How about this: They did not redistribute the whole manual. They used a snippet of the manual in an article. This is fair use under copyright law. Because this is fair use, Apple has insufficient legal positioning to request the photo's removal. As such, they're attempting to intimidate Something Awful. That's why this article gets face time.
Fortunately for me, copyright law doesn't matter in the manner I infringe.
In other words, I don't participate in a way that will get me sued. Yes sued. You can't get arrested for copyright infringement, much to the chagrin of copyright abusers. They'd have to identify me as an infringer who is egregious enough to warrant the cost of a lawsuit, then prove that I infringe. Since I'm not terribly egregious (ie: what I 'infringe' by your definition are items that I could, theoretically, have duped myself for personal enjoyment under fair use), I'm pretty sure I won't be marked as egregious.
If you'll go have your date with the health inspector, I'm gonna go play some Zelda.
I assert that downloading is not illegal if I already posess a licensed copy of the game, but I won't debate that.
If I'm guilty of infringement, I can't give a shit. Legal or not, I don't believe that copyright should be binding past ten years - check my past posts, I've got a record of saying five-ten should be the copyright limit, and I do live by that.
Ever read 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' by Robert Heinlein? In that book, the character Bernardo De La Paz states his political 'affiliation', which pretty much sums up how I feel about the law.
"First, these idiots set up an "anti-spam" service whose response to abuse is...abuse."
Not exactly. First, abuse or not, it's my response to spam, not Blue Security's. Just because I have them doing it for me doesn't make it any less my action. Anyone in the Blue Community would agree. Second, it's one-for-one. For each spam from a given spammer, one opt out is sent. The fact that it often ends up in a DoS for that spammer from only the Blue subset of his spam list tells you how much abuse he's doling out himself.
"Second, they use a fraudulent corporate name. (Use Google and search Usenet.)" I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion. Please enlighten.
"Third, they locate themselves on a network also happens to house one of the scummiest spammers on the planet." Spammers collect at the point of cheapest bandwidth. I see no reason this shouldn't be true for an anti-spam business as well.
"Fourth, they decide to redirect an incoming attack at an innocent third party." I'm pretty sure that was erroneous judgement, rather than human-shielding. For example, consider the possibility that the attacker was attacking via IP. The defender's DNS/CN redirect should have left the attack still going after Blue's servers. Unfortunately it didn't.
Meanwhile, I don't know if you've ever watched any horror flicks, but I seem to rememeber that guys with your attitude always seem to be killed off just after the large-breasted slut - usually to the great satisfaction of the audience.
Playing NES games on my GBA requires no recently purchased software. I have an old NES with games I bought in the late 80's/early 90's. I download the corresponding ROMs to those games, place them in PogoShell (an OSS project) and upload them to my GBA's X-ROM cart (a commercial product, but hardware) using a non-open freeware driver for it.
Hold on... you BUY software? Do you work as IT for a company or something?
Seriously, I haven't bought a piece of software in years... Not that I have any commercail software, or anything. I'm all OSS at home, and at work, there is no non OSS user (read: me) installed software either.
Meanwhile, I just bought a sweet used small-form 933MHz Dell to replace my old 500MHz Dell. Not much of a step up, but lets face it: I don't use this thing for gaming.
And the government's job concerning illegal immigrants? I don't believe they should have one. Same for spammers. I prefer to allow market forces to do the work for me.
Anyway, that sort of behavior will almost always get you marked offtopic. Just cos it relates in some vague, hazy way does not make it relevant.
I may be ignorant, but I'd like to see how illegal immigrants are more of a threat to a 'blue-collar' (unskilled labor) job than legal immigrants. Further, I'd like to know why there's such a glut of 'grey-collar' (skilled labor) jobs, yet the 'displaced american workers' don't seem to be getting some training and flocking to them.
Yeah. I'm actually for job market liquidity in the interest of free trade. The initial costs are worker displacement, but the benefits are improved conditions for both countries. Resistance to the process only exacerbates the costs. Got to a damned trade school, get some training, fill in the huge grey gap, make a good hunk more money, and finally, stop your bitching.
