No offense, you kind of contradicted yourself there.
Here's a newsflash for you. What benefits American corporations benefits the American government, but not necessarily the general US populace.
Right after saying:
Have you any idea what your foreign policies are like? Have you any idea why and how indians are allowed to 'take your jobs'?
Your governments mantra is: Free trade and free exchange of labour! And with a whisper they add (As long as it benefits US corporations)
The American people do not pick and choose their foreign policies. As much as we'd like to think we do, we don't control what the govt. does.
Most of the people complaining in here are average joes like you and I who have absolutely no say whatsoever in the way things are.
The reason why companies are going elsewhere is cost of development. They think, "Why pay a programmer $45,000 a year when we can pay someone from India $12 an hour?" (or whatever the going rate is)
If people in India can't even find decent jobs and need to find work from American companies where they will get paid peanuts, what makes Americans think they'll get lucky and find a good paying job there?
You'll get paid as much, if not LESS, than what the Indian residents could get. At that rate you might as well take a paycut and go work IN-HOUSE for the company who's willing to pay less for someone from India.
Employment increases, companies won't have to shell out as much (greedy asses), and everyone's happy! Right?
I've had a few of my domains blacklisted for NO REASON and contacting those sites did absolutely NOTHING.
"Why did I get blacklisted? I'm not a spammer."
Them: "Oh yeah? Prove it."
WTF? Me prove it?! How about they show me one SINGLE shred of evidence that I spammed in my life!
For the most part, all of my email goes through, but sometimes that ONE client won't get my email and it almost always happens to be on something very important. If you're gonna do it, do it right. Don't just point fingers and say, "You're blacklisted. You spam." without giving any basis for argument.
Who the hell died an made these guys in charge of a damn thing?
Wow, those RIAA sure know how to clean up the streets to make it a safer place for the rest of us!
That 12 year old girl is definitely a menace to society and should be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. That'll teach those criminals.!
If you're saying, "Oh that's bullshit they're suing a 12 year old girl," then just think of how safer the streets would be without this internet thug running around downloading songs left and right.
Helping her brother with homework? BAH! That's an innocent facade that's used to hide her true nature. She's a HORRIBLE MUSIC DOWNLOADER!!
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I wonder how these assholes can sleep at night.
Shit like this just makes me want to download more and more CDs without paying. Makes me wanna go out and spend $20 on 100 CD-Rs and make CDs for everyone I know just so it fucks the RIAA. That's all it does. Brews animosity.
Wow, those RIAA sure know how to clean up the streets to make it a safer place for the rest of us!
That 12 year old girl is definitely a menace to society and should be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. That'll teach those criminals.!
If you're saying, "Oh that's bullshit they're suing a 12 year old girl," then just think of how safer the streets would be without this internet thug running around downloading songs left and right.
Helping her brother with homework? BAH! That's an innocent facade that's used to hide her true nature. She's a HORRIBLE MUSIC DOWNLOADER!!
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I wonder how these assholes can sleep at night.
I was never really pro-piracy.. always kept a level head, "Yeah sure, I'll pay for a CD to support my favorite artists," but shit like this just makes me want to pirate more and more. That's all it does. Brewing animosity.
I knew what you were talking about. I think you misunderstood.
Ok, so say I have those 3 songs I like in my download folder, which is shared. Someone else comes along to download them.
That is not stealing. Again, with the example I used before, the RIAA didn't LOSE anything excepot a potential sale, as the person downloading *probably* wasn't going to buy it anyway.
Running out w/ a pair of socks from Walmart, that's stealing.
Downloading songs that you probably weren't gonna pay for to begin with is not really stealing. They aren't LOSING anything except a POTENTIAL sale.
Still with me?
Let's say I heard a buzz about Band X. I never heard of them before. I'm sure as hell not gonna spend $15 on their CD especially if I've never heard it!
Maybe I hear a song or two by them on the radio, or from a sample from Yahoo Music or whatever. I'm not a sucker, so I'm gonna want to make sure the rest of the songs are good. Keep in mind, as of this moment, I have NO intention on buying the CD. I'm merely curious.
I download the album, listen to it. Eh, it's okay. Maybe I like two or three songs that AREN'T on the radio. I'm not spending $15 on the CD, that's for sure! As of now, I still have no intention on buying the CD.
Never have, never had, never will.
How is that stealing?
That's like going to a restaurant, getting crappy food, and walking out. You aren't OBLIGATED to pay for it if it's unsatisfactory. If you wait an hour to get some steak and it's horribly undercooked and you don't feel like waiting any more, there's nothing wrong with walking out and not paying a dime.
