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Spam King and Family Dead In Murder-Suicide
Lt.Hawkins was one of many readers sending in word that the escaped spam king discussed yesterday was found dead in Colorado, after apparently killing his wife and 3-year-old daughter. A teenager was injured, and an infant was found alive in the car.
I can't believe someone would be so upset over being institutionalized (for their own actions, no less!) that they'd feel the need to kill their family as well as themselves.
What a sad state of affairs.
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It wasn't necessary for him to take them with him. May he burn in hell.
"What a nightmare, and such a coward," U.S. Attorney Troy Eid said. "Davidson imposed the 'death penalty' on family members for his own crime."
No comprende? Let me type that a little slower for you...
I guess that's what happens if you get into a pound-in-the-ass federal prison. You'd rather die than to ever return there.
Alas, cowards don't like to die alone and bring along the family :-(
Long live the (Spam) King!
Knowledge is power. Knowledge shared is power lost.
Celebrating someone killing their family. Fuck you.
WTF is this? There is a dead woman and child and you pop off at the mouth calling them things like "crotch fruit?" After seeing such comments the only conclusion I can extract is that I hope you never breed, we need less people on this earth that act like you just did.
Your television will not tell you when to start the revolution.
Oh great, now I'm going to be bombarded about the commercials for the movie about this guy's dramatic end...
I can picture some of the scenes now, he's reading his daughter clearly insane with Joker:
I do so like
green eggs and spam!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Spam-King-Man!
that apparently /. decided we needed to hear it twice! Either that, or somebody forgot to read the followup link attached to the original story.
I saw another article that linked to this one http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_9985333 that had a couple of other details.
It sounds like they weren't just a big happy family...
Doesn't care about anyone (millions of people inconvenienced by his spam), doesn't have a conscience and leaves a trail of misery and destruction behind.
Psychopaths are very charming but still, girls, try not to marry one.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
This is a terrible tragedy.
It also shows what the type of people who send spam are, if they would consider killing their own wife and daughter, presumably in order to keep their own freedom. Condolences to everyone except the spammer.
"I'd rather kill myself than spend time in the pen. And since I'm God's gift to man, my family has no reason for livingh after I'm gone, so I'll take them with me."
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly." A. Carlson
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The way to corrupt a youth is to teach him to hold in higher value them who think alike than those who think differently
Mod me down if you like, but DEATH to all spammers. I'm glad he took his crotch-fruit with him, so they won't grow up to spam like daddy.
I'm not sure if you're aware of this but you weren't the victim in this story. I know, I know, it's very hard to consider other people but there is a 3 year old girl dead, a middle aged woman dead and an injured teen. All of them (to our knowledge) completely innocent.
They most likely have other family members and friends, I think you should consider these people to be the victims in this story, not you. Our thoughts and condolences should go out to them, not some nepotistic sentiment that they would automatically become their felon of a father.
Good riddance to him. But how sad for his family. Why do assholes like this feel the need to take others along with them when they decide to check out? It's times like this when I'm sorry to be an atheist -- I want to believe that he's burning in Hell. Mere nonexistence is not a sufficient punishment for him.
So much for spammers being "non-violent" criminals...
"Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket." -- Eric Hoffer
Putting mentally unstable people in minimum security is a bad idea
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You are celebrating because a man killed his family? You need some serious help.
If they'd put him in a medium or max security prison where he couldn't have escaped this would never have happened. He also didn't deserve death for what he did; the jail time and fines/restitution was plenty.
From TFA:
"Davidson, 35, was sentenced in April to 21 months in prison and ordered to pay $714,139 in restitution to the IRS after pleading guilty to falsifying header information to send spam e-mail, tax evasion and criminal forfeiture."
So, all it took for this guy to snap was 21 months and a shitload of debt? He must've known the consequences if he was ever caught. If you ask me, he killed in the wrong order.
I really wouldn't expect this kind of action out of a guy who built his entire living on annoying the public and ripping off the unwitting...
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The fact is that this guy was a half a step above a common thief. He probably had a serious feeling of entitlement and couldn't bear the fact that he had lost it all and would be forced to seek a legitimate job after his stay in the pen.
I feel bad for his family but he got what was coming to him. He was probably no different than most street thugs and we see this kind of violence in that community every day.
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You mean "three down". I'm all for social Darwinism, but this retard took people with him. Sadly, this isn't an atypical result; seems every couple of weeks you hear about a drunk driver who whanged into some poor bastard's minivan and killed people, but walked away without a scratch on themselves. This seems analogous, except for the suicide part.
Plus, as much as I hate spam, I'd rather see this guy rot in a cell than dead.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
...and it was such a pleasant Friday morning until I heard this news.
I don't know about the rest of you, but I would be willing to take a lifetime of spam to spare the life of his wife and daughter. The positive news of the story (the spam king is gone for good) pales in the shadow of this tragedy.
I will bend like a reed in the wind.
It should also be a lesson to all you married folks out there that feel you should help your spouse break jail... even you aren't clear of the line of fire. I am sure you can apply this metaphor to friend-of-the-quiet-guy-at-the-post-office and such, but this is so screwed up, my reality detector is going nuts.
"When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
Undeniably tragic, but you expected a spammer to act like a normal human being? Its only a shame he wasnt married to Sanford Wallace instead of to an innocent...
I have been a user for about 10 years. This ends Feb 2014. The site's been ruined. I'm off. Dice, FU
May he burn in Hell.
Suicide is the ultimate statement of self-empowerment and control. We now know for sure, this man was unconcerned about disrupting countless lives, and now even destroying them; for his own sense of peace, prosperity, and control. What he feared most was being out of control of his own life, and didn't care about the lives of others. A person unconcerned about disrupting millions of lives for five seconds at a time, could not be bothered to have his interrupted for a few months. Poetic in a monstrous pig way.
Here's to losing my Karma Bonus again....
Why oh Why does this continuously happen? It seems like it's a fad among the rich and sleezy!
Absolutely ridiculous! What comes over these people?!
What is it that tells them, "Kill yourself, and while you're at it, kill your wife and kill your daughter."
Where is the rational behind that?! Oh, I know.
It's up KoolAid man's delicious cherry ass, because it DOESN'T EXIST!!
Apparently this guy had a lot worse going on inside than just spamming people. There are plenty of spammers that would never dream of killing anyone.
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And when Ian Huntley or Mira Hindley die, there will be people who are singing the praises of their deaths.
This is only considered bad here because they killd their family.
Well, how about considering it as "someone kills a child and dies". In that case, wouldn't people be saying "Good! He desrved to die"?
Chastising someone for celebrating someone killing their family. Fuck you.
Thank god, somebody actually gets it. I sit here in Europe gritting my teeth at all the Americans flooding the web chatting cold-bloodedly about killing criminals or locking them away for life, with no apparent conception of the idea that people can be reformed or that punishment ought to be appropriate rather than exemplary if you want people to respect the law.
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Celebrating someone killing their family. Fuck you.
I second that.
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i celebrate the death of any filthy human.
If only there were even more guns in America. That's the only way I can think of reducing gun crime.
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From the article :
"What a nightmare, and such a coward," U.S. Attorney Troy Eid said. "Davidson imposed the 'death penalty' on family members for his own crime."
Not to be cold and uncaring, but apparently what most people think about spammers is true.
Jwait til the parties responsible for his sentencing get an earful about it. The judge/da will both probably catch a ton of flack for putting a sociopath in a minimum security resort instead of a real prison. I see this potentially snowballing into tougher penalties for all spammers (good thing) but potentially worse penalties for other computer-related infractions as well (bad thing).
In the comments here yesterday about this guy escaping from the can, I expressed surprise at the thuggish, almost murderous look the guy had in his recent mug shot.
The guy's a spammer, I thought, but he looks like a serial killer.
Now I feel really creepy about what's he's done to his family. I don't care about what happens to him; he should suffer for all eternity for killing his wife and child.
I just don't understand the brain activity that would make him do this for 21 months in the can. He's white collar; he may have received parole after a few months for good behavior.
Maybe it's misfiring synapses, but I just don't get it.
Joe Dougherty, Florida, USA
The words I thought I brought, I left behind. So, never mind.
Sadly, you're not the first. You are a cock though.
Maybe he clenched a little over all the inbox jokes and cracked... now all our inboxes are a little safer.
Dearest Friend,
I represent the estate of deceased spam king EDWARD 'EDDIE' DAVIDSON and have the sum of $3,000,000 deposited in a safety deposit box in Lagos which I am prepared to offer you the sum of not less than 20% for simple transfer to your bank account.
Please provide your bank details for immediate transfer. Also, please provide your daytime office telephone number, fax number and a copy of your passport so we may verify your true identity.
Many blessings of the lord upon you and your family.
DR MBOTO NGYANY
That's looking at the silver lining, I suppose. Makes you look like an arse, though.
And, for the record, the child would not necessarily grow up to be like her father. Genetics only plays part of the role (environment playing a part as well).
Yesterdays' story was updated already with this.
Just remember - if the world didn't suck, we would all fall off.
Damn, no wonder this country's going down the tubes. You don't "appease the crazy", you institutionalize them so they can be treated. Once they're well, return them to society so they can lead productive lives.
[John]
Shit better not happen!
Another way is celebrating the death of innocent children in internet posts.
Sick people both.
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Yes, let's kill little children because they lived on ill-gotten gains.
I could support some sort of punishment for the wife (not death thought!), but innocent children who didn't have any say in their dad being a a spamming scumbag?
You may be the most misanthropic person on Slashdot, and that means a lot, especially coming from me. Even those VHE wackos don't hold a candle to you.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
No matter if you agree with his acts or not... We're talking about killings. Please use a bit of respect.
From http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/07/24/1259238
the summary reads:
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Bobfrankly1 writes "The FBI, IRS, and the Rocky Mountain Safe Streets Task Force are helping the US Marshals search for escaped 'Spam King' Edward 'Eddie' Davidson. He apparently jumped in a car with his wife, changed clothes at home, and hasn't been seen since."
Update: 07/24 22:20 GMT by T : It seems that Davidson has been found, victim of a murder-suicide which also left two others dead.
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And the hilarious tags are: spam, wanteddeadoralive, preferablydead, oops, it (tagging beta)
He removed himself and his spawn from the gene pool.
You're saying a three year old kid is responsible for the crimes of their father?
Cry if you like but he paid his debt to society back.
If you're arguing that, what debt to society did the child have? Being related to him? Then every time we arrest a criminal, we should also arrest his family and charge them for his crime.
In ancient Japan it was honorable to take one's life after the shame of defeat.
And to kill one's children too? It's a slippery slope to claim that blood relation to a criminal is by itself a valid reason to punish someone for a crime they didn't commit.
