Pirate networks can provide the product you want, when the company you PAY cannot.
Since the vast majority of FOSSies have never, ever worked in IT, this is the kind of mistake they keep making. It never has been, and never will be, about the money.
The "pirate networks" CAN provide the product, but what they can't provide is reliability or security. Do you really think an organization with millions of dollars invested in computer hardware is going to trust a service pack not obtained from a trusted source? Do you really think an organization is SOOO burning to get their hands on a service pack that they can't wait a month or two?
Um. That was the whole point of the article. Organizations are burning to get their hands on the update, but MS won't release it.
That's the problem with about 90% of "major controversies" revealed by Slashdot's MS FUD: the things they pule about aren't issues with IT professionals. But they are major concerns of people pretending to be IT professionals.
You mean the IT professionals posting to MSDN complaining to Microsoft about Microsoft. They aren't shouting into the wind, they want the release to test so they can continue developing software that runs on Windows. These aren't Stallmanites making stuff up to make (GNU/)Linux look better, these are people who use - and want to continue to use - software from Microsoft. And they pay to do it too. Of course I probably only fed the troll without contributing anything.
Interesting. You state that it works fine for like three things. Do the games require Vista or was there another reason for installing it? I don't see any compelling reason in your list for me to upgrade.
If I had a way to track them, I'd be much happier to lend them out, but of course the article is slashdotted. The article doesn't mention anything about lending... but this might help if you have a LAMP box: Webrary
Well, if you had RTFA (but this is/.) you would have seen that they state Verizon is distributing the binary from their web site. That nullifies any, "we're only renting the router" arguments. They are distributing binary. They have to distribute the source too.
The radio station pays to use the song? Not the way you describe. Did you forget Payola? If the station pays at all, it's a per play fee. The station keeps logs of what is played and who has to get paid.
Aha, but this result is only possible because of copyright law. Thus, if one is celebrating this case, they are indirectly saying copyright is good. They are directly stating that the GPL enforcement is good. They are not saying that this software should be protected for 120 years (hell, a bug fix next week makes 120 years laughable).
Copyright laws do need to be changed to take reality into account, but the issue here is that the software is being distributed in violation of the license. Copyright law is just the "enforcement stick" of this license.
This sounds like a child's response when they get in trouble.
Mom: Johnny, did you skip school today?
Johnny: Jimmy did it too! That doesn't make it all right. And what Nixon got impeached for is nothing like what we're doing now under the guise of fighting terrorism.
Well the first one sort of works. But only because they have a page that matches exactly. The second one fails, because it doesn't return the searched for terms or a page with search results. The page instead returns, "we don't have and exact match, try searching for it".
Did anyone miss that they just swapped the query with regular pages,
the system initially determines whether the character string includes a prefix that identifies the URL as a non-search-request URL. If no such prefix is present, the character string is used in its entirely as a search string to execute a search, and the results of the search are returned to the user. So regular web pages have to start with the non-search prefix: this_is_not_a_search_page - or something stupid. Otherwise everything is searched for. This pushes the load onto the server instead of a single script or set of scripts. And yes, I realize you were being funny... but this patent is a joke.
I said it was possible. I didn't say that this particular example (which I haven't taken a close look at anyway) would qualify.
Worried about the infringement suit?;)
I try to use ODF internally. Of course when sharing/sending a document to someone else the "appropriate" format has to be determined. If everyone loaded OpenOffice.org, then it wouldn't be an issue. Most people collaborate using MS' formats due to the monopolistic behavior, not because it's better. Top 10 reasons not to use office
Remember, that bag is yours as soon as you pay for it, and the store loses all rights in the matter, unless you sign it away (CostCo.)
You can't sign away your rights to a private individual or company. The most CostCo or Sams can do if you refuse to let them see something you paid for is terminate your membership and refuse to let you back. MAYBE they could sue you for breach of contract. But they can't use physical force to compel you to honor that contract. You don't check your constitutional rights at the door when you join one of those clubs.
The 4th Amendment right is granted by the government. That's who has to follow the Constitution. If the store is in the habit of checking receipts at the door then you have agreed to show it by shopping in the store. The store is a private establishment. If you don't like their policies don't shop there. As for the requirement to show ID I think he's probably on the right side of this - then again, had he simply shown the receipt the rest of the story would be moot.
So what we have here is a company took BSD code, stripped out the BSD license text in violation of that license and released it under a more "liberal" license as far as freedom to tinker goes. The problem as I see it is that they removed the license. BSD says "fly, be free". GPL says, "fly, be free. But if you let your kids out to play, they have to play with anyone who asks."
