this is not offtopic... if i were expressing this in an apache forum it would be but I am not, i am merely expressing the most important thing for accessories (and holy riches for whoveer succeeds) IMHO is non bulgeness.
Mods are surely on crack. I am on 485 points in SoA.
This user makes a flippant one line comment and gets +5 for saying what everyone thinks already. How about some productive thinging rather than mods responding to blatant whorness.
INdeed this is an insightful comment regarding a minor software company [somehat involved in the original half-life, but the programmers have moved on and only the company shell remains] receiving what other minor software companies bear on a daily basis.
Yeah, great. Hope for a FP and question MS... what is the point in making a flipant one-line comment in the futeless quest for Karma (which is damn easy) when you could have written something meaningful?
Note all the one line comments above: they want to get the FP but, sadly, also want Karma so prefer to spill a single line comment or something mildly provoking, rather than something meaningful.
Appologies, succeed only applied to overall success. Yes I agree OO is a better solution for home users, SOHO or even medium sized companies that don't need the extra 5% functionality.
I like OO, encourage others to give it a go. But I think to create sufficient critical demand for software allowing it to become the industry standard is to create demand at the top of the business chain (who MS bend over backward to serve), so something that MS don't have is the only thing that can break them.
Although for the home your reasons are good, for the business:
1. My company pays, I do not. They get a huge discount and even if for 1000 users it only costs $100K eacg, that's only $100,000K (the price of a single senior analyst a year). Role that over the three year product lifestyle and $100K is the cost of a junior admin staff over those three years. In anorganisation of 1000 this is hardly a good thing, when all OO can do is all MSOffice can do. If OO did something extra that MSOffice did not that would be different, but it is not. Although OO has suppost for office documents, macros cannot be converted unless weeding the code (this takes time, hence money).
2. My secretary does the PDF writing if I need it, this takes less than 5 seconds for me to do and little longer for her (though she also checks various points of detail in it). If something big needs doing I'll forward to our printing department, who will ensure the layout stc is perfect - they are the best people to do the nitty picky presentational polishing, not me.
3. Business licences have already brought down cost of business software for businesses.
4. It's proprietary, and guess what... I can still change it to my needs! Yes I can write macros etc, and can integrate some VB into it and can seamlessly integrate a MS Access DB with Excel etc... but have you ever used Reuters etc??? Reuters worked with MS to reverse engineer Excel to work with live feeds from Reuters, Bloomberg did a similar thing. OO does not have this feature, and until it does will never be the spreadsheet of choice for front office finance work. In the back of a finance office a spreadsheet which cannot do pivot tables easily or work with the existing implenentation (i.e., existing macros or bespoke software) is not worth having on your hard disk.
5. The licence is cheap for a corporate, see 1.
In the end, unless the OO (or even a change over in proprietary software) offers cost savings over the costs involved in changing bespoke applications and macros AND can do all that the previous software will it be implemented by corporates. However to me, the ONLY SURE WAY FOR NEW SOFTWARE TO SUCCEED (proprietary or open source) is to offer new functionality. This is the only thing that can get over the inertia for companies to move. So come on OO, give me something new... I don't know what I want, you've got to do the development of something new and that is truely hard.
No... posted by am email from Outlook Express like on my WinBox reguraly updated thanks to Microsoft Update.
You Linux users really don't know where it is at... after all SSL is just a mathematical equation... guess you should stop using 14 year old 'hax0rs' and use real, professional salaried M$ programmers from the PRC to do your security.
I agree, mainly because 'wireless' things go missing (the audience want a souvenir etc) but if it is plugged in they will not take it with them, and it is technically simpler and cheaper.
The US only went to the moon because the USSR was kicking their ass all over space and they wanted one, just one, victory. Funny thing that despite the Soviet Union falling Russia is still kicking the US's ass, ESA is coming up secong and China are on the inside straight positioned to overtake all if they play it right.
All this while US citizens prefer to become obese than challenge themselves, riding on the economics of an immigrant population that will stop soon leaving the US a mediocre has-been.
