Sure. Just like any open source project, you earn your stripes and you get commit access. And like other big open source projects, OpenLaszlo has a review process for all commits.
Your contributor faq doesn't indicate commit access, only that patches must be submitted via email. Not quite "true open source".
Are you implying that I could get commit access to the Flex codebase? Or that Flex is open source? What are you implying?
I am not trying to imply that Flex is more "open" than Laszlo, rather that Laszlo isn't "true open source". Why didn't you respond to my comment about ownership? In my mind, with "true open source" I still own the code I contribute.
(Disclaimer: I work for Adobe, and after JBoss decided to use Flex 2 for their webmail client, I spent my own time, on evenings and weekends helping them build it.)
OpenLaszlo is true Open Source Software, and FLEX is not.
Can I get commit access to their svn repo? Who owns the code I contribute to OpenLaszlo?
Why do you say that Flex 2 applications run much faster? They're both running on the same Flash player.
Actually Flex 2 applications utilize the new VM in Flash 9 which in a number of benchmarks shows performance improvements of 10x to 100x.
What do you mean by "the programming model is better"?
There is a lot to cover here and I'm off to see a movie in a few. I'll get back to you. But just to mention a few... ActionScript classes. Optional strong typing. Support for interfaces and extending classes.
Are there any application as complex as Laszlo Mail implemented FLEX?
JBoss is using Flex 2 to build their web based email client. Check it out on their blog.
Yes, Flex applications utilize Flash as their virtual machine. The problem with outputting to HTML is that you then have to write to the lowest common denominator. So you loose great features like: binary sockets, vector graphics, bitmap manipulation, offline storage, JIT compiled performance, cross-domain requests, multiple file uploads, E4X, ECMAScript, etc. If you don't want any of those features, then I would recommend using a true Ajax framework. If you can do what you need with DHTML and you like the Ajax programming model, then why do you need a Flash version?
Check out Flex 2. It's similar to OpenLaszlo; free as in beer and the source code is provided. However, applications built with Flex 2 run much faster than OpenLaszlo applications, there are a ton more features, and the programming model is better.
That is actually a great point! When I lived in Denver almost every McDonalds had a RedBox that rented DVD's for $1. We never went to Blockbuster because McDonalds was just as close and despite not having the selection, was one fifth the price. It would be silly of Jobs to pay for all that real estate when he doesn't need it. Unless he has some other idea to make money off the space. Which he might. Anyways for more info on RedBox check out: http://www.redbox.com/
Since JBoss is private, Marc would have to be willing to sell JBoss to Larry. Larry can't just write a check, get regulatory approval and be done. There is no way Marc will sell his baby... I think he is much more interested in JBoss someday being bigger than IBM & Oracle. The world is moving toward software as a service. JBoss is positioned to be the king of that world. Marc knows this. 10 years down the road, no one will be paying for enterprise software licenses. Marc sees this and won't let even $400 million get in the way of JBoss being king of that world. I probably sound like a Marc loving lunatic. But we have to be honest. Marc created a virus that's exponentially eating away at Oracle, IBM, etc's business models. That virus can only be stopped if Marc sells. I've seen the smile on his face when he talks about the virus he created. By the time JBoss is public and purchasable by Larry, even Larry won't be able to afford it.
Even if every person with a computer on planet Earth bought a copy of the same song, it would not be in short supply.
This was my first reaction to the article as well. However after thinking about it, maybe "supply" isn't physical supply. Perhaps the model works if supply is related to percieved quality. For instance songs I really like are in short supply.
Anyways, just playing devil's advocate against my own and your thoughts.
I wonder if there are any compelling legal or fiscal reasons to keep software as "Beta" for a long time. Could beta software have less liability than production software? Does it matter in corporate accounting if the software is beta or production? I also had read once that Google News is still beta because of potential legal problems around republishing of the news content which for some reason didn't fall under Fair Use.
This is why people are building component frameworks around AJAX. Component frameworks hide the messy browser specific details. This gives a developer who uses these components "one programming language" that works universally and provides a RIA experience.
AJAX's fate does not rest on all browsers being in full compliance to the standards, it rests more on the implementation of AJAX components. You can read more about my view on this on my blog.
I have to wonder if our political system is anywhere near what the founding fathers imagined. I think this is a sad day for our freedom and liberty in this country, but only the tip of the iceberg. Our government hardly ever seems to make decisions which give us more freedom. Both sides continually take away freedom. Which is why I like this quote:
Jefferson quite blithely wrote that America's Constitution would not be adequate to defend what he called liberty, that there would have to be a new revolution every 15 or 20 years, and that the tree of liberty needed to be nourished regularly with a fresh supply of patriot blood. (John W. Chuckman)
so that one can see if an app is spyware if it is buried in the EULA
Because all spyware apps include a EULA with "THIS IS SPYWARE" in big bold letters? People don't read EULA's because they are legal fluff and mean nothing to the average reader. I personally would like to see a standard, simple format for EULA's like credit card companies do with rate disclosures. Otherwise most users have no idea what they have just agreed to.