Quite right, marxie. In fact, GMail has already quashed the whole debacle. The next step is for the Blue guys to locate the asshat and see if a formal complaint is in order - or better: a class action suit. Harassment is not a way to save your business.
To clear things up: they are running a mass opt-out service, as well as petitioning those who pay spammers to stop. Essentially, the BlueFrog client will, for every spam you report (or comes to a 'honeypot' account that corresponds to an address you requested protection for), the bluefrog client sends an opt-out request. Since the most egregious spammers around send out something in the millions of spams, this CAN have a DoS effect on them - but only if they keep spamming.
The message above did not come from Blue Security or from anyone associated with it (the above 'from' address is one of mine, and I certainly didn't send out something so misguiding); the Blue Security team would never state that their mission is DDoSing anyone; it's not true, but is instead what spammers consider they are doing.
My theory is that the people threatening BlueCommunity members are trying to make some kind of e-mail trail establishing that BlueSecurity is engaged in something illegal. It's a weak tactic; since the spammers must ensure that the mail can't be trailed back to them, they also ensure that the mail can't be tracked back to Blue Security.
Meanwhile, Blue/GMail users already won; this asshat's message is already finding its automatic way to gmail's spam folder. The next thing is to report the guy for harassing e-mail.
Think about that for a moment. Why did you sign up for BlueFrog? Was it 'cos you were getting spam?
Meanwhile, these criminals can get Blue Frog's listcleaner for free. They copy their list and clean the copy. Now they have a list of who is not a bluefrog member.
How hard do you think it is for them to get a list of who is a blue frog member? It's easy to do a dictionary attack in this way.
I'm certain they don't have all the addresses; my gmail account gets this fucker's spam while my wharton address does not. They are both protected, and both on one spam list or another, yet only one gets this guy's impotent threats.
I just got this funny one: <tt> Dies ist eine automatisch erstellte Benachrichtigung +APw-ber den Zustellstatus. +ANw-bermittlung an folgende Empf+AOQ-nger fehlgeschlagen.
dunham@cardse.com
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "BlueFrog member" <bryan@fordi.org> To: <dunham@cardse.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:28:24 +0300 Subject: {Spam?} FW:Join the top-level Israel internet security company
The trackback URL for this blog entry is: http://community.bluesecurity.com/
Bringing spammers to Their Knees: Bluesecurity.com hopes you'll join thousands of others in an army capable of crippling spammers' Web sites.
A few thousand spammers have ruined our internet. They've clogged our mailboxes with filth. Already, 90% of email traffic is made up of spam. Let us no longer blind ourselves to the irrefutable facts: current measures have failed to stop spammers. The experience of the past several years has proven that passive measures are just not the answer.
Retribution is the only real answer to spam. We must punish spammers ourselves to prevent them from taking over cyberspace. We must reclaim our territory. We need direct action to eliminate spammers for good.
The magnitude of the task which lies before us is great. We are fighting for the future of the Internet. What we need to do now is get as many users as possible into our community. We already have a botnet with hundreds of thousands of computers working together to induce commercial loss on spammers and their ISPs. We have launched numerous Denial-of-Service Attacks on Chinese spam networks with great success, and plan many more!
We have excellent financiers who allow us continued success with our botnet growth and Denial-of-Service Attacks. We thank the government agencies involved for their continued cooperation. We thank our leader, Eran Reshef, for continued strategies of DoS attack operations. Also, US-based Rembrandt Ventures & Skybox Security for their extensive funding & continued support. And a very special thanks to Douglas Schrier who has helped our botnet come to life.
If you haven't signed up with the registry and installed a blue frog yet, please sign up now. If your friends have not yet joined us, we will convince them to do so.
Let's stop filtering spam and start eliminating spammers.
Together, we will reclaim the Internet, One ddos at a time.
