Its true. There is a Black Covert Secret Shadow Government. Its run by an elite council of high-level ninjas and a central database computer with the names and addresses of all the people in the world. They coordinate their efforts in broad daylight and nobody even notices. They control the oil prices and the stock market and what comes on TV when. They control everything. You all think you are all so smart and you all laugh but really they are laughing at you because you are so ignorant and naive and because believe all the lies when they tell lies you on the radio and TV and books and radio so go ahead and laugh.
Well, actually, the NSA has significantly better databases and snooping tech than you are indicating. The NSA is definitely in the black (mostly). Insofar as modern mafias are tightly integrated with intelligence communities, your reference to ninjas almost makes sense. Yakuza certainly has a hand in the black. But mostly, the shadow government is a feudal system, with many discreet warring factions. This is a result, mostly, of the deep paranoia and high secrecy - which culminates in concentrations of black power around certain sources of income and/or technologies. Other than that, I more or less agree with you.
You wouldn't believe the technology they are hiding from us. Teleportation. Crops that can feed the whole world three times over. Limitless free electric field energy. Alien mind-control parasites. Genetically engineered mutant supersoldiers with psychic powers who can think you dead from fifty feet away. Trees that grow missiles and ammunition to fuel their wars. Frictionless sandpaper. Beer that makes you smart and funny, instead of just thinking you are. TV remote controls that never get lost.
Teleportation? Such as the space-time warping achieved through the use of extremely high-energy torroidal magnetic fields (ala Philidelphia experiment?). Yes.
Crops that can feed the world three times over? Already exist, white tech... Profit motives create starvation, not lack of crops.
Limitless free electic-field energy? Most definitely. ZPE and other sources have been and continue to be stomped on quite obviously. The oil cartels will not allow such things at this time. Frankly, world economic stability is at risk from such technologies so it makes some sick sense.
Alien mind-control parasites? I don't know about alien, and parasite may not be the right word, but...
Your ideas are starting to get weird after that, but I like the beer that makes you smart and funny - that would be a good seller.
You think you know so much and have it all figured out. But go ahead and keep doing that Because thats just the way they like it.
Actually, what they really like to do is take the stuff they want to be secret, mix it with ridiculous garbage and make a movie out of the synthesis. Put it into the public eye as obvious fiction so that anyone who claims such things exist look like lunatics that believe that the fiction in movies is real... Clever clever boys!
That's some pretty heavy stuff to be serious about!
If it's a joke, why is it so funny? That is an interesting question in itself...
Hey dude... This is slashdot - things neither need to be real and serious nor fictional and funny. They can lie on the imaginary plane where reality and fiction create fractal interference patterns...
o they're down here browbeating George Bush every day? Like an extraterrestrial emmissary from the Sierra Club? PS - Good little capitalists would acquire this technology you describe so that they could make lots and lots of money for themselves. Why keep it secret?
I forgot to mention the politics of this affair. They are interesting indeed. Please consider the following:
If you accept the premise that aliens are, in fact, previously emmigrated human civilizations, then many interesting conclusions and questions can quickly be derived. Some of them I won't expand on in detail, but will leave to the reader to think about as an exercise.
The nature of the previous advanced civilization was likely not civilization on a massive scale such as exists today. In other words, the advanced civilizations were smaller and more elitist, with the inevitible conclusion that massive industrialized manufacturing did not exist on the scale that it does today. If you draw conclusions from this, some of them will be that advanced computer/electronics is probably not part of the technology inventory of the aliens as such technology requires massive efforts with a huge population base to achieve.
As humans themselves, some of them would likely be similar enough to terrestrial humans to walk among us. Some, perhaps not, having racial characteristics from 10,000 years in space that would appear truly alien to us. But some, still looking terrestrial would be able to creep in and quietly integrate into our society.
Terrestrial governments would certainly be aware of the true nature of the aliens (extra-terrestrial human nations) and would view them as such. If you think America is paranoid over nations like Russia (in the past), China and Iran (current), just imagine how they would view an invisible, highly advanced and very ancient nation that is outside of it's sphere of influence.
As humans, extra-terrestrial governments would be sympathetic to earth and would not be interested in harming the planet. But they may well be mad as hell over our abuses of mother earth.
the list goes on and on...
