Irrelevant? Why is it irrelevant? Turning something into partisan politics by associating a Democratic institution (Jim Crow) with the Tea-baggers is neither rational nor logical.
But I see I hit a nerve with you, so I'll keep this above board (something you can't seem to do)... Teddy Roosevelt started his own party too. What's your point? That Democrats can't own up to their past, or that blanket assumptions of "Republicans == party of evil racist white guys" just isn't factual. (It wasn't always so, which was my entire point.) History is never irrelevant.
You may not know it, but you've proven my point... and I thank you.
whatever you say. If it helps you sleep at night to believe I'm some sort of closet tea-party-fanatic... go right ahead. It's not really doing anything to change the first part of this argument:
The democrats were the party of Jim Crow. I know you feel that MSNBC can do no wrong, but the party affiliations mean little in the grand scheme of things, so equating Republicans with something Democrats did just proves my point. You know little if anything about US History. If you aren't an American, I can see that as just a lack of education. If you are American, I can see it's just stupid.
Monopolies themselves are not illegal (at least here in the US they aren't... can't really say for other countries). It's the abuse of monopoly position that is the crime here (what Microsoft did, AT&T, and Standard Oil to name a few.) It's a subtle difference, but one that makes a huge impact on how we view these sorts of things. I really can't see why vertical monopolies are not abuse of monopoly position by their very nature though... admittedly, I don't have much time invested in pondering that one...
I am not a Teabagger. You are under the mistaken impression that because I point out about Jim Crow that somehow I'm a fan of Sarah Palin. You assume too much, I think.
And when they stopped, it became a derogatory term for the protesters. Hence the entire point of this thread. Trying to hide behind a little history, publiclurker has tipped his hand, but refuses to admit it.
I'm not a tea-bagger (in any sense)... I'm a Libertarian, which means I've been having the same frustrations the "teabaggers" seem to only recently been exposed to. In other words, I'm not a Republicrat. Many people think Libertarians are cop-outs and fringe nuts... but I stand behind the concept of a limited federal government that is in line with the Founders. It's pretty simple really... the Federal power-grab has disenfranchised me long before Obama or Sarah Palin.
Indeed, but like other words (fag, gay, etc.) the meaning has become less of an accurate description. And since they don't call themselves that anymore, the only ones left are you dems.
Which is why the first reply to your statement was uttered at all. The "rich white guy" party used to be the Democrats... and these convenient funny little quips about it all disguise the fact that those who still feel Democrats are the "party of the little people" simply forget their own history.
You mentioned Tea Partiers... and there aren't Any Tea Party democrats.... or Republicans...
And Republicans don't call Tea Party protesters "teabaggers".... that's the Democrats. Funny how you don't have to when you color the name of the thing you don't like.
Well said. (in spite of your sig *grin*) The problem with the DC gun ban was that it wasn't a ban, they just created a condition that no gun owner could fulfill. "Must be licensed" and closing the facility that handled the licenses was devious to begin with because the asshats who run DC knew a ban would be overturned based on 2nd Amendment rights.
People who argue the "militia" angle as the "people" meaning the collective cannot reconcile that the 1st amendment has "people" in it and it has been understood (correctly) as "individuals". So all the anti-gun nuts in the Brady Club and all that other nonsense can just plain kiss it.:)
Keep in mind the Democratic Party at the time was the "Party of Jim Crow"... so take your generalizations elsewhere. Thinking people don't want to hear it.
Kinda like how all the Soviets are in dutch prisons for war crimes in Chechnya, or Afghanistan. Or the French for Vietnam.... (they were there first, thank you very much..)
Spare me the one-world harmony blather. When the shoe's on the other foot you'll be singing a different tune, I'll bet.
Hindsight is 20/20... I hate to harp on that... but it is. Hero? Hardly. Unlucky bastard? Pretty much. A flying tank? ever see what an RPG can do to the "flying tank"? Let's put your ass in one and shoot an RPG at it... see how long you believe that the aircraft is invulnerable. I can pretty much tell you how long right now... Up until about 3 milliseconds before the RPG detonates and you're a greasy spot on the tarmac.
you are proceeding from a false premise. You assume because after the fact there were not weapons that they deliberately lied to get permission to fire on known-unarmed civilians. That is unproven and characterizes everything else you say as politically charged nonsense.
Sitting in your cushy chair behind a computer screen surrounded by familiar things makes it easy to discern that fact. Getting into a hot battlefield area in a war zone might make your judgement to be a little less accurate.
The cover-up is heinous. The actions are not fully understood. Before you rap the judgement hammer, let ALL the facts come forward. Until the WTF is just that. "WTF." Until you fly a mile in their shoes, don't judge how a camera and tripod can be mistaken in a crowd for weapons. So, your assertions, like mine, aren't worth bunk. At least I admit that... you seem to get on the self-righteous horse really easily.