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T: 650.326.7070 F: 650.326.3780
----- Fight back spam! Join our Botnet today. Download our.EXE here: http://www.bluesecurity.com/blue-frog/ </tt> Is it just me, or is this REALLY weak?
Actually, it seems - strictly from your story - that desperation (addict needing a fix and happening to have a gun) and greed (competing dealer wants your territory) begets violence, which appears to beget self protection (have you ever shot someone out of anything but self-defense?).
I was both addict and dealer back in my late teens. I got out of there damned quick when I saw how dangerous it was (got clipped in the ear during a soured deal - damned lucky I got out alive).
You say you continued to work in an extremely dangerous field for ten years AFTER the world suggested to you that it might be a bad occupation for you, yet you still put that statement out as if it's supposed to validate your little nugget of cliched wisdom.
Seriously, nobody likes violence, but like anything it's a tool, and its use is only as evil as its weilder (shoot a lunatic who has a knife to your wife's throat: good or evil?)
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How about this:
They did not redistribute the whole manual. They used a snippet of the manual in an article. This is fair use under copyright law. Because this is fair use, Apple has insufficient legal positioning to request the photo's removal. As such, they're attempting to intimidate Something Awful. That's why this article gets face time.
Let's see... $1bn spent on a smallish number of creative, innovative humans, or $1bn spent on useless Microsoft drones...
I wonder whose spending will be more effective.
Well, somebody's gotta be the devil's advocate. It's actually quite fortunate that he happens to be an incoherent moron.
"acted negligently and intentionally inflicted emotional distress on the public"
How, exactly, do you intentionally do anything by acting negligently?
*inhales* Wooohooo! Wooop! Woop! Wooohooo! Wooop! Woop! *inhales* Wooohooo! Wooop! Woop! Wooohooo! Wooop! Woop!
Um, yeah. I approve.
None of the above. GP's sig was in german. I attempted to translate with my limited german knowledge, but am pretty sure I've done a piss poor job.
Please translate your sig. From what I can tell it says:
'This computer is not for finger-pokers or assgrabbers. It is not for use by idiots.'
I somehow believe that may be innaccurate.
No, I'm Dick Darlington, and Susan was Jiselle!
Fortunately for me, copyright law doesn't matter in the manner I infringe.
In other words, I don't participate in a way that will get me sued. Yes sued. You can't get arrested for copyright infringement, much to the chagrin of copyright abusers. They'd have to identify me as an infringer who is egregious enough to warrant the cost of a lawsuit, then prove that I infringe. Since I'm not terribly egregious (ie: what I 'infringe' by your definition are items that I could, theoretically, have duped myself for personal enjoyment under fair use), I'm pretty sure I won't be marked as egregious.
If you'll go have your date with the health inspector, I'm gonna go play some Zelda.
Hey, look, a grammar troll.
*stops paying attention*
I assert that downloading is not illegal if I already posess a licensed copy of the game, but I won't debate that.
If I'm guilty of infringement, I can't give a shit. Legal or not, I don't believe that copyright should be binding past ten years - check my past posts, I've got a record of saying five-ten should be the copyright limit, and I do live by that.
Ever read 'The Moon is a Harsh Mistress' by Robert Heinlein? In that book, the character Bernardo De La Paz states his political 'affiliation', which pretty much sums up how I feel about the law.
"First, these idiots set up an "anti-spam" service whose response to abuse is...abuse."
Not exactly. First, abuse or not, it's my response to spam, not Blue Security's. Just because I have them doing it for me doesn't make it any less my action. Anyone in the Blue Community would agree. Second, it's one-for-one. For each spam from a given spammer, one opt out is sent. The fact that it often ends up in a DoS for that spammer from only the Blue subset of his spam list tells you how much abuse he's doling out himself.
"Second, they use a fraudulent corporate name. (Use Google and search Usenet.)"
I'm curious as to how you came to this conclusion. Please enlighten.
"Third, they locate themselves on a network also happens to house one of the scummiest spammers on the planet."