As a side note, one should consider religious traditions in the light of ancient nuclear wars. Traditions such as kosher foods may well be simply a way of attempting to minimize exposure to toxins in the environment. Think on this for a while.
Wow... a new low. The aliens must be laughing themselves sick at our hubris. The possibility that our weapons might prove a threat to a culture capable of mere interstellar travel (let alone "intergalactic") is about the same as an ant colony against the U.S. Army.
Well, maybe, except you should consider that the U.S. black government has significantly more science and technology than exists in the public eye. This is not tin-foil-hat material, it is real and significant. Complete unified field theories, gravo-magnetic energy, weaponry and propulsion and on and on... Don't believe me? You have that option, of course.
As for aliens? Do some research on the net. It will become very clear that what we are likely dealing with is a previously emmigrated human species, having left about 10,000 years ago after creating a nuclear winter right here. They come back, and for them it's like planet of the apes - the primitive tribes (sub-humans) of their time have risen up, built an oil-based economy and are in the process of riding the same rail-road of destruction that they did. Sound spectacularly crazy? Heh... Reality has a funny way of doing that sometimes...
Here is a decent place to start to get a taste. From this neutral site, you can google around and go deep into tin-foil-hat territory, or alternatively, you can investigate the real evidence in a scientific manner. There is a lot of both on the net.
I am actually pretty surprised that here on Slashdot, this article recieves such a mocking response. Skeptisism is good, but laughing is simply playing into the black propaganda to keep you from looking there. Looking there is good and healthy, it just may change the way you see things.
Any research that is funded by tax revenue should be patented and licensed free of charge to all taxpayers. This is elementary, but unfortunately idealistic and impossible to realize in the face of overpowering greed and corruption.
Go to a party. Listen to the laughter, that brittle-tongued voice that says fun on the surface and fear underneath. Feel the tension, feel the pressure. Nobody really relaxes. They are faking it.
Dude. No. You are experiencing the common consensus effect, where you believe that everyone else experiences the world in the same way you do and will read their body language and other cues in the same manner that you would read your own. It is much more likely that the uncomfortable laughter is because the chick laughing really wants to talk to the guy across the room rather than her boyfriend or the guy laughing is imagining the girl next to him naked. Trust me, people are comfortable at these things.
Go to a ball game. Watch the fan in the stand. Watch the irrational fit of anger. Watch the uncontrolled frustration bubbling forth from people that masquerades under the guise of enthusiasm, or team spirit. Booing, cat-calls and unbridled egotism in the name of team loyalty. Drunkenness, fights in the stands. These are the people trying desperately to release tension from within. These are not people who are at peace with themselves.
Dude, I think you might need to get some help. Sounds like you have some emotional issues that you are projecting on the world. There really are lots of people who are exactly what they seem to be and are not erupting in emotional volcanism like you are suggesting.
Watch the news on TV. Listen to the lyrics in popular songs. You find the same theme repeated over and over in variations. Jealousy, suffering, discontent and stress.
If game companies are now allowing ads into their games and claiming that it's a new revenue for them to help improve the quality of games, would it be possible for the game companies to actually LOWER the prices of the games because of the new source of revenue?...Just a thought...
Since it is infinitely easier to data-mine and hunt down information sources on the net than it is to find caves full of real people in places like Afganastan, this is a terrific move. The NSA owns the net (it is unlikely that you can pass information on the net without the NSA filtering software taking a gander at it), and therefore if this is true, the terrorists are cutting their own throats by moving to the net.
NASA is a sham, a front, a cover for the real space program. The real U.S. space program exists in military black-projects and that is where 2000s level technology is being developed and used. You think UFOs are alien? Ha!
Do your own research, but I will present you with the basic idea that ZPE and antigravity are a reality within military black-ops and has been for decades.
In this time of automated exploration of the solar system, robotic probes wandering around on Mars, computer systems decoding the human genome and whatnot, we find that addition in a simple tally of votes is just too damned hard to get right.
Am I being cynical?
Why is it that the American people sit idly by and allow the gutting of America? This Diebold voting scam was about the most obvious and malicious corruption (or coup) of the democratic process in the history of the world. But nobody even bothered to pay attention.
What the hell is wrong with all of us? We should be marching on Washington with pitchforks, torches and hangman nooses!! I'm serious!!
