Yeah, cause noone ever changes a story because they find the "facts" they originally reported turned out to actually be false. Once that happens on p2p and the truth isn't the Truth, how will you correct?
You can photoshop images, but it's far more difficult to photoshop a video of some Iraqi kid videotaping a bunch of americans blowing the crap out of their parents
But it IS pretty easy to just clip off the beginning where the parents shot at the Americans. I'm just saying. This rush to trust "anyone else" is a foolish thing. To each their own I guess.
I'd tend to agree with the author that games tend to be more "free" than traditional media, but it is much simpler than the author wants to suggest. The free comes from the interaction alone. In a movie we go where the director, through the camera, wants us to go. In a game, the player controls where they go. But there will still always be a wall. There will still always be rules, from gravity to supply and demand. There will still always be motives. The game allows a player to inject their motivation, but that doesn't mean the intended result is possible in the world. The freedom is not political in nature, but merely functional. You still can't get anywhere the games designer does not intend for you to go.
The other bit of the freedom puzzle, and this mostly applies to the MMORPG and similar games, is the limitless resources. The constant creation of an abundance of swords, shields, armor, gold, etc means that society is "free" to function very different than in the physical realm. What some, myself included, often see as ideal for the physical world cannot ever truly be attained as long as man is forced to deal with limited resources. One is "free" to run around PK'ing because there is another life for that character/player just around the bend. We can let the marketplace be truly "free" because there is truly enough for everyone. And if there isn't just hang around the spawn point for a minute and there will be.
Now if this shallow "freedom" were to alter the perception of the player, what does this tell us? It should start to set off alot of alarms, for one thing. We would then be dangerously approaching the notion that (some) individuals are unable to know that this freedom is only possible through fantasy. That PK'ing is not ok. That economies are not boundless. Where do we go with a nation of youth who have had their perceptions altered to believe that the shopkeeper is an NPC and one is "free" to treat them how they wish?
And even better, what do we do to the poor sod who always walks around pushing every brick looking for the ever-present secret room that contains the blue key to open the blue door to get to the green key...?
What if instead of bundling two songs from the same artist and raising the price, keep the price the same and bundle a track from a newer artist of similar sound? Give the user full "rights" as if they had purchased both songs. Now you have cheap targeted advertising to someone who is inclined to listen to the new group anyway, but otherwise might not ever find out about them.
I like my idea. I should write a letter to somebody.
If this means just sticking an XBox game in their PC and firing up a good game through an Emulator, I don't see anything at all wrong with this.
Sure enough. But does this emulator magically make your DVD-ROM or, even more likely, CD-ROM able to read a retail Xbox game disc? (I don't know, I can't RTFA because visiting such a site is discouraged here at work) Cause if not, it has no use other than to play ROMs and NOT retail games. And if you don't have an Xbox you don't have a legal way to make your own legal backups. It sounds highly like that if it doesn't allow even a normal DVD-ROM to read the disc, the law would legally differ in opinion.
But hey if it does work its a whole other ballgame.
So you are suggesting physchologists take people who can't possibly give legal consent and subject them to a long term test, the outcome of which could have unforeseen long term negative effects on their ability to merely function in society?
Sure, we are breaking the law, but it's civil disobedience, just like making backups of your DVDs and, just like the original Betamax case, time shifting your viewing material.
Don't forget that the second and most important part of civil disobedience is getting caught and paying for the crime to win the sympathy of the masses. Man I can't wait to see so many of you geeks who like to argue over trivial things go to jail or be forced to declare bankrupcy.
If it isn't from Nintendo, Nintendo fanboys won't buy it. River City Random, Super Dodge Ball, and Double Dragon were amazing games in their day. Much better than Excitebike, Ice Climbers, et al. Which ones do you think are going to move more units? The one's which will allow the fanboys to plant their lips tightest around Miyamoto's phallus of course. End of story.
Correct. Which limits access to many things that the grandparent post threatens. The physical mail sent within US borders, for example. Kinda prevents his whole slippery slope thing through process alone.
Oh, the slope! Its soooooooooooooooo slippery. Slip slip slip. Slippery slip! Slip down down. Or "they" could just keep spying on non-Americans like "they" have always done. Whatever.
How many people died in that Boston Tea Party? Remember, the key part of Terrorism is the Terror. You could call the Boston Tea Party Economic Inconveniencism I guess. You should probably also start questioning what your Poli Sci 1 professor is telling you a little more.
How many citizens in England were killed during the American Revolution? You can use whatever terms you want to describe anything, but it doesn't make them accurate.