No good deed goes unpunished. - Avon, Blake's 7
... seems every couple of weeks you hear about a drunk driver who whanged into some poor bastard's minivan and killed people, but walked away without a scratch on themselves.
Ergo, evolution wants us to be drunks. You wouldn't happen to have a Ph.D., would you? Because I really could use a doctor's note.
As the internet is of socialism, always wrong...snapping a spammer is a great idea. No mercy. Congrats to the agents/whoever who came up with "spam king". Excellent. to call him a real pansy is justified. King my ass. I wonder what the next "act" will be. I hope its well written and snaps a few more tards with computers...Remeber, all cars suck if you see them advertised on the net, real world over there ---------->
Oh no. did I just anti-spam spam. Who is the anti-spam spam king?
That's some "thank you" to the wife for helping him escape! Ungrateful SOB.
Do you think they're equally sick? Because as far as I can see one group aren't actually harming anyone.
Only three things are certain; death, taxes, and apocryphal quotations - Ben Franklin.
This is horrible. He kills his family because he has to go to jail.
Hans! Get out of this body!
From another article on the subject "Assistant U.S. Attorney Tim Neff said Davidson had become a "consultant" to the FBI investigating other spammers."
This guy may have been nutso or crossed the wrong folks in his line of work.
Keep the Classic Slashdot.
So is that why you Americans re-elected Bush? :D
*twists open the throttle on the Karmacycle* WEEEE!!!
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
If so please turn them into the authorities, or better yet an angry mob of geeks.
"When information is power, privacy is freedom" - Jah-Wren Ryel
A lot of spammers are involved in organized crime. See also the spammer that scared BlueFrog out of business with their ties. Not all of them though.
Not that it excuses him, but I'd look into this further. Murder suicide over a spam conviction? Something just isn't right.. there's more to it.
You may not judge, but murder is NEVER okay. Delivering death? Maybe. But not murder.
are the same bastards than in electronic one. Sad for the family.
Who was it that wanted this guy to get the death penalty again? Well, he got it and it only cost the lives of his family. Hope you're happy.
While I agree this guy was scum, annoying and probably the largest weasel in existence, I still can't bring myself to believe that he's done anything worthy of terminating life. Maybe I'm just soft on crime.
"Quote me as saying I was mis-quoted." -Groucho Marx
This just goes to show what kind of people spammers are. I only regret he died so quick. There are few people I hate as much as spammers. Rapists can't control their immediate desires, drunken drivers commit crime out of stupidity. Racists are intolerant because that's often what they've been taught and child molesters admit they don't know why they're doing it. But people like this man do. They know perfectly well what they're doing. They coldly and deliberately capitalize on the very minimal amount of trust they are given. They abuse a system for their own greed. And they only do so safe behind the anonimity of the internet. Even thieves have to look their victims in the eyes and make an effort. They risk being caught - spammers are too cowardly to deal with that risk, and too cowardly to deal with the consequences of their actions. Spammers should be dealt with nothing else than extreme prejudice. Those are the kind of people who would feel just fine about devastating society for their own gain, if only they'd have initiative. Every time I read about something bad happening to a spammer I feel a little happier inside.
I didn't know Chris Benoit was in the spam business. I can't wait to see if FOX News links spamming with brain damage.
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Fuck you asshole
Pisser. Coward. Chicken. Low-end. F**ker.
You deserve my darwin award for the year. Maybe even for the century, you yellow.
Yes, because in modern America, we're still responsible for the missteps of our parents. That child had NO reason to be killed.
Show this to your friends and family that don't know what a real hacker is
Maybe spam king junior will grow up to find a different path in life than junking up my email inbox.
Can you make sure someone posts a notice when *you* die? I'd like to celebrate *that*.
Pussy.
The positive news of the story (the spam king is gone for good) pales in the shadow of this tragedy.
Except that there are many, many, more spam kings around. This guy was just one fish in a large, toxic pond. While the world is better off with fewer spam kings, the loss of one of them is statistically insignificant.
Add that to the fact that he took his wife and child out with him, and there is almost no real silver lining to this story.
Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
Go fuck yourself. That 'humor' is irresponsible, reprehensible, and, above all, unfunny.
Show this to your friends and family that don't know what a real hacker is
Initially, I was considering "taking back" my previous suggestions that a death penalty be imposed for hardcore spammers. I had gone into great detail about my reasoning behind the notion, but it could easily be summed up by a conclusion that people who go through the extreme measures that spammer go through to circumvent various security measures, hack on private users' PCs to create botnets, and have generally caused the vast majority of the crap that endangers the systems and services around the planet (some of which are 'critical' and/or sensitive in nature) are nothing short of antisocial psychopaths and should be considered dangerous. People have commented that my conclusions are extreme, but I have to disagree. You have to consider what it takes (or what has to be missing) for a person to work so hard to cause so much damage and care so little about it. It's nothing the average 'business man on the street' would be capable of doing even if he were skilled enough to pull it off. It is the characteristics that enable the behavior of a spammer that mark him as an antisocial psychopath.
But as I was saying, I was considering retracting my previous suggestions because now that I see in the news a story of an actual dead spammer, I feel a bit sickened. And not sickened by the additional death and injury exclusively, but by the situation as a whole, leaving me uncertain that I would want spammers put to death. Truthfully, I'm still not sure, and am more certain that it was simply anger and frustration over the whole problem of spam to begin with. But one thing I am more certain about than ever before:
Spammers are DANGEROUS people.
The characteristics that indicate they have no moral boundaries to commit crimes, elude and evade security measures, hack into private computer systems and create networks of compromised computer systems used to create hell on a global scale, are the same characteristics of mass murderers. Before you disagree with me on this point, break it down for yourself. If you see major differences between the mentalities of the two (spammers and mass murderers) please detail them here. I'm not afraid of being wrong. I just don't think I am in this case.
It's sad that the woman died, but it really sounds to me like it's the result of her own poor decisions. She was the one driving the car. She was the one that made the choice to aid in his escape. Had she not made that poor choice, she'd be alive.
You must realize, though, that her "punishment" for helping him escape was far beyond the scope of her crime. I seriously doubt she could have possibly expected her husband to kill her and her child.
"I zero-index my hamsters" - Willtor (147206)
A 29 year old woman isn't quite middle aged. :/
No worries, he's just doing the usual "find a way to blame the USA and get free Karma" bit.
:-D)
I've found that reading the news a few hours later in the day helps with this. The kiddies on the US-bashing bandwagon who mod-up comments like his tend to be among the first on Slashdot; if you wait a while, the grown-ups (who have actual jobs and don't roll in until lunchtime) will mod them back down a bit.
(He says at 8:54 AM local...
I agree. I know programmers/IT types/Slashdot readers are a cynical lot, but I don't really think this is the time or place to make flippant jokes about irresponsible behavior. Pesty thing, that first amendment; you've got to take the good with the bad.
Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.
dead child, bad all the way around. potential lost. the wife? meh. she bailed him out. she knew him. roll the dice, pay the price.
as it were.
You must realize, though, that her "punishment" for helping him escape was far beyond the scope of her crime. I seriously doubt she could have possibly expected her husband to kill her and her child.
It doesn't matter. When you make poor choices and put yourself, and your family for that matter, in positions like that - you run the risk of bad things happening. It's a sad thing that she died, but given her poor choice it's not surprising.
concern for self is so overwhelming, that it transgresses even the desire to live
and murdering a 3 year old child? of yours? your wife?
"if i can't have them, no one can"
selfishness to the umpteenth degree. no concern but for self, like a psychological black hole
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
There is a lot to be said of the value of human life. It is priceless. It is a gift.
But a man who would earn his fortune in the despicable business of Spam? That is not a gift.
And the woman would would choose such a man as her partner? Unless she had no idea what his business was, she isn't innocent either.
Women (and men) need to learn to identify certain undesirable traits in the partners they choose. It is a choice to be with a criminal (yes, Spam is a crime), and there should be less sympathy for somebody who took that risk.
I am not saying the wife deserved it. I am just saying she knew what kind of relationship she was getting into when she started it.
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Well, "Flying Spaghetti Monster damn it!" doesn't really roll off the tongue that well, plus he's not as much into fire and damnation. So, you know, it would end up a bit on par with, "Dear Enemy, I curse you and hope something slightly unpleasant happens to you. Like an onion falling on your head."
And the Invisible Pink Unicorn is too cute to be taken seriously when it comes to damning, so that one's out of the question too.
Tooth fairy? I suppose she could get scary if you speak with your head under your pillow, but a damnation that depends on that is kinda unreliable.
Santa Claus? What's he going to do if he damns you? Bring you a lump of coal? With the prices of energy lately, being damned by Santa might actually be a blessing these days, if you know what I mean.
So, you know, as non-existent personifications go, the Christian god wins hands down. Now _that_ guy can damn properly. It still doesn't mean we _believe_ in him, but he's the right non-existent guy for the job.
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I guess that proves what kind of person it takes to make a career out of spamming. I always knew spammers were assholes, but now there's solid evidence.
I agree. It's a financial burden that is imposed, so a financial fine should be imposed in return.
Too bad I have to post this anonymously for fear of being modded down by zealots.
When one lives without ethics, it is not surprising that they will die without honor.
"we need *less* people on this earth that act like you just did."
Fewer.
Dont't look behind you now, but there's a huge spider
that his wife paid for helping her husband with her life, and possibly watched him kill their child.
How sadder still that an innocent child who couldn't control who he/she got for parents suffered at their hands, and quite probably spent their last seconds on earth wondering why daddy hurt mommy.
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His SpamAssassin Rules had to be wrong
Do you think they're equally sick? Because as far as I can see one group aren't actually harming anyone.
Dubious argumentative technique. He didn't say that they were, and it doesn't justify "celebrating the death of innocent children", which may not "harm" anyone in itself, but demonstrates an underlying sociopathic mentality that probably goes further.
Or perhaps not, if the latter group are the type of weasels who only spout off distasteful bullshit like this behind the security of a keyboard and Internet connection.
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Hmm...this would explain why I started getting ads for stocks, jewelry, and perfume from Ed@FieryBowels.hell
A spammer, most salesman, most cops, most all lawyers, in fact, anyone who's living involves taking advantage of another human being is, on some level, a psychopath.
Does this surprise me? No. Am I sad for the family, you bet.
We as a society celebrate monetary success above all. That is what psychopaths are best at.
Just remember the words of Chief Seattle: "We are all poor, because we are all honest."
My guess is, he was poking the teenager, the baby was his, and this was somehow known to the law, and they were about to charge him as a sex offender.
We aren't celebrating that he killed his family, if anything we're celebrating he killed himself, but most of us probably just joke about it.
I can't say I'm surprised that a major league spammer is also a demented psychopath. Is anyone truly surprised?
