So why can't you just say it might actually affect me as a EULA if I intend to modify something covered by the GPL but not distribute it? That was quite a few words but you didn't directly refute what I said. I still cannot modify it legally without accepting the GPL. Its a EULA. Using passive aggressive language instead of just plain aggressive doesn't change anything.
Weird, just re-reading the GPL, as I am prone to do, it says that it is the only thing that grants me permission to modify the software. If I modify the software I have to follow certain steps. This language is independent of the copyright language. If it reads like a EULA and sounds like a EULA...
Kinda like modifying iTMS content. Whatev, I'm not interested in either. Type of content that is, not the modification thereof.
I doubt anyone would care. If all publishers were certain of a sale of at least one copy of all titles to each and every library in America, I think they would welcome it with open arms.
It would probably make alot of the marginal propositions profitable if libraries were buying every game that came out.
So buy it for them. When you have a limited budget and you have to choose between replacing your one copy of The Grapes of Wrath that has become too wretched to keep through years of use and OMFG LETS GET UT2k4, which one do you think the library will pick?
I see the efforts of this article as only slightly more "religious" than if they were going around teaching crop rotation and demonstrating ingenious water purification techniques.
Your comparison is a little off. The songs on an album would be more like the chapters of the same book, and yes you would likely miss the artist's intended effect if you didnt read those chapters in order. If you think an artist does not consider which songs make the album and in what order the songs should go, you have obviously been listening to the wrong artists.
I'm not totally on board with the brain damage thing, but there is a lot to be said for a good total record and it can be greater than the sum of its parts.
Nonsense. You poison open-mindedness by your need to get to people before they can read my point. That point being, don't go sucking each others dicks just yet, anything can and will happen. But since you don't actually have your own opinion and seek only to silence mine, I can see how you can't appreciate that.
Heh, the clear channel rock station here has hardly a DJ at all local or otherwise. Most of the song introduction/explanation stuff is handled by listeners who called in to request a song. They record a little thing and its "Hi Im X from Y City and this is B record from C band."
Unless the judge ruled that the GPL is so totally unenforceable that the authors have now given their code away and anyone who has used it is indemnified from their previous actions and just now have to cease usage. And don't say that's outside the realm of possibility. It isn't.
So, you are suggesting that perhaps IBM, RedHat, Novell, Sun, Netscape, et al, are only supporting Linux and OSS because they expect the license on it to become invalid and somehow result in a victory for them?
No, I'm saying that in my context those people don't matter. The people that "matter" in this context are those that are on the bubble, but see people getting sued left and right over this GPL thing and decide they don't want anything to do with it. The groups already on one side of the fence or the other don't "matter" when it comes to being convinced.
OR alternately if the GPL is ruled enforcable it could send everyone that matters running screaming away from GPL'ed code. If the GPL is ruled not enforcable but for a clause that has nothing to do with EULA's in general, well its pretty obvious where that leaves things.
I guess the outlook has alot to due with if your glasses are rose-colored or not at this point.
It is and it does. But hey, when you are playing with your own tens of millions, feel free to piddle them away however you want. Until then you are just another internet loudmouth.
It aint trolling since all you have is your opinion about the quality of a few games to refute me, while I have all the knowledge. Thats called "teaching". Its not my fault you refuse to see the forest for the trees.
You unabashed Nintendo apologizing is getting old. Get a clue.
And now you're running and you're running and you're running away You're running from the Plumber Man And now you're running and you're running and you're running away You're running from the Plumber Man
Rare - checked out. Left Field - checked out. Silicon Knights - checked out.
No need to lock up exclusives from third parties if one is getting out of the hardware business.
Actually you can know. There is no rule preventing a company from asking the consumer if they want it. This is called "research".
And for MMORPGs it isn't an "issue", they are making money. If they would have to spend 2 million to get your 9.95 per month, its pretty clear they know exactly what they are doing.
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So why can't you just say it might actually affect me as a EULA if I intend to modify something covered by the GPL but not distribute it? That was quite a few words but you didn't directly refute what I said. I still cannot modify it legally without accepting the GPL. Its a EULA. Using passive aggressive language instead of just plain aggressive doesn't change anything.
Weird, just re-reading the GPL, as I am prone to do, it says that it is the only thing that grants me permission to modify the software. If I modify the software I have to follow certain steps. This language is independent of the copyright language. If it reads like a EULA and sounds like a EULA...
Kinda like modifying iTMS content. Whatev, I'm not interested in either. Type of content that is, not the modification thereof.