So the "problem" with dual licensed code - or rather code that is intermingled - is that it can no longer be fully released as BSD code. This is an effect of the BSD license. Ideally, coders will submit their changes back to the original author under the same license they received it under. BSD does not require that though and from that particular standpoint loses. BSD code extended by GPL code creating expanded functionality kinda makes the BSD code look inferior regardless of how little GPL code was actually added. This is the effect of the BSD license.
In the long run, this means that coders have to cooperate. It's more of a "friendly" issue getting coders to contribute their changes under the original license. Don't start to look at Microsoft releasing source, though, and don't get mad at the people who are following your license.
To get initial access to the ENTERPRISE code, you have to pay, because we're not obligated to release GPL code to anyone who asks. Only to those to whom we distribute the software.
That's interesting, because I read section 3 of the GPL:
3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:...
to mean that you really do have to offer source to anyone who asks as long as they have a binary.
As long as you brought up RedHat they do distribute source code to anyone through ftp access. They are not obligated to distribute the binary to non-paying users.
Don't get me wrong. I thought the article was interesting and lays out a way that a company can use GPL software to make money. I find it interesting that there is limited time software. If that version is truly under the GPL then the mere act of allowing people to test it should require you to distribute the source code to that version.
OpenDNS uses wildcarding that was despised when Network Solutions tried it. Granted, if all web servers had proper pointers it wouldn't be an issue since www.slashdot.org would be the same as slashdot.org. OpenDNS also breaks the "I Feel Lucky" lookup feature built into Firefox by removing Google from the loop. I tried it, I didn't like it. OpenDNS doesn't play well with my browsing habits. If I type domain.com instead of www.domain.com Firefox will attempt to lookup www.domain.com if domain.com doesn't have a pointer. Using OpenDNS, I end up on a search page for OpenDNS.
That wasn't the implication from the article:
I was trying to keep it a secret out of fear of attacks from angry Microsoft worshipers not
I was trying to keep it a secret out of fear of my sysadmin finding out Except that the admins were part of the implied "worshipers". He found out that they weren't as "religiously Microsoft" as he thought.
What's even worse is that they are asking for "By September 4, 2007, defendant is directed to produce all hard drives or data storage units, whether removable or not, which are in his possession and control, including but not limited to all hard drives or data storage units of any computer that through which he had internet access on or about August 17,2005."
So how many hard drives is that? I know that sometimes in a given day I may access the internet from two or three different computer systems/networks. I also have boxes full of hard drives sitting on the shelf. How the hell can they ask for so much that they might shut down entire businesses? There didn't even seem to be a time limit. I say stop buying stuff (and downloading/using it) from companies/groups/vampires that treat their customers like criminals.
I worked in a family business where spreadsheets would have been the perfect tool for calculating our catalog. Unfortunately, thousands of calculations were instead done on legal pads and the results were put in the little cells to line them up nicely.
Twenty-six percent of the 61 information technology professionals surveyed by Forrester Research said they had decided not to renew their Microsoft Software Assurance agreements when they expire
Microsoft questioned Forrester's findings. The report "only looks at a subset of our customers and is not consistent with the feedback we have received,"
And:
Microsoft's Sloane countered Forrester's findings by pointing out that about 75 percent of the company's Enterprise Agreement customers are renewing those pacts.
So Microsoft is pointing out that their surveys have a 75% renewal rate (25% non-renewal rate) vs. a smaller sampling that has a 74% renewal rate. How high is the margin of error on this particular survey? Is 1% so big of a deal that we are going to quibble over the fact that this came from Forrester or decide that the argument (from Microsoft and the Forrester bashers alike) is all smoke and mirrors?
Well, for one thing, plenty of "responsible and culturally literate individuals" believe that Good = "What God says". Despite the fact that god says stone a woman to death if she doesn't scream loudly enough when she is raped....
What does this mean? Clinton was impeached. Three times. He wasn't removed from office. 'Convicted' means nothing here. He was found guilty. On three counts. Period. There is no conviction. You are either impeached or not. You are either removed from office or not. Well when we think that some spunk monkey not swallowing properly and just saying "whoopsie!", letting the jizz dribble down her chin and then fold it up in a dress to save like a pressed flower is more important than a president who willfully breaks the constitution, drags our troops into an illegal (you can argue about the legality if you want) war, listens in on Granny's phone conversations, doesn't give a rip about Osama bin WhosurfckingDaddy and can't ever change his mind - cause what would Jesus think? - then we get what we deserve. So Clinton got his knob polished? Big Fscking deal! There have been impeachments for far less than what Bush is guilty of. Maybe if Laura had slobbed him up with peanut butter and let Barney have his way with him we wouldn't be in this mess that threatens to rip the constitution apart like a wet bag of Angel Soft ass paper. Why are we holding back on that? Cheney should be on the block too, just to reduce the fear that Dubya has been keeping him in check all these years and that things would be worse with Cheney holding his shotgun and a Shlitz sitting in the oval office.