This may be. I definitely agree with the "mostly made" answer to all "born or made?" type issues.
In any case it appears that I rejoiced prematurely: it seems he only wounded his other daughter, and a surviving infant was recovered from their car. Still, even they wouldn't have been too high a price to pay for one dead spammer.
(also, I'm rated "Troll"? are the moderators on their collective period or something, or are they suffering from the five geek social fallacies?)
A guy annoys people. The government restrict his freedom for 2 years for doing so. He freaks out and escapes, kills those around him and then himself. My conjecture that he freaked out, but this is the only way I can percieve the case when his previous crime was simply annoying ppl and he precipitously committed murder-suicide. Having seen it all laid out I have sympathy for the man and his family. I also feel angry that diverse people are treated to a common punishment (imprisonment) for such a wide range of socially unnaceptable behaviour.
Mod you down? Get some help, man, as well as a heart and brain from the Wiz. Moron.
Oh, for the days when sig's didn't have to be cute...hey, wait a sec.
On the other hand, if a guy sends email messages (granted, we are talking about an awesomely huge number of messages, but still they are just messages), people start calling for his head, "death to all spammers" and stuff? I don't get it. Really.
In what way is spam diferent from downloading stuff from the net? I mean, "moraly", if you want. Spam is just email messages. Plain and simple. Zeros and ones. The guy didn't steal anything, he didn't harm anyone. What, spam clutters your mailbox and prevents you from finding those really important emails full with PPTs with naked chicks? Oh, ok, them...
I think that things are getting out of hand on the matter of punishing spam. Remember that for the politicians, there ain't much diference between a spammer and a downloader ("they both are turning our internet on a terrible place for our children!!"), so one of these days, the way things are evolving, they might take the next logical step and actualy punish downloaders the way they punish spammers.
I mean, come on! If the guy was blackmailing someone, or doing actual harm to IT infrastructures, that's one thing. But in terms of "damaging" the infrastructures with the load that spam generates, he's no diferent from the emulers and torrenters out there.
"A sysadmin is a cross between a detective, a police officer, a gardener, a doctor and a fireman"
we need less people on this earth that act like you just did.
Would you make the same comment to the spam king? If so, you're kind of agreeing with the person you responded to without intending to.
It really makes you wish there was a (-1, Go Back To Fark.com) moderation, eh?
is that this waste of human flesh should have been put down at birth. What a douche.....not just for being a spammer but also for being an arse-hat and taking out his innocent family along with him. There cannot be enough suffering of this arse to make it right. /he is nothing but a worthless sniveling coward
. I love the sound of burning women and screaming rubber....
I could do 21 months standing on my head amidst a bed of glass. 700k fine to the IRS? Pfft, try and collect it.
Why couldn't the whack job bass turd start with the barrel at his own head first.
Is it surprising that spammers are sociopaths?
Oh, and BTW: Shame on you if you're making jokes about this. This has gone from being an amusing triumph of justice over one of the nastiest spammers on the planet, to a true tragedy culminating in the murders of innocents. It's nothing to be joking about, and it's NOT FUNNY. Mod me down all you like for chastising, I really don't care.
I'm not usually a fan of the death penalty, but I'm beginning to think that making an exception for spammers (if just as a preemptive measure) mightn't be that bad an idea.
let me be the first to call him a FUCKING COWARD!!! No ponies. What monster can kill a three year. There is NO REASON ON EARTH!
Sorry we just buried a 2 month old nephew that doctors here in Phoenix gave up on, he was supposed to be still born but the little champ held on for 9 weeks to the day.
Si vis pacem, para bellum! For evil to succeed good men need only do nothing!
That child had NO reason to be killed.
I'm telling the truth at grave risk to myself.
The family was killed by an anti-spammer (SpamAssassin V6.66) from the future. The AI in the antonymous systems detected the Spam Gene in both parents meaning they both had to be
The teenager was not a carrier but hit by shrapnel. Were she a carrier SA V6.66 would have also terminated her processes.
Hmm I smell ozone.. there's a bright light in my backyard.... Oh shit...
if anything we're celebrating he killed himself, but most of us probably just joke about it.
I'm sorry that you have so little value for a human life. Please don't misunderstand; I'm pro death penalty. However, his crimes certainly did not warrant his death let alone his families lives. In my opinion, anyone that celebrates his death ignores his final crime and should be held in the utmost contempt.
...comparing to taking innocent people's lifes. Even if they are your family. Especially if it is your family.
user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
Let me say thanks for contributing to the overpopulation problem, asshole. Four is bad enough, but you're still trying to pop out more? It's only a shame that the doctors didn't tie your wife's tubes when they gave up on your kid.
What if someone else saw him and shot, but was a bad aim and accidentally killed the girl and the mother as well... after all if your going to kill your whole family why not kill the baby, and the other girl too?
Its worrying that nobody questions the reported "facts".
It's my opinion that the people who commit murder/suicides are doing it in the wrong order. They should commit the suicide first.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Given how closely tied spam is to organized crime, he could have felt that his trouble with the law may have brought retaliation upon his family and that killing them was somehow his warped way to protect them from people he felt may come after them.
Again, this in no way justifies his actions. Just trying to understand how someone could get into such a warped mental state.
Faith is a willingness to accept something w/o complete proof and to act on it. Reason allows you to correct that faith.
Sure the guys was a little looney in noggin - but it's one thing to send some emails and another to kill people. If there were more people there then why are they not dead? Doesn't smell like team spirit.
Someone know what anti-spam software was used to kill the bastard? Of course, someone missed to configure: Tools=> Options=> Innocents in Family not included.
Information technology means all information.
My guess would be that you were modded a troll because you rejoiced over the fact that a guy had killed (or attempted to kill) his kids.
No matter what you think about nature vs. nurture, killing kids is definitely not something to rejoice about in any circumstance and will most definitely get you modded as a troll.
Well, there may be more than you wrote there, I wouldn't know, never been to jail. But what you do write, is no worse than army life anywhere in the world. And some even use conscription to inflict it on almost every male. Not that I defend conscription or anything, but it's not living hell either.
A lot of barracks out there pack a lot of grown men in a large confined space. Maybe not gym sized, but nevertheless. And they're under stress. Tough shit, learn to cope.
Frankly, I'm not exactly an extrovert myself, but I really don't get the "OMG, it's a big place with lots of men" mentality. So was the army, so is the office, etc. Most of human history happened that way. Whether you'd be packed with a lot of agricultural workers in little more than a big barn, or packed in a small house together with your extended family, or as a soldier in a longship/tent/barrack with at _least_ 8 or 10 members of your squad/decuria/watchamacallit. Go back to prehistory, and you'd be sleep with a lot of men, women and children in the confined space of a cave. It may seem like the end of the world if you spend your life in a basement trying to avoid contact with other humans, but it's not. Most humans are actually made to be social people. Being in a crowd won't kill you.
Well, the navy manages to live on even more inconvenient showers, to conserve water. It's giving up a bit of comfort, no doubt, but it's not the end of the world.
Ever pulled guard duty in the army? You're supposed to stand there and not desert your post until your time is up. This also means you can't go to the bathroom whenever you wish.
Well, tough shit, sherlock. Noone asked me if my aspirations or skill set were perfectly matched to running with an assault rifle up hill, or operating a big loud AA gun. Nor if, say, cleaning the floor is against my religion.
Plus, that's the story of most people's lives even outside prison. You're rarely in a position to get your ideal dream job, or most people's work day would consist of getting blowjobs and surfing for porn. Instead most people get what's available. The guy behind the counter at the gas station or the one frying your burgers at McDonalds also aren't really paired to the best match for their aspirations and skills.
And again, if you look at human history, it used to be even worse.
Basically, I don't know. If you'd be telling me that there's something inherently humiliating or inhuman about the work they're asked to do, ok, I might even show some sympathy. But, basically, OMG, they're like Army Lite, with actually less stress and effort than the real Army... heh... dunno, fails to move me much.
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Trigun? What type of name is that! I bet you masturbate to kittens while dreaming about your forever delayed immigration to japan! Piss off and go masturbate some more in your mother's basement, you loudmouthed twat!
Here is the thing...we should only punish people for what they have done wrong...not what they think.
As a culture, most of us agree that the death penalty is reserved for people who have committed murder. You can't execute child rapists or thieves or people who get parking tickets.
So, unless you can prove in a court of law that spammers have murdered someone, they shouldn't face the death penalty.
How's that a troll? The guy was a sociopath. Read the definition and see if it's not a perfect fit. The innocent child's death is horrible, but the wife married someone borderline criminally insane and enjoyed the fruits of his fraud. That doesn't mean she deserved to die, but she's no more blameless than someone who tries to beat a train through an intersection. What did she think would happen? Even though he got rich defrauding millions and annoying billions, he'd treat her with respect and dignity?
Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
I work in Chicago. Let me know if you'd like to meet and tell me that in person.
But this is slashdot. A slashdoter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber!
I guess he never got caught before. Wow.
Actually, since many have pointed out that there is a sociopathic component in spamming, it is not all bad that he helped clean up the gene pool a little on his way out. He was a problem, but now he's not. His kid probably had the genes, too, and his wife had something wrong in being attracted to a sociopath enough to mate with one.
When reading the title about a spam king checking out, my first thought was Bill Gates who would also bring great relief by moving on.
HAr-HAr!
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
"Force shits upon Reason's back." - Poor Richard's Almanac
Have any of the news articles made it clear who the 3 kids in the story are? TFA makes it clear that the dead 3 year-old was Davidson's daughter, but they keep calling the older girl "a teenage girl" and the infant "a 8 month-old boy" and such. Since they aren't attaching a family relationship to Davidson, I'm left wondering who they are and what their involvement is.
Why would an unrelated teenage girl and an infant be with a guy about to kill himself and his family? What else was going on here besides a jailbreak and a murder-suicide?
The "eat shit and die, spammer!" — an expression, no doubt, uttered millions of times in this scumbag's general direction — must've had its effect, finally... I wonder, if any feces were, indeed, found in his mouth...
Awful, that it had to include his family too... Must curse less the next time I get spammed...
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What a selfish jackass. He could just have disappeared on his own, killed himself and let his family move on with perhaps (and quite likely) a better person.
Crap. Not only am I a jerk, I'm not the first jerk. That ruins everything.
Populus vult decipi, ergo decipiatur...
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A burning wet fart scalded Vlad's colon and rectum as he twitched awake. Vlad laid in bed, shaking at the horrible images that had danced through his sleeping mind. Sweat streamed from his forehead, trickled through his greasy scalp and soaked his pillow. This had been the worst nightmare yet. Vlad had dreamt that he was married to a 400-pound bag of soul-sucking gelatin. Living in a double-wide trailer filled with Jerry Springer moments, his only joy was his two sexy sons.
