BS paper work then doing real work. And It takes a long time just to get updated installed, software that you need for your job installed and so on. People then end just siting on butt waiting for the PHB do to there job so you can do yours.

  53. The difference. by Chas · · Score: 1

    SF is a major city with, presumably, dozens, or hundreds of IT workers.

    A 10 man SMB they're not.

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  55. That's not a Sith-enough. by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

    Then if they suck I fire them and hire a replacement, but if they are good, when I get bored and decided to move on,

    What, no slaying? No duals? Are you some goody-goody Jedadmin? That's just not Sith-enough.

    Here's the Sithway: If your apprentice sucks, you find a replacement to slay the apprentice. If the replacement fails, your apprentice gets to keep the job, and the replacement candidate does not make it to the next round of interviews (obviously).

    Sure this method has it's disadvantages-- revenge, backstabbing, his army of itsatrap minions, etc. And if you 'get bored' your apprentice just might replace you. But it's worked for generations. You're free to change it, but you're on your own.

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  56. This is so not shocking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Shit, _I_ have too much control: smallish shop, limited technical expertise, and gradually all those passwords just accumulated in my lap by default. I'm not going to go rogue or anything, but (as I keep trying to point out to my corporate masters) what if I get hit by a bus? Bye-bye, entire development infrastructure: webserver, app server, database, source code control, just good night and good luck.

    I've been _begging for months_ to get out from under this exact situation with no luck. Any suggestions?

  57. Duh by giminy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've written this one before.

    When you have IT people, they're going to have control of your IT infrastructure. Sorry, but there's not much you can do about that. They need access to your data and your equipment to do the job that you want them to do. You'd better find trustworthy people.

    This is kind of like complaining, "I have a chaffeur, but I'm nervous that he might go crazy some day and drive me off a bridge, or head-on into a semi." Yes, that is a risk that you'd face by having a driver. And I'm sorry, but no amount of technology gobbledy-gook is going to prevent disaster if your driver does, indeed go crazy.

    You face risks whenever you have someone do something for you -- that they might do it wrong, or that they might try to screw you. You're giving them control of some portion of your life. If you're not okay with that, or you don't trust the person that you've hired, you'd better rethink whether you're in the right business...

    --
    The Right Reverend K. Reid Wightman,
  58. Every large monolithic organization needs it's Wiz by mrmeval · · Score: 1

    But we now call them technomages.

    --
    I'd go on a Vegan diet but the delivery time from Vega is too long. --brownkitty
  59. Not hard to break into most routers... by Yaur · · Score: 1

    if you have physical access. Anyone competent enough to run a large network should be able to do it.

  60. Typical by Joker1980 · · Score: 1

    Ive had many network/system admin jobs ranging from schools and university to international corporations and one thing is constant, extremely small, extremely underfunded and under supported IT teams for the amount of systems in use. Universally IT has been seen as a cost nothing more, 3 people in an entire company understand how/why it works. Its the absolute shortsightedness of (in particular) western business, if it doesn't turn a profit its worthless. I'd say at least 90% of my employers truly believe its a job that any monkey can do. i used to think this was a problem with your typical 3 letter asshat in charge but i have recently come to a much scarier conclusion, its a symptom of modern mans outright refusal to learn anything they don't already know. my last two jobs in particular "IT" WAS the company/College. Modern business is so heavily leveraged into it that yes i would say the admins were more important than the chief execs. People are starting to think admins have to much control but on the contrary i believe the majority of company's are unbelievable lucky to have people willing to keep the system afloat considering the respect we get.

    --
    Well, Bart, your uncle Arthur used to have a saying: "Shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out."
  61. Doing some intelligent CYA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I ran into exactly the same situation as Terry Childs in my short time (about two years) working for a municiple organization.

    The difference, however, was being more aware of how stupid people are. For one thing... never lock your boss out of the system. Since there were so few IT policies in place prior to me getting there, it gave me quite a bit of leverage (at least early on) toward getting ones in place.

    The first thing I did was change the top-level account password. The password I changed it to was completely meaningless gibberish, which was written down onto a piece of paper and placed into a sealed envelope, which was entrusted into the care of the CIO-equivalent position. I told him it was for emergency use only, and it needed to be treated as the most important piece of information he had... which it was, in the practical point of view. In my time there, it was never used.

    Afterward, there was a lot of whining and moaning about people who wanted access... so I got to work on logging. All changes were logged, so accountability was in place (at least, as good as it could be. I kinda made it seem like far more than it was), and all specified people were given special administrator accounts (I detest elevating access on a person's everyday use account). From what I recall, none of those people ever used the accounts they had whined so hard to get, because they knew their activities would be logged (although honestly, not logged as much as I explained to them, but that was for everyone's good).

    The problem with many of these people was that they viewed the network as a toy which they could play around with to learn... whereas myself and the qualified staff viewed it as a crucially important business asset which needed to work no matter what. So scaring the tinkers by making them know they would be held accountable for any stupidity on their part made them content to only mess up their own work PCs, rather than the network.

    It's amazing what a great deterant accountability is!

    After reading the REAL story of Terry Childs, it was hard not to feel sympathy for him. Municiple organizations don't really take many things seriously, and don't have many people who have worked in "real", private sector, IT jobs. Many are either right out of college, transfers from other (non-technical) departments, etc, people who don't really view IT as their career, or do but have no experience working in an enterprise IT environment.

