You don't even know you're being oppressed, and that sucks. If you were black and living in 1950, would you say that same thing? Female, in 1890? Do you really not understand that no one is making this 'erosion of freedom' suff up?
If I were black in the 1950's, I would have been a founding member of the black panther party.
If I were female in the 1890's I would be party like it was 1899.
I'm a white guy in America in the year 2000. I think that in the here and now, things are not too bad. Blacks and Females have the same rights/protections under the law as I do. Sure this is debatable, but that is the ideal.
Our rights _are_ being taken away. I wonder daily when my pistol with be made illegal. I wonder when I will be named in the DMCA suit for having a copy of DeCSS. BUT-- I have a life that I enjoy too. I send my weekends on the lake, weeknights in front of my computer and spare time watching good television programming (Example. not Springer).
The point is, quit feeling so guilty. You can't take on all of the worlds problems. Solve the problems within your sphere of influince.
For Linux to get mainstream we must get rid of the radicals and focus on the quality of the results.
Without RMS, there would be no Linux. The reason Linux has done so well is because of the GPL. There are many other X86 OSes out there that are just as good or better than Linux, but they are not GPL'd. Please remeber these two things, Linux _IS_ mainstream and all movements have their crackpot/wacko founders. RMS is our wacko/crackpot founder and should be treated with respect, no matter how crazy he speaks:)
Actually, ASP's do distribute. If multiple users using a cental fileserver with Word on it are counted for licencing purposes as having had the product distributed to them, what difference does it make if the server is hundreds of miles away? If someone can use a product to do work then that product has been distributed.
With ASP's, you access a program through a terminal, such as a web browser. You a not downloading and executing a program. If you are not distributing a modified GPL'd _PROGRAM_, you do not need to make your source avaliable. Your logic would follow that if a modified GPL'd program was used to make video effects for a movie, the source must be released because the "product" is being distributed. This is not how the GPL works, nor should it work that way.
Why corporations? Why a totalitarian, heirarchial organization where all the wealth and power ends up in the hands of the few at the top?
Because it is human nature to have a pecking order. Some people are good managers, others are good programmers. It's your job to find out what you are good at and like to do. This is how you climb the pecking order. I would say that those who take the most risks earn the most money. They _SHOULD_ make most of the money.
Why not worker-run and worker-owned cooperatives? Why not community initiatives? Why not open source? Corporate involvement in open source software was after-the-fact. People created it first, and then corporations got into it in order to make money.
Well making money is what for-profit corporations do. If you have a worker-run and worker-owned cooperative, what happends when you find out that their products are harmful? "This keyboard you guys make is causing me to have broken fingers!" You go after workers directly, and nobody wants to take on THAT kind of personal liability. Those poor workers could have their personal wealth taken from them. That is just plain EVIL! This is why we have corporations.
There's no reason that cablemodem access couldn't be provided by a cooperative or a collective as opposed to a corporation. There's no reason that different collectives and cooperatives around the world couldn't work together towards the common goal of international access. Voluntarily cooperating towards a common goal... Sound familiar?
They _MUST_ do it as a corporation, otherwise everyone that works for the "collective" is liable if they get sued.
Another thing to remember is this: I write code for a living. No, I'm not digging ditches or putting up drywall. Am I still a laborer? Yes, I am, and I still care more about other laborers than I do CEO's and stockholders. The working class creates the wealth, the employing class merely consumes it.
CEO's and stockholders offset your risk and liability of working for your self. Please don't act as if these people don't work. You know better.
And furthermore, a lot of people who are going to be at Chicago May Day are going to be day laborers. You know, guys who make $3.00 an hour to work in fields with pesticides being sprayed on them? Do you think that they shouldn't be fighting for better wages and more rights?
Hell, I would quit! Im mean money is money, but I would never allow someone to place my health at risk. They need to organize a union or gather up their things and move to where the jobs are.