Such things (group trips to this hotel and others) are not unusual for perverted Japanese men who want a break from the normal Japanese whores, apparantly......but in all seriousness would a 'high-class' prostitute take part in such an orgy... no, the STD ridden ones (not to say the 'high-class' ones aren't STD ridden, just the low class ones for-sure are) would though, then these men take their new infections back to their wives, girlfriends, yet-to-be-conceived children.
AF is built for one body type (big, butch, strong but little cardio ability with minor permutations between these charactistics) while many body types can succeed in Rugby playing different roles - cardio ability is very very important. Rugby is a faster game for the spectator as the whistle isn't blown every 40 yards (play can flow for minutes sometimes), and is far more entertaining to watch, for me at least.
Football (soccer to some) is plain unsalted cr@p... just an excuse for young (and old) lads to drink loads and have a fight outside the stadium with many other lads with the same idea. You have not seen violence until you have been caught outside the stadium when Cardiff play Notts Forest.
APL is still around, it has sprouted and transformed (with some other languages) into Dyalog, J etc... but it remains one of the leading numerical programming languages (still developed and used by many multinational corporations) that does the hard number crunching background tasks computers are perfect for.
I still use it now and then and can touch type the symbols (though the stick-on tabs are still on my keyboard).
APL... one of the most powerful languages ever... but only comprehendable by those who could have done a doctorate in matrix algebra standing on their head (perhaps that's why it remains very specialised as the code monkeys don't have a clue)...
how much is this costing you in terms of duplicated work, recovering from backups etc? In a team of just a few it still may be costing a hell of a lot: time lost, resources wasted etc...
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this is not offtopic... if i were expressing this in an apache forum it would be but I am not, i am merely expressing the most important thing for accessories (and holy riches for whoveer succeeds) IMHO is non bulgeness.
Mods are surely on crack. I am on 485 points in SoA.
I'm cool
Computing does compute... but even if it could be trusted... should we actually trust those behind it?
were you using X12 Windowmaker again??? DON'T SEASONALLY ADJUST YOUR WINDOWS!!!
lameness filter enounted: Reason: Don't use so many caps. It's like YELLING.
This user makes a flippant one line comment and gets +5 for saying what everyone thinks already. How about some productive thinging rather than mods responding to blatant whorness.
INdeed this is an insightful comment regarding a minor software company [somehat involved in the original half-life, but the programmers have moved on and only the company shell remains] receiving what other minor software companies bear on a daily basis.
Insightful indeed.
Yeah, great. Hope for a FP and question MS... what is the point in making a flipant one-line comment in the futeless quest for Karma (which is damn easy) when you could have written something meaningful?
Note all the one line comments above: they want to get the FP but, sadly, also want Karma so prefer to spill a single line comment or something mildly provoking, rather than something meaningful.
...have got FP, but it is so easy.
Appologies, succeed only applied to overall success. Yes I agree OO is a better solution for home users, SOHO or even medium sized companies that don't need the extra 5% functionality.
I like OO, encourage others to give it a go. But I think to create sufficient critical demand for software allowing it to become the industry standard is to create demand at the top of the business chain (who MS bend over backward to serve), so something that MS don't have is the only thing that can break them.
Although for the home your reasons are good, for the business:
1. My company pays, I do not. They get a huge discount and even if for 1000 users it only costs $100K eacg, that's only $100,000K (the price of a single senior analyst a year). Role that over the three year product lifestyle and $100K is the cost of a junior admin staff over those three years. In anorganisation of 1000 this is hardly a good thing, when all OO can do is all MSOffice can do. If OO did something extra that MSOffice did not that would be different, but it is not. Although OO has suppost for office documents, macros cannot be converted unless weeding the code (this takes time, hence money).
2. My secretary does the PDF writing if I need it, this takes less than 5 seconds for me to do and little longer for her (though she also checks various points of detail in it). If something big needs doing I'll forward to our printing department, who will ensure the layout stc is perfect - they are the best people to do the nitty picky presentational polishing, not me.
