At a minimum, the damage is $500 (the cost to join ADC at a level which is given the seeds) times the number of people who downloaded it. However, the damage is not necessarily all financial. The legal FACT is that copyright infringement opens you up to statutory damages. That's not an opinion, it's statutory law.
The world isn't quite as simple as they made it out in High School with those simple definitions of Fact and Opinion.
Thanks for the tip. I have a degree in philosophy.
Try to be a bit more civil.
This from Mr. "That's a big load of crap, and you know it." Rich.
These days, it doesn't even matter if the issues are obscure or not; members of Congress don't get elected based on the issues at all. They get elected if they happen to live in a district that their party managed to gerrymander well enough to guarantee them a seat. The number of competitive congressional districts is just depressing. In most of the districts around here, only one party even bothers to run a candidate at all. Do you think my Democratic representative or the Republican in the next district over cares about what his constituents think, when he was elected with 99% of the vote? Especially when they can make the convincing argument in the primaries that replacing them with another member of the same party will just cut down on the amount of federal spending in the district because the new guy won't have seniority?
You can have an opinion, and others can think you're wrong. That's why it's an opinion.
How the hell is his arguing against your opinion any different than you arguing against his? Trying to pass off his comments as trying to deny you the right to an opinion is hypocritical and it makes you look like a crybaby.
No, I'm not saying it's worth it. I'm only countering the argument that punishment is not effective.
I don't think it's worth it, or even morally defensible, to throw someone in prison for smoking pot, either. That doesn't mean I don't think it's an effective deterrant, even if some people still smoke pot.
As for his ability to defend himself, I don't see how that's relevant. Should they only sue people who can defend themselves? If a homeless guy murders you, should he just be released because it wouldn't be fair for an experienced DA to prosecute him if he can't afford to hire a really good lawyer? It's a non sequitur.
And this is why the seeds are only supposed to be available to developers who are willing to pay for a higher level of ADC membership.
It would be very sad if this lead Apple to stop trusting small developers, and started only giving pre-release software to heavily screened big corporate developers. Adobe and Microsoft would still be able to make sure their software would run on Tiger, and the small developers would be screwed.
Remember, the purpose of ADC seeding isn't to create hype for a new OS release, it's to let developers get their software ready to be working when the new OS comes out. If they wanted to create hype, they wouldn't make everyone who gets the software sign an NDA.
No one's claiming that punishment will, should, or could possibly be expected to completely eliminate any crime.
It's probably reasonable to think that more people would kill or rape others if there was no punishment. It's probably also reasonable to think that at least some people don't smoke pot because it's illegal to do so. None of this means that any particular punishment for a particular crime is just (I'd hope that most people wouldn't consider rape and murder to be on the same level as drug possession, morally, but that's irrelevant). The point is that it's fallacious to claim that punishment has no effect based on the continued existence of a crime.
Whatever the moral status, if one person who would have pirated software otherwise is stopped by the thought that they could be sued, it's effective, even if another person isn't affected. The world isn't black and white.
Right. I normally just expect my 2 HP printers and scanner, Lacie hard drive, Wacom tablet, Logitech mouse, and Palm pilot to not work with my Mac. I'm shocked every time one of these non-Apple peripherals works right.
The only Apple peripheral I use at all is the keyboard that came with the machine. You're an idiot.
I don't think the iPod really has the functionality to consider it a part of the handheld market.
I certainly don't consider my iPod to be a replacement for my Palm, and anyone who buys a Palm just be be able to do the stuff an iPod can do is kind of foolish. At the very least, the ability to add new address book and calendar records seems to be part of the essential function of a PDA.
Well, since Earth is having trouble keeping the huge sheets of ice at the poles intact, while Mars has ice in the tropics, it's not hard to se that gloabl warming on Earth to make it more like Venus would be bad, while global warming on Mars to make it more like Earth would be good, at least as far as the ability for humans to survive is concerned.
Of course, I think the distance from the Sun seems like a much bigger barrier to getting Mars to be warm enough to be habitable than the atmosphere. I'd think even with a Venus-like atmosphere it would take a damn long time for enough energy to get trapped to warm it up to an Earthlike temperature. And that's after the amount of time it would take to actually change the atmosphere that much.
By your definition, nothing is "secure" and the word is meaningless.
You could build a fortress out a 20 foot thick lead walls, and it wouldn't be "secure" because someone could shoot you on the street outside on your way there.
Transmitting the same binary signal over and over seems unlikely to impress anyone. You're as likely to be sending a really boring all-white image as a really big prime number.
If anything, anyone receiving the signal will wonder how you managed to build such a powerful transmitter when you haven't discovered binary numbers yet and are apparently using some sort of unary mathematics that really shouldn't work. They're bound to be disappointed when they find out you actually know about "0", but just weren't using it.
No, but if your car, TV, and woman all have GPS units that you can track implanted in them, the fact that I have your car on my property doesn't mean you're violating my rights if you track it there.
(before you open your mouth and say Google, think - google won't catch the dupes within a couple of days of posting, only the older ones)
Really? Then how come I can find this particular story on news.google.com, and it was posted an hour ago? And if the editors can't catch dupes that are still on the front page, there's not much hope for them at all.
Yes. We should all write blog entries about the BBC story, and then submit Slashdot stories about our individual blog entries. They won't be dupes of this story, because it's about the BBC article, not the blog entries themselves or the original piece on EFF's site.
And then some metablogger can write about all the interest this story is generating on blogs, and someone can submit a slashdot story about that, too.
ALl of ed's commands are single letters. What could be easy to remember than a single letter?
a appends text. c changes lines. Simple!