It's not illegal to download it at all. It's illegal to share that downloaded material with others.
If I buy a CD and it gets scratched/damaged, I have every right to download a replacement.
A 14 year old kid downloading an mp3 in his room is not a menace to society. They can sue that kid all they want, but you do think he's gonna buy another CD in his life? Hell no.
If *I* were getting sued by the RIAA, I'd just switch to usenet. I'm sure everyone around me would be pissed that I got sued by them and they probably wouldn't buy CDs anymore either.
This is a completely different time now when the news runs BS stories about possible terrorist attacks, sniper shootings, pregnant mothers murdered, etc...
While I agree it's not particularly wise to introduce a 10 year old to the harsh realities of this world all at once, I think it'd be better to be honest with a child and teach him that the world is NOT a nice place while also teaching him the importance of right & wrong.
My 11 year old cousin is VERY mature for his age. This might sound odd, but we (his family) have no issues with letting him play things like GTA3 because he KNOWS that it's JUST a video game. He KNOWS where the line between reality/video games is. He knows the world isn't a nice place.
I can honestly say he was raised perfectly and if I had a child of my own, I would try and do the exact same.
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime.
All you have to do is teach someone who doesn't know. Explain to them how to aquire MP3s and how to go about downloading them. If they're worried about the lawsuits, introduce them to usenet, the land of the plentiful.
If they don't already have a CD burner, talk them into getting one. Explain to them that a CD burner is around the cost of 5 CDs.
Show them these articles and explain the manipulation the RIAA uses to get their way.
Last, but not least, explain to them that they don't ever have to buy another CD ever again. It's about time the general public raises their voice and responds with, "Yeah, whatever. We're not afraid of you and we're not going to give you another dime."
My own response to the RIAA crackdown was to get a Netflix account, get into fansubs, and swear off CD purchases for life.
That's exactly what I'm doing.
Netflix is a great way to copy DVDs. $20 a month ($14 if you commit for 6 months) gets you 3 DVDs out at one time. Takes about 1-2 days to get there/back.
You can copy 12 DVDs a week if they're fast enough (provided you get your mail hours before the last pickup at the post office mail box, that is).
CDs.. never again. New movies in the theaters... alt.binaries.svcd and the like, baby.
I'll continue to do this until the RIAA/MPAA stops their bullying tactics.
I know others might not agree with my methods and I might get a lot of backlash for a response like this, but hey, that's what makes us all different. All I care about is the peace of mind that I have in knowing that my money isn't going toward their crap lawsuits.
It's really irritating that they're still charging so much for this old technology.
I pay like $69 a month for a 3800/480 connection, which is RIDICULOUS. It should be no more than $39 for that speed. 1500/240 should be around $15-20.
Look at when the whole "internet thing" took off in '95/'96 and AOL was charging $ per HOUR for DIAL-UP usage.. then changed to $19.95 a month unlimited.
Now you get other places like Netzero/Juno goin for $4 a month unlimited. With AOL, you're just payin for the name.
I'd really like to see exactly what I'm payin $69 a month for. "Oh, 20% of that goes toward keeping the network up and we pocket the rest cuz we can and because you can't get a better deal anywhere else."
1. Factory machines are WAY over-priced to begin with. Existing Linux users already know the benefit of piecing a machine together themselves and how much it shaves off the price.
2. If they are trying to attract "new" computer users (or users who aren't as experienced) to Linux, they're in for quite a surprise when they get massive amounts of returns. "Hey, none of my existing software works with this.. This machine is going back to the store!"
Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems like this would only benefit in corporate environments where they need to use Linux and don't have time to piece together machines.
Ever see Strange Days?
I want a device that could manipulate brain waves to create a virtual world of sorts.
Maybe it could be re-living memories like in the movie (remember when he paid those lesbians to make out wearing the recording device so he could capture their memory?! *wink wink*) or some type of video game.
But yeah, as mentioned previously, I want my damn flying car so when I hit some nasty traffic, I can just zoom up above it all and people can point and stare and think to themselves, "Ooooh that man is soo cool! I would like to get tender with him."
So if you need to pop out the old battery to put a new one in, wouldn't that get a bit expensive? I'd rather have a battery that can only go 2 hours that I need to plug in to recharge overnight than to spend $20 a month in battery refills.
Or are these refillable a la Zippo lighters?
Tell me about it.
I'm left handed. I use my mouse with my right hand.