I can't understand why Linux and F/OSS zealots waste time fighting FUD. It seems like a waste to me. All the time that is spent playing politics could be spent improving software and fighting FUD with the truth... Better software. Any person with half a brain knows that Microsoft, Sun, insert any corporation, will lie (or stretch the truth) in order to make their stuff look better than their competitors. So why fight it? IMHO there are many other more important battles to fight... Like better F/OSS software, better documentation, software patents, etc. It's weird how politics has this way of sucking people in. My self included.
I agree with your point, but the example is poor. If you know it was an email, then why not use your email client for the search? Email clients are tuned for that kind of thing, and these days I would bet that most people don't keep their email physically on their computers.
So maybe a better example is finding that document I wrote a few years ago in which I used a quote from "Ralph Waldo Emerson". And in that instance since most people keep their documents in a central place, maybe grep -r isn't so bad after all.
Now seriously. Why not throw in wireless support? Maybe they have and it wasn't mentioned in the/. article (I haven't RTFA yet). But this is really surprising to me. I suppose I could spend $70 and get one of these but that just bites. Why Sony? Why?
A while back every time someone at my house used the cordless phone, my 802.11b network would get hosed. I ended up finding a channel which doesn't get hosed as badly, but there is still packet loss.
So after reading all the rants about Marc posting on TSS as Chip Tyler I decided to do a google'n. Here is what I found... Outside of TSS related posts, Marc's alleged alias "Chip Tyler" only really matches a gay porn star. No Joke...
The Star - Chip Tyler and The Movie! Now that is just too funny!!!
Slashdot Mirror
Sure. Just like any open source project, you earn your stripes and you get commit access. And like other big open source projects, OpenLaszlo has a review process for all commits.
Your contributor faq doesn't indicate commit access, only that patches must be submitted via email. Not quite "true open source".
Are you implying that I could get commit access to the Flex codebase? Or that Flex is open source? What are you implying?
I am not trying to imply that Flex is more "open" than Laszlo, rather that Laszlo isn't "true open source". Why didn't you respond to my comment about ownership? In my mind, with "true open source" I still own the code I contribute.
(Disclaimer: I work for Adobe, and after JBoss decided to use Flex 2 for their webmail client, I spent my own time, on evenings and weekends helping them build it.)
OpenLaszlo is true Open Source Software, and FLEX is not.
Can I get commit access to their svn repo? Who owns the code I contribute to OpenLaszlo?
Why do you say that Flex 2 applications run much faster? They're both running on the same Flash player.
Actually Flex 2 applications utilize the new VM in Flash 9 which in a number of benchmarks shows performance improvements of 10x to 100x.
What do you mean by "the programming model is better"?
There is a lot to cover here and I'm off to see a movie in a few. I'll get back to you. But just to mention a few... ActionScript classes. Optional strong typing. Support for interfaces and extending classes.
Are there any application as complex as Laszlo Mail implemented FLEX?
JBoss is using Flex 2 to build their web based email client. Check it out on their blog.
Yes, Flex applications utilize Flash as their virtual machine. The problem with outputting to HTML is that you then have to write to the lowest common denominator. So you loose great features like: binary sockets, vector graphics, bitmap manipulation, offline storage, JIT compiled performance, cross-domain requests, multiple file uploads, E4X, ECMAScript, etc. If you don't want any of those features, then I would recommend using a true Ajax framework. If you can do what you need with DHTML and you like the Ajax programming model, then why do you need a Flash version?
Check out Flex 2. It's similar to OpenLaszlo; free as in beer and the source code is provided. However, applications built with Flex 2 run much faster than OpenLaszlo applications, there are a ton more features, and the programming model is better.
That is actually a great point! When I lived in Denver almost every McDonalds had a RedBox that rented DVD's for $1. We never went to Blockbuster because McDonalds was just as close and despite not having the selection, was one fifth the price. It would be silly of Jobs to pay for all that real estate when he doesn't need it. Unless he has some other idea to make money off the space. Which he might. Anyways for more info on RedBox check out: http://www.redbox.com/
Haha. Nice try. Do you have anything published more recently?
1. JBoss is not the leading product in the J2EE market. It's a competitor, but nowhere near the top.
You might want to check your facts before posting this kind of FUD.