Up until the late 80s I'd bet very VERY few schools had computers even in the office for basic bookkeeping.. We're quickly becoming a society that thinks all education problems - administrative OR classroom - need to be solved with technology rather than fundamentals.
Computers at each school's offices are fine; having so many that you need a full IT staff shows misplaced spending priorities.
You are soooo right. In the 80s there weren't computers in the offices. They had monochrome terminals connected to the mainframes that they used. And they still had support staff.
Heh, I think I'd just whack the side of one of the cans with a big stick. It'd crumple, and then the other three would too. A little screeching of metal would then get the car off. Yeah... beating a can with a big stick probably would "get the car off"
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Since the vast majority of FOSSies have never, ever worked in IT, this is the kind of mistake they keep making. It never has been, and never will be, about the money.
The "pirate networks" CAN provide the product, but what they can't provide is reliability or security. Do you really think an organization with millions of dollars invested in computer hardware is going to trust a service pack not obtained from a trusted source? Do you really think an organization is SOOO burning to get their hands on a service pack that they can't wait a month or two?
Um. That was the whole point of the article. Organizations are burning to get their hands on the update, but MS won't release it.
That's the problem with about 90% of "major controversies" revealed by Slashdot's MS FUD: the things they pule about aren't issues with IT professionals. But they are major concerns of people pretending to be IT professionals.
You mean the IT professionals posting to MSDN complaining to Microsoft about Microsoft. They aren't shouting into the wind, they want the release to test so they can continue developing software that runs on Windows. These aren't Stallmanites making stuff up to make (GNU/)Linux look better, these are people who use - and want to continue to use - software from Microsoft. And they pay to do it too.
Of course I probably only fed the troll without contributing anything.
Interesting. You state that it works fine for like three things. Do the games require Vista or was there another reason for installing it? I don't see any compelling reason in your list for me to upgrade.
Dang! Someone posted it before me... Now the best I can hope for is a redundant mod.
Distribution means, "having a copy on your computer, whether anyone downloaded it or not". At least to the *AA
Well, if you had RTFA (but this is /.) you would have seen that they state Verizon is distributing the binary from their web site. That nullifies any, "we're only renting the router" arguments. They are distributing binary. They have to distribute the source too.
The radio station pays to use the song? Not the way you describe. Did you forget Payola? If the station pays at all, it's a per play fee. The station keeps logs of what is played and who has to get paid.
Copyright laws do need to be changed to take reality into account, but the issue here is that the software is being distributed in violation of the license. Copyright law is just the "enforcement stick" of this license.
Mom: Johnny, did you skip school today?
Johnny: Jimmy did it too! That doesn't make it all right. And what Nixon got impeached for is nothing like what we're doing now under the guise of fighting terrorism.
Worried about the infringement suit?
Nah, they'll get google bombed or something where users link to the site with something like "Stupidest Internet Lawyers"
I try to use ODF internally. Of course when sharing/sending a document to someone else the "appropriate" format has to be determined. If everyone loaded OpenOffice.org, then it wouldn't be an issue. Most people collaborate using MS' formats due to the monopolistic behavior, not because it's better.
Top 10 reasons not to use office
You can't sign away your rights to a private individual or company. The most CostCo or Sams can do if you refuse to let them see something you paid for is terminate your membership and refuse to let you back. MAYBE they could sue you for breach of contract. But they can't use physical force to compel you to honor that contract. You don't check your constitutional rights at the door when you join one of those clubs.
The 4th Amendment right is granted by the government. That's who has to follow the Constitution. If the store is in the habit of checking receipts at the door then you have agreed to show it by shopping in the store. The store is a private establishment. If you don't like their policies don't shop there. As for the requirement to show ID I think he's probably on the right side of this - then again, had he simply shown the receipt the rest of the story would be moot.So what we have here is a company took BSD code, stripped out the BSD license text in violation of that license and released it under a more "liberal" license as far as freedom to tinker goes. The problem as I see it is that they removed the license. BSD says "fly, be free". GPL says, "fly, be free. But if you let your kids out to play, they have to play with anyone who asks."