Without weighing in on the larger debate, you actually believe this?:
However, if I make plans for a car, call it a "concept", and give you (for free) the plans for it, and you make a car that then injures you, how much liability would I assume? Very little.
You actually think you wouldn't get sued by at least one person that tried to build the car? And remember, once that lawsuit starts you've already lost regardless of outcome if you aren't insured. Don't let the way you want the world to be cloud your view of how the world actually is.
Heh, thanks for the tips. I was wondering more from the other end. I have my nice job but I was curious if these new-fangled game degrees were any more than a scam. Sounds like things are going good so congrats.
Ass bag? Listen here you triple douche, cunt flow, Off the Wall buying mother fucker. I love Nintendo as much as you do, but that doesn't mean that these open source guys are going to save the day. Every night I touch myself and think of a naked cheat for Metroid and still it doesn't come. I have to cry myself to sleep. Where is your precious open source then? Fuck this place. Until I can play naked Metroid Prime its worthless and dead to me.
I don't claim to have all "knowlegde", but I am in the industry. That means I know enough that they pay me to work on commmercial products and gives me a helluva lot more authority than you. Your authority comes from being an AC on slashdot? You have fun with that linux kit. Hey, can you even make software that will run on my unmodded retail PS2? No? Then shut up and fuck off. This is just another thread about open source literally copying closed source then literally begging for recognition. Why dont we all gather round in a circle and jerk off onto this cookie?
and one needs a license to develop commercial software for them.
Of course you can spend money to buy their linux kit and jerk off to the results. Good luck publishing that though. Jeez man, if you are going to reply at least read carefully.
It's just that companies (both retailers and the console makers like Sony) have learned how to controll these problems better than the Atari days (which had nothing to learn from on such issues as it was the first "modern" console in many ways).
MMMMkay, yeah, that's the whole license thing of which I'm speaking. Atari didn't have this process. They tried to prevent Activision (breakaway Atari d00ds) from publishing for Atari systems but because they were selling "personal computers" instead of "game consoles" the judge ruled they couldn't stop them.
SCEA/SCEE/SCEI would have to be retarded, literally, to recognize this. Letting (well, being forced by a judge to let) every Tom, Dick, and Harry develop for the Atari Personal Computer played a big part in its demise. The system was bombarded by crapware. That's why since the NES game consoles are sold as set-top boxes and not personal computers and one needs a license to develop commercial software for them.
I'm sure these people worked hard and their achievement is noteworthy. I'm just familiar with history and that whole learning from other's mistakes thing. I'm sorry but Sony would have to be retarded to sanction or acknowledge this beyond a glorified "Good for you".
One shouldn't assume that just because one can only see two options that no more exist. But by your stubborn defense of slash-think, I guess I shouldn't expect even a hint of open-mindedness. A third option is I was making a joke. Notice said joke doens't have to be funny to show your silly logic weak. And thats just one of many more possible reasons I could have written what I did. Oops I did it again, you look like a fool.
What straw man? I had nothing to attack, weak or strong, since all you did was call me names. Typcial slashbot behavior. Maybe one day you will be able to think for yourself, but I doubt it.
don't care if you pirate money, that is, make unlicensed copies of coins and bills. The government might, but it doesn't really concern me.
I do care if you steal the specific coins that are en route to my account. Which is what the article talks about.
What coin? They don't exist. This is just data in on a piece of paper, and information wants to be free. I still fail to see the problem.
Now this is interesting. Perhaps you might be so kind as to give some examples of Slashdot advocating abolishing all laws (which is what this really means, if you think about it) ?
Its not worth my time since I can already tell by your religious approach here that you would be unable to acknowledge when I did. I can also tell you are not a very open-minded person by the fact you don't think that its within the realm of possibility that someone once on slashdot said that very thing. Try to have a more open mind, nephew.
It is indeed more morally wrong to steal from the poor than from the rich, because the poor will suffer more from losing a given amount of money than the rich will.
I'm going to have to assume you aren't American, and I won't hold your national handicap against you, but we don't actually believe that here. We have a little thing called the 14th amendment that ensures equal protection, regardless of circumstance. But there was no theft here, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time on zealous dolts.
Slashdot Mirror
Yeah, cause noone ever changes a story because they find the "facts" they originally reported turned out to actually be false. Once that happens on p2p and the truth isn't the Truth, how will you correct?
