You're right, with our effectiveness at finding WMDs (the proof was a slam dunk remember?), I doubt that we could take out North Korea's nuclear program.
Tell me about that guy named Kim in North Korea. You're nothing but a sycophant. There are worse problems in this world than Iraq, I'm sorry that you can't see that and tow the party line.
Disclaimer: I'm an independent and don't think a whole lot of Kerry.
I'm mystified at this whole "conviction" thing. Convictions don't mean shit when they are for the wrong reasons. Iraq was wrong, I'm not a pacifist, just realize that they were poor and not as much of a threat as they were made to be. The world had no problem with us routing the Taliban. Iraq has made us worse off. I know several people personally that travel abroad and there jobs have gotten much harder because when people realize they are American they cool down to them. Bush may be a decisive leader but he doesn't make good decisions.
It says more about the companies distributing it, not anything about Linux itself. Frankly I think that somebody needs to take up the torch and realize there is a balance between all open source and providing a solution that has as large a cross section of potential customers.
I'd like to do that, but if I don't run as adminstrator by default, I have to manually run as administrator and type in the administrator password for nearly every piece of software I use. Why can't Microsoft implement a concept like SUID?
Buy online with a credit card. When you get the run around you tell the merchant you are challenging the charge. I've always had prompt service or a refund then.
The default account had administrative privileges and they don't require a password either. Your shift click method isn't the same as SUID, not even close.
Do those accounts you talk about have full administrator privileges or do they have a mechanism similar to sudo on UNIX?
The default account you create does have administrative privileges.
I think you'll find Microsoft touting ease of use and a shallow learning curve as benefits to their software. The reality is that Microsoft ships with user created accounts running as administrator. Why do you think it's to hard for them to implement a concept such as SUID to avoid this?
Irrelevant to his comment. He could give it away and people could say why bother, it's just another Unix like OS. It's a toy, just like minix and irrelevant...
Insightful??? Give me a break. How many companies do you think can stand to have the IT staff keeping a database of all the current versions of all kernels and apps on all systems? Those IT people would then have to keep up on all the errata for all those versions. They would then need to grab the latest source for kernel/app X to build and install it across all the machines that need it. Support and service are popular for a reason.
I must have misread this page
where it says that errata are no longer issued for end of life products and that you should upgrade. Though it is interesting that they did issue an updated kernel for 7.x-8.0.
I agree. I hardly need to do any graphics editing(I'm not graphically inclined either so I don't create my own) and I've found the Gimp to be a pain in the ass to do simple things but I guess they aren't developing with people like myself in mind.
I prefer that nobody try to tell me they've found the meaning of life. Given your response I'd say you are just like him, feeling that you need to enlighten those that you feel you know need enlightening. Extremist views always fail to garner any significant mindshare. Linux isn't popular for any of the reasons that RMS sites, it's popular because of it's suitability for any particular task it is used for.
Anybody else envision some larger than life figurehead standing at a podium telling you exactly what you need to do to be happy and that they have all the answers? I enjoy the spirit of cooperation and the quality of code that has come out of open source and free software but I'll be damned if I think it's the only way to do things.
I've sent text messages to cell phones via email. I've communicated via IM when it suited the situation. The original question brought up communicating at home via such methods. I can do those things you mention talking with somebody in the same room or via the hallway. Your physical distance scenarios are what makes IMing attractive, it's like the person is in the same room as you. I'll just have to disagree that you really are being more productive by IMing when you are in the the same house. When I first got DSL back in 99 my roomate and I thought it was funny to send email for stupid things for about an hour or two. My fiance and I will occasionally IM the other when we are in seperate rooms as jokes when the other is conversing with someone else. I just think it's another layer of seperation if you can't make the effort.
Is it so big that you can't just call out or walk for 10-15 seconds to talk to somebody? I've used IM clients to have a silent conversation in a crowded room before but not for regular communication at home.
The Linux that gains acceptance will be wrapped around one way of doing things. This is how business works. The beautiful thing about this is that a major corpororate/development workstation distribution can rise that major software developers can target and business can point to as their distribution of choice due to it's uniformity. There will always be the ability to roll your own and as long as people like Mr Volkerding want to keep alternate distributions going we will have other choices too.
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You're right, with our effectiveness at finding WMDs (the proof was a slam dunk remember?), I doubt that we could take out North Korea's nuclear program.
Tell me about that guy named Kim in North Korea. You're nothing but a sycophant. There are worse problems in this world than Iraq, I'm sorry that you can't see that and tow the party line.