How do you justify your comments? You claim the USA PATRIOT Act abridges Constitutionally protected free speech. Where is the "no free speech" part of the USA PATRIOT Act? Really, where?
I don't want to be demeaning, I really don't. But I have to ask, "Can you really be this stupid?"
Let's say you are granted the rights to free speach under the constitution. Okay, great. Let's go on to further make laws that anytime you say something that could be interpreted as indicative of knowledge, on your part, of terrorist threats against America that you could be arbitrarily labeled as a terrorist threat yourself in order to activate the relevant parts of the Patriot and Terrorist acts that would allow your arrest without a warrant and your being held without a trial (or even any communication whatsoever) for an indefinite period of time. What part of 'that eliminates your rights to free speach' do you not understand?
You claim that saying the wrong thing can have you taken away without a warrant. How? Are you claiming that FISC warrants do not count as warrants?
Actually, you need to also bring the Terrorism Act 2000 to bear and combine it with the Patriot act to appreciate the gravity of the laws that threaten to nullify our constitution. But here are some relevant sections in the Patriot act for your consideration.
Section 215 modifies the rules on records searches so that third-party holders of your financial, library, travel, video rental, phone, medical, church, synagogue, and mosque records can be searched without your knowledge or consent, providing the government says it's trying to protect against terrorism.
Section 218 amends the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), authorizing secret searches without public knowledge or Department of Justice accountability, so long as the government can allege a foreign intelligence basis for the search.
Section 213 warrants -- "Sneak and Peek" -- extend the authority of FISA searches to any criminal search. This allows for secret searches of one's home and property without prior notice.
Section 214 permits the removal of the warrant requirement for "Pen registers" which ascertain phone numbers dialed from a suspect's telephone and "Trap and trace" devices which monitor the source of all incoming calls, so long as the government can certify that the information likely to be obtained is relevant to an ongoing investigation against international terrorism.
Section 216 clarifies that pen register/trap-and-trace authority applies to Internet surveillance. The Act changes the language to include Internet monitoring, specifically information about: "dialing, routing, and signaling." It also broadens such monitoring to any information "relevant to an ongoing criminal investigation."
Section 206 authorizes roving wiretaps: allowing taps on every phone or computer the target may use, and expands FISA to permit surveillance of any communications made to or by an intelligence target without specifying the particular phone line or computer to be monitored.
Section 505 authorizes the use of an administrative subpoena of personal records, without requiring probable cause or judicial oversight.
Section 802 creates a category of crime called "domestic terrorism," penalizing activities that "involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States," if the actor's intent is to "influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion."
Section 411 makes even unknowing association with terrorists a deportable offense.
Section 412 gives the attorney general authority to order a brief detention of aliens without any prior showing or court ruling that the person is dangerous.
Did it ever occur to you that there are no citizens of the United States being held there? Since when does our Constitution apply to citizens
Truth is, the U.S. is probably locked down a bit tighter than China these days. Does China have one of these? Through Echelon and the Patriot act, you can say the wrong thing and have nice black suits show up within 24 hours to take you away without a warrant, hold you indefinitely without a trial and completely ignore any constitutionaly protected rights you think you might have.
That is America today and some people are not so happy about it. People like Ian are sticking their necks out and being good Americans. You aren't trying to tell us he's not a PATRIOT are you?
The reason that computer vision isn't a reality is that everyone has approached it the wrong damned way. I am also an AI researcher and I have the solution to computer vision. The answer is computer imagination.
Think of it as a guessing game (and please watch yourself do the same thing). Imagine that there is a feedback loop within the Computer Vision AI. First, it takes the images from it's sensors and does a first-pass using traditional techniques. Second, it uses that first pass to provide hints to form a 3D computer model of what it is seeing. It renders the model and compares against what it sees. From the point of first comparison, we must use a combination of hill-climbing and a noisy search (such as a constrained genetic algorithm) to attempt to identify models to be included and refine the 3D model that represents the current scene. The goal is to get the rendered scene to match the perceived scene by making informed guesses and refining the model. The result, after enough iterations, is a reasonably accurate semantic representation of what is being perceived. Like human vision, this type of computer vision will never be 100% accurate (unless the models in the database are complete and the system is provided with large numbers of brain-sec cycles to figure the complete scene out), but it doesn't need to be 100% accurate to correctly analyze the most important elements in it's vision.