Vlad slipped out of bed and tip-toed into the next room. There, Grandma slept peacefully, snoring and farting in her usual comforting way. Vlad slipped under the covers with her and immediately felt his sense of security return. Grandma always made everything better. A loud, low rumble escaped from her buttocks. Vlad pulled himself lower down the length of the bed so that his nose rested against Grandma's ass. He inhaled deeply as the gas wafted around him and put him back to sleep. Vlad savored every moment, even in his sleep, for he knew tomorrow the other kids in his class would remind him of his countless inadequacies.
* * * * * * * * *
Vlad belched forcefully, sending chunks of hamburger helper spewing out into the living-room. The orange plastic of the couch stuck to his fat pale legs and his stained briefs bathed him in a rich sampling of unique Lockwood odors. At the opposite end of the couch, Reza sat in her usual spot. The cushion was practically non-existent, compressed as it was from her unimaginable mass.
"Oh Vladdie-Pop, I'm so glad Grandma has come to stay with us since little Vaginez came along! It is so nice to have some help around the house!"
"Yo, you fat cunt, I'm trying to watch the new Eminem video. One more word outta you, and your fat ass'll be laid out on the fuckin' floor for the next month."
Reza quivered at the thought of another merciless beating by her dear Vladdie-Pop. The last time he had "corrected" her, she had spent 22 hours huddled in the shower, weeping as the scalding water pelted her rubbery body. She had lost a whopping 1/2 pound that day. She spent the entire next day eating, fearful of her body wasting away to further displease her beloved.
Reza's ruminations were interrupted by a terrible screeching from Marticock's Chamber. Vlad's fleshy head reddened with rage. He just wanted to watch television. Why did everything always have to work against him? He turned to Reza, with a terrifying scowl on his face. Reza felt a pang of terror shoot through her massive gut and she frantically dislodged herself from the indentation in the couch.
Reza thudded across the double-wide's paper-thin floors, "Grandma! Grandma!"
Grandma Lockwood was sitting on the toilet relieving herself of the Metamucil she had consumed for breakfast, "don't worry, dear, I'll take little Marticock out for a nice walk and he'll be fine!"
"Oh Grandma," Reza blubbered.
Grandma Lockwood soaked a rag in some Clorox and cleaned her rump of the liquified feces that had spattered up from the toilet. She applied a thick coat of Johnson's Baby Powder and then pulled up her stockings. She flushed the toilet, which immediately backed up and spilled out over the floor.
"Reza, honey, you wanna clean up my shit while I take little Marticock for a nice walk?"
Reza was only happy to clean up in the bathroom. It would give her a purpose, a valid reason to be away from Vlad. Though she could never admit such a thing to herself, at a subconscious level she would do anything to avoid being with her Precious Love.
Grandma Lockwood prepared the grocery cart by throwing some used Taco Bell napkins in the bottom to make a nice nest for Marticock. She then lifted Marticock from his crib, careful not to agitate his pummelled rear, and placed him comfortably in the nest. She wrapped herself in her Eminem shawl - a Christmas gift from her grandson - and pushed Marticock out the door.
With Reza scrubbing furiously in the bathroom and Grandma Lockwood and Marticock strolling outside,
It doesn't have quite enough jazz to be a /. meme.
Is there anything better than clicking through Microsoft ads on Slashdot?
Just once, I'd like to see these murder-suicide perpetrators do The Right Thing (TM) and *start* with the suicide!
"It's so easy to criticize behind computer screen. No one knows what he's been through. Nothing justifies the killing of his wife (maybe she agreed?) and daughter (this one has no maybes), but we just don't know what really happened, and never will. So I prefer not to judge." Really, I mean really? Are we to the point where we can not judge a man who murders his family? If not that, then what is judgment reserved for anymore. When did judging become a bad word in this country? Don't answer that, I know when. I mean, get off your everyone has a reason to be sad, mad, or disenfranchised kicks and just say the guy was twisted. A selfish narcissist who killed his wife and 3 year old. Go ahead, say it now, say it to yourself out loud it will feel good. For once in your life, stop trying to understand or empathize with an asshole like this country has taught us to do for to long. Just say, jeez what an asshole. That's it, no news coverage, no understanding, no feeling for him, no if only he had the right meds... Just jeez, what an asshole and I feel sorry for his family. THE END>
I don't even know what he have done so I don't really care, I just notice that some people seem happy. And I guess we all have had to pay for his traffic generating and storage wasting activities.
Also since he didn't got killed but rather killed himself I see even less problem with it. The people believing it was good that his wife and kid died are probably easy to count.
In the article:
"Davidson had been diagnosed with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. A condition of his sentence was that he undergo mental health counseling."
Take a look at the side affects of ADHD medication. The meds he was taking probably made him nutzo. I place the blame entirely on the medical staff who treated him.
He only had to do 21 months... he should have been able to do that standing on his head. Blame the meds.
Don't give these things more weight than they deserve...
Now if only more spammers would kill themselves we'd be a lot better off.
I think I was the first to add the wanteddeadoralive tag yesterday.
I didn't realize I had such power.
Maybe he read too many of our "pound me in the a$$" prison jokes and freaked out?
Did we cause his ultimate demise?
There are a huge number of yeast infections in this county. Probably because we're downriver from the bread factory.
Prosecutors said that from 2002 to 2005, Davidson's business, Power Promoters, and his subcontractors would spam people's inboxes with e-mails promoting items such as watches and perfume. From 2005 through part of 2006, he sent thousands of e-mails from his home in Bennett, sometimes with false information
The bodies of "Spam King" Edward "Eddie" Davidson, his wife, and 3-year-old daughter were found in an SUV parked in a farmhouse driveway in a rural part of Bennett, about 25 miles east of Denver. Authorities said Davidson was the apparent gunman.
Here's more reason to never do anything to financially support spammers.
They are scum.
They have no morals
They have no limits to their behavior.
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That's all I can say about him. The woman and child didn't deserve this.
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Where the fuck did I say equally?
Seeing the world in absolutes, black/white, either/or instead of as various shades of gray is itself often a sign of mental illness.
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I work in Chicago. Let me know if you'd like to meet and tell me that in person.
Yeah there ya go... great way to show you're not mentally unstable.
"You might be unbalanced and violent."
"YOU WANNA STEP OUTSIDE AND SAY THAT?!?!"
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What you say when you drop something heavy on your foot is mostly determined by your upbringing. I'm a militant agnostic and still say "God DAMMIT!" in situations like that.
If I'm more in control, I can sometimes redirect to "What in the name of the six healthy sheep is going on?"
To a Lisp hacker, XML is S-expressions in drag.
Most humans have a natural desire for justice and fairness. This is evolutionarily advantageous, it helps us build functional societies. Punishment is a tool. It is never 'right,' or 'good' to punish, those are moral judgments. Sometimes, it is effective, that is all we need say about it.
This was no more right or wrong than a rat eating its babies, or a lion killing an antelope. Shit happens. We punish transgressions like this not because the act is wrong or bad, but because it is ineffective, it doesn't work for society, and we are programmed to uphold what is right.
All punishment starts from within. It usually starts from a moral judgment or a feeling that something is not right with the universe. But right and wrong don't exist outside the minds of sentient beings.
You know the saying, "Judge not, lest ye be judged?" One will not make moral judgments against another unless one thinks that making moral judgments is a good thing. If you think it is a good thing, you will do it to yourself.
There is no place you can hide from your own judgment. People who make moral judgments are trapped in their own skulls with a monster they can't hide from or defend against. They use their own power against themselves.
This man has no capacity to damage society anymore. There are therefore only two possible reasons to hope for a Hell for him to suffer in. One obviously faulty reason is the hope that his suffering will restore some kind of balance to the universe. But his actions never had the power to put the universe out of moral balance. Nothing does.
The other reason is the hope that his suffering in hell will somehow deter others. Which might be true if there were any kind of proof it was happening, but there isn't.
Wanting to punish this dead man only reinforces the desire to punish in general. It tells the part of our brain that makes judgments and metes out punishment that it is doing the right thing. And some day, all that righteous anger, pain, and humiliation will be directed internally, at the person making the judgment, as soon as they fail to live up to their own internal rulebook.
Don't get me wrong, discernment is a good thing. Knowing what works and what doesn't, and why, is a good thing. And fortunately, doing 'good' does not require moral judgment, only discernment and self interest.
Perhaps the worst thing about moral judgment is that it gets in the way of true discernment. If one thinks that certain things are inherently evil and need to be punished, one will have a hard time honestly recognizing when one is doing those things. I said there was no defense against the monster in our heads, that is not quite true. One can lie to oneself.
But if one refrains from judgment, both internal and external, one can really, honestly look at one's actions, decide which are effective and which ineffective, and reward the effective actions. Reward is the only motivator for new behaviors.
Wow, long rant. And I will admit, forgiveness is hard. It is much easier to give in to the feelings of anger and moral righteousness. I still do much of the time. But I don't judge myself for judging myself. :)
So don't judge this guy. Realize his actions were part of a larger pattern, that they weren't effective, that they did not bring him what he wanted, that they are detrimental to society, and that those sorts of actions should be punished only to help society function better, not because they were evil. He is now beyond the ability to harm society, and beyond our ability to witness his punishment, so all practical reasons to wish for punishment are gone.
What is left is only the mind's desire to judge everything in the universe, and harm that which is judged evil. Acting on that desire is harmful to the self.
- None can love freedom heartily, but good men; the rest love not freedom, but license. -- John Milton
I consider myself a very passive /. lover insomuch that I read it religiously but rarely, very rarely, post anything.
But upon reading today's tragic stopy of the Spam King's murder/suicide I feel compelled to write.
I am sure that I am not alone in this crowd when I say that I've done some incredibly stupid things in my life and at many times I have wished for a quick out or an easy solution but what this man has chosen to done is unforgivable!
The supreme cowardice required to run from a prison camp (is there an easier sentence?) but then to murder your spouse, who has chosen to share her life with you, and finally your children who did not ask for life yet had theirs stolen from them by their own father!!!
Absolutely disgusting and this offends me to core of soul!
why do people make such big deal about spam anyway? sure its annoying and it accounts for most of the traffic on the net, but seriously, is your inbox really being bloated by spam everyday to a point where your time is wasted for hours?? please dont throw the "wasted resources" bit at me either, cause in reality, the only thing wasted is some server cycles and maybe some hard disk space that is eventually recovered anyway, oh and maybe a few minutes of your time. with services like gmail and all these advanced spam filters available for free or otherwise, how many spam emails does everyone really have to deal with on a daily basis?
secondly, how is spam any different than all the bullshit snail mail your get in your mailbox? coupons, missing children, targeted advertising and whatever else you can imagine. you dont look at any of that stuff, and if you say you do, your probably lying. you dont see coupon makers being jailed for sending out millions of coupons for stores that aren't even in your area. it takes more energy to *physically* remove email from your actual mailbox than it does clicking a few checkboxes or selecting many and hitting delete, not to mention all the natural resources wasted when compared to a few electronic pulses.
it seems when it comes to using computers, people are just more inherently lazy and unwilling to accept annoyances than they are in their day to day lives. if you dont want spam, dont throw you email address out in every form that asks for it. if the place your giving your email address is legitimate, then you generally have the abilty to opt out of soliciation emails.
personally, the whole spam phenomenon can really just be correlated back to peoples general ignorance and curiosity than anything else. i'm saddened by these tragic events, but honestly i think general society is more to blame than anyone else.