    The things he was doing are typically managed by an entire department... and that's often the case in public sector IT. I would LIKE their departments to be run the same as a normal enterprise IT shop... but when you have to deal with politics, where's just no political will to do so. Governmental IT is viewed as an expense rather than an asset, and generally an expense which they try to spend as little on as possible. The idiotic conservative "SMALLER GUBMENT!!!" lunacy doesn't help either, since all it does is guarantee nothing can ever be done in a proper way.

    So while I can sympathize with him... he could have been more politically aware. The people who were asking for access, had they thought they could get fired for screwing something up, likely would have never used that access. They only wanted it because they didn't have it.

  62. Main Reason: by drolli · · Score: 1

    Lack of decision making. I was a admin of the network of a small group (~10-20 Persons, 30 Computers) for approx. 6-7 Years. Whenever i asked my boss for a decision, he said: do what you think, even when i just asked him: what data should we backup in an expensive (daily, remote) way, what data should we archive in an expensive (remote, redundant, stored on tapes in the computing center) way?. Also i pointed out one year before i planned to leave that now it would be a good time to whom to transfer the knowledge to - no alarm bells rang. It ended up with me deciding everything over 5-6 years, building the sytem in a time saving (for me) way, because the only external pressure was that i should not use too much time on it. The introduction of the next admin was two afternoons. For the last 1.5 years the system was unmaintained (the new admin said he did not want break anything), and as far as i know my root accounts are still active.....

  63. Failure is not an option by Sparky+McGruff · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm getting to the point in my network that I'm the only single point of failure.

    I'm sorry, Dave, I can't let you do that.

    --Your Cisco HAL 9000 Router

  64. too much control to IT?! what?!!!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IT too much control?!?!?!?! No. I don't think so. I've had enough experience with 'general mangers' using passwords on a whim to 'do what they need to do'. The gates must be guarded by the chosen, and then trusted. -cyberbill79 (login issues)

  65. Not his property. by tjstork · · Score: 1

    The system works fine, the people are fucked, and they did it to themselves. He didn't flip out, they fucked with him and he fucked them back.

    It was not his system and therefor he had no right. If he did not like the job, he should have found another one. Period. Since you do not allow for the man to be waterboarded briefly to give up the passwords, then he has to go to jail and for a long time. It wasn't his property, his act was one of vandalism and destruction, and quite against the law.

    All you people seem to think that you are entitled to something, or have a hand in other people's property, and you don't.

    --
    This is my sig.
  66. Lack of internal controls is the real problem. by zerofoo · · Score: 1

    I had the joy of running IT shops in regulated industries (banking and REITs). Our federal and private auditors made damn sure that we had plenty of logging AND alerting in place. If administrative passwords were changed, or "non-admin" access elevated to "admin" access no fewer than 5 other (high-ranking) people were alerted to the fact via email and text message.

    These types of log monitoring and alerting tools are now off the shelf commodities and they work with just about anything that spits out a log of some sort.

    The problem with most companies is not too much access - the problem is a lack of checks and balances on that access.

    -ted

  67. Too many cooks in the kitchen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a sysadmin I cringe every time I'm asked to give out root sudo to yet another new hire. You have no idea how many comp days I've accumulated (but will never be allowed to use) fixing things that shouldn't have gotten broken simply because some moron thought they could do something better ... and not even tell me. My MO is to ALWAYS make my bosses send me an email instructing me to hand out root sudo privileges over my objections. If they want some idiot to trash the network then they are going to take full responsibility for it ... and I get to use it as blackmail at every review.

  68. Your taxes spent via mismanagement by dbIII · · Score: 1

    This whole "I'm unique and a genius and only through my incredible mental powers does this network keep running"

    Sometimes that can be true because we're talking about places where only one or two people have the skills even if there may be hundreds in the building next door. When you limit the arguement to single companies you typically have a few specialists in different areas where this is precisely the case. Add clueless barbarian management into the mix and you can run into situations where information has to be kept confidential from supervisors and can only be revealed to people of the same speciality, those at the very top of the company or the clients that are paying for things. In my case I had to keep information confidential from my manager because he was leaking it to the client's competitors before the client obtained the information.

    However the SF incident is beginning to look a lot like a personality conflict that escalated into the worker witholding information as industrial action against dismissal and then the taxpayer funding the consequences of gross mismanagement.

    The information should be kept somewhere in case of problems - it even appears from one article that this was the case in SF but once after threats of disciplinary action from something else it was all removed. Five million bail because a manager is unable to communicate with a worker and has to abuse the criminal justice system to sort out something that should have been dealt with internally and would have been avoided if there had been a fallback person in the first place. No matter whether Childs was malicious or not this sort of outcome can only occur via mismanagement - somebody else should have been available to cover for things.

  69. SOX vs Common Sense by Sully2161 · · Score: 1

    This (separation of duties) actually caused us quite a bit of trouble at my last job with a SMB. It was just me and my boss, and per SOX requirements since my boss was the IT Manager (i.e. approval authority) he wasn't allowed to have any admin passwords! One suggested solution was to keep someone trustworthy FROM ANOTHER DEPARTMENT in the loop on admin accounts. Unfortunately, since the IT systems encompassed material from all departments, this would also be a conflict of interests per SOX. So we just crossed our fingers and hoped I didn't get 'hit by a bus'.