You can photoshop images, but it's far more difficult to photoshop a video of some Iraqi kid videotaping a bunch of americans blowing the crap out of their parents
But it IS pretty easy to just clip off the beginning where the parents shot at the Americans. I'm just saying. This rush to trust "anyone else" is a foolish thing. To each their own I guess.
How about AC Green? Played lots of professional basketball, is now a motivation speaker and business owner, and zero kids out of wedlock.
I'd tend to agree with the author that games tend to be more "free" than traditional media, but it is much simpler than the author wants to suggest. The free comes from the interaction alone. In a movie we go where the director, through the camera, wants us to go. In a game, the player controls where they go. But there will still always be a wall. There will still always be rules, from gravity to supply and demand. There will still always be motives. The game allows a player to inject their motivation, but that doesn't mean the intended result is possible in the world. The freedom is not political in nature, but merely functional. You still can't get anywhere the games designer does not intend for you to go.
The other bit of the freedom puzzle, and this mostly applies to the MMORPG and similar games, is the limitless resources. The constant creation of an abundance of swords, shields, armor, gold, etc means that society is "free" to function very different than in the physical realm. What some, myself included, often see as ideal for the physical world cannot ever truly be attained as long as man is forced to deal with limited resources. One is "free" to run around PK'ing because there is another life for that character/player just around the bend. We can let the marketplace be truly "free" because there is truly enough for everyone. And if there isn't just hang around the spawn point for a minute and there will be.
Now if this shallow "freedom" were to alter the perception of the player, what does this tell us? It should start to set off alot of alarms, for one thing. We would then be dangerously approaching the notion that (some) individuals are unable to know that this freedom is only possible through fantasy. That PK'ing is not ok. That economies are not boundless. Where do we go with a nation of youth who have had their perceptions altered to believe that the shopkeeper is an NPC and one is "free" to treat them how they wish?
And even better, what do we do to the poor sod who always walks around pushing every brick looking for the ever-present secret room that contains the blue key to open the blue door to get to the green key...?
What if instead of bundling two songs from the same artist and raising the price, keep the price the same and bundle a track from a newer artist of similar sound? Give the user full "rights" as if they had purchased both songs. Now you have cheap targeted advertising to someone who is inclined to listen to the new group anyway, but otherwise might not ever find out about them.
I like my idea. I should write a letter to somebody.
If this means just sticking an XBox game in their PC and firing up a good game through an Emulator, I don't see anything at all wrong with this.
Sure enough. But does this emulator magically make your DVD-ROM or, even more likely, CD-ROM able to read a retail Xbox game disc? (I don't know, I can't RTFA because visiting such a site is discouraged here at work) Cause if not, it has no use other than to play ROMs and NOT retail games. And if you don't have an Xbox you don't have a legal way to make your own legal backups. It sounds highly like that if it doesn't allow even a normal DVD-ROM to read the disc, the law would legally differ in opinion.
But hey if it does work its a whole other ballgame.
Product = Something that was produced.
Synonyms include work, yield, device, fabrication, and creation.
So you are suggesting physchologists take people who can't possibly give legal consent and subject them to a long term test, the outcome of which could have unforeseen long term negative effects on their ability to merely function in society?
As long as they are poor people its ok I guess.
Sure, we are breaking the law, but it's civil disobedience, just like making backups of your DVDs and, just like the original Betamax case, time shifting your viewing material.
Don't forget that the second and most important part of civil disobedience is getting caught and paying for the crime to win the sympathy of the masses. Man I can't wait to see so many of you geeks who like to argue over trivial things go to jail or be forced to declare bankrupcy.
If it isn't from Nintendo, Nintendo fanboys won't buy it. River City Random, Super Dodge Ball, and Double Dragon were amazing games in their day. Much better than Excitebike, Ice Climbers, et al. Which ones do you think are going to move more units? The one's which will allow the fanboys to plant their lips tightest around Miyamoto's phallus of course. End of story.
Old school!
Genesis does! What Nintendon't.
Correct. Which limits access to many things that the grandparent post threatens. The physical mail sent within US borders, for example. Kinda prevents his whole slippery slope thing through process alone.
Oh, the slope! Its soooooooooooooooo slippery. Slip slip slip. Slippery slip! Slip down down. Or "they" could just keep spying on non-Americans like "they" have always done. Whatever.
How many people died in that Boston Tea Party? Remember, the key part of Terrorism is the Terror. You could call the Boston Tea Party Economic Inconveniencism I guess. You should probably also start questioning what your Poli Sci 1 professor is telling you a little more.
How many citizens in England were killed during the American Revolution? You can use whatever terms you want to describe anything, but it doesn't make them accurate.