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I can in no way justify a father killing his family over _anything_. However, as already stated the prospect of long term prison time is extremely damaging to anyone's psych. I love how everyone is quick to jump on the guy as "he's a criminal & deserves it!", etc. The guy was a spammer... he sent you know, electronic emails. This has disrupted your life's so much that you feel a) someone deserves to be locked up away from society and even b) death? It is you who is sick. I wouldn't doubt in any way that word of what people like you all think about the guy at least highly contributed to his suicide.
The child, I feel for.
The woman -- she knowingly married a criminal. She was "on his side" in every way, and a spam enabler at the very least. She is even responsible for exposing her child to him, and for not protecting the girl in this way.
He must be confusing Slashdot with Reddit. I used to see that kind of post there all the time. It's why I stopped going there. :|
"...Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam..."
"You can't deny the world would be a better place if all spammers would kill themselves and their snowflakes."
Yeah, the number next to my spam folder would say (0) instead of (30). I really want to spend human lives to change that. /sarcasm.
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Except when killing children is rejoiced over in a Iraq War thread. Then it's +5, Funny.
Poor taste, perhaps. Tagging it as "troll" is most definitely censorship however: trolling is a different matter altogether, which entirely excludes honest poor taste.
Anyway, those kids were only Americans. Those lives will be like, a dozen for ten euros in ten years' time. Chickenboner white trash. You won't see me crying over their passing.
It says the same thing, the GP was saying about spammers: if a CEO is convicted, escapes prison, and is about to commit suicide, he is more likely to (try to) take his family with him. I'm not sure, that's true, but that's what GP was saying.
On behalf of CEOs across America (I'm not just a CEO — I also own my company), however, I'm quite outraged of your attempts to equate us with spammers and other criminals.
Something tells me, you never met a regional First (or Second) Secretary of Communist Party...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I have been to real prisons in California. And I can tell you, I would have loved to be in one of those federal camp snoopy's. Oh yeah, I was not allowed next to an uncontrolled computer for about 5 years ;P.
That's so sweet! Kevin's found Slashdot!
Heh, I could have responded as an AC as well. So what if I didn't put a lot of thought into the name of a slashdot account. 'PunkOfLinux' is soooo much better. As is Mewshi.
And speaking of immigrating to japan, http://www.mewshi.com/test/index.php?page=imagedisplay&gallery=Colored&image=ghost
Nice little manga picture. A budding young artist?
Let me guess. You're a twenty-something web designer who can't even approach a girl. You're not a freak, you're just misunderstood. You like the emo scene, but you don't classify yourself as emo. You're not a closeted homosexual, but you have been mistaken as one.
You can't even post a proper insult. You stick to the tried and true "parent's basement", wapanese, and masturbation shtick. To top it all off, you use the word twat because you think that it makes you edgy, possibly because you've watched a few Guy Ritchie movies.
You sir, if you're even old enough to be called that, are merely a whelp who thinks that you're special because bad things happened to people you know. Guess what. Nobody fucking cares. Now crawl back into that two-bedroom apartment and let the adults talk.
The fact that you would endorse torturing and killing a child -- regardless of what that child's parents did -- shows that you should really be the first to die. Slowly, and painfully. On national television. With people placing bets on when, exactly, your heart would stop. You fucking sub-human asshole.
I don't really know much about this guy or what he did, so I'm taking 'spam king' at face value.
I find it kind of appalling that there are people who are pleased with what the guy did. It says a lot about the state of our society, our legal/prison system and how self-centered both this spam king and society at large are. The guy was sentenced to 'pound in the a$$' prison to which he ultimately killed himself and his family - all over the nuisance of email spam.
I don't know.. to me, that's really kind of depressing. Not at what he did (which was horrible - don't want that to be understated), but that he felt he had no recourse or chance at living life later. His only option was murder/suicide. It really speaks volumes.
it's one less spammer to worry about... personally I wouldn't mind seeing spammers executed... but that's just me...
He's just providing the data. The data is what the data is - you are drawing your own conclusions. How would you personally like to characterize this data? Maybe it's just that non-Caucasians love their family more and don't fall into this depression trap.
1. Nope, most of the world does practice conscription.
2. I don't think most criminals ended criminals by mistake and without any consideration. It's not like the guy was just minding his own business, and suddenly realizes, "oops, I spammed tens of millions of people and got paid millions for it, without even knowing I was doing it." I'm sorry, but just because he's too fucking stupid to think about consequences too, doesn't make him exempt from them.
3. It's not supposed to be a "good" thing, lemming. The fact may have escaped your attention that he's a convicted criminal. We're not giving him a _reward_ for it.
Yes, society could have sent him on a luxury vacation in Malorca or Hawaii, instead, with an army of servants to catter to his every whim and keep him comfortable and entertained. But that would have been a bit of a reward, wouldn't it?
It's supposed to be a _punishment_. It's supposed to be a _deterrent_. I.e., it's supposed to make the next idiot think twice about breaking the law.
So, yes, it'll be a bit inconvenient and will have some downsides. It won't be the ideal, happy place to be. That's the whole point.
So my point isn't that it's a "good" place to be. It's that it's actually a rather mild punishment. As punishment goes. In fact, so mild that millions of people go through that or worse without it being called a punishment. (Heck, for about a billion people on this Earth, that would actually be one step up from their life as hard-working, law-abiding citizens of some third-world nation.) It won't kill him. It's not hell, it's an inconvenience. That's what I'm saying.
Or in other words, there are shades of grey between "it's good" and "it's hell." Roll that concept around a bit in your head.
And considering that he _is_ a convicted criminal, and that the law _is_ supposed to include a _punishment_, I'm not moved to tears by his being a little inconvenienced there.
Well, maybe if you started by posting something intelligent. If you start with something as stupid as, basically, "OMG they're slightly inconveniencing a criminal", well, you're not much in a position to be picky about the answers ;)
Don't get me wrong, if someone were to tell me that they were doing some genuine evil or degrading stuff to him there, I might show some sympathy. But, basically, "OMG, we're so evil as to make a convicted criminal sleep in a barracks and occasionally work in the kitchen," because that's the general impression I'm left with... heh. Just heh.
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Frankly, I'm glad he's dead, and not wasting my tax dollars sitting a 8x10 cell with his dick in his hand. It's unfortunate that, on his way out, he also killed his wife and kids, but you've got to take the good with the bad: one dead spammer, thousands more to go.
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Awww, did somebody's widdle feelings get hurt? What are you going to do, run off and murder a few kids to feel better?
Sociopathy is not a disease like flu with a cause and exact symptoms; it is a disease of the psyche, which itself is a virtual reality in that we do not interface with the world except through the psyche as medium. As Bruno Bettelheim said, "personality is perception".
If a person believes it is OK to do anything for money -- that money, itself, is the entire meaning of life, and if that person marries another who feels the same then they might delay having children until their futures could be secured. And if that security was taken away then that sick individual, always working rationally from a mistaken perception (that money is all) might feel it was his responsibility to relieve them of a future filled with poverty.
It is not fun getting into the mind of sociopaths/psychopaths, so I'm just saying....
I can't understand why there are so many complete assholes on Slashdot. A man was imprisoned for spamming, not for a real crime, mind you. I've read that a lot of you complain about spam. "Boo hoo, I'm a system administrator and my life is so dreadful because I have to deal with spam!". No, your life is dreadful, period. And you're conveying your self-loathing onto this poor chap. Maybe he read all the comments from yesterday and you cyber-bullied him into killing himself and his family. You are all wretched assholes. No wonder so many of you are in dead-end jobs. This community has taken the place of 4chan as the sphincter of the Internet.
is pretty much like this. Only without the sunshine - I did that for 8 years. In other words, I have absolutely no sympathy for someone that commits a crime and then bitches about how uncomfortable prison is.
Ouch. You say that murder agencies will pop up left and right if the money is right... I have to agree.
1) Planned Parenthood.
2) School for the Americas-generated hit squads in S. America
3) Iraq/Afghanistan (no, I don't mean the war, I mean the suicide bombers outside police recruitment agencies)
4) Iraq/Afghanistan (now I mean the war)
5) Mafia (well, in the mafia governmental system, it *is* legal)
6) Putin's media/espionage branch offices in Britain and other locations (Litvenenko, for example).
7) Californian farmers' treatment of the Okies back in the dust bowl era.
8) Recent treatment of illegal aliens on the border
9) Oil companies hiring militias in Sudan
Yeah, I have to agree. Which is why our country's situation is a bit disturbing.
(Just so nobody think's I'm particularly anti-American in this, this list is compiled by an American who is more aware of American issues than other issues)
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It is the characteristics that enable the behavior of a spammer that mark him as an antisocial psychopath.
One of my favorite documentaries, The Corporation, shows that companies (under the implicit direction of its board of directors) also show all the characteristics of unfeeling psychopaths. Laws are broken all the time, if it can be shown that the risk is considered minimal and the payoff is great.
Lots of "entrepreneurs" fall into the category as well.
I think that if you were to give the death penalty to every amoral asshole who cares about nobody but themselves, and causes harm (but not kill) to a lot of people, you would certainly have a more pleasant place to live, but one that entirely undervalues human life.
Look at the tomato! Isn't it sad? He can't dance! Poor tomato!
And no, I don't have nor want offspring of my own, there's way to many of the little buggers already.
Well, thank frigging God for that. Advocating the death of innocent children puts you way, way lower on the sociopathic scale than spammers.
Court documents said he was supporting 3 children, so I assume the teen and baby were his own (or his girlfriend's). I don't know why news reports haven't identified their relation to him either way. Nothing I can really add other than that. I just want to say... what a fucking douchebag. I'm glad he's dead.
But you're on the moral high ground for suggesting that he should die in that manner? LMAO.
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Maybe you mean "mentally ill" instead of "morally corrupt"? To me a criminal is morally corrupt (or there's something very wrong with the laws that gouvern us), but he's not necessarily a schizo.