Dion,
I am pretty sure that JBoss did not give controlling interest to the VC. So it's not really up to the VC.
-James
Since JBoss is private, Marc would have to be willing to sell JBoss to Larry. Larry can't just write a check, get regulatory approval and be done. There is no way Marc will sell his baby... I think he is much more interested in JBoss someday being bigger than IBM & Oracle. The world is moving toward software as a service. JBoss is positioned to be the king of that world. Marc knows this. 10 years down the road, no one will be paying for enterprise software licenses. Marc sees this and won't let even $400 million get in the way of JBoss being king of that world. I probably sound like a Marc loving lunatic. But we have to be honest. Marc created a virus that's exponentially eating away at Oracle, IBM, etc's business models. That virus can only be stopped if Marc sells. I've seen the smile on his face when he talks about the virus he created. By the time JBoss is public and purchasable by Larry, even Larry won't be able to afford it.
(Reposted from my comment on Javalobby)
After clicking that link I really thought that link was going to take me to the goat sex site. Thank you for not being cruel!
This was my first reaction to the article as well. However after thinking about it, maybe "supply" isn't physical supply. Perhaps the model works if supply is related to percieved quality. For instance songs I really like are in short supply.
Anyways, just playing devil's advocate against my own and your thoughts.
I wonder if there are any compelling legal or fiscal reasons to keep software as "Beta" for a long time. Could beta software have less liability than production software? Does it matter in corporate accounting if the software is beta or production? I also had read once that Google News is still beta because of potential legal problems around republishing of the news content which for some reason didn't fall under Fair Use.
And now let's
OMG!!! We finally /.'d Google!
This is why people are building component frameworks around AJAX. Component frameworks hide the messy browser specific details. This gives a developer who uses these components "one programming language" that works universally and provides a RIA experience.
AJAX's fate does not rest on all browsers being in full compliance to the standards, it rests more on the implementation of AJAX components. You can read more about my view on this on my blog.
I have to wonder if our political system is anywhere near what the founding fathers imagined. I think this is a sad day for our freedom and liberty in this country, but only the tip of the iceberg. Our government hardly ever seems to make decisions which give us more freedom. Both sides continually take away freedom. Which is why I like this quote:
Jefferson quite blithely wrote that America's Constitution would not be adequate to defend what he called liberty, that there would have to be a new revolution every 15 or 20 years, and that the tree of liberty needed to be nourished regularly with a fresh supply of patriot blood. (John W. Chuckman)
I would prefer that the Visa or Mastercard system sends me a SMS that I reply to in order to authorize the payment.
so that one can see if an app is spyware if it is buried in the EULA
Because all spyware apps include a EULA with "THIS IS SPYWARE" in big bold letters? People don't read EULA's because they are legal fluff and mean nothing to the average reader. I personally would like to see a standard, simple format for EULA's like credit card companies do with rate disclosures. Otherwise most users have no idea what they have just agreed to.
I can't understand why Linux and F/OSS zealots waste time fighting FUD. It seems like a waste to me. All the time that is spent playing politics could be spent improving software and fighting FUD with the truth... Better software. Any person with half a brain knows that Microsoft, Sun, insert any corporation, will lie (or stretch the truth) in order to make their stuff look better than their competitors. So why fight it? IMHO there are many other more important battles to fight... Like better F/OSS software, better documentation, software patents, etc. It's weird how politics has this way of sucking people in. My self included.
Ok... I bet it's running Windows. ;)
I agree with your point, but the example is poor. If you know it was an email, then why not use your email client for the search? Email clients are tuned for that kind of thing, and these days I would bet that most people don't keep their email physically on their computers.
So maybe a better example is finding that document I wrote a few years ago in which I used a quote from "Ralph Waldo Emerson". And in that instance since most people keep their documents in a central place, maybe grep -r isn't so bad after all.
Now seriously. Why not throw in wireless support? Maybe they have and it wasn't mentioned in the /. article (I haven't RTFA yet). But this is really surprising to me. I suppose I could spend $70 and get one of these but that just bites. Why Sony? Why?
So that you all can avoid those google searches here are the links:
Storage Beagle
Dashboard
A while back every time someone at my house used the cordless phone, my 802.11b network would get hosed. I ended up finding a channel which doesn't get hosed as badly, but there is still packet loss.
So after reading all the rants about Marc posting on TSS as Chip Tyler I decided to do a google'n. Here is what I found... Outside of TSS related posts, Marc's alleged alias "Chip Tyler" only really matches a gay porn star. No Joke... The Star - Chip Tyler and The Movie! Now that is just too funny!!!