If I try to write words, there are backwards letters, squiggles, and new letters that I didn't even know existed.
I don't think this will take off.
Ever tried signing your name with your mouse? Reminds me of pictures I'd draw and put my name on when I was 4.
When I use my credit card in person, each and every time I sign it differently so it DOESN'T match the signature on the back of my card just to see if anyone says anything. No one says a word. Even got away with signing "Blooooopy!" and no one noticed (no, my name is not Blooooopy!)
If existing methods are trivial, how would this method work?
I don't see how Windows isn't secure.
I've always used windows. Dual boot w/ Linux, so yes I have had experience w/ other OSes.
Never once has my Windows box been hacked or compromised. I keep up with patches and system updates. Never once aquired a virus.
Now, I've never had a problem with my Linux box either, but I know plenty of people who run both Windows and Linux servers and let me tell you, their Linux servers have been hacked/compromised more times than their Windows servers, which has been a grand total of 0 times.
Yes, call it stupid sys-admining on their part or whatever, but still.
Windows users not updating a critical patch is equivalent to someone running Apache or whatever and not updating if a major security hole has been fixed.
Open ports.. big wow. I have open ports on my boxes. There still has to be an exploit in order to do anything w/ them though.
Well, in my case, there are a few artists I love who happen to be on some labels that are with the RIAA. Unfortunately, I can't buy their CD. I want to, but I can't. I won't.
I'll support them other ways though, maybe by seeing them live, buying a T-shirt or two.
If there was a way to pay them directly, I'd be all for it.
Regarding movies, I'm the same way, except I justify it by remembering all the times I shelled out cash to see some horrible crappy movie.
How many millions did Gigli make? Not much compared to others, but for the fact it made SOMETHING... there's justification right there:)
You don't gotta agree with it, but it's completely understandable.
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hahahaha, well you're an ansty young fellow, aren't you?
Not one thing you said was even remotely relevant to "bitching americans" aka people being concerned about losing their IT jobs.
If you're talking about americans who are concerned about 9/11, it's pretty much off topic.
Do you even know what you're angry at? Pick one. Is it american people who care for their jobs or the way our govt. deals with foreign policy?
No offense, you kind of contradicted yourself there.
Here's a newsflash for you. What benefits American corporations benefits the American government, but not necessarily the general US populace.
Right after saying:
Have you any idea what your foreign policies are like? Have you any idea why and how indians are allowed to 'take your jobs'? Your governments mantra is: Free trade and free exchange of labour! And with a whisper they add (As long as it benefits US corporations)
The American people do not pick and choose their foreign policies. As much as we'd like to think we do, we don't control what the govt. does.
Most of the people complaining in here are average joes like you and I who have absolutely no say whatsoever in the way things are.
This doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
The reason why companies are going elsewhere is cost of development. They think, "Why pay a programmer $45,000 a year when we can pay someone from India $12 an hour?" (or whatever the going rate is)
If people in India can't even find decent jobs and need to find work from American companies where they will get paid peanuts, what makes Americans think they'll get lucky and find a good paying job there?
You'll get paid as much, if not LESS, than what the Indian residents could get. At that rate you might as well take a paycut and go work IN-HOUSE for the company who's willing to pay less for someone from India.
Employment increases, companies won't have to shell out as much (greedy asses), and everyone's happy! Right?
They made windows. Most of these file-sharers use windows, right? Yeah!
I've had a few of my domains blacklisted for NO REASON and contacting those sites did absolutely NOTHING.
"Why did I get blacklisted? I'm not a spammer."
Them: "Oh yeah? Prove it."
WTF? Me prove it?! How about they show me one SINGLE shred of evidence that I spammed in my life!
For the most part, all of my email goes through, but sometimes that ONE client won't get my email and it almost always happens to be on something very important. If you're gonna do it, do it right. Don't just point fingers and say, "You're blacklisted. You spam." without giving any basis for argument.
Who the hell died an made these guys in charge of a damn thing?
and I'll say it again:
Wow, those RIAA sure know how to clean up the streets to make it a safer place for the rest of us!
That 12 year old girl is definitely a menace to society and should be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. That'll teach those criminals.!
If you're saying, "Oh that's bullshit they're suing a 12 year old girl," then just think of how safer the streets would be without this internet thug running around downloading songs left and right.
Helping her brother with homework? BAH! That's an innocent facade that's used to hide her true nature. She's a HORRIBLE MUSIC DOWNLOADER!!
[/sarcasm]
I wonder how these assholes can sleep at night.