Aside from this case, is it unconceivable that some people break laws that in their morality can be seen as unjust? Or do you feel that it is mentally ill to disregard laws in general? Was Rosa Parks mentally ill when she refused to move to the back of the bus?
there are more people behind the scenes. he probably ratted some out for his 21 month sentence. Found out he was a deadman at that facility and bolted. Got caught by the folks he ratted. bang bang bang bang...put gun in his hand.
Spoken like someone who will never have "crotch fruit" themselves. At least I hope so.
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havn't you seen ANY movies lately? The hitman takes the child and raises them to be a tiny little hitman. DUH..
He was sent to a minimum security prison because he was considered a non-violent "white-collar" criminal. Yet he escaped and became a vicious murderer. I don't think the criminal justice system did this to him. I think he had it in him to begin with.
So the do-gooders pass a law that criminalizes sending e-mail, wreck a guy's life, and 3 people end up dead. Congratulations to everyone who supported this spam law.
P.S. Yes, he put false header information in the e-mails. So? You want to make lying a crime?
I draw the line here on the assumption that the death penalty is acceptable for any crime.
If a society makes it illegal for members of said society to kill people, it is hypocritical and immoral for the society to kill people.
BURN IN HE....oh, he killed his wife and kid too. My bad.
So, when the wife revealed that the cops were giving her $1,000,000 to turn him back in, he snapped, saying "WHY DO YOU THINK I SOLD MY SOUL FOR MY SPAM-SUPERPOWERS? YOU'RE ALREADY RICH!!!!"
When going on a killing rampage, always start with yourself.
I can't even imagine what it takes to kill a 3 year old child.
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Coward.
Mind you, I do make just that kind of jokes about the Norse religion too, so please don't take this as a lecture or anything.
But I have to wonder just how many people, if a Valkyrie took them to Odin's hall to become Einherjar, would actually think it's great.
For a start, it's a bit like wishing you were in the Marines, as your idea of fun. The Einherjar would just train all day for Ragnarok. They'd then get a copious meal in the evening, go to bed, wake up tomorrow to train some more with their weapons and armour. All day. Every day. For all eternity.
Basically already taken in that simplified form, it was the underachieving "heaven" of some people who had become mercenaries or pirates (and had a rather short life expectancy at that) just so they don't starve. Only the eldest son would inherit the parents' farm, the others were kicked out with no means of subsistence. There weren't any jobs on another farm for them either, and the small Scandinavian towns only had jobs for so many. So they join some private army or pirate group just so they don't starve. And, of course, they had to believe there's higher meaning to that hellish life, and some god who appreciates that. And the grand reward they aspired for was... well, just the same. That some great warlord in the sky would let them sign up in exchange for food and shelter.
But it gets better than that, when you look at how they were supposed to train in Valhalla: by hacking at each other with real, deadly weapons. By the end of the day, most Einherjar would be dead and/or dismembered, having bled to death on those training grounds. Then they'd get magically resurrected and/or healed, fed, sent to sleep, and next day they'd start again.
It was a promised eternity of _pain_ and stress.
I mean, think telling someone about it, but without mentioning which religion and whether it's supposed to be a reward or punishment. See, there was this old religion where after death you could be cut, bled, dismembered and killed daily, made whole again, and next day chopped up again. Then ask them if they think it's the heaven or hell of that religion. I'm betting on the latter.
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Charisma is the measure of someone's ability to lie with a straight face.
The P is an idiot. I agree that the GP is an idiot too, but he was certainly not celebrating someone killing their family, he was obviously celebrating death of the very annoying criminal.
He could have been chastised for the lack of feeling for the family, but not for celebrating death of the family. /. is best in moderation among other such sites, but once in a time there is an idiotic fluctuation in the moderation Force, when suddenly idiotic and irrelevant comments get promoted to +5 by some other emotional idiots.
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I just got an email from him!
Dear Recipient,
I would like you to know that through careful researches, that I have chosen you as the heir to my fortune. To claim my fortune you just need to send me your full name, address, date of birth, social security number and bank account information for verification purposes. Once I receive your informations I will make you the heir to my fortune of over 3 Million USD.
Sincerely,
E.D.
Insanity means without reason or utterly foolish.
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You cannot plead insanity simply because the motive or impulse which lead to your crime makes no sense.
The legal issues are defined as moral judgment and self-control:
In 1972, the American Law Institute developed a new rule for insanity as part of the Model Penal Code. This rule says that a defendant is not responsible for criminal conduct where (s)he, as a result of mental disease or defect, did not possess "substantial capacity either to appreciate the criminality of his conduct or to conform his conduct to the requirements of the law." Forensic Psychiatry and Medicine: The McNaughton rule
Reagan era Federal law marked a return to the McNaughton rule, with its Victorian English roots, requiring a defendant to show clearly and convincingly that he did not not understand what he was doing or could not comprehend the wrongfulness of his actions.
Sounds a lot like an FPS to me, but with, you know, repercussinos
Could there be a more selfish person on earth?
Oh stop it.
Tnis person had problems. Many spammers just send out emails. They don't create botnets, hack peoples computer, and so on.
This is like saying IT people are DANGEROUS people.
Stupid.
Mass murders require some sort of Dissocial personality disorder, spammer do not.
This guy did something horrible, his career choice is irrelevant.
Death penalty on spammers? what and ass.
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From the article:
A convicted spammer and his wife, who were being sought after she helped him escape prison, were found slain along with their young daughter Thursday in an apparent murder-suicide, authorities said.
Did this take place on Thursday or was the daughter's name Thursday?
Where the hell is all the Tinfoil-hat suspicion I usually see around here?
The guy more then likely had money stashed. He more then likely went to others for help once he escaped. Doesn't anyone think its possible that he was killed for this money by someone even sleazier then himself?
Nobody questions that there is an unrelated teenage FEMALE and a BABY involved? WTF?
C'mon /.
Escape, THEN kill yourself and family? Why not just fucking bedsheet yourself at the first "lights-out"?
This sounds HIGHLY suspect to me. Cheeeerist! I can think of dozens of scenarios that would explain this just as well as the scenario posited by the "authorities". And none of them as cheery as a murder/suicide.
He claims to be a Buddhist. Perhaps the worst Buddhist ever.
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=619015&cid=24252739
Just goes to show all religions twist your mind.
And if his other posts are an indicator, he's a general ass of mediocre IQ.
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a sociopath recognizes the existence of others outside self in so far that pleasure can be derived from their pain and manipulation
but a narcissism so consuming like this isn't even aware of others outside self
intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
A scumbag is dead.
He was nice enough to remove the rest of his genetic material from the planet as well.
The sad thing is that a child survived.
Don't breed no assholes. Won't be no spam.
More of a hack-and-slash action-rpg, actually ;)
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your post advocates a
( ) technical ( ) legislative ( ) market-based (x) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. your idea will not work. here is why it won't work. (one or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
( ) mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
( ) no one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) it is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) it will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
( ) users of email will not put up with it
( ) microsoft will not put up with it
(x) the police will not put up with it
( ) requires too much cooperation from spammers
( ) requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
( ) many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
(x) anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
specifically, your plan fails to account for
(x) laws expressly prohibiting it
( ) lack of centrally controlling authority for email
( ) open relays in foreign countries
( ) ease of searching tiny alphanumeric address space of all email addresses
(x) asshats
( ) jurisdictional problems
( ) unpopularity of weird new taxes
( ) public reluctance to accept weird new forms of money
( ) huge existing software investment in smtp
( ) susceptibility of protocols other than smtp to attack
( ) willingness of users to install os patches received by email
( ) armies of worm riddled broadband-connected windows boxes
( ) eternal arms race involved in all filtering approaches
( ) extreme profitability of spam
( ) joe jobs and/or identity theft
( ) technically illiterate politicians
( ) extreme stupidity on the part of people who do business with spammers
( ) dishonesty on the part of spammers themselves
( ) bandwidth costs that are unaffected by client filtering
( ) outlook
and the following philosophical objections may also apply:
( ) ideas similar to yours are easy to come up with, yet none have ever been shown practical
( ) any scheme based on opt-out is unacceptable
( ) smtp headers should not be the subject of legislation
( ) blacklists suck
( ) whitelists suck
( ) we should be able to talk about viagra without being censored
( ) countermeasures should not involve wire fraud or credit card fraud
( ) countermeasures should not involve sabotage of public networks
( ) countermeasures must work if phased in gradually
( ) sending email should be free
( ) why should we have to trust you and your servers?
( ) incompatiblity with open source or open source licenses
( ) feel-good measures do nothing to solve the problem
( ) temporary/one-time email addresses are cumbersome
( ) i don't want the government reading my email
(x) killing them that way is not slow and painful enough
furthermore, this is what i think about you:
( ) sorry dude, but i don't think it would work.
(x) this is a stupid idea, and you're a stupid person for suggesting it.
( ) nice try, assh0le!
Spam, even if is tied to the manipulation of stock market prices was unreasonably promoted to the status of a criminal charge. His initial crime should have been a civil crime with financial penalties and perhaps some community service.
The criminal charge just pushed him into greater crimes, and this is one of the few cases I truly believe that the system is more at fault than he is.
There are plenty of murderers that would never dream of spamming anyone.
I wish someone would do a study of folks who think it makes sense to kill their kids if they decide to kill themselves. It's seems like it would lead to a good way to identify people for whom some preventive counseling would be a great benefit to society. I did a little googling about it without any luck.
I get so tired of seeing these stories about parents killing themselves and their kids and just can't imagine the mindset where this makes sense to them. The evil in our world that is done to kids seems boundless, but this stuff seems different and in some ways more incomprehensible since it's usually folks who are not normally violent criminals.
Before I start, note that I'm very reluctant to blame society as a nebulous whole, and definitely not instead of the guy who pulled the trigger. But in this case methinks culture may bave played a role, IMHO.
There was this study some time ago -- IIRC even linked on Slashdot -- and made by a woman at that. It showed that girls who grew up on fairy tales like Beauty And The Beast and Cinderella have a higher chance to end up in an abusive relationship, with them as the abused spouse.
Her hypothesis was that they just don't know when to get out of it, and keep hoping that, just like they got told all their childhood, the beast will turn into a handsome and gentle prince.
But just so I don't pick on women alone, there are plenty of stories and (Japanese) CRPGs for boys too, who teach the same false lesson: that if you run into the biggest jerk, he's probably just a traumatized guy hiding behind a tough facade, and you can change him back into a nice guy by just enough support and being there for him.
At any rate, both illustrate the point, that most people don't fully understand sociopaths. Most people seem to assume that everyone is the same, and that you can simply appeal to a sociopath's humanity to make him realize the error of his ways and renounce it. And again, we have everything from short stories to novels preaching just that and making just that point. Not to mention that, depending on the part of the world, you might even have whole hordes of apologists of the great white predator, presenting him like the modern day hero and benefactor of the community.