War crimes? Are you fucking mad? Glad to hear your patriotism doesn't get in the way of due process. Give me a break.
Sometimes this happens when there is no "war" declared too. Think Africa... sure, they eventually end up at war, but sometimes this sort of thing is "just another Tuesday" in certain parts of the world.
Reminds me of the movie "Rules of Engagement." Excellent movie (based on a true story) if you haven't seen it already.
The facts will come out, and the conclusion might be quite a bit different than the armchair warlords we have in this discussion thread... (or it might not, but the facts should be the arbiter... not emotions.)
Yes, I suppose that's true, but when I was a kid, bullies either got the best of you or you got the best of them...
Kick the shit out of them. You might lose, but even in a loss you become more trouble to bully than someone who doesn't do anything except cower. And before anyone says "she's a girl"... yeah... I've seen girl fights... I wouldn't want to be in one, that's for sure.:)
I remember spending some time at home because I beat the snot out of someone for pushing me around and bullying. I also remember doing some time at home after another bully kicked the crap out of me for standing up to him. Funny thing was, in both cases, they left me alone after that. It was worth it... and I got to punch the lights out of a bully. Both bullies left the fight remembering it and more importantly remembering not to fuck with me.
So very true. It's like a dysfunctional "Married: With Children" sort of arrangement among the divisions. Sad, really. But that's what happens when monolithic companies do "their thing"... generally speaking the monolith implodes and Jupiter blows up. (I may be mixing metaphors here.... but you get the idea. heh.)
Seems that is the same argument about shopping with Microsoft... Their OS is a DRM dream, their console is a lemon, and so on...
You must not buy much, then. Perhaps you don't even go to Sony Pictures movies either... Because the games division has nothing to do with the sins of the Music/Movie division. The same can't be said for Microsoft's divisions...
I do remember the recent trend of CD mixing that was totally screwing up and clipping the music (even Rush's latest CD "Snakes and Arrows" had that problem, to which Geddy apologized, IIRC.)
I think that trend is a royal pain, because great music is getting clipped because some moron producer thinks "bright and loud" is where it's at. The latest Metallica clips like shit at any respectable volume, and that idiot Ulrich defends the mix (but the Guitar Hero mix is MUCH better.) Not to stray too off topic, I mean.;)
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Irrelevant? Why is it irrelevant? Turning something into partisan politics by associating a Democratic institution (Jim Crow) with the Tea-baggers is neither rational nor logical.
But I see I hit a nerve with you, so I'll keep this above board (something you can't seem to do)... Teddy Roosevelt started his own party too. What's your point? That Democrats can't own up to their past, or that blanket assumptions of "Republicans == party of evil racist white guys" just isn't factual. (It wasn't always so, which was my entire point.) History is never irrelevant.
You may not know it, but you've proven my point... and I thank you.
whatever you say. If it helps you sleep at night to believe I'm some sort of closet tea-party-fanatic... go right ahead. It's not really doing anything to change the first part of this argument:
The democrats were the party of Jim Crow. I know you feel that MSNBC can do no wrong, but the party affiliations mean little in the grand scheme of things, so equating Republicans with something Democrats did just proves my point. You know little if anything about US History. If you aren't an American, I can see that as just a lack of education. If you are American, I can see it's just stupid.
Monopolies themselves are not illegal (at least here in the US they aren't... can't really say for other countries). It's the abuse of monopoly position that is the crime here (what Microsoft did, AT&T, and Standard Oil to name a few.) It's a subtle difference, but one that makes a huge impact on how we view these sorts of things. I really can't see why vertical monopolies are not abuse of monopoly position by their very nature though... admittedly, I don't have much time invested in pondering that one...
I am not a Teabagger. You are under the mistaken impression that because I point out about Jim Crow that somehow I'm a fan of Sarah Palin. You assume too much, I think.
And when they stopped, it became a derogatory term for the protesters. Hence the entire point of this thread. Trying to hide behind a little history, publiclurker has tipped his hand, but refuses to admit it.
I'm not a tea-bagger (in any sense)... I'm a Libertarian, which means I've been having the same frustrations the "teabaggers" seem to only recently been exposed to. In other words, I'm not a Republicrat. Many people think Libertarians are cop-outs and fringe nuts... but I stand behind the concept of a limited federal government that is in line with the Founders. It's pretty simple really... the Federal power-grab has disenfranchised me long before Obama or Sarah Palin.
Indeed, but like other words (fag, gay, etc.) the meaning has become less of an accurate description. And since they don't call themselves that anymore, the only ones left are you dems.
Which is why the first reply to your statement was uttered at all. The "rich white guy" party used to be the Democrats... and these convenient funny little quips about it all disguise the fact that those who still feel Democrats are the "party of the little people" simply forget their own history.
You mentioned Tea Partiers... and there aren't Any Tea Party democrats.... or Republicans...
And Republicans don't call Tea Party protesters "teabaggers".... that's the Democrats. Funny how you don't have to when you color the name of the thing you don't like.