And the error reporting is second to none! If your command contains an error, ed helpfully prints "?" to your terminal. No memorizing what 200 different error messages mean, all you need to remember is "?". Isn't ed great?
They're allowed to monitor whether you're legally running their software. They're not allowed to spy on you in any other way, regardless of whether it's Microsoft or "any fly-by-night company" doing it. Not only isn't the slope slipperly, there isn't even a slope here.
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The world isn't quite as simple as they made it out in High School with those simple definitions of Fact and Opinion.
Thanks for the tip. I have a degree in philosophy.
Try to be a bit more civil.
This from Mr. "That's a big load of crap, and you know it." Rich.
These days, it doesn't even matter if the issues are obscure or not; members of Congress don't get elected based on the issues at all. They get elected if they happen to live in a district that their party managed to gerrymander well enough to guarantee them a seat. The number of competitive congressional districts is just depressing. In most of the districts around here, only one party even bothers to run a candidate at all. Do you think my Democratic representative or the Republican in the next district over cares about what his constituents think, when he was elected with 99% of the vote? Especially when they can make the convincing argument in the primaries that replacing them with another member of the same party will just cut down on the amount of federal spending in the district because the new guy won't have seniority?
"But your honor, the 1st Amendment protects my right to say 'Hey buddy, give me a thousand bucks or I'll burn down your house' to anyone I want."
How the hell is his arguing against your opinion any different than you arguing against his? Trying to pass off his comments as trying to deny you the right to an opinion is hypocritical and it makes you look like a crybaby.
I don't think it's worth it, or even morally defensible, to throw someone in prison for smoking pot, either. That doesn't mean I don't think it's an effective deterrant, even if some people still smoke pot.
As for his ability to defend himself, I don't see how that's relevant. Should they only sue people who can defend themselves? If a homeless guy murders you, should he just be released because it wouldn't be fair for an experienced DA to prosecute him if he can't afford to hire a really good lawyer? It's a non sequitur.
It would be very sad if this lead Apple to stop trusting small developers, and started only giving pre-release software to heavily screened big corporate developers. Adobe and Microsoft would still be able to make sure their software would run on Tiger, and the small developers would be screwed.
Remember, the purpose of ADC seeding isn't to create hype for a new OS release, it's to let developers get their software ready to be working when the new OS comes out. If they wanted to create hype, they wouldn't make everyone who gets the software sign an NDA.
Have you SEEN the full text of HIPAA? Who's going to bother to read that? It's loaded with "lawyer gibberish declaring one thing or another."
It's probably reasonable to think that more people would kill or rape others if there was no punishment. It's probably also reasonable to think that at least some people don't smoke pot because it's illegal to do so. None of this means that any particular punishment for a particular crime is just (I'd hope that most people wouldn't consider rape and murder to be on the same level as drug possession, morally, but that's irrelevant). The point is that it's fallacious to claim that punishment has no effect based on the continued existence of a crime.
Whatever the moral status, if one person who would have pirated software otherwise is stopped by the thought that they could be sued, it's effective, even if another person isn't affected. The world isn't black and white.
Do you honestly believe that if murder and rape were universally unpunished that there wouldn't be a lot more murder and rape?
The only Apple peripheral I use at all is the keyboard that came with the machine. You're an idiot.
I certainly don't consider my iPod to be a replacement for my Palm, and anyone who buys a Palm just be be able to do the stuff an iPod can do is kind of foolish. At the very least, the ability to add new address book and calendar records seems to be part of the essential function of a PDA.
Of course, I think the distance from the Sun seems like a much bigger barrier to getting Mars to be warm enough to be habitable than the atmosphere. I'd think even with a Venus-like atmosphere it would take a damn long time for enough energy to get trapped to warm it up to an Earthlike temperature. And that's after the amount of time it would take to actually change the atmosphere that much.
No, they're not.
Forward the URL to the Secret Service. You may have found a way to get an annoying advertiser some serious time in federal prison.
Considering most of the stories there get posted to /. too, I really see no reason to ever visit MacSlash again.
No, that's even better. It prevents you from accidentally not boycotting the stupid site that's using them.
You could build a fortress out a 20 foot thick lead walls, and it wouldn't be "secure" because someone could shoot you on the street outside on your way there.
Umm, yes, a printed book from 1992 is dated. But the version that was last updated 2 and a half months ago is slightly less dated.
If anything, anyone receiving the signal will wonder how you managed to build such a powerful transmitter when you haven't discovered binary numbers yet and are apparently using some sort of unary mathematics that really shouldn't work. They're bound to be disappointed when they find out you actually know about "0", but just weren't using it.
No, but if your car, TV, and woman all have GPS units that you can track implanted in them, the fact that I have your car on my property doesn't mean you're violating my rights if you track it there.
Really? Then how come I can find this particular story on news.google.com, and it was posted an hour ago? And if the editors can't catch dupes that are still on the front page, there's not much hope for them at all.
And then some metablogger can write about all the interest this story is generating on blogs, and someone can submit a slashdot story about that, too.
ALl of ed's commands are single letters. What could be easy to remember than a single letter?
a appends text. c changes lines. Simple!
And the error reporting is second to none! If your command contains an error, ed helpfully prints "?" to your terminal. No memorizing what 200 different error messages mean, all you need to remember is "?". Isn't ed great?
They're allowed to monitor whether you're legally running their software. They're not allowed to spy on you in any other way, regardless of whether it's Microsoft or "any fly-by-night company" doing it. Not only isn't the slope slipperly, there isn't even a slope here.
"We sue IBM, so you don't have to!"