Shit like this just makes me want to download more and more CDs without paying. Makes me wanna go out and spend $20 on 100 CD-Rs and make CDs for everyone I know just so it fucks the RIAA. That's all it does. Brews animosity.
Wow, those RIAA sure know how to clean up the streets to make it a safer place for the rest of us!
That 12 year old girl is definitely a menace to society and should be dealt with to the fullest extent of the law. That'll teach those criminals.!
If you're saying, "Oh that's bullshit they're suing a 12 year old girl," then just think of how safer the streets would be without this internet thug running around downloading songs left and right.
Helping her brother with homework? BAH! That's an innocent facade that's used to hide her true nature. She's a HORRIBLE MUSIC DOWNLOADER!!
[/sarcasm]
I wonder how these assholes can sleep at night.
I was never really pro-piracy.. always kept a level head, "Yeah sure, I'll pay for a CD to support my favorite artists," but shit like this just makes me want to pirate more and more. That's all it does. Brewing animosity.
I knew what you were talking about. I think you misunderstood.
Ok, so say I have those 3 songs I like in my download folder, which is shared. Someone else comes along to download them.
That is not stealing. Again, with the example I used before, the RIAA didn't LOSE anything excepot a potential sale, as the person downloading *probably* wasn't going to buy it anyway.
Running out w/ a pair of socks from Walmart, that's stealing.
Downloading songs that you probably weren't gonna pay for to begin with is not really stealing. They aren't LOSING anything except a POTENTIAL sale.
Still with me?
Let's say I heard a buzz about Band X. I never heard of them before. I'm sure as hell not gonna spend $15 on their CD especially if I've never heard it!
Maybe I hear a song or two by them on the radio, or from a sample from Yahoo Music or whatever. I'm not a sucker, so I'm gonna want to make sure the rest of the songs are good. Keep in mind, as of this moment, I have NO intention on buying the CD. I'm merely curious.
I download the album, listen to it. Eh, it's okay. Maybe I like two or three songs that AREN'T on the radio. I'm not spending $15 on the CD, that's for sure! As of now, I still have no intention on buying the CD.
Never have, never had, never will.
How is that stealing?
That's like going to a restaurant, getting crappy food, and walking out. You aren't OBLIGATED to pay for it if it's unsatisfactory. If you wait an hour to get some steak and it's horribly undercooked and you don't feel like waiting any more, there's nothing wrong with walking out and not paying a dime.
Yeah, those file shares sure are horrible people and a threat to our society and way of life!!
Damn those criminals! Damn them all to hell!
Actually, the artists own the songs.
They certainly aren't making examples of these people.
If anything, they're creating animosity against themselves. Shooting themselves in the foot and kicking themselves in the ass.
These lawsuits are even more reason to not buy another CD ever again.
It's not illegal to download it at all. It's illegal to share that downloaded material with others.
If I buy a CD and it gets scratched/damaged, I have every right to download a replacement.
A 14 year old kid downloading an mp3 in his room is not a menace to society. They can sue that kid all they want, but you do think he's gonna buy another CD in his life? Hell no.
If *I* were getting sued by the RIAA, I'd just switch to usenet. I'm sure everyone around me would be pissed that I got sued by them and they probably wouldn't buy CDs anymore either.
Amen to that.
This is a completely different time now when the news runs BS stories about possible terrorist attacks, sniper shootings, pregnant mothers murdered, etc...
While I agree it's not particularly wise to introduce a 10 year old to the harsh realities of this world all at once, I think it'd be better to be honest with a child and teach him that the world is NOT a nice place while also teaching him the importance of right & wrong.
My 11 year old cousin is VERY mature for his age. This might sound odd, but we (his family) have no issues with letting him play things like GTA3 because he KNOWS that it's JUST a video game. He KNOWS where the line between reality/video games is. He knows the world isn't a nice place.
I can honestly say he was raised perfectly and if I had a child of my own, I would try and do the exact same.
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime.
All you have to do is teach someone who doesn't know. Explain to them how to aquire MP3s and how to go about downloading them. If they're worried about the lawsuits, introduce them to usenet, the land of the plentiful.
If they don't already have a CD burner, talk them into getting one. Explain to them that a CD burner is around the cost of 5 CDs.
Show them these articles and explain the manipulation the RIAA uses to get their way.
Last, but not least, explain to them that they don't ever have to buy another CD ever again. It's about time the general public raises their voice and responds with, "Yeah, whatever. We're not afraid of you and we're not going to give you another dime."
My own response to the RIAA crackdown was to get a Netflix account, get into fansubs, and swear off CD purchases for life.