Well said. (in spite of your sig *grin*) The problem with the DC gun ban was that it wasn't a ban, they just created a condition that no gun owner could fulfill. "Must be licensed" and closing the facility that handled the licenses was devious to begin with because the asshats who run DC knew a ban would be overturned based on 2nd Amendment rights.
:)
People who argue the "militia" angle as the "people" meaning the collective cannot reconcile that the 1st amendment has "people" in it and it has been understood (correctly) as "individuals". So all the anti-gun nuts in the Brady Club and all that other nonsense can just plain kiss it.
Keep in mind the Democratic Party at the time was the "Party of Jim Crow"... so take your generalizations elsewhere. Thinking people don't want to hear it.
Joss Wheedon has a secret desire to be beaten up by a hot chick. And dear God, he'd make a "hip" Star Wars and I'd have to take a hostage...
Kinda like how all the Soviets are in dutch prisons for war crimes in Chechnya, or Afghanistan. Or the French for Vietnam.... (they were there first, thank you very much..)
Spare me the one-world harmony blather. When the shoe's on the other foot you'll be singing a different tune, I'll bet.
I did. Tragic accident that shouldn't have been covered up. There.
Hindsight is 20/20... I hate to harp on that... but it is. Hero? Hardly. Unlucky bastard? Pretty much. A flying tank? ever see what an RPG can do to the "flying tank"? Let's put your ass in one and shoot an RPG at it... see how long you believe that the aircraft is invulnerable. I can pretty much tell you how long right now... Up until about 3 milliseconds before the RPG detonates and you're a greasy spot on the tarmac.
you are proceeding from a false premise. You assume because after the fact there were not weapons that they deliberately lied to get permission to fire on known-unarmed civilians. That is unproven and characterizes everything else you say as politically charged nonsense.
Sitting in your cushy chair behind a computer screen surrounded by familiar things makes it easy to discern that fact. Getting into a hot battlefield area in a war zone might make your judgement to be a little less accurate.
You're a fuckwit. Talk about a non-sequitor.
The cover-up is heinous. The actions are not fully understood. Before you rap the judgement hammer, let ALL the facts come forward. Until the WTF is just that. "WTF." Until you fly a mile in their shoes, don't judge how a camera and tripod can be mistaken in a crowd for weapons. So, your assertions, like mine, aren't worth bunk. At least I admit that... you seem to get on the self-righteous horse really easily.
War crimes? Are you fucking mad? Glad to hear your patriotism doesn't get in the way of due process. Give me a break.
If there had been, and the gunship didn't fire, we'd be hearing about a chopper shot out of the sky by insurgents.
Tragic mistake... criminal coverup... nothing to see here... move along.
Sometimes this happens when there is no "war" declared too. Think Africa... sure, they eventually end up at war, but sometimes this sort of thing is "just another Tuesday" in certain parts of the world.
Reminds me of the movie "Rules of Engagement." Excellent movie (based on a true story) if you haven't seen it already.
The facts will come out, and the conclusion might be quite a bit different than the armchair warlords we have in this discussion thread... (or it might not, but the facts should be the arbiter... not emotions.)
Both of you... :)
Sorry, had to be done....
Yes, I suppose that's true, but when I was a kid, bullies either got the best of you or you got the best of them...
:)
Kick the shit out of them. You might lose, but even in a loss you become more trouble to bully than someone who doesn't do anything except cower. And before anyone says "she's a girl"... yeah... I've seen girl fights... I wouldn't want to be in one, that's for sure.
I remember spending some time at home because I beat the snot out of someone for pushing me around and bullying. I also remember doing some time at home after another bully kicked the crap out of me for standing up to him. Funny thing was, in both cases, they left me alone after that. It was worth it... and I got to punch the lights out of a bully. Both bullies left the fight remembering it and more importantly remembering not to fuck with me.
So very true. It's like a dysfunctional "Married: With Children" sort of arrangement among the divisions. Sad, really. But that's what happens when monolithic companies do "their thing"... generally speaking the monolith implodes and Jupiter blows up. (I may be mixing metaphors here.... but you get the idea. heh.)
Seems that is the same argument about shopping with Microsoft... Their OS is a DRM dream, their console is a lemon, and so on...
You must not buy much, then. Perhaps you don't even go to Sony Pictures movies either... Because the games division has nothing to do with the sins of the Music/Movie division. The same can't be said for Microsoft's divisions...
I do remember the recent trend of CD mixing that was totally screwing up and clipping the music (even Rush's latest CD "Snakes and Arrows" had that problem, to which Geddy apologized, IIRC.)
;)
I think that trend is a royal pain, because great music is getting clipped because some moron producer thinks "bright and loud" is where it's at. The latest Metallica clips like shit at any respectable volume, and that idiot Ulrich defends the mix (but the Guitar Hero mix is MUCH better.) Not to stray too off topic, I mean.