It's very easy for a privileged upper or middle class male to say "find another job!" but for the other 90% of the world, it's not that easy. Go to Haitian sweatshop workers and tell them to "find another job!", or to Guatamalen bean pickers (who picked the beans for your StarbucksTM coffee), or to young Indonesian boys who make soccer balls for Nike. Better yet, go to an inner city, where the average McDonalds gets 12 applicants for each open position, and tell people there to "find another job!" How do you think those people would feel?
Look, I'm a high school dropout. The neighborhood I grew up in is not exactly what you would call a slum, but it is by no means "Upper Middle Class". I know what its like to be broke. I will never live that way again. I would suggest that the bean pickers, soccer ball makers and sweatshop workers create a union.
McDonalds pays $10/hr here in Nashville, its FAR above minimum wage.
Do your best to think outside your own personal sphere of understanding. There's a lot of serious, serious crap going on out there, and to ignore it, and call those who address it as "silly" is, in many ways, an act of criminal negligence.
Criminal negligence for not going to a silly protest that no one will remeber? You should be locked up, because you have real convictions about these issues and yet I don't see you going to the inner city to teach these people how to manage their money, or going to these 3rd world contries and show them how to make themseleves economicly viable. You simply want to get attention for yourself and get on the font page of USA today.
The focus of May Day is going to be anti-globalisation/anti-corporate rule, with an emphasis on labor rights.
<rant> I just don't get it. I don't want to be a laboror. I think that if you don't like your job, go find a better one. These silly protests, like the one at the World Bank, just seem strange.
These are the same people that bitch about "Large Evil Corp" and then get on their cablemodem and surf the net.I guess they think their provider is some guy in a downtown office. What they don't seem to understand is it takes alot of responsability and risk to setup a high speed network such as @home or Roadrunner. A single person cannot make somthing like that happen without incorperating into a company. And it takes global ties to pull off international connectivity.
I feel that these people have a very small world view. I just don't understand them.
Maybe I'm just confused, but how can you only support one distro? Debian has Alien to allow.rpms, and the actual code FOR Red Hat's Package Manager is free, and will work on any distro (Unless I am mistaken about this?).
Yes, not only does rpm work with other linux distros, you can even get it for Solaris X86. You can also pick up many GNU utils on that site. Just download your favorite source rpms and rebuild for Solaris:)
Either back-door bugs are obvious as hell, in which case they could be picked up by review by ten people, max. Or they're not all that obvious after all.
Good God man, you have all ready stated that you do not know how to program. I would imagine that you have no idea who the Apachie group are and do not know the large companies that pay to have Apachie developed. Then again, you could be a toll.
Furthermore, the more people there are checking the source, the more there are out there introducing bugs, for the hell of it. Even if "Apache" is bug free, how can you tell that the disk you got passed by your third cousin who got it from his ex-boss who got it from "some guy" is?
Oh come on, do you not know that you can verify the source with a digital signature from a trusted source? Yep, your a troll.
It would seem far more useful to me if source was "open" in the sense that you could get a copy of the code on production of a reasonable description of what you planned to do with it, what improvement you wanted to make, plus at least two references from people who were prepared to establish your bona fides. Kind of like the criteria for getting a reader's ticket to a law library.
This is not Law, troll. If the package maintainer is a good manager, he will know what is good and allow it in. I guess you want to spread the LIE that these packages just get moved around without a single person looking at the code. SOMEONE MUST LOOK AT THE CODE BEFORE IT IS PLACED IN THE MAIN DISTRIBUTION TREE. ok, ok, so my karma is going to get tanked for this flame, but I don't care. I am DONE with these trolls.
Come on guys! We have something like 20 hand gun deaths in the UK per year. When will you realise that Guns do kill people, and they make killing people easy. Well...
1) My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.
2) My gun is a very good gun. It kills people dead. That is what it was designed to do.
3) Killing someone is not murder. Some people think that ALL violence is bad, this is not so. There are evil people that do evil things and the police are NOT YOUR PERSONAL BODYGUARDS!
4) When a whole group of people have there freedoms taken away, they more than likely have been disarmed. (See South Africa, Kosovo, etc)
if only it was registered members of the NRA that got shot every time I'd be a little happier.