So the "problem" with dual licensed code - or rather code that is intermingled - is that it can no longer be fully released as BSD code. This is an effect of the BSD license. Ideally, coders will submit their changes back to the original author under the same license they received it under. BSD does not require that though and from that particular standpoint loses. BSD code extended by GPL code creating expanded functionality kinda makes the BSD code look inferior regardless of how little GPL code was actually added. This is the effect of the BSD license.
In the long run, this means that coders have to cooperate. It's more of a "friendly" issue getting coders to contribute their changes under the original license. Don't start to look at Microsoft releasing source, though, and don't get mad at the people who are following your license.
Stripping out the license is a whole other topic.
That's interesting, because I read section 3 of the GPL: 3. You may copy and distribute the Program (or a work based on it, under Section 2) in object code or executable form under the terms of Sections 1 and 2 above provided that you also do one of the following:...
to mean that you really do have to offer source to anyone who asks as long as they have a binary.
As long as you brought up RedHat they do distribute source code to anyone through ftp access. They are not obligated to distribute the binary to non-paying users.
Don't get me wrong. I thought the article was interesting and lays out a way that a company can use GPL software to make money. I find it interesting that there is limited time software. If that version is truly under the GPL then the mere act of allowing people to test it should require you to distribute the source code to that version.
OpenDNS uses wildcarding that was despised when Network Solutions tried it. Granted, if all web servers had proper pointers it wouldn't be an issue since www.slashdot.org would be the same as slashdot.org. OpenDNS also breaks the "I Feel Lucky" lookup feature built into Firefox by removing Google from the loop. I tried it, I didn't like it. OpenDNS doesn't play well with my browsing habits. If I type domain.com instead of www.domain.com Firefox will attempt to lookup www.domain.com if domain.com doesn't have a pointer. Using OpenDNS, I end up on a search page for OpenDNS.
What's even worse is that they are asking for "By September 4, 2007, defendant is directed to produce all hard drives or data storage units, whether removable or not, which are in his possession and control, including but not limited to all hard drives or data storage units of any computer that through which he had internet access on or about August 17,2005."
So how many hard drives is that? I know that sometimes in a given day I may access the internet from two or three different computer systems/networks. I also have boxes full of hard drives sitting on the shelf. How the hell can they ask for so much that they might shut down entire businesses? There didn't even seem to be a time limit. I say stop buying stuff (and downloading/using it) from companies/groups/vampires that treat their customers like criminals.
I worked in a family business where spreadsheets would have been the perfect tool for calculating our catalog. Unfortunately, thousands of calculations were instead done on legal pads and the results were put in the little cells to line them up nicely.
And: So Microsoft is pointing out that their surveys have a 75% renewal rate (25% non-renewal rate) vs. a smaller sampling that has a 74% renewal rate. How high is the margin of error on this particular survey? Is 1% so big of a deal that we are going to quibble over the fact that this came from Forrester or decide that the argument (from Microsoft and the Forrester bashers alike) is all smoke and mirrors?
What does this mean? Clinton was impeached. Three times. He wasn't removed from office. 'Convicted' means nothing here. He was found guilty. On three counts. Period. There is no conviction. You are either impeached or not. You are either removed from office or not.
Well when we think that some spunk monkey not swallowing properly and just saying "whoopsie!", letting the jizz dribble down her chin and then fold it up in a dress to save like a pressed flower is more important than a president who willfully breaks the constitution, drags our troops into an illegal (you can argue about the legality if you want) war, listens in on Granny's phone conversations, doesn't give a rip about Osama bin WhosurfckingDaddy and can't ever change his mind - cause what would Jesus think? - then we get what we deserve. So Clinton got his knob polished? Big Fscking deal! There have been impeachments for far less than what Bush is guilty of. Maybe if Laura had slobbed him up with peanut butter and let Barney have his way with him we wouldn't be in this mess that threatens to rip the constitution apart like a wet bag of Angel Soft ass paper. Why are we holding back on that? Cheney should be on the block too, just to reduce the fear that Dubya has been keeping him in check all these years and that things would be worse with Cheney holding his shotgun and a Shlitz sitting in the oval office.
Up until the late 80s I'd bet very VERY few schools had computers even in the office for basic bookkeeping.. We're quickly becoming a society that thinks all education problems - administrative OR classroom - need to be solved with technology rather than fundamentals.
Computers at each school's offices are fine; having so many that you need a full IT staff shows misplaced spending priorities.
You are soooo right. In the 80s there weren't computers in the offices. They had monochrome terminals connected to the mainframes that they used. And they still had support staff.