Spammers collect at the point of cheapest bandwidth. I see no reason this shouldn't be true for an anti-spam business as well.
"Fourth, they decide to redirect an incoming attack at an innocent third party."
I'm pretty sure that was erroneous judgement, rather than human-shielding. For example, consider the possibility that the attacker was attacking via IP. The defender's DNS/CN redirect should have left the attack still going after Blue's servers. Unfortunately it didn't.
Meanwhile, I don't know if you've ever watched any horror flicks, but I seem to rememeber that guys with your attitude always seem to be killed off just after the large-breasted slut - usually to the great satisfaction of the audience.
C'mon, would you want to send the guy into hiding before you could get the authorities to string him up, tar and feather him?
*contented sigh*
There ain't no justice like angry mob justice...
Acutally, I haven't bought any in years.
Playing NES games on my GBA requires no recently purchased software. I have an old NES with games I bought in the late 80's/early 90's. I download the corresponding ROMs to those games, place them in PogoShell (an OSS project) and upload them to my GBA's X-ROM cart (a commercial product, but hardware) using a non-open freeware driver for it.
Now, what were you saying, Troll?
A good revamping would be for management to learn what the word 'rediculous' means in the context of the word 'deadline'.
Hold on... you BUY software? Do you work as IT for a company or something?
Seriously, I haven't bought a piece of software in years... Not that I have any commercail software, or anything. I'm all OSS at home, and at work, there is no non OSS user (read: me) installed software either.
Meanwhile, I just bought a sweet used small-form 933MHz Dell to replace my old 500MHz Dell. Not much of a step up, but lets face it: I don't use this thing for gaming.
All I have on this topic is a link.
And the government's job concerning illegal immigrants? I don't believe they should have one. Same for spammers. I prefer to allow market forces to do the work for me.
Anyway, that sort of behavior will almost always get you marked offtopic. Just cos it relates in some vague, hazy way does not make it relevant.
I may be ignorant, but I'd like to see how illegal immigrants are more of a threat to a 'blue-collar' (unskilled labor) job than legal immigrants. Further, I'd like to know why there's such a glut of 'grey-collar' (skilled labor) jobs, yet the 'displaced american workers' don't seem to be getting some training and flocking to them.
Yeah. I'm actually for job market liquidity in the interest of free trade. The initial costs are worker displacement, but the benefits are improved conditions for both countries. Resistance to the process only exacerbates the costs. Got to a damned trade school, get some training, fill in the huge grey gap, make a good hunk more money, and finally, stop your bitching.
ok, I'm really confused as to how this became about illegal immigrants.
Quite right, marxie. In fact, GMail has already quashed the whole debacle. The next step is for the Blue guys to locate the asshat and see if a formal complaint is in order - or better: a class action suit. Harassment is not a way to save your business.
To clear things up: they are running a mass opt-out service, as well as petitioning those who pay spammers to stop. Essentially, the BlueFrog client will, for every spam you report (or comes to a 'honeypot' account that corresponds to an address you requested protection for), the bluefrog client sends an opt-out request. Since the most egregious spammers around send out something in the millions of spams, this CAN have a DoS effect on them - but only if they keep spamming.
The message above did not come from Blue Security or from anyone associated with it (the above 'from' address is one of mine, and I certainly didn't send out something so misguiding); the Blue Security team would never state that their mission is DDoSing anyone; it's not true, but is instead what spammers consider they are doing.
My theory is that the people threatening BlueCommunity members are trying to make some kind of e-mail trail establishing that BlueSecurity is engaged in something illegal. It's a weak tactic; since the spammers must ensure that the mail can't be trailed back to them, they also ensure that the mail can't be tracked back to Blue Security.
Meanwhile, Blue/GMail users already won; this asshat's message is already finding its automatic way to gmail's spam folder. The next thing is to report the guy for harassing e-mail.
Think about that for a moment. Why did you sign up for BlueFrog? Was it 'cos you were getting spam?