Humans do something very similar to this, and our feedback mechanism includes very complex analysis (Is that Joe? I can't see his full profile, but that looks like his nose.. No... That's not Joe, his chin is pointier... Maybe that's his brother?)
For AI, always think IMAGINATION and COMPARISON, FEEDBACK, EMERGENT COMPLEXITY and FRACTAL PROCESSING (Meaning that processing networks are combined to form more powerful processing networks in combinatorial patterns that are self-similar at different zooms).
I think the comparison between Petaflops and brainseconds is arbitrarily made and fundamentally flawed.
In pure calculating power computers have surpassed the human brain ages ago. I know nobody who can do a floating point operation in less then a second, much less 10 gazillion Flops. this is not the limiting factor for AI, though.
AI algorithms have to overcome the fact that they are based on digital technology. The brain is analogue. We think not black and white, zero or one, but in shades of grey.
A floating point number is not a one or a zero. The comparison between flops (floating point operations per second) and brain-seconds is actually sound in this regard. Think fuzzy logic using floats.
I honestly dont' think AI research will get big until we discover how to recreate human intelligence. The reason why we don't have true AI today is because we don't have an HI (human intelligence) algorithm in existence - not because our computers are too slow. Even if we suddenly could build cheap computers running at 1000 brainsecs, we wouldn't be able to make them think or make human-like decisions, imo.
We can't really test strong AI theories until the processing power is available, so it becomes an issue of putting the cart before the horse. Once such power is available, at least the tools will exist to realistically study and analyze strong AI algorithms. My own personal belief is that human-level intelligence will follow about 10 years after 10 brainsec level computing power is available to undergrad students at major technology Universities.
Based on this, admittedly rough set of criteria, we can make a prediction. If the japanese 10 brainsec computer is deployed in 2010, then by 2020 such power should have drifted down to Universities. That works out to sentient software by 2030. Funny how it is always 20-30 years out...
Perhaps by 2050, such a beast might fit into a box the size of a modern PC, but it is going to require quite a revolution in fabrication (probably nanotech construction). Ultimately, it should be possible to see real robots in 40-50 years (and big honken thinking machines in less time).
Considering that 1 petaflop roughly= 1 brainsec (the amount of information processing that a typical human brain performs in one second), not only would this computer be fast enough to think, but it should be capable of simulating the brains of 9 human beings, or almost 73 slashdotters with a little bit of idle time on the side.
I just finished reading this article. There is a wonderful excerpt from that article that I would like to quote:
"A petaflop is roughly a human brain-second. Peta is equal to a million gigaflops or a million gigahertz Pentium processors. So we're crossing to a transition of computing power (equivalent to what's) in your head. What will we do with it, or it with us?
I am left with the sense that we should be abandoning flop-talk and simply move to a new measurement: Human brain-second is really alluring. Let's just shorten it to brainsec.
So this new Japanese supercomputer is running at a whopping 10 brainsecs!!! Imagine, you could simulate about 9 people or 47 slashdotters in that supercomputer (some of the power would be required to manage the simulatioins).
Seriously though, AI research will go mainstream with the first supercomputer that can process at greater than 1 brainsec.
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Teleportation? Such as the space-time warping achieved through the use of extremely high-energy torroidal magnetic fields (ala Philidelphia experiment?). Yes.
Crops that can feed the world three times over? Already exist, white tech... Profit motives create starvation, not lack of crops.
Limitless free electic-field energy? Most definitely. ZPE and other sources have been and continue to be stomped on quite obviously. The oil cartels will not allow such things at this time. Frankly, world economic stability is at risk from such technologies so it makes some sick sense.
Alien mind-control parasites? I don't know about alien, and parasite may not be the right word, but...
Your ideas are starting to get weird after that, but I like the beer that makes you smart and funny - that would be a good seller.
Actually, what they really like to do is take the stuff they want to be secret, mix it with ridiculous garbage and make a movie out of the synthesis. Put it into the public eye as obvious fiction so that anyone who claims such things exist look like lunatics that believe that the fiction in movies is real... Clever clever boys!
Are you sure I am serious?
That's some pretty heavy stuff to be serious about!
If it's a joke, why is it so funny? That is an interesting question in itself...