Most NRA members are better shots than most street thugs, but that is beside the point. Why would you wish death on your political enemies? I guess you can't beat them on the ideological battlefield.
How can an old 6809 based machine like the Amiga possibly compete with modern multi-tasking architectures like the PC?
Don't dis my Color Computer and call it an Amiga! But seriously, I know this is OT, but the CoCo with OS-9 Level II could do things that Winderz on 386's could not do at the time. OS-9 is a Multitasking RTOS by Microware.
Gnutella is obviously going to be exlusively used for pirating music, distributing pornography and dubious material like race hate propaganda, pro-life information and so on. <VOICE style="redneck"> YEA! I bet it works like that there intranet thingy I heard about on the "Christian Broadcast Network". </VOICE> Geez people, let's not try and turn the internet into Sesame Street. I know I'm feeding the little troll, but people buy into this crap.
But who cares about anti gravity...when all we really need is a warp engine.
I would be willing to bet that the first step to FTL travel will be FTL communications. Imagine how that will affect things such as talking to the Mars probes, or probes on the other side of the solar system. We will be able to do real-time interactive "stuff" with object very very far away. It will be cool.
The vaunted US system. I love a system where more money is spent each year on the military than on helping the poor and the sick.
Wow, I guess you have never heard of charity. Just because the government spends more on the military does not mean that the "poor" are not taken care of.
You seem to think that there is an RFC on morality or something, there is not. Morality changes from culture to culture. Those in power get to impose their morality on the culture.
And as soon as your kid starts the program up, what's the first thing he sees? A huge list of pornography, bomb-making instruction manuals and virulent anti-Christian diatribes. Do you want your child exposed to this kind of filth? If you are a patriotic American then it is your moral duty to oppose these things and anything which contributes to their spread thorugh society. Children need to be protected so that they can grow up to be good, decent, Christian people.
My God, you must suck as a parent. Would you let your kids go play in traffic? The Internet _IS_ the real world, lets not try to reduce it to Seaseme Street just because _YOU_ are a bad parent. Nothing you listed above is illegal, but you seem to have some whacked idea that your morals are better than mine. Aint it a bitch you can't legislate morailty. America would be a very boring place if you could.
Fuck being safe.... I want FREEDOM!
P.S. I can't wait for the Republican party to throw "Christans" like you out of their party. Sorry about the spelling errors.
"Microsoft always comes to our door, they bring demo units, keep us in touch with their engineers, and certification for our people costs only $2000 each, on-site. Red Hat wants $5,000 a person and we have to fly our people to Durham, [N.C.]."
Wired Magazine had a great article about these cars. Their performance often outpaces gas-powered dragsters and they don't make noise.
Street cars, yes. NHRA dragsters, um no. Look at these results. Top Fuel dragsters are faster than "jet cars" in the 1/4 mile. They burn 7 gallons of fuel in less than 4 seconds and have speeds of over 200+MPH at the finish line.
Don't get me wrong, electric toy dragsters sound like fun, but they are not THAT fast.
My very first computer was a TRS-80 Color Computer 3
Mine was a CoCo 1 rev D. but I got a CoCo 3 later on. Boy I miss OS-9 Level II. Wish someone would write an emulator for the 6809 for Linux, hint,hint. The way that OS windowed was _REALLY_ cool. Oh to type...
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You don't even know you're being oppressed, and that sucks. If you were black and living in 1950, would you say that same thing? Female, in 1890? Do you really not understand that no one is making this 'erosion of freedom' suff up?
If I were black in the 1950's, I would have been a founding member of the black panther party.
If I were female in the 1890's I would be party like it was 1899.
I'm a white guy in America in the year 2000. I think that in the here and now, things are not too bad. Blacks and Females have the same rights/protections under the law as I do. Sure this is debatable, but that is the ideal.