Meanwhile, these criminals can get Blue Frog's listcleaner for free. They copy their list and clean the copy. Now they have a list of who is not a bluefrog member.
How hard do you think it is for them to get a list of who is a blue frog member? It's easy to do a dictionary attack in this way.
I'm certain they don't have all the addresses; my gmail account gets this fucker's spam while my wharton address does not. They are both protected, and both on one spam list or another, yet only one gets this guy's impotent threats.
I just got this funny one:
.EXE here: http://www.bluesecurity.com/blue-frog/
<tt>
Dies ist eine automatisch erstellte Benachrichtigung +APw-ber den Zustellstatus.
+ANw-bermittlung an folgende Empf+AOQ-nger fehlgeschlagen.
dunham@cardse.com
Final-Recipient: rfc822;dunham@cardse.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "BlueFrog member" <bryan@fordi.org>
To: <dunham@cardse.com>
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 20:28:24 +0300
Subject: {Spam?} FW:Join the top-level Israel internet security company
The trackback URL for this blog entry is:
http://community.bluesecurity.com/
Bringing spammers to Their Knees:
Bluesecurity.com hopes you'll join thousands of others in an army capable of crippling spammers' Web sites.
A few thousand spammers have ruined our internet. They've clogged our mailboxes with filth. Already, 90% of email traffic is made up of spam. Let us no longer blind ourselves to the irrefutable facts: current measures have failed to stop spammers. The experience of the past several years has proven that passive measures are just not the answer.
Retribution is the only real answer to spam. We must punish spammers ourselves to prevent them from taking over cyberspace. We must reclaim our territory. We need direct action to eliminate spammers for good.
The magnitude of the task which lies before us is great. We are fighting for the future of the Internet. What we need to do now is get as many users as possible into our community. We already have a botnet with
hundreds of thousands of computers working together to induce commercial loss on spammers and their ISPs. We have launched numerous Denial-of-Service Attacks on Chinese spam networks with great success, and plan many more!
We have excellent financiers who allow us continued success with our botnet growth and Denial-of-Service Attacks. We thank the government agencies involved for their continued cooperation. We thank our leader, Eran Reshef, for continued strategies of DoS attack operations. Also, US-based Rembrandt Ventures & Skybox Security for their extensive funding & continued support. And a very special thanks to Douglas Schrier who has helped our botnet come to life.
If you haven't signed up with the registry and installed a blue frog yet, please sign up now.
If your friends have not yet joined us, we will convince them to do so.
Let's stop filtering spam and start eliminating spammers.
Together, we will reclaim the Internet, One ddos at a time.
Please Contact Us for any questions on signup via the following info:
2077 Gateway Place, Suite 550
San Jose, California 95110 USA
Phone: 866-6SKYBOX
Phone: 408 441 8060
Fax: 408 441 8068
Israel HQ:
60 Medinat Hayehudim St.
P.O.Box 4109
Herzliya Pituach 46140 Israel
Phone: +972-9-9545922
Current and potential investor relations:
Rembrandt Venture Partners
2200 Sand Hill Road, Suite 160
Menlo Park, CA 94025
T: 650.326.7070
F: 650.326.3780
-----
Fight back spam! Join our Botnet today.
Download our
</tt>
Is it just me, or is this REALLY weak?
Actually, it seems - strictly from your story - that desperation (addict needing a fix and happening to have a gun) and greed (competing dealer wants your territory) begets violence, which appears to beget self protection (have you ever shot someone out of anything but self-defense?).
I was both addict and dealer back in my late teens. I got out of there damned quick when I saw how dangerous it was (got clipped in the ear during a soured deal - damned lucky I got out alive).
You say you continued to work in an extremely dangerous field for ten years AFTER the world suggested to you that it might be a bad occupation for you, yet you still put that statement out as if it's supposed to validate your little nugget of cliched wisdom.
Seriously, nobody likes violence, but like anything it's a tool, and its use is only as evil as its weilder (shoot a lunatic who has a knife to your wife's throat: good or evil?)