Hey dude... This is slashdot - things neither need to be real and serious nor fictional and funny. They can lie on the imaginary plane where reality and fiction create fractal interference patterns...
If you accept the premise that aliens are, in fact, previously emmigrated human civilizations, then many interesting conclusions and questions can quickly be derived. Some of them I won't expand on in detail, but will leave to the reader to think about as an exercise.
- The nature of the previous advanced civilization was likely not civilization on a massive scale such as exists today. In other words, the advanced civilizations were smaller and more elitist, with the inevitible conclusion that massive industrialized manufacturing did not exist on the scale that it does today. If you draw conclusions from this, some of them will be that advanced computer/electronics is probably not part of the technology inventory of the aliens as such technology requires massive efforts with a huge population base to achieve.
- As humans themselves, some of them would likely be similar enough to terrestrial humans to walk among us. Some, perhaps not, having racial characteristics from 10,000 years in space that would appear truly alien to us. But some, still looking terrestrial would be able to creep in and quietly integrate into our society.
- Terrestrial governments would certainly be aware of the true nature of the aliens (extra-terrestrial human nations) and would view them as such. If you think America is paranoid over nations like Russia (in the past), China and Iran (current), just imagine how they would view an invisible, highly advanced and very ancient nation that is outside of it's sphere of influence.
- As humans, extra-terrestrial governments would be sympathetic to earth and would not be interested in harming the planet. But they may well be mad as hell over our abuses of mother earth.
- the list goes on and on...
As a side note, one should consider religious traditions in the light of ancient nuclear wars. Traditions such as kosher foods may well be simply a way of attempting to minimize exposure to toxins in the environment. Think on this for a while.As for aliens? Do some research on the net. It will become very clear that what we are likely dealing with is a previously emmigrated human species, having left about 10,000 years ago after creating a nuclear winter right here. They come back, and for them it's like planet of the apes - the primitive tribes (sub-humans) of their time have risen up, built an oil-based economy and are in the process of riding the same rail-road of destruction that they did. Sound spectacularly crazy? Heh... Reality has a funny way of doing that sometimes...
Here is a decent place to start to get a taste. From this neutral site, you can google around and go deep into tin-foil-hat territory, or alternatively, you can investigate the real evidence in a scientific manner. There is a lot of both on the net.
I am actually pretty surprised that here on Slashdot, this article recieves such a mocking response. Skeptisism is good, but laughing is simply playing into the black propaganda to keep you from looking there. Looking there is good and healthy, it just may change the way you see things.
I am sure it was the Neanderthals who brought on the ice age by causing nuclear winter. How else could that have happened?
;-)
Funny that you ask: Past nuclear wars reference 1, reference 2.
Do a search, you'll find a lot more... Earth may have a more interesting history than we think
Any research that is funded by tax revenue should be patented and licensed free of charge to all taxpayers. This is elementary, but unfortunately idealistic and impossible to realize in the face of overpowering greed and corruption.
(2) Get russians to agree to take Mark Shuttlebutt to mars
(3) ?
(4) Profit!
Can you imagine a beowolf cluster of trips to mars?
If game companies are now allowing ads into their games and claiming that it's a new revenue for them to help improve the quality of games, would it be possible for the game companies to actually LOWER the prices of the games because of the new source of revenue? ...Just a thought...
Possible? Sure. Likely? hehe
Besides being customizable, Google uses oodles of servers. At $300 / seat for something proprietary, they are saving ungodly amounts of money.
In the end though, it is always about control.
Since it is infinitely easier to data-mine and hunt down information sources on the net than it is to find caves full of real people in places like Afganastan, this is a terrific move. The NSA owns the net (it is unlikely that you can pass information on the net without the NSA filtering software taking a gander at it), and therefore if this is true, the terrorists are cutting their own throats by moving to the net.
Where were you 7 years ago? We have been there already, it is a very common term.
A disruptive technology is any new development that renders portions of the economy obsolete by it's introduction.
NASA is a sham, a front, a cover for the real space program. The real U.S. space program exists in military black-projects and that is where 2000s level technology is being developed and used. You think UFOs are alien? Ha!
Do your own research, but I will present you with the basic idea that ZPE and antigravity are a reality within military black-ops and has been for decades.
In this time of automated exploration of the solar system, robotic probes wandering around on Mars, computer systems decoding the human genome and whatnot, we find that addition in a simple tally of votes is just too damned hard to get right.
