Some quotes: So what's the verdict on Null or Bluecurve or whatever it's called? - It may not be good humor, but this _is_ an _attempt_ at humor. A lot of us caught onto that.
The release date was 9-30. Is this is a news site or what? - If it's announced on the day of the release, the flames fly about waiting 'til it propagates to all of the mirrors.
Server Side: 1. The replacement must support Outlook as a client, people actually like Outlook as an integrated client.
ClientSide:
1. Must have a client which supports all the functions of the server side. In short its gotta work like Outlook.
In other words, the client MUST BE OUTLOOK.
...continuing...
2. Must Support OS, and hardware of choice.
I'm a 7 year Linux user and RHCE so I don't consider myself a Linux newbie.
Here's a quick lesson for you, even tho you're not a newbie. Lesson: Debian comes in three flavors. Those three flavors are: stable (potato), testing (woody), unstable (sid).
The install floppies for woody are unlikely to help you with installing unstable. However, you could install woody and then do a dist-upgrade to unstable.
How does Task Manager say 150M is in use? Is it the "Commit Charge" or are you calculating from total physical memory and available physical memory?
On Win2k at the bottom of Task Manger, there's a thing we like to call the Status Bar. It has a field with the text: Mem Usage 150,321KB. It matches the Total value in Commit Charge. No FM to R there, just look at the screen.
What are you using to tally the memory used? My guess is the "Memory Usage" column which corresponds to the working set of the process. However, the real column to look at is "VM Size" which tallies the total allocations for the process.
Obviously, VM Size, I don't know why I didn't look at that "not chosen by default" column. Oh, but it still fell 40MB short of the total. Probably still not the "real" column to look at. There are about 20 more columns that can be viewed, let me know which one is the "real" column.
Don't be so naive as to think only one application is running. There are at least 20 processes running on your average Windows box on startup. You should be able to verify this easily using Task Manager.
See, when a user starts a program it's usually referred to as an "application" and typically shows up in Task Manager under the "Applications" tab. Still with me? Then, when the OS starts a program, or an "application" starts a helper program, those are called "processes". They typically show up on the "Processes" tab of Task Manager. Your FM that you Rd probably didn't cover that, did it?
The difference of 80M is more than likely the difference between the working sets and the total VM size of the processes.
Nope, VM Size was still missing 40MB. Any more guesses? Because, you ARE guessing.
Perhaps you just need to RTFM?
Actually, I do have a copy of the Task Manager User's Guide (who doesn't?). I bought it on Amazon.com, used from somebody who'd never read it. (For those in our audience who are slow, this is a reference to throx who felt that if he/she through a few technical sounding words around it would seem like he/she knew something. Sadly, he/she does not.)
Libraries are counted against a process' memory allocation, as are inproc COM servers and the like.
However, there are some facts at which we should look (using my PIII 800Mhz Dell Laptop with 128MB memory.
1) Task manager says 150MB of system memory are currently in use.
2) Total of MB used in all running processes listed in Task Manager ~ 70MB.
3) Only one application is running, Mozilla ~ 13MB.
What libraries and INPROC Com Servers are we missing? What is Windows hiding? What the FUCK is wasting 80MB of memory?
To truly figure out what's going on we could simply check the Windows Source...
"instead of closing just the debugger window, it closed all of our Mozilla browser windows, as well--definitely not the behavior we expected or wanted."
File->Quit - always (and has always) closed the application. Had they clicked File->Close, only the debugger would have closed. See how the common user interface helps even the most ignorant of newbies. (Well, except you and the reviewer.)
...Not to mention it placed first in only one of the XP Pro tests (mixed text and graphics)
Except that you got it backwards. 100 was the best score. (Didn't you think it was weird that one browser ALWAYS scored a 100?) IE only won once. Mozilla based browsers won the rest.
1) 95/98/ME/NT/2K/XP Which Standard?
2) Windows widgets don't exist on Linux i386, Linux PPC, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, OS/2, Solaris, FreeBSD, Irix, BeOS, HPUX, BSD/OS, etc. However, Mozilla looks the same on all.
