>Did you try pressing the eject button on the CD drive?
yes I did. because the disk was mounted the CD tray was locked, and since there were no icons there was no way to unmount except for opening a console and doing it manually (which wouldn't be at all obvious to a new linux user) or rebooting (completely unacceptable).
I've tried beta 2 so the following is simply The Truth, but doesn't mean I won't be modded Troll:
I hate the way Mandrake makes KDE look disgusting whereas SUSE makes it look beautiful, and also functional as opposed to Mandrake's default usless patterns around all the windows.
I couldn't find any links to my drives on the desktop or elsewhere, and so was unable to get the CD out (not counting rebooting or command-line unmounting which are both unacceptable for a modern OS aimed at the public).
the configuration panel seemed nice but very slow and several of the options would cause a crash and the system wouldn't even restart.
so back to SUSE 8.2 for me until the next version with KDE 3.2 comes out.
>And also, he comes off as being tremendously pompous.
agreed, I read the first few chapters and it seemed like all he kept saying was "there's going to be A New Kind Of Science... I'm telling you about A New Kind Of Science... in this A New Kind Of Science... this is a A New Kind Of Science... A New Kind Of Science... A New Kind Of Science... A New Kind Of Science..."
stop trying to convince me you're starting a scientific revolution and get to the fucking point!
what a prick. that's why Mathematica is the only piece of "pirated" software I have.
they'll put them in Guantanamo bay and call them "illegal distributors" and claim "human rights" don't apply to people who have broken the law of the land.
it's okay for free software to be provided "as-is" without guarantee.
it's a completely different story when commercial software is advertised and sold for a specific purpose but then says in the mandatory agreement that you mustn't have any expectations that it works at all.
>Essentially, we don't guarantee our product works, but you should still pay us for it. Seems to be the philosophy of many software companies...
and that's one of the reasons why they don't deserve to have their products protected by patents (even if software patents weren't a horrible idea anyway)
at least "real" products are covered by the Sale of Goods Act (UK) etc. to guarantee a certain level of quality - you give a little, you get a little.
usually the point of a pizza delivery is that someone comes up to you and hands you a pizza soon after placing your order.
at that point, you can pay with cash just as easily as you can at the restaurant, but without the risk of being seen on CCTV cameras or mugged en route.
not meaning to troll or anything, but surely anyone who cares about this kind of trivia (like me) would have known about it months ago when watching the TT DVD documentaries?
are the slashdot editors trying to have a competition of who can post the oldest story?
I hate installers, the fact I can just unzip and go with Firebird is great. it can be used on computers without needing admin priviledges and in linux it avoids the problem that installing ANYTHING that didn't come on the CD can be a pain for someone who just wants to USE linux, not LEARN linux.
what's the point of an installation except to mess up the registry and dump a load of unwanted problem-causing files in non-obvious places?
also, unzipping into new directories means being able to have several versions at once, and yet settings etc. are tranferred over fine.
yes they are. it's like the "free internet access" thing that was finally banned.
no-one expects unlimited to refer to time because "always on" is now a standard feature of practically all ISPs, just like "no *access* charge" was/is.
imagine if they advertised "24/7" access then you found out you could only use it for 3.4 hours a month i.e. 24 divided by 7.
imagine if a bank advertised a credit card as "interest free" then it turned out they applied 50% interest a month but didn't charge you a service fee for calculating how much that comes to.
advertisement standards aren't about what you can argue, but what is reasonable for the customer to expect.
it doesn't work like that. because you get paid so much per hour, doesn't mean you're creating that much good/services for the company. who's to say if you weren't wasting time on a virus you'd be wasting time on something else? it happens all the time. what if the help desk didn't need to deal with the virus and it was quiet and they just sat there? you'd be losing even more money because you're paying them to do nothing at all!!!1111
you're using the same kind of maths as the RIAA - that because someone downloaded a single track to see what it's like, they've lost money equal to the store price of the entire album. it simply isn't true.
I like Linux and OSS. I'm glad that SCO got DDOS'd, they're bastards and deserve it. There's nothing wrong with this imo.
What I think IS a problem, is you trying to make it seem like OSS is one big community where everyone has the same opinions and they all move in the same direction.
I should be able to say "fuck SCO" all day long and it have nothing to do with the fact I use OSS. but then you start making it seem that liking OSS is some kind of religion that governs all my actions.
I use Linux cos it has the tools I need. I use Firebird because it's a fantastic browser. I say "fuck SCO" cos they're full of BS. Get over it.
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it wasn't working for me. YMMV.
>Did you try pressing the eject button on the CD drive?
yes I did. because the disk was mounted the CD tray was locked, and since there were no icons there was no way to unmount except for opening a console and doing it manually (which wouldn't be at all obvious to a new linux user) or rebooting (completely unacceptable).
I've tried beta 2 so the following is simply The Truth, but doesn't mean I won't be modded Troll:
I hate the way Mandrake makes KDE look disgusting whereas SUSE makes it look beautiful, and also functional as opposed to Mandrake's default usless patterns around all the windows.