Am I being cynical?
Why is it that the American people sit idly by and allow the gutting of America? This Diebold voting scam was about the most obvious and malicious corruption (or coup) of the democratic process in the history of the world. But nobody even bothered to pay attention.
What the hell is wrong with all of us? We should be marching on Washington with pitchforks, torches and hangman nooses!! I'm serious!!
I don't want to be demeaning, I really don't. But I have to ask, "Can you really be this stupid?"
Let's say you are granted the rights to free speach under the constitution. Okay, great. Let's go on to further make laws that anytime you say something that could be interpreted as indicative of knowledge, on your part, of terrorist threats against America that you could be arbitrarily labeled as a terrorist threat yourself in order to activate the relevant parts of the Patriot and Terrorist acts that would allow your arrest without a warrant and your being held without a trial (or even any communication whatsoever) for an indefinite period of time. What part of 'that eliminates your rights to free speach' do you not understand?
Actually, you need to also bring the Terrorism Act 2000 to bear and combine it with the Patriot act to appreciate the gravity of the laws that threaten to nullify our constitution. But here are some relevant sections in the Patriot act for your consideration.
Truth is, the U.S. is probably locked down a bit tighter than China these days. Does China have one of these? Through Echelon and the Patriot act, you can say the wrong thing and have nice black suits show up within 24 hours to take you away without a warrant, hold you indefinitely without a trial and completely ignore any constitutionaly protected rights you think you might have.
That is America today and some people are not so happy about it. People like Ian are sticking their necks out and being good Americans. You aren't trying to tell us he's not a PATRIOT are you?
The reason that computer vision isn't a reality is that everyone has approached it the wrong damned way. I am also an AI researcher and I have the solution to computer vision. The answer is computer imagination.
Think of it as a guessing game (and please watch yourself do the same thing). Imagine that there is a feedback loop within the Computer Vision AI. First, it takes the images from it's sensors and does a first-pass using traditional techniques. Second, it uses that first pass to provide hints to form a 3D computer model of what it is seeing. It renders the model and compares against what it sees. From the point of first comparison, we must use a combination of hill-climbing and a noisy search (such as a constrained genetic algorithm) to attempt to identify models to be included and refine the 3D model that represents the current scene. The goal is to get the rendered scene to match the perceived scene by making informed guesses and refining the model. The result, after enough iterations, is a reasonably accurate semantic representation of what is being perceived. Like human vision, this type of computer vision will never be 100% accurate (unless the models in the database are complete and the system is provided with large numbers of brain-sec cycles to figure the complete scene out), but it doesn't need to be 100% accurate to correctly analyze the most important elements in it's vision.
Humans do something very similar to this, and our feedback mechanism includes very complex analysis (Is that Joe? I can't see his full profile, but that looks like his nose.. No... That's not Joe, his chin is pointier... Maybe that's his brother?)
For AI, always think IMAGINATION and COMPARISON, FEEDBACK, EMERGENT COMPLEXITY and FRACTAL PROCESSING (Meaning that processing networks are combined to form more powerful processing networks in combinatorial patterns that are self-similar at different zooms).
Based on this, admittedly rough set of criteria, we can make a prediction. If the japanese 10 brainsec computer is deployed in 2010, then by 2020 such power should have drifted down to Universities. That works out to sentient software by 2030. Funny how it is always 20-30 years out...
Perhaps by 2050, such a beast might fit into a box the size of a modern PC, but it is going to require quite a revolution in fabrication (probably nanotech construction). Ultimately, it should be possible to see real robots in 40-50 years (and big honken thinking machines in less time).
A computer that fast could nearly think!
Considering that 1 petaflop roughly= 1 brainsec (the amount of information processing that a typical human brain performs in one second), not only would this computer be fast enough to think, but it should be capable of simulating the brains of 9 human beings, or almost 73 slashdotters with a little bit of idle time on the side.
So this new Japanese supercomputer is running at a whopping 10 brainsecs!!! Imagine, you could simulate about 9 people or 47 slashdotters in that supercomputer (some of the power would be required to manage the simulatioins).
Seriously though, AI research will go mainstream with the first supercomputer that can process at greater than 1 brainsec.
The engineers working on this project will be very upset when they are told they are being put on a vegitarian diet.