90% of PCs run windows.
Another 2% run other OSes that can run IE.
85% of PCs that can run IE, do.
That's not 99%. (~75%)
My numbers are good guesses, but the point is clear.
Your point is still clear, but the exaggeration was not necessary to make it.
It WOULD work perfectly with Mozilla. Sharp is stupidly and ignorantly not allowing Mozilla based browsers.
This story is supposed to be about their new Linux product, but since they are a boneheaded beauracracy(sp?), we can't talk about the new handheld. We can't even read about it.
If patches are released weekly, then shouldn't you be patching your servers that often? Even if you test the patches on another server for a week, you're still doing it weekly, right?
the date Navigator was installed and a unique identification number
Again, no examples given. These values are probably the install date (nothing wrong with that) and version. They imply the "unique" id number is individualized, but they don't actually say it and show NO evidence of it.
Yes, it is a non-issue, here's why:
1. All http requests send your IP address, they are making normal functionality seem sinister.
2. No evidence is given that AOL is collecting the information.
3. The redirect of the search through AOL/Netscape is simply to verify that the search engine is correct. If google were to change their site, the search would still work. However, IE's search would break.
It seems to me that it might just be that AOL/Netscape sends the search info "home" to make sure the search is correct. This way if Google (or any of the other possible search engines) decides to change how searches work, then you browser doesn't break.
Also, all we know is what is sent, not what AOL collects.
And finally, the search in Netscape is NOT sending the IP address of your computer, this is how HTTP connections work. The packet's origin is always included. Netscape 6 is also sending your IP address to every site you visit. As is IE, Opera, Mozilla, etc.
See, here's how it works. A whole bunch of folks post the article. Slashdot editorial staff then adds it to current news.
Are you with me? It's not hard.
If you don't understand, then read on...
If a lots of slashdotters post the article, they must be interested in it. If slashdotters are interested in the story, it should be posted on the site. Even if there is a vocal minority that love to post complaints about the type of news.
You'll also see that Red Hat had 54 vulnerabilities while Windows 2000 had only 42.
It was Windows 2000 and NT and all of RedHat's supported distributions. No Windows XP.
In 2001, RedHat was support 6.0 to 7.2 (6.0,6.1,6.2,7.0,7.1,7.2) That's 6 releases! They have been reporting security issues in all of these. For instance, The enscript (RHSA-2002-012) here can be found under security updates for all those distributions. This is an issue from this year, tho (2002-1-17).
Worst case for MS is a double count on the NT/2k grouping.
BugTraq updated their site to say basically that their grouping methodology is poor and skews the numbers.
Linux (aggr.) has more, but each individual distribution does not. Simply put, if you add up every security issue with every OEM release of Windows (Compaq, Dell, HP, etc.), Windows would aggregate to a much, much higher number. The worst Linux distribution, RedHat, had 95 compared to W2k/NT's 97 (in 2000). And while Redhat was worse in 2001, the Windows numbers don't include XP. (Before you bitch at me about the "single" RedHat vs. the "aggregate" W2k/NT, RedHat had multiple versions out these years.
What is the Linux (aggr.) anyway? The individual distribution numbers don't add up to that aggregate total. Does bugtraq not even know the Linux distros?
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Some quotes:
So what's the verdict on Null or Bluecurve or whatever it's called? - It may not be good humor, but this _is_ an _attempt_ at humor. A lot of us caught onto that.
The release date was 9-30. Is this is a news site or what? - If it's announced on the day of the release, the flames fly about waiting 'til it propagates to all of the mirrors.
I have every single episode of Firefly up through last week's episode downloaded on my PC.
Also, I have upwards of 10 illegal mp3s. (However, they're mixed in with all the legal ones and I don't know if I could find them again.)
Arrest Me! I want my trial! I want my one phone call!
Server Side:
...continuing...
1. The replacement must support Outlook as a client, people actually like Outlook as an integrated client.
ClientSide:
1. Must have a client which supports all the functions of the server side. In short its gotta work like Outlook.
In other words, the client MUST BE OUTLOOK.