Our rights _are_ being taken away. I wonder daily when my pistol with be made illegal. I wonder when I will be named in the DMCA suit for having a copy of DeCSS. BUT-- I have a life that I enjoy too. I send my weekends on the lake, weeknights in front of my computer and spare time watching good television programming (Example. not Springer).
The point is, quit feeling so guilty. You can't take on all of the worlds problems. Solve the problems within your sphere of influince.
For Linux to get mainstream we must get rid of the radicals and focus on the quality of the results.
:)
Without RMS, there would be no Linux. The reason Linux has done so well is because of the GPL. There are many other X86 OSes out there that are just as good or better than Linux, but they are not GPL'd. Please remeber these two things, Linux _IS_ mainstream and all movements have their crackpot/wacko founders. RMS is our wacko/crackpot founder and should be treated with respect, no matter how crazy he speaks
Actually, ASP's do distribute. If multiple users using a cental fileserver with Word on it are counted for licencing purposes as having had the product distributed to them, what difference does it make if the server is hundreds of miles away? If someone can use a product to do work then that product has been distributed.
With ASP's, you access a program through a terminal, such as a web browser. You a not downloading and executing a program. If you are not distributing a modified GPL'd _PROGRAM_, you do not need to make your source avaliable. Your logic would follow that if a modified GPL'd program was used to make video effects for a movie, the source must be released because the "product" is being distributed. This is not how the GPL works, nor should it work that way.
Why corporations? Why a totalitarian, heirarchial organization where all the wealth and power ends up in the hands of the few at the top?
Because it is human nature to have a pecking order. Some people are good managers, others are good programmers. It's your job to find out what you are good at and like to do. This is how you climb the pecking order. I would say that those who take the most risks earn the most money. They _SHOULD_ make most of the money.
Why not worker-run and worker-owned cooperatives? Why not community initiatives? Why not open source? Corporate involvement in open source software was after-the-fact. People created it first, and then corporations got into it in order to make money.
Well making money is what for-profit corporations do. If you have a worker-run and worker-owned cooperative, what happends when you find out that their products are harmful? "This keyboard you guys make is causing me to have broken fingers!" You go after workers directly, and nobody wants to take on THAT kind of personal liability. Those poor workers could have their personal wealth taken from them. That is just plain EVIL! This is why we have corporations.
There's no reason that cablemodem access couldn't be provided by a cooperative or a collective as opposed to a corporation. There's no reason that different collectives and cooperatives around the world couldn't work together towards the common goal of international access. Voluntarily cooperating towards a common goal... Sound familiar?
They _MUST_ do it as a corporation, otherwise everyone that works for the "collective" is liable if they get sued.
Another thing to remember is this: I write code for a living. No, I'm not digging ditches or putting up drywall. Am I still a laborer? Yes, I am, and I still care more about other laborers than I do CEO's and stockholders. The working class creates the wealth, the employing class merely consumes it.
CEO's and stockholders offset your risk and liability of working for your self. Please don't act as if these people don't work. You know better.
And furthermore, a lot of people who are going to be at Chicago May Day are going to be day laborers. You know, guys who make $3.00 an hour to work in fields with pesticides being sprayed on them? Do you think that they shouldn't be fighting for better wages and more rights?
Hell, I would quit! Im mean money is money, but I would never allow someone to place my health at risk. They need to organize a union or gather up their things and move to where the jobs are.
It's very easy for a privileged upper or middle class male to say "find another job!" but for the other 90% of the world, it's not that easy. Go to Haitian sweatshop workers and tell them to "find another job!", or to Guatamalen bean pickers (who picked the beans for your StarbucksTM coffee), or to young Indonesian boys who make soccer balls for Nike. Better yet, go to an inner city, where the average McDonalds gets 12 applicants for each open position, and tell people there to "find another job!" How do you think those people would feel?
Look, I'm a high school dropout. The neighborhood I grew up in is not exactly what you would call a slum, but it is by no means "Upper Middle Class". I know what its like to be broke. I will never live that way again.
I would suggest that the bean pickers, soccer ball makers and sweatshop workers create a union.
McDonalds pays $10/hr here in Nashville, its FAR above minimum wage.