I couldn't find any links to my drives on the desktop or elsewhere, and so was unable to get the CD out (not counting rebooting or command-line unmounting which are both unacceptable for a modern OS aimed at the public).
the configuration panel seemed nice but very slow and several of the options would cause a crash and the system wouldn't even restart.
so back to SUSE 8.2 for me until the next version with KDE 3.2 comes out.
but Newton is famous for saying "If I have seen further it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
Wolfram is famous for saying "I've created A New Kind Of Science. You owe me $200,000."
>And also, he comes off as being tremendously pompous.
agreed, I read the first few chapters and it seemed like all he kept saying was "there's going to be A New Kind Of Science... I'm telling you about A New Kind Of Science... in this A New Kind Of Science... this is a A New Kind Of Science... A New Kind Of Science... A New Kind Of Science... A New Kind Of Science..."
stop trying to convince me you're starting a scientific revolution and get to the fucking point!
what a prick. that's why Mathematica is the only piece of "pirated" software I have.
they'll put them in Guantanamo bay and call them "illegal distributors" and claim "human rights" don't apply to people who have broken the law of the land.
that should be fine.
the only part I'd have trouble with is the invoices since I don't keep them, but if I were a business I would.
>see free software disappear
B.S.
it's okay for free software to be provided "as-is" without guarantee.
it's a completely different story when commercial software is advertised and sold for a specific purpose but then says in the mandatory agreement that you mustn't have any expectations that it works at all.
a car must by law be fit to drive.
software licenses say that the software isn't guaranteed to be fit for anything at all, not even the purpose it's advertised for.
>Essentially, we don't guarantee our product works, but you should still pay us for it. Seems to be the philosophy of many software companies...
and that's one of the reasons why they don't deserve to have their products protected by patents (even if software patents weren't a horrible idea anyway)
at least "real" products are covered by the Sale of Goods Act (UK) etc. to guarantee a certain level of quality - you give a little, you get a little.
take responsibility or fuck off.
wtf?
usually the point of a pizza delivery is that someone comes up to you and hands you a pizza soon after placing your order.
at that point, you can pay with cash just as easily as you can at the restaurant, but without the risk of being seen on CCTV cameras or mugged en route.
pfft... guns kill more people than they save.
hmmm... that was supposed to be a Simpson's reference (Homer: seatbelts kill...), but actually it's true.
so...
um.
1. how do you watch a commentary?
2. whether they wan't to rob him or not was not proven,
not meaning to troll or anything, but surely anyone who cares about this kind of trivia (like me) would have known about it months ago when watching the TT DVD documentaries?
are the slashdot editors trying to have a competition of who can post the oldest story?
wow, you suck
>Where's the real "News for Nerds"
duh, sometimes someone links to a New Scientist article
see point 2 of 2.
jeez, there were only 2 lines, where'd you manage to get lost? the white space in between?
another year of SCO as they try taking that through the courts...
"Windows" != "windows"
English["windows"] != BELENUX["windows"]
ARE YOU KIDDING!?
I hate installers, the fact I can just unzip and go with Firebird is great. it can be used on computers without needing admin priviledges and in linux it avoids the problem that installing ANYTHING that didn't come on the CD can be a pain for someone who just wants to USE linux, not LEARN linux.
what's the point of an installation except to mess up the registry and dump a load of unwanted problem-causing files in non-obvious places?
also, unzipping into new directories means being able to have several versions at once, and yet settings etc. are tranferred over fine.
plus it's quicker.
it's called nuclear PHYSICS.
it involves NUCLEI, not atoms.
yes they are. it's like the "free internet access" thing that was finally banned.
no-one expects unlimited to refer to time because "always on" is now a standard feature of practically all ISPs, just like "no *access* charge" was/is.
imagine if they advertised "24/7" access then you found out you could only use it for 3.4 hours a month i.e. 24 divided by 7.
imagine if a bank advertised a credit card as "interest free" then it turned out they applied 50% interest a month but didn't charge you a service fee for calculating how much that comes to.
advertisement standards aren't about what you can argue, but what is reasonable for the customer to expect.
not necessary. the electron is just a single particle and that changed the entire world.
it doesn't work like that. because you get paid so much per hour, doesn't mean you're creating that much good/services for the company. who's to say if you weren't wasting time on a virus you'd be wasting time on something else? it happens all the time. what if the help desk didn't need to deal with the virus and it was quiet and they just sat there? you'd be losing even more money because you're paying them to do nothing at all!!!1111
you're using the same kind of maths as the RIAA - that because someone downloaded a single track to see what it's like, they've lost money equal to the store price of the entire album. it simply isn't true.
I like Linux and OSS.
I'm glad that SCO got DDOS'd, they're bastards and deserve it.
There's nothing wrong with this imo.
What I think IS a problem, is you trying to make it seem like OSS is one big community where everyone has the same opinions and they all move in the same direction.
I should be able to say "fuck SCO" all day long and it have nothing to do with the fact I use OSS. but then you start making it seem that liking OSS is some kind of religion that governs all my actions.
I use Linux cos it has the tools I need. I use Firebird because it's a fantastic browser. I say "fuck SCO" cos they're full of BS. Get over it.