3. Business licences have already brought down cost of business software for businesses.
4. It's proprietary, and guess what... I can still change it to my needs! Yes I can write macros etc, and can integrate some VB into it and can seamlessly integrate a MS Access DB with Excel etc... but have you ever used Reuters etc??? Reuters worked with MS to reverse engineer Excel to work with live feeds from Reuters, Bloomberg did a similar thing. OO does not have this feature, and until it does will never be the spreadsheet of choice for front office finance work. In the back of a finance office a spreadsheet which cannot do pivot tables easily or work with the existing implenentation (i.e., existing macros or bespoke software) is not worth having on your hard disk.
5. The licence is cheap for a corporate, see 1.
In the end, unless the OO (or even a change over in proprietary software) offers cost savings over the costs involved in changing bespoke applications and macros AND can do all that the previous software will it be implemented by corporates. However to me, the ONLY SURE WAY FOR NEW SOFTWARE TO SUCCEED (proprietary or open source) is to offer new functionality. This is the only thing that can get over the inertia for companies to move. So come on OO, give me something new... I don't know what I want, you've got to do the development of something new and that is truely hard.
SOrry for rambling.
No... posted by am email from Outlook Express like on my WinBox reguraly updated thanks to Microsoft Update.
You Linux users really don't know where it is at... after all SSL is just a mathematical equation... guess you should stop using 14 year old 'hax0rs' and use real, professional salaried M$ programmers from the PRC to do your security.
I agree, mainly because 'wireless' things go missing (the audience want a souvenir etc) but if it is plugged in they will not take it with them, and it is technically simpler and cheaper.
In this situation wires seem better to me.
The US only went to the moon because the USSR was kicking their ass all over space and they wanted one, just one, victory. Funny thing that despite the Soviet Union falling Russia is still kicking the US's ass, ESA is coming up secong and China are on the inside straight positioned to overtake all if they play it right.
All this while US citizens prefer to become obese than challenge themselves, riding on the economics of an immigrant population that will stop soon leaving the US a mediocre has-been.
Such things (group trips to this hotel and others) are not unusual for perverted Japanese men who want a break from the normal Japanese whores, apparantly... ...but in all seriousness would a 'high-class' prostitute take part in such an orgy... no, the STD ridden ones (not to say the 'high-class' ones aren't STD ridden, just the low class ones for-sure are) would though, then these men take their new infections back to their wives, girlfriends, yet-to-be-conceived children.
AF is built for one body type (big, butch, strong but little cardio ability with minor permutations between these charactistics) while many body types can succeed in Rugby playing different roles - cardio ability is very very important. Rugby is a faster game for the spectator as the whistle isn't blown every 40 yards (play can flow for minutes sometimes), and is far more entertaining to watch, for me at least.
Football (soccer to some) is plain unsalted cr@p... just an excuse for young (and old) lads to drink loads and have a fight outside the stadium with many other lads with the same idea. You have not seen violence until you have been caught outside the stadium when Cardiff play Notts Forest.
Ivor Biggen
A big dump every day keeps me happy... no constipation involved...
Excellent sarcasm, most excellent.
Kinda encouraging piracy isn't it... $100 for a single sereis anyway, no mistake why I have the entire set already... on my hard drive.
w00t
APL is still around, it has sprouted and transformed (with some other languages) into Dyalog, J etc... but it remains one of the leading numerical programming languages (still developed and used by many multinational corporations) that does the hard number crunching background tasks computers are perfect for.
I still use it now and then and can touch type the symbols (though the stick-on tabs are still on my keyboard).
APL... one of the most powerful languages ever... but only comprehendable by those who could have done a doctorate in matrix algebra standing on their head (perhaps that's why it remains very specialised as the code monkeys don't have a clue)...
You ripped that from Animatrix didn't you?
Are on mine: Damnation and a Day Album.
And a few PGP keys.
Nice.
I forgot to ask...
how much is this costing you in terms of duplicated work, recovering from backups etc? In a team of just a few it still may be costing a hell of a lot: time lost, resources wasted etc...
???