2. Must Support OS, and hardware of choice.
In other words, the client CAN NOT BE OUTLOOK.
Interesting...
I'm a 7 year Linux user and RHCE so I don't consider myself a Linux newbie.
Here's a quick lesson for you, even tho you're not a newbie. Lesson:
Debian comes in three flavors. Those three flavors are: stable (potato), testing (woody), unstable (sid).
The install floppies for woody are unlikely to help you with installing unstable. However, you could install woody and then do a dist-upgrade to unstable.
emerge evolution --emptytree
Sure, it'll take a day and a half, but your Evolution install will likely improve. I'm having no problems on my Gentoo box with Evolution 1.0.7
A Linux-based open-source program called Evolution looks pretty much like a standard Windows desktop.
Or, maybe, it resembles an e-mail/groupware application a bit.
Little slip-ups like this show that the author just might not have even looked at Linux at all.
There are existing contracts between MS and AOL about using IE as AOL's default browser.
Nope, the contract expired.
How does Task Manager say 150M is in use? Is it the "Commit Charge" or are you calculating from total physical memory and available physical memory?
On Win2k at the bottom of Task Manger, there's a thing we like to call the Status Bar. It has a field with the text: Mem Usage 150,321KB. It matches the Total value in Commit Charge. No FM to R there, just look at the screen.
What are you using to tally the memory used? My guess is the "Memory Usage" column which corresponds to the working set of the process. However, the real column to look at is "VM Size" which tallies the total allocations for the process.
Obviously, VM Size, I don't know why I didn't look at that "not chosen by default" column. Oh, but it still fell 40MB short of the total. Probably still not the "real" column to look at. There are about 20 more columns that can be viewed, let me know which one is the "real" column.
Don't be so naive as to think only one application is running. There are at least 20 processes running on your average Windows box on startup. You should be able to verify this easily using Task Manager.
See, when a user starts a program it's usually referred to as an "application" and typically shows up in Task Manager under the "Applications" tab. Still with me? Then, when the OS starts a program, or an "application" starts a helper program, those are called "processes". They typically show up on the "Processes" tab of Task Manager. Your FM that you Rd probably didn't cover that, did it?
The difference of 80M is more than likely the difference between the working sets and the total VM size of the processes.
Nope, VM Size was still missing 40MB. Any more guesses? Because, you ARE guessing.
Perhaps you just need to RTFM?
Actually, I do have a copy of the Task Manager User's Guide (who doesn't?). I bought it on Amazon.com, used from somebody who'd never read it. (For those in our audience who are slow, this is a reference to throx who felt that if he/she through a few technical sounding words around it would seem like he/she knew something. Sadly, he/she does not.)
Libraries are counted against a process' memory allocation, as are inproc COM servers and the like.
...
However, there are some facts at which we should look (using my PIII 800Mhz Dell Laptop with 128MB memory.
1) Task manager says 150MB of system memory are currently in use.
2) Total of MB used in all running processes listed in Task Manager ~ 70MB.
3) Only one application is running, Mozilla ~ 13MB.
What libraries and INPROC Com Servers are we missing? What is Windows hiding? What the FUCK is wasting 80MB of memory?
To truly figure out what's going on we could simply check the Windows Source
DOH!
"instead of closing just the debugger window, it closed all of our Mozilla browser windows, as well--definitely not the behavior we expected or wanted."
...Not to mention it placed first in only one of the XP Pro tests (mixed text and graphics)
File->Quit - always (and has always) closed the application. Had they clicked File->Close, only the debugger would have closed. See how the common user interface helps even the most ignorant of newbies. (Well, except you and the reviewer.)
Except that you got it backwards. 100 was the best score. (Didn't you think it was weird that one browser ALWAYS scored a 100?) IE only won once. Mozilla based browsers won the rest.
1) 95/98/ME/NT/2K/XP Which Standard?
2) Windows widgets don't exist on Linux i386, Linux PPC, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, OS/2, Solaris, FreeBSD, Irix, BeOS, HPUX, BSD/OS, etc. However, Mozilla looks the same on all.