Disclaimer: I'm an independent and don't think a whole lot of Kerry. I'm mystified at this whole "conviction" thing. Convictions don't mean shit when they are for the wrong reasons. Iraq was wrong, I'm not a pacifist, just realize that they were poor and not as much of a threat as they were made to be. The world had no problem with us routing the Taliban. Iraq has made us worse off. I know several people personally that travel abroad and there jobs have gotten much harder because when people realize they are American they cool down to them. Bush may be a decisive leader but he doesn't make good decisions.
It says more about the companies distributing it, not anything about Linux itself. Frankly I think that somebody needs to take up the torch and realize there is a balance between all open source and providing a solution that has as large a cross section of potential customers.
I'd like to do that, but if I don't run as adminstrator by default, I have to manually run as administrator and type in the administrator password for nearly every piece of software I use. Why can't Microsoft implement a concept like SUID?
Buy online with a credit card. When you get the run around you tell the merchant you are challenging the charge. I've always had prompt service or a refund then.
Hey, it was the same people that said that ActiveX was safe and the onus was on you to know if the control you were loading was safe.
Remember, their solution for ActiveX controls was that you should know whether or not to trust the sender of the control.
And the second opening is for IP licensing sales...
The default account had administrative privileges and they don't require a password either. Your shift click method isn't the same as SUID, not even close.
Do those accounts you talk about have full administrator privileges or do they have a mechanism similar to sudo on UNIX? The default account you create does have administrative privileges. I think you'll find Microsoft touting ease of use and a shallow learning curve as benefits to their software. The reality is that Microsoft ships with user created accounts running as administrator. Why do you think it's to hard for them to implement a concept such as SUID to avoid this?
Irrelevant to his comment. He could give it away and people could say why bother, it's just another Unix like OS. It's a toy, just like minix and irrelevant...
Good thing people didn't think like you with regards to Linux back when it was young.
Insightful??? Give me a break. How many companies do you think can stand to have the IT staff keeping a database of all the current versions of all kernels and apps on all systems? Those IT people would then have to keep up on all the errata for all those versions. They would then need to grab the latest source for kernel/app X to build and install it across all the machines that need it. Support and service are popular for a reason.
I must have misread this page where it says that errata are no longer issued for end of life products and that you should upgrade. Though it is interesting that they did issue an updated kernel for 7.x-8.0.
I agree. I hardly need to do any graphics editing(I'm not graphically inclined either so I don't create my own) and I've found the Gimp to be a pain in the ass to do simple things but I guess they aren't developing with people like myself in mind.
Historically it was the VW bug. It's also vogue for some ski areas compare the size of their moguls to VW bugs.
I have, I realize my description doesn't fit his demeanor when he speaks.
I prefer that nobody try to tell me they've found the meaning of life. Given your response I'd say you are just like him, feeling that you need to enlighten those that you feel you know need enlightening. Extremist views always fail to garner any significant mindshare. Linux isn't popular for any of the reasons that RMS sites, it's popular because of it's suitability for any particular task it is used for.
Anybody else envision some larger than life figurehead standing at a podium telling you exactly what you need to do to be happy and that they have all the answers? I enjoy the spirit of cooperation and the quality of code that has come out of open source and free software but I'll be damned if I think it's the only way to do things.
I've sent text messages to cell phones via email. I've communicated via IM when it suited the situation. The original question brought up communicating at home via such methods. I can do those things you mention talking with somebody in the same room or via the hallway. Your physical distance scenarios are what makes IMing attractive, it's like the person is in the same room as you. I'll just have to disagree that you really are being more productive by IMing when you are in the the same house. When I first got DSL back in 99 my roomate and I thought it was funny to send email for stupid things for about an hour or two. My fiance and I will occasionally IM the other when we are in seperate rooms as jokes when the other is conversing with someone else. I just think it's another layer of seperation if you can't make the effort.
Is it so big that you can't just call out or walk for 10-15 seconds to talk to somebody? I've used IM clients to have a silent conversation in a crowded room before but not for regular communication at home.
I thought it was because they weren't that much cheaper than ones with 10-20 GB hard drives.
Taken care of, a house isn't a debt but an investment. It's also a huge tax break.
The Linux that gains acceptance will be wrapped around one way of doing things. This is how business works. The beautiful thing about this is that a major corpororate/development workstation distribution can rise that major software developers can target and business can point to as their distribution of choice due to it's uniformity. There will always be the ability to roll your own and as long as people like Mr Volkerding want to keep alternate distributions going we will have other choices too.