That's exactly what I'm doing.
Netflix is a great way to copy DVDs. $20 a month ($14 if you commit for 6 months) gets you 3 DVDs out at one time. Takes about 1-2 days to get there/back.
You can copy 12 DVDs a week if they're fast enough (provided you get your mail hours before the last pickup at the post office mail box, that is).
CDs.. never again. New movies in the theaters... alt.binaries.svcd and the like, baby.
I'll continue to do this until the RIAA/MPAA stops their bullying tactics.
I know others might not agree with my methods and I might get a lot of backlash for a response like this, but hey, that's what makes us all different. All I care about is the peace of mind that I have in knowing that my money isn't going toward their crap lawsuits.
It's really irritating that they're still charging so much for this old technology. I pay like $69 a month for a 3800/480 connection, which is RIDICULOUS. It should be no more than $39 for that speed. 1500/240 should be around $15-20. Look at when the whole "internet thing" took off in '95/'96 and AOL was charging $ per HOUR for DIAL-UP usage.. then changed to $19.95 a month unlimited. Now you get other places like Netzero/Juno goin for $4 a month unlimited. With AOL, you're just payin for the name. I'd really like to see exactly what I'm payin $69 a month for. "Oh, 20% of that goes toward keeping the network up and we pocket the rest cuz we can and because you can't get a better deal anywhere else."
It's HIS song. He purchased it.
Or... are they gonna get all technical on him, "Well, no, you purchased a license to download and listen to it."
Any fine print in those contracts?
1. Factory machines are WAY over-priced to begin with. Existing Linux users already know the benefit of piecing a machine together themselves and how much it shaves off the price.
2. If they are trying to attract "new" computer users (or users who aren't as experienced) to Linux, they're in for quite a surprise when they get massive amounts of returns. "Hey, none of my existing software works with this.. This machine is going back to the store!"
Maybe I'm missing something here, but it seems like this would only benefit in corporate environments where they need to use Linux and don't have time to piece together machines.
Ever see Strange Days? I want a device that could manipulate brain waves to create a virtual world of sorts. Maybe it could be re-living memories like in the movie (remember when he paid those lesbians to make out wearing the recording device so he could capture their memory?! *wink wink*) or some type of video game. But yeah, as mentioned previously, I want my damn flying car so when I hit some nasty traffic, I can just zoom up above it all and people can point and stare and think to themselves, "Ooooh that man is soo cool! I would like to get tender with him."
So if you need to pop out the old battery to put a new one in, wouldn't that get a bit expensive? I'd rather have a battery that can only go 2 hours that I need to plug in to recharge overnight than to spend $20 a month in battery refills. Or are these refillable a la Zippo lighters?
Tell me about it. I'm left handed. I use my mouse with my right hand. If I try to write words, there are backwards letters, squiggles, and new letters that I didn't even know existed.
I don't think this will take off. Ever tried signing your name with your mouse? Reminds me of pictures I'd draw and put my name on when I was 4. When I use my credit card in person, each and every time I sign it differently so it DOESN'T match the signature on the back of my card just to see if anyone says anything. No one says a word. Even got away with signing "Blooooopy!" and no one noticed (no, my name is not Blooooopy!) If existing methods are trivial, how would this method work?
I don't see how Windows isn't secure. I've always used windows. Dual boot w/ Linux, so yes I have had experience w/ other OSes. Never once has my Windows box been hacked or compromised. I keep up with patches and system updates. Never once aquired a virus. Now, I've never had a problem with my Linux box either, but I know plenty of people who run both Windows and Linux servers and let me tell you, their Linux servers have been hacked/compromised more times than their Windows servers, which has been a grand total of 0 times. Yes, call it stupid sys-admining on their part or whatever, but still. Windows users not updating a critical patch is equivalent to someone running Apache or whatever and not updating if a major security hole has been fixed. Open ports.. big wow. I have open ports on my boxes. There still has to be an exploit in order to do anything w/ them though.
Well, in my case, there are a few artists I love who happen to be on some labels that are with the RIAA. Unfortunately, I can't buy their CD. I want to, but I can't. I won't. I'll support them other ways though, maybe by seeing them live, buying a T-shirt or two. If there was a way to pay them directly, I'd be all for it. Regarding movies, I'm the same way, except I justify it by remembering all the times I shelled out cash to see some horrible crappy movie. How many millions did Gigli make? Not much compared to others, but for the fact it made SOMETHING... there's justification right there :)
You don't gotta agree with it, but it's completely understandable.