90% of PCs run windows.
Another 2% run other OSes that can run IE.
85% of PCs that can run IE, do.
That's not 99%. (~75%)
My numbers are good guesses, but the point is clear.
Your point is still clear, but the exaggeration was not necessary to make it.
When the facts seem to be in your favor, why lie?
Next time, just copy the entire story from the source in here, it'd save you a lot of typing.
Only 300 of the 13,000 victims were Ford customers. Experian is the group that allowed the code used to be stolen.
Blaming Ford is like being accused of murder when somebody steals your credit card, buys a gun with it and kills somebody else.
It WOULD work perfectly with Mozilla. Sharp is stupidly and ignorantly not allowing Mozilla based browsers.
This story is supposed to be about their new Linux product, but since they are a boneheaded beauracracy(sp?), we can't talk about the new handheld. We can't even read about it.
Buy an ipaq and install Linux on it.
If patches are released weekly, then shouldn't you be patching your servers that often? Even if you test the patches on another server for a week, you're still doing it weekly, right?
Are your servers patched?
What's your company's name? Server IPs?
the date Navigator was installed and a unique identification number
Again, no examples given. These values are probably the install date (nothing wrong with that) and version. They imply the "unique" id number is individualized, but they don't actually say it and show NO evidence of it.
This is yellow journalism pure and simple.
Yes, it is a non-issue, here's why:
1. All http requests send your IP address, they are making normal functionality seem sinister.
2. No evidence is given that AOL is collecting the information.
3. The redirect of the search through AOL/Netscape is simply to verify that the search engine is correct. If google were to change their site, the search would still work. However, IE's search would break.
Who wrote this article?
It seems to me that it might just be that AOL/Netscape sends the search info "home" to make sure the search is correct. This way if Google (or any of the other possible search engines) decides to change how searches work, then you browser doesn't break.
Also, all we know is what is sent, not what AOL collects.
And finally, the search in Netscape is NOT sending the IP address of your computer, this is how HTTP connections work. The packet's origin is always included. Netscape 6 is also sending your IP address to every site you visit. As is IE, Opera, Mozilla, etc.
I though my mom would enjoy this story. She's a sappy romantic. So, I e-mailed her.
Her reply:
"When are you going to move out of the house? You're 30 years old for God's sake!"
Crongrats CmdrTaco!
See, here's how it works. A whole bunch of folks post the article. Slashdot editorial staff then adds it to current news.
Are you with me? It's not hard.
If you don't understand, then read on...
If a lots of slashdotters post the article, they must be interested in it. If slashdotters are interested in the story, it should be posted on the site. Even if there is a vocal minority that love to post complaints about the type of news.
Patch: An update to released software to fix problems that should not have been in the released software.
Nightly Build: Latest snapshot of the source code conveniently built for those wanting to test the latest features. Not release quality code.
You'll also see that Red Hat had 54 vulnerabilities while Windows 2000 had only 42.
It was Windows 2000 and NT and all of RedHat's supported distributions. No Windows XP.
In 2001, RedHat was support 6.0 to 7.2 (6.0,6.1,6.2,7.0,7.1,7.2) That's 6 releases! They have been reporting security issues in all of these. For instance, The enscript (RHSA-2002-012) here can be found under security updates for all those distributions. This is an issue from this year, tho (2002-1-17).
Worst case for MS is a double count on the NT/2k grouping.
BugTraq updated their site to say basically that their grouping methodology is poor and skews the numbers.
Linux (aggr.) has more, but each individual distribution does not. Simply put, if you add up every security issue with every OEM release of Windows (Compaq, Dell, HP, etc.), Windows would aggregate to a much, much higher number. The worst Linux distribution, RedHat, had 95 compared to W2k/NT's 97 (in 2000). And while Redhat was worse in 2001, the Windows numbers don't include XP. (Before you bitch at me about the "single" RedHat vs. the "aggregate" W2k/NT, RedHat had multiple versions out these years.
What is the Linux (aggr.) anyway? The individual distribution numbers don't add up to that aggregate total. Does bugtraq not even know the Linux distros?