Do your best to think outside your own personal sphere of understanding. There's a lot of serious, serious crap going on out there, and to ignore it, and call those who address it as "silly" is, in many ways, an act of criminal negligence.
Criminal negligence for not going to a silly protest that no one will remeber? You should be locked up, because you have real convictions about these issues and yet I don't see you going to the inner city to teach these people how to manage their money, or going to these 3rd world contries and show them how to make themseleves economicly viable. You simply want to get attention for yourself and get on the font page of USA today.
The focus of May Day is going to be anti-globalisation/anti-corporate rule, with an emphasis on labor rights.
<rant>
I just don't get it. I don't want to be a laboror. I think that if you don't like your job, go find a better one. These silly protests, like the one at the World Bank, just seem strange.
These are the same people that bitch about "Large Evil Corp" and then get on their cablemodem and surf the net.I guess they think their provider is some guy in a downtown office. What they don't seem to understand is it takes alot of responsability and risk to setup a high speed network such as @home or Roadrunner. A single person cannot make somthing like that happen without incorperating into a company. And it takes global ties to pull off international connectivity.
I feel that these people have a very small world view. I just don't understand them.
</rant>
Maybe I'm just confused, but how can you only support one distro? Debian has Alien to allow .rpms, and the actual code FOR Red Hat's Package Manager is free, and will work on any distro (Unless I am mistaken about this?).
:)
Yes, not only does rpm work with other linux distros, you can even get it for Solaris X86. You can also pick up many GNU utils on that site. Just download your favorite source rpms and rebuild for Solaris
Remember when Usenet primarily ran over UUCP on 1200 baud modems?
;)
We called 'em !200 baud modems around here
You can get the parts to build somthing like this at the Dayton Hamfest.
Either back-door bugs are obvious as hell, in which case they could be picked up by review by ten people, max. Or they're not all that obvious after all.
Good God man, you have all ready stated that you do not know how to program. I would imagine that you have no idea who the Apachie group are and do not know the large companies that pay to have Apachie developed. Then again, you could be a toll.
Furthermore, the more people there are checking the source, the more there are out there introducing bugs, for the hell of it. Even if "Apache" is bug free, how can you tell that the disk you got passed by your third cousin who got it from his ex-boss who got it from "some guy" is?
Oh come on, do you not know that you can verify the source with a digital signature from a trusted source? Yep, your a troll.
It would seem far more useful to me if source was "open" in the sense that you could get a copy of the code on production of a reasonable description of what you planned to do with it, what improvement you wanted to make, plus at least two references from people who were prepared to establish your bona fides. Kind of like the criteria for getting a reader's ticket to a law library.
This is not Law, troll. If the package maintainer is a good manager, he will know what is good and allow it in. I guess you want to spread the LIE that these packages just get moved around without a single person looking at the code. SOMEONE MUST LOOK AT THE CODE BEFORE IT IS PLACED IN THE MAIN DISTRIBUTION TREE. ok, ok, so my karma is going to get tanked for this flame, but I don't care. I am DONE with these trolls.
There is no back door
Prove it.
Come on guys! We have something like 20 hand gun deaths in the UK per year. When will you realise that Guns do kill people, and they make killing people easy. Well...
1) My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.
2) My gun is a very good gun. It kills people dead. That is what it was designed to do.
3) Killing someone is not murder. Some people think that ALL violence is bad, this is not so. There are evil people that do evil things and the police are NOT YOUR PERSONAL BODYGUARDS!
4) When a whole group of people have there freedoms taken away, they more than likely have been disarmed. (See South Africa, Kosovo, etc)
if only it was registered members of the NRA that got shot every time I'd be a little happier.
Most NRA members are better shots than most street thugs, but that is beside the point. Why would you wish death on your political enemies? I guess you can't beat them on the ideological battlefield.
How can an old 6809 based machine like the Amiga possibly compete with modern multi-tasking architectures like the PC?