Don't worry about it. We are planning to outsource your job on the 20th so you don't have to come in anyway.
Without weighing in on the larger debate, you actually believe this?:
However, if I make plans for a car, call it a "concept", and give you (for free) the plans for it, and you make a car that then injures you, how much liability would I assume? Very little.
You actually think you wouldn't get sued by at least one person that tried to build the car? And remember, once that lawsuit starts you've already lost regardless of outcome if you aren't insured. Don't let the way you want the world to be cloud your view of how the world actually is.
Heh, thanks for the tips. I was wondering more from the other end. I have my nice job but I was curious if these new-fangled game degrees were any more than a scam. Sounds like things are going good so congrats.
I'm curious. Where was it and did that course get you a job?
Ass bag? Listen here you triple douche, cunt flow, Off the Wall buying mother fucker. I love Nintendo as much as you do, but that doesn't mean that these open source guys are going to save the day. Every night I touch myself and think of a naked cheat for Metroid and still it doesn't come. I have to cry myself to sleep. Where is your precious open source then? Fuck this place. Until I can play naked Metroid Prime its worthless and dead to me.
I don't claim to have all "knowlegde", but I am in the industry. That means I know enough that they pay me to work on commmercial products and gives me a helluva lot more authority than you. Your authority comes from being an AC on slashdot? You have fun with that linux kit. Hey, can you even make software that will run on my unmodded retail PS2? No? Then shut up and fuck off. This is just another thread about open source literally copying closed source then literally begging for recognition. Why dont we all gather round in a circle and jerk off onto this cookie?
You don't read very well do you?
and one needs a license to develop commercial software for them.
Of course you can spend money to buy their linux kit and jerk off to the results. Good luck publishing that though. Jeez man, if you are going to reply at least read carefully.
It's just that companies (both retailers and the console makers like Sony) have learned how to controll these problems better than the Atari days (which had nothing to learn from on such issues as it was the first "modern" console in many ways).
MMMMkay, yeah, that's the whole license thing of which I'm speaking. Atari didn't have this process. They tried to prevent Activision (breakaway Atari d00ds) from publishing for Atari systems but because they were selling "personal computers" instead of "game consoles" the judge ruled they couldn't stop them.
C'mon nephew, this is game history 101.
SCEA/SCEE/SCEI would have to be retarded, literally, to recognize this. Letting (well, being forced by a judge to let) every Tom, Dick, and Harry develop for the Atari Personal Computer played a big part in its demise. The system was bombarded by crapware. That's why since the NES game consoles are sold as set-top boxes and not personal computers and one needs a license to develop commercial software for them.
I'm sure these people worked hard and their achievement is noteworthy. I'm just familiar with history and that whole learning from other's mistakes thing. I'm sorry but Sony would have to be retarded to sanction or acknowledge this beyond a glorified "Good for you".
I did too! And someone enjoying the name too. I couldn't believe it was available!. Oh well. Have a nice day.
So what is your additional option?
One shouldn't assume that just because one can only see two options that no more exist. But by your stubborn defense of slash-think, I guess I shouldn't expect even a hint of open-mindedness. A third option is I was making a joke. Notice said joke doens't have to be funny to show your silly logic weak. And thats just one of many more possible reasons I could have written what I did. Oops I did it again, you look like a fool.
What straw man? I had nothing to attack, weak or strong, since all you did was call me names. Typcial slashbot behavior. Maybe one day you will be able to think for yourself, but I doubt it.
don't care if you pirate money, that is, make unlicensed copies of coins and bills. The government might, but it doesn't really concern me. I do care if you steal the specific coins that are en route to my account. Which is what the article talks about.
What coin? They don't exist. This is just data in on a piece of paper, and information wants to be free. I still fail to see the problem.
Now this is interesting. Perhaps you might be so kind as to give some examples of Slashdot advocating abolishing all laws (which is what this really means, if you think about it) ?
Its not worth my time since I can already tell by your religious approach here that you would be unable to acknowledge when I did. I can also tell you are not a very open-minded person by the fact you don't think that its within the realm of possibility that someone once on slashdot said that very thing. Try to have a more open mind, nephew.
It is indeed more morally wrong to steal from the poor than from the rich, because the poor will suffer more from losing a given amount of money than the rich will.
I'm going to have to assume you aren't American, and I won't hold your national handicap against you, but we don't actually believe that here. We have a little thing called the 14th amendment that ensures equal protection, regardless of circumstance. But there was no theft here, so I'm not going to waste any more of my time on zealous dolts.