Where this long rant is going is: she's not the only one. Most people have trouble recognizing a psychopath, and even more trouble wrapping their mind around the very concept. And again, we teach girls from early childhood that it's OK to mary a "beast", he'll turn human later.
Basically it's a bit like condemning someone for falling for the old Road Runner trick of painti1ng a tunnel on a rock. If she's the only one, sure, blame her. But if it turns out that 9 out of 10 people mistake it for a real tunnel, well, maybe she deserves some compassion after all.
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This guy got off easy.
He could have done his time in the minimum security prison (21 months) and pay his 712K to the IRS.
And kept the rest of his fortune (3.5 million in deposits).
What a sleaze bag.
Words can't describe people like this.
Complete Trash.
omg that was funny
oi! btw
I work in Chicago. Let me know if you'd like to meet and tell me that in person.
Okay; my mistake- you really *are* a sociopathic fuck!
By the way, I look forward to hearing the results of you loudly declaring your views in a public bar ("in person") that a three-year-old got what she deserved because her Dad was a spammer.
Out of curiosity, do you think that Hans Reiser's kids deserve the same fate because their father was a murderer?
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Really mine says (3096), and I cleaned it out last week. I'm really ok with being one less spammer in the world - they feed/profit off people's insecurities and depression filling them with false-hope, lies and deceiption. In my mind they are a lower class than scum. The fact that he decided to take the negative sentiment towards him against his own family just illustrate the scum that spammers are.
"With murder, you kill an individual. Suicide is the greater crime... you're effectively trying to murder the whole universe." This guy did both... it simply doesn't get any more evil.
Those guys don't like their mules kicking the wrong direction.
Seriously. :-(
Prison is a practical matter; people who can not play with others are not allowed to play, for the benefit of those who know how to behave.
It is secondary to teach them how to play with others; some people will not learn so they should be banned from the game for life. Clearly such people are mentally ill and should be treated as such. Its stupid to rotate nutcases in and out of the prison system. It warps how normal people are treated at every level of the system. One size does not fit all.
This applies generally to crimes big and small.
Serial rapists can function in society minus their offending part; except that allowing such solutions would open a Pandora's box.
What can anyone expect from a country of conformists that tortures people unlike themselves.
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That way, he can prevent them from dealing with the consequences of his failings and his suicide.
Wow, I can't think of anything more narcissistic than feeling that another human being would be better off dead than without me. I mean, it's clear now that his daughter would have been better off without him, and she would have gotten by just fine.
I wonder what kind of headjob he did on his wife to get her to break him out. Crazy mofo.
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(yeah, I know -- it's tastless... .but Randy Pausch and this spam slime died today. Guess who gets my respects.
"It's not that the good die young -- it's just that we don't care as much when the slimeballs die".
Sometimes boldness is in fashion. Sometimes only the brave will be bold.
"...and an infant was found alive in the car...along with a russian business card. Police are treating this as a suicide..."
Really mine says (3096), and I cleaned it out last week. I'm really ok with being one less spammer in the world - they feed/profit off people's insecurities and depression filling them with false-hope, lies and deceiption. In my mind they are a lower class than scum. The fact that he decided to take the negative sentiment towards him against his own family just illustrate the scum that spammers are.
I don't like spammers either. But they're paid to send unsolicited email. Really, that's the extent of it. You have to stretch things to a ridiculous point to make their actions execution-worthy.
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Mental examination test (possibly find nuts like this)
Use crimes: drugs. Its more than idiotic... its Bushthink. Take non-criminals who just use or abuse a controlled substance and send them to crime school. How about controlled legal free access to the drugs? (kill the black market; lower over all crime by more than half.)
Crazy people DO NOT belong in prison it warps the whole system.
Non-prison crimes: Cut down the corporate immunity loopholes for management. Monitoring. Alcohol testers in cars. BAN any government involvement for life if convicted of certain crimes. Creative "punishments" etc.
FAIR prosecution of police crime; they should have to video everything they do just to protect themselves.
"Communes" for certain types who need a more authoritarian environment; not as punishment. Just an idea, seems to be many that crave to drive us all into such a society.
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Death penalty for declaration of war; if you love the country so much you should be willing to sacrifice yourself when the need arises; why should the troops be the only ones?
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Since when did you give a shit about his wife and kids? Their life and death is absolutely nothing to you other than a moments though that will be drowned out on the next post.
I wonder how these headlines are taken in Hawaii, where Spam happens to be very popular.
You are so right about this blame-shifting. And could someone please tell me how an unregulated capitalist free-market economy is supposed to solve this one? There is a fundamental conflict between the concept of "limited liability" and "free market" that has not been addressed except by government regulation.
Meanwhile on a road leading back to the main topic: there's a nice little kerfuffle between el Reg and l'Inq based on some commentary in the Inquirer regarding the murder-suicide.
We are the 198 proof..
Yep, tragic. But some good can still come from it if, for instance, from now on authorities start shooting spammers on sight, just in case...
ditto.
after reading a bunch of comments, waiting for it to creep out, yet no cigar so far, thus I humbly suggest the following:
Past the idea of it, past the ugliness of it, the fact remains that we have very little in terms of retaliatory measures against the likes of him.
So we should totally re-spin this in a mis-information campaign to make it appear as though there was some form of vigilantism involved here...
adding food for thought to anyone wondering if there are any consequences to spam-ing.
http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=624513&cid=24317949
People were not actually supposed to ACT on the suggestion!
(P.S.: The above is my poor attempt at a bit of black humor, and is not a troll or flamebait.)
When he ran from custody, i told myself:
"It's not like this guy is a murderer, so even if he gives the cops a good run, I don't really care."
Turn out I was wrong.
If you see major differences between the mentalities of the two (spammers and mass murderers) please detail them here.
Uh, spammers don't kill people? Murder and espionage are the only two crimes worth of the death penalty (as the law stands now).
What we can learn from this is that we need to THINK about the consequences of our actions.
Would he have kept doing this if he had stopped for a second and considered "what's the worst thing that can happen if I keep doing this?"
Stop for a second and consider something you are doing that might turn out badly. This is slashdot so none of you are having affairs that could get you or someone else killed but perhaps you are thinking of cheating on a test (death to your degree) or actively disengaged from work (which is bad with the recession that's coming).
Poor woman. Poor little 3 year old. Poor grandparents. Was it worth it? Is what you may be doing worth the possible consequences?
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
Natural selection works.
There is a lot to be said of the value of human life. It is priceless. It is a gift.
Such ignorant twaddle.
Value is a measure of scarcity. People are a dime a fucking dozen, hence not priceless. Not even of much value. We turn out a million a day.
Now you'll probably say that I'm like Hitler and Stalin and other idiotic comparisons like that but that's nonsense.
I don't think people should be beaten tortured or murdered at will, but phrasing it in such a fucking retarded way which is blatantly false just makes an actual discussion leading to actual valid ethical principles very unlikely.
He was only in for 4 month but I hope he was raped many times before his escape. Suicide is too good for spammers.
Ummmmmm, I think I speak for everyone when I say that those rules appear to have just changed.
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Besides, there is nothing wrong with laughing at a good joke, even if it's about someones dead.
The most horrible things in life are the ones we have to learn to laugh at.
WTF am I doing replying to an AC at 5 A.M on a Friday night?
Go fuck yourself. That 'humor' is irresponsible, reprehensible, and, above all, unfunny.
Don't you think you should pick a nick without "Punk" in it if you're just going to be a whiny little bitch with a sandy vagina?
Seriously.
It is amazing to me how people on Slashdot who play cracked video games, download mp3s of music they don't own, speed over the speed limit, etc. etc. decide that a guy who sends out a bunch of e-mail for profit should die. And that people who love that person must also be guilty of something. Seriously, get over yourself. How the hell can you say "she knew what kind of relationship she was getting into when she started it"? She knew this guy was going to kill her. This is the second dumbest thing I have read that was moderated up this week. But that one was colossally stupid...any other week you would win.
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I'm not sure if you're aware of this but you weren't the victim in this story. I know, I know, it's very hard to consider other people but there is a 3 year old girl dead, a middle aged woman dead and an injured teen. All of them (to our knowledge) completely innocent.
The children are most certainly innocent. Children can't choose their parents. However, the wife is not innocent. She made a choice to stay with this slimeball, knowing his profession. Is the wife of a Mafia hitman innocent? No. And neither was this woman.
This doesn't mean she deserved to die, but I do want to point out that she's not "innocent", not in the same way as the children. In fact, she bears much of the blame for this, because 1) she married this sociopathic jerk, and had kids with him, and 2) she helped him escape from prison, and brought him to the children where he then killed and injured them. She's as much to blame for this act as he is, in my opinion. It's just like cases where a woman has a violent boyfriend who abuses and kills her child. These days, not only does he go to prison for murder, she does too because she stood there and did nothing, and failed to protect her children from him. A mother has a high obligation to protect her children from danger, including her male lovers, and this woman completely failed.
Spamming IS a dissocial personality disorder. Lack of empathy, a generally antisocial attitude, lack of honesty, possibly even a sadistic streak.
If you look at it from a statistical level, a good deal of people working in the tech industry are, with apologies, nerds. People who tend to think differently from the established norm also tend to have certain psychological problems (as the old saying goes, there's a thin line between genius and madness).
Steve Jobs: Narcissistic egotism and antisocial behavior (well documented).
Bill Gates: Possible asperger syndrome (watch his videos).
Steve Balmer: Just plain nuts (ditto).
Terry Childs: Probable paranoid schizophrenia.
The list could easily be expanded to celebrities like Tom Cruise, and inventors, Henry Ford (paranoid with racist qualities), all the way down to people in government (from J Edgar Hoover up through the presidents themselves).
While I've gone off track a little, to imply that spammers are just blameless, mischevious, kind hearted elves is a bit off track. With their criminal ties, the mob and like profiting from their work, every mob hit is directly funded in part from spammers.
Considering how many mission critical systems are frequently attacked and even turned into botnets for spammers, how long until a hospital system gets messed up and a patient dies because the pharmacy system orders V1@Gr@ for everybody? Think about it, won't we? Thank you.
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I'm sorry that you have so little value for a human life. Please don't misunderstand; I'm pro death penalty.
So what you mean to say is that you are a whiny hypocritical douchebag who can't even maintain simple principles in your own head without leading to massive internal contradictions?
How much does anybody want to bet that this sociopathic dickhead calls himself a Christian?
You do realize that ou destroy your credibility with half the population by putting planned parenthood at the top of he murder list?
Also, how are suicide bombers a murder agency? I don't see how it benefits anyone financially.
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Ok, i didn't actually want to get into this discussion, as it's basically an invite to get your karma kicked - but do you really, honestly, consider spamming to be a crime worthy of death ?