I doubt anyone would care. If all publishers were certain of a sale of at least one copy of all titles to each and every library in America, I think they would welcome it with open arms.
It would probably make alot of the marginal propositions profitable if libraries were buying every game that came out.
So buy it for them. When you have a limited budget and you have to choose between replacing your one copy of The Grapes of Wrath that has become too wretched to keep through years of use and OMFG LETS GET UT2k4, which one do you think the library will pick?
I see the efforts of this article as only slightly more "religious" than if they were going around teaching crop rotation and demonstrating ingenious water purification techniques.
And yet they aren't.
But what if you don't even have a metaphorical body of water to fish in the first place? That's really where the country is.
Your comparison is a little off. The songs on an album would be more like the chapters of the same book, and yes you would likely miss the artist's intended effect if you didnt read those chapters in order. If you think an artist does not consider which songs make the album and in what order the songs should go, you have obviously been listening to the wrong artists.
I'm not totally on board with the brain damage thing, but there is a lot to be said for a good total record and it can be greater than the sum of its parts.
Nonsense. You poison open-mindedness by your need to get to people before they can read my point. That point being, don't go sucking each others dicks just yet, anything can and will happen. But since you don't actually have your own opinion and seek only to silence mine, I can see how you can't appreciate that.
Heh, the clear channel rock station here has hardly a DJ at all local or otherwise. Most of the song introduction/explanation stuff is handled by listeners who called in to request a song. They record a little thing and its "Hi Im X from Y City and this is B record from C band."
Its pretty hot. Radio DJs are lame.
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Ah, so your point is to discourage others from approaching the issue with an open mind. At least we understand each other.
If you actually believed it was 100% impossible you wouldnt have had to reply. Who are you trying to convince? Me or yourself?
Unless the judge ruled that the GPL is so totally unenforceable that the authors have now given their code away and anyone who has used it is indemnified from their previous actions and just now have to cease usage. And don't say that's outside the realm of possibility. It isn't.
So, you are suggesting that perhaps IBM, RedHat, Novell, Sun, Netscape, et al, are only supporting Linux and OSS because they expect the license on it to become invalid and somehow result in a victory for them?
No, I'm saying that in my context those people don't matter. The people that "matter" in this context are those that are on the bubble, but see people getting sued left and right over this GPL thing and decide they don't want anything to do with it. The groups already on one side of the fence or the other don't "matter" when it comes to being convinced.
OR alternately if the GPL is ruled enforcable it could send everyone that matters running screaming away from GPL'ed code. If the GPL is ruled not enforcable but for a clause that has nothing to do with EULA's in general, well its pretty obvious where that leaves things.
I guess the outlook has alot to due with if your glasses are rose-colored or not at this point.
Wow, this "research" stuff sounds great.
It is and it does. But hey, when you are playing with your own tens of millions, feel free to piddle them away however you want. Until then you are just another internet loudmouth.
Wow, you provide 2 IGN links to support your claim? Neat! Cause you can't spell ignorant without IGN.
It aint trolling since all you have is your opinion about the quality of a few games to refute me, while I have all the knowledge. Thats called "teaching". Its not my fault you refuse to see the forest for the trees.
You unabashed Nintendo apologizing is getting old. Get a clue.
And now you're running and you're running and you're running away
You're running from the Plumber Man
And now you're running and you're running and you're running away
You're running from the Plumber Man
Rare - checked out. Left Field - checked out. Silicon Knights - checked out.
No need to lock up exclusives from third parties if one is getting out of the hardware business.
Actually you can know. There is no rule preventing a company from asking the consumer if they want it. This is called "research".
And for MMORPGs it isn't an "issue", they are making money. If they would have to spend 2 million to get your 9.95 per month, its pretty clear they know exactly what they are doing.
If the cost of developing the new flavor is greater than the revenue generated by the new flavor, they don't make the new flavor.
Your silly analogy proves nothing; other than you don't even fundamentally understand the issue.
Yeah, all those modern d20 games suck.
"The fact" indeed.
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Yeah, because the world works best when everyone goes around satisfying the noisiest, most ill-tempered and stubborn among us.
I'd suggest you open your mind to the fact that you might be wrong, but that wouldn't really fit your own description of yourself.
Are you in the industry beyond running a fansite? I doubt you know much of what you write.
Everyone has an opinion on something, most are uninformed and made out of ignorance.
Hmmm, that would be any that disagree with yours, right?
Are you sure you aren't part of the problem?
Who submitted this? There were quite a few people gathered around playing this at work today. Curious...