Don't dis my Color Computer and call it an Amiga! But seriously, I know this is OT, but the CoCo with OS-9 Level II could do things that Winderz on 386's could not do at the time. OS-9 is a Multitasking RTOS by Microware.
Gnutella is obviously going to be exlusively used for pirating music, distributing pornography and dubious material like race hate propaganda, pro-life information and so on.
<VOICE style="redneck">
YEA! I bet it works like that there intranet thingy I heard about on the "Christian Broadcast Network".
</VOICE>
Geez people, let's not try and turn the internet into Sesame Street. I know I'm feeding the little troll, but people buy into this crap.
Have you ever noticed the UserID #'s of the people that bitch about /. being too nice to OSS/Free Software?
161364 - Joe E Sunshine
69750 - tommck
6851 - fatboy (Me)
Gee, can you say newbie.
But who cares about anti gravity...when all we really need is a warp engine.
I would be willing to bet that the first step to FTL travel will be FTL communications. Imagine how that will affect things such as talking to the Mars probes, or probes on the other side of the solar system. We will be able to do real-time interactive "stuff" with object very very far away. It will be cool.
The vaunted US system. I love a system where more money is spent each year on the military than on helping the poor and the sick.
Wow, I guess you have never heard of charity. Just because the government spends more on the military does not mean that the "poor" are not taken care of.
Relative morality is a slippery slope, my friend.
You seem to think that there is an RFC on morality or something, there is not. Morality changes from culture to culture. Those in power get to impose their morality on the culture.
And as soon as your kid starts the program up, what's the first thing he sees? A huge list of pornography, bomb-making instruction manuals and virulent anti-Christian diatribes. Do you want your child exposed to this kind of filth? If you are a patriotic American then it is your moral duty to oppose these things and anything which contributes to their spread thorugh society. Children need to be protected so that they can grow up to be good, decent, Christian people.
My God, you must suck as a parent. Would you let your kids go play in traffic? The Internet _IS_ the real world, lets not try to reduce it to Seaseme Street just because _YOU_ are a bad parent. Nothing you listed above is illegal, but you seem to have some whacked idea that your morals are better than mine. Aint it a bitch you can't legislate morailty. America would be a very boring place if you could.
Fuck being safe.... I want FREEDOM!
P.S. I can't wait for the Republican party to throw "Christans" like you out of their party.
Sorry about the spelling errors.
"Microsoft always comes to our door, they bring demo units, keep us in touch with their engineers, and certification for our people costs only $2000 each, on-site. Red Hat wants $5,000 a person and we have to fly our people to Durham, [N.C.]."
Well, at least the OS costs little or nothing.
Wired Magazine had a great article about these cars. Their performance often outpaces gas-powered dragsters and they don't make noise.
Street cars, yes. NHRA dragsters, um no. Look at these results. Top Fuel dragsters are faster than "jet cars" in the 1/4 mile. They burn 7 gallons of fuel in less than 4 seconds and have speeds of over 200+MPH at the finish line.
Don't get me wrong, electric toy dragsters sound like fun, but they are not THAT fast.
Oh and I suppose that you tried to beat the shit out of every person who called you names as a kid huh? Man you must have received a lot of beatings.
No, just one or two. Bullies only pick on people that allow them to do so.
Tell me how making risky choices makes me inherently better?
Because without taking risks, you will lead an empty, empty life. You cannot be sucessful WITHOUT taking risks.
Frankly I would think that most intelligent people would realize that it is better to fight another day.
Then you and those "most intelligent people", Sir, are cowards.
My very first computer was a TRS-80 Color Computer 3
/w2
... again, nope I don't miss it that much ;)
Mine was a CoCo 1 rev D. but I got a CoCo 3 later on. Boy I miss OS-9 Level II. Wish someone would write an emulator for the 6809 for Linux, hint,hint. The way that OS windowed was _REALLY_ cool. Oh to type...
display 1b 20 02 14 0a 28 0a 01 00 00
shell i-/w2 &
The question should be, why did they change from NT and IIS to Linux and Apache? A year ago they were on NT and IIS.