Yes, spamming is definitely a crime, yes it's bloody annoying (oh, i know...), yes the people doing it should be punished for it.
But is it such a serious crime ?
Can you actually compare a flood of emails into your inbox, something you can set as "Not Spam" and not see again if the filters are holding, or something you can get away from, at least temporarily by switching email addresses - something that only affects an email address, which is only a small part of your life - to being beaten in the street to within an inch of your life, or getting robbed of your most favorite possessions, or getting killed, or any other really awful crimes that you cannot ignore when they happen to you, as they affect your entire life ?
It's just a question of scale...
I feel the case very well could have been someone tracking him down and trying to set a example for spammers worldwide by going after the family as well. I imagine even murderers and terrorists are peeved about getting spam, and they have the means to take justice into their own hands.
I hope for you and for your children that you are a good parent. Though try to consider a situation where you would have been sent to jail for some stupid little thing as some weed or that you had downloaded some music on BitTorrent. That the judge wanted to make an example out of you, that you were totally ridiculed infront of all your family and friends cause they didn't really know what your job was really about. The IRS then takes posession of your home and all your money (fair enough in a certain way if you took that money from people doing spam). Imagine a situation where you were in some crappy prison (like most prisons in the USA, be it minimum or maximum security, they are mostly extremely crappy). Your wife visits you and you see an opportunity to speed off with the car. Maybe your wife comes and tells you that she wants to leave you or something. Now you took the car and left not really thinking about the consequences. You're considering escaping to Mexico or something. But then, you find out by switching on the TV or logging onto the Internet that the FBI, U.S. Marshals, the IRS and the Rocky Mountain Safe Streets Task Force is after you, which makes it practically impossible to escape. And they have shotguns, they might even know where you are. While logging on the Internet you see that Slashdot and a thousand other blogs are making fun of you, the whole Internet is making fun of you. You see, bad circumstances and bad luck can always lead to bad situations and atrocious behavior under very unusual stressful conditions.
Hans is an ass, but at least I can explain what Hans did. Spammers have no right to exist.
But this is slashdot. A slashdoter who didn't build his own computer is like a Jedi who didn't build his own lightsaber!
Maybe he read the comments of the last slashdot article about him and extrapolated that loathing out to all of society.That would make someone snap.
Also, how are suicide bombers a murder agency? I don't see how it benefits anyone financially.
Saddam Hussein used to pay sizeable chunks of cash to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Don't know if Hezbollah or Hamas has the money to continue the practice or not.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
they feed/profit off people's greed, idiocy, and lack of common sense.
There, fixed that for you. 99.99999% of all spam is immediately recognizable as BULLSHIT by anyone with half a brain. Anyone who buys any of the crap from a bulk email quite frankly deserves to lose their money. They made a conscious and voluntary choice to get that cheap v1agra and rolexes, and they chose poorly.
I have no love for spammers, and I wouldn't mind not having to empty out my Junk mail folder everyday. But the sheer amount of raw hatred you and everyone else has for them - why? Seriously, is it THAT big a deal to filter out some junk mail? There are far worse crimes in the world being perpetrated every day.
Programmer: an ingenious device that converts caffeine into code.
Yes, atheists say "god damn it" and "go to hell". They are English idioms like any other.
The "rule of thumb" refers to wife beating tools. Nobody thinks of it that way anymore.
Other languages have similar idioms. Spanish has many Arabic words in it. Yet, the Spanish are Catholic, and fought the Arabic Moors.
"Ojala que calle!" literally means "may Allah shut you up!"
Stop spamming the slashdot with your unsolicited 2076 novel URL. I did not ask for it, it is totally unrelated to the discussion. Putting that link in your profile is despicable, I hope your wife doesn't know about it.
Sad story, even a tragedy--and yet I feel like the spammer deserved it. Actually, I'm not sure whether or not the wife was innocent. It's possible she encouraged him in his spamming ways. However, the child certainly didn't deserve such a parent.
In one sense it's such a sick story that I don't care. However, there is something to be learned there. How about "Greed is *NOT* good" as a moral? I think it's impossible for a sane person to really imagine what is going on inside such a mind, but I'm convinced that greed for "easy" money is part of it.
And I still feel the spammer deserved worse. I hate spammers too much?
A suggestion to reduce spam
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In my opinion, anyone that celebrates his death ignores his final crime and should be held in the utmost contempt.
Which 'final crime' are you referring to? I celebrate the death of anyone who kills his family. If you're pro-death penalty, wouldn't the killing of his family 'warrant his death'? If not, then what crime would?
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He didn't kill the family, they were assassinated.
Think about it, the type of person involved with a spam business of that size is probably also involved with other shady business. Perhaps he owed some people some money?
The guy goes to prison and is forced to hand over his profits; profits that may have been owed to someone else. He hears about an assassination plot against him and flees the prison.
The people who issued the termination contract find out that the guy escaped and hunt him down. They take out his wife and anyone else that might know about what's been going on. They leave the 3 year-old alone since it's not a liability.
I'm not sure yet how the teenager was involved, but the news article didn't provide any details on who they were or who's house the incident happened at.
Also, how are suicide bombers a murder agency? I don't see how it benefits anyone financially.
Depends. What's the current purchase price of 70 virgins?
Seriously though, if there is profit in it, it is to the people who run the operations, not the suicide bombers themselves.
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Hmm, you have a source on that? It's not that I don't believe you, as much as that I assume anything related to Iraq is FUD.
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Mmmm....gotta disagree with you there. I can't imagine the GP AC was speaking seriously, and you are obviously trolling, but outside of a locker room 'gay' means 'a man attracted to other men.' Sexual kinks like enjoying anal penetration doesn't make a man gay. (Likewise, a woman can enjoy anal penetration without it making her some twisted kinky slut.)
Can't imagine anyone will read this post at this point, but just figured I'd weigh in as someone who has a penis and likes women and has enjoyed anal penetration.
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Hmm, you have a source on that?
Google for "Saddam suicide bombers", and you'll see CBS and the BBC in the first couple of hits.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
...the only conclusion I can extract is that I hope you never breed, we need less people on this earth that act like you just did.
I agree. That is exactly what the spam king was trying to do. Any woman who would stick with a man while he's stealing and defrauding from millions of people is a piece of trash. He realized his mistake of breeding, so he escaped from jail to end his bloodline and punish his wife for allowing him to do what he did, preventing her from finding and breeding with another guy like him. He then took his own life to benefit society.
Disclaimer: I don't really think the child and kid deserved to die, but the irony is just too thick tonight.
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Election day SHOULD be a holiday; its fitting that it gets the LACK of respect that it does.
Some countries that require it end up with similar results as people who don't care all cancel out.
The MONEY from fines helps FUND the voting system. Think of it as a non-use tax; since its illegal to create a poll tax (Georgia brought it back.)
Lazy who do not go vote but are informed enough to elect somebody need a push. There are other things on ballots besides federal politicians...
I totally understand the game is rigged; more than most.
Even if 100% corrupt (including ballot initiatives) the LEAST that should be done is to have a yearly REMINDER of how pathetic things are-- too many americans ignore the problem because its not "Disney" and they are wimps.
The citizens get a government that reflects them as a people. We have Evil Homer (Simpson) because most the voters are Homer-- and the type who climb to the top are not often the nice (and Homer isn't a good judge of character.)
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We don't execute people for how they think, we execute for what they do. Spam doesn't kill people. It's a huge nuisance, but at worst it disrupts communications. Hacking computers can be destructive, but we already have crimes in place to deal with that.
You're talking about imposing death for economic loss. That goes way beyond the definition of cruel and unusual in any civilized country. Until a spammer actually kills someone, you can't possibly justify taking their life. Dangerous, sure. Lock them up, demand treatment for their mental deficiencies, ok. But taking their life for thoughtcrime? Now that's scary.
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On his part, what a waste of space.
On the part of his family, what a waste of life and potential. :(
I hope hell reserves a special place for him.
This guy was scum. Just got a little bothered by the "That's something a criminal would do" tone of the post I replied to, that's all.
I was probably reading a little too much into his response and I see someone beat me to the sentiment, so not much else to say, really.
Shame about his family.
Hans is an ass, but at least I can explain what Hans did.
You can? Please enlighten us.
The only thing that was clear about that case was that Hans killed his wife, and even that was only after he admitted it and showed them where the body was to get more favourable parole terms. (Some considered the judicial process that convicted Reiser to be flawed even if- in retrospect- it's clear that it came to the correct conclusion).
Beyond that, the circumstances and motivations behind the killing are still unclear. If you can explain anything beyond that, it would be very enlightening.
Spammers have no right to exist.
Nor do their three-year-old children, apparently.
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That child had NO reason to be killed.
The thing deserved to be killed. It was his offspring, his progeny, not to mention that it was raised under the spammer. Who's to say that it wouldn't become a spammer itself? It is certainly within it's genes. Children of rapists and murderers usually become rapists and murderers themselves. The spammer didn't deserve to have a child, and at the end, he saw the light and committed justice on himself, and his family that were accomplices to his crimes.
I just wish that more criminals would do this. It would make the world a safer place for the rest of us.
The two people he killed were his wife and daughter. This is Darwin at it's best, because his genes are gone now, and the genes of his mate too. I don't see why I should feel any sadness for a dead spammer - he showed disregard for so many people he didn't even know.
Sad cos a kid died? Kids under the age of 4 show less self-awareness than pigs. IMHO, the only reason they are so heavily protected is because of parents distress at their harming. In this case there are no parents to grieve. Sad for his wife? She lived from profits made at the expense of the powerless rage of millions of people. Was she not aware of what he was doing?
I'm not saying that murdering spammers and their families is acceptable - but when they do it for us, are we supposed to feel sad? I feel about as sad as he felt, when he sent another million emails.
And I know this will get modded to hell and frankly don't care,is why I posted this story a good 12 hours before and it just sat in pending until Kdawson posted it? I have had submissions sit for as long as 3 days until one of the old guys bother posting the exact same story before they reject it. So WTF? Why do you keep asking for submissions if you only want the old guys to post them? And if you were going to reject it,why keep it rotting in pending until one of the old guys post the exact same thing almost word for word?
ACs don't waste your time replying, your posts are never seen by me.
You don't think you inferred it when you lumped them together with the phrase "sick people both"?
Interesting. Anyway, resorting to swearing often means you have too poor a vocabulary and insufficient intelligence to express your "thoughts" any other way. But enough about you.
By the way 'infer', the word I used above, means to say something without saying it, to hint at it in a roundabout way. You probably get it confused with 'imply'.
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not funny.
If you are serious: why not?
Short posts are bound to lack information and lacks non-verbal communication, style and context of a live discussion which contributes to miscommunication; resulting in a much greater need for follow up.
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