My dad brought home an IBM 5100 a few times from work for the weekend for us to fool with. It had a cool version of Star Trek on it. It also had a BASIC program that made the line printer print a pattern that played out the William Tell Overture with the sound of the printing.
Back in 1976 it was a cool machine. It had the APL/BASIC switch on it, too. They were available in a single language version, too.
$10,000 was a lot of money back then.
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Actually, Bell Labs UNIX as a document publishing system. Think ROFF, which evolved into TROFF and was GNU-ized into GROFF. It was never intended when first being developed to be for 'next generation telecommunications systems.' It certainly wasn't reliable enough for that until years after it was first developed. Furthermore, it was developed by a few individuals at Bell Labs, in a fairly unofficial project, running on an Old little-used DEC machine.
And children should stop dreaming of being a famous doctor, or becoming a movie star.
Yeah. It's all a rip-off. Kids should be told over and over again 'You'll never amount to much. You may as well take a job down at the car wash and smoke dope for fun. This is as good as it gets.'
I purchased BeOS back in the day and still have the boxed set. I am interested in installing it on PPC. I have some great Power Macs that it would be super on. Will this install on them?
Shitting in your back yard is okay. But if you have a septic system, don't let your idiot wife flush her tampons. We had that problem here for awhile, and used tampons started backflooding into the sump pump. It was NOT a good discussion topic to have to raise....
The 'racist garbage' is placing the native Americans on a pedestal, making "noble savages" out of them.
The fossil record speaks for itself. There were horses on the North American continent. They were driven extinct shortly after Man arrived on the continent.
If you're worried about deforestation and you're an American, you should be working on re-forestation, not meddling around in someone else's region of the world. We in the US deforested huge regions of our country over the last two hundred years. It's easier to say that people elsewhere shouldn't be allowed to do the same thing as we did. It's more difficult, but more honest, to start replanting trees. Let's start with, say the entire state of Indiana. It should all be reforested.
Not as politically attractive a 'campaign' as pushing around the brown people in the rain forest, of course...
The question I have to ask, and maybe I am being skeptical, is 'what happens next?' I see that they've shut down the company web page, and there's downloadable code available on a sourceforge page. I don't see any links on the sourceforge page for anybody involved in an ongoing project. Does that sort of thing 'grow' out of the code eventually? How?
'Openness' has historically not been a priority for China. With their populatation, a closed market for computers and computer software will work fine. They have many smart software developers. They can take any GPL'd code they want and do whatever they want with it. Do you really think anybody is going to stop them when they do?
What you should have, is a huge fileserver, something like your personal TV or radio station, at a reasonable price. Something that wouldn't count towards your Internet quotas. That'd be a hit, if only you could get the content there. Served "locally" by your ISP.
Ironically, Earthlink recently did what is effectively the reverse. They imposed volume caps on their Usenet servers. Basically, you can download x Gigs per month of binary content off in-house Usenet servers, then your connection to the servers is severely capped for the rest of the month.
Any determined Usenet binary enthusiast is just going to subscribe to a third-party Usenet server, and now instead of consuming essentially 'free' for Earthlink to provide, they're going to be consuming huge amounts of bandwidth travelling off the Earthlink network, which is going to likely cost Earthlink MORE to provide to said enthusiast.
Let's be real here. The 'fair use' rights that so many people here cite were hammered out in an era when the way people excercized their 'fair use' rights was by putting a record on the spindle and making an analog copy of it using a reel to reel or cassette deck. That still remains within the realm of possibilities. There is no inherent 'fair use' right that dictates that a media publisher must publish their work in a format that makes it convenient for you to excercize your fair use rights. The whole precedent people champion today was tested and determined in an era when people thought nothing of using the analog line out, or even aligator clipping on to the speakers (the way my father did it back in the early 70's on his old Columbia console stereo).
Point a camera at the screen of your DRM-protected television/video monitor, use line out or point bloody microphones at the speakers to get audio. That is what 'fair use' entitles you to, and nothing more.
Very few of the so-called "no-pagans" actually worship any deity at all. They worship sex lives, their social standing in their chosen subculture, the 1960's, and a multitude of other things (including, sometimes, the neo-pagan subculture they belong to, which is often confused with the deity), but not the deity himself (themselves if you're into the polytheism thing).
Then again, it's all just in fun anyways, so no big deal.
The fossil evidence shows that before Man arrived on the North American continent there were indigenous horses. The fossil record of said horses ends a bit after the first immigrants to America, the 'Native Americans,' arrived. Rather than train the horses as draft and riding animals and companions, they hunted and ate them to extinction.
Sure. You can go over to a friend's house when you want to watch the Emmys. Nobody is (yet) advocating the forced imposition of a software regime on anybody. Though there are a significant number of anti-democratic 'Open Source Only' mandates working through goverments worldwide....
Just to flesh out your assertion, which I strongly agree with: Goodwin's Law refers to week, month, even year long Usenet discussion threads. On slashdot discussion threads are inherently terminated within a few days, if not by participants giving up, merely by the particular article's comment body being frozen and no further comments being possible. Goodwin's law is completely irrelevant in this kind of forum. "Malda's Law" kicks in way, waaaay before Goodwin would even be applicable.
Let's be real here. The 'fair use' rights that so many people here cite were hammered out in an era when the way people excercized their 'fair use' rights was by putting a record on the spindle and making an analog copy of it using a reel to reel or cassette deck. That still remains within the realm of possibilities. There is no inherent 'fair use' right that dictates that a media publisher must publish their work in a format that makes it convenient for you to excercize your fair use rights. The whole precedent people champion today was tested and determined in an era when people thought nothing of using the analog line out, or even aligator clipping on to the speakers (the way my father did it back in the early 70's on his old Columbia console stereo).
Point a camera at the screen of your DRM-protected television/video monitor, use line out or point bloody microphones at the speakers to get audio. That is what 'fair use' entitles you to, and nothing more.
So if it's the better system, why does it take strict government edict, enforced standards, and strict laws to force it on the people?
And what is the 'meter' based on again? Someone's flawed estimate of the radius of the earth, from back in the era of the Marquis DeSade and the other detris of the 'French Revolution'?
I go to a lot of auctions. A lot of surplus computer equipment appears at said auctions. Lately I've been to a few auctions where all, and I mean ALL, of the 'PC' equipment gets bought up. Then I get to pick and choose what Apple equipment I want, because nobody is gonna bid on it. I would estimate that in my personal experience 80% of the old Apple equipment ends up in the landfill, and 20% of the old PC equipment. Just my personal observation based on the recent market, though.
I love it, personally, because I've been getting into old Apple gear, running NetBSD on some of it. I got a whole pallet of Power Mac 75xx boxes for a dollar a few months ago, along with a pallet of monitors and keyboards for the same price. Lots of them had 64 meg SIMMs in them, so now I've got one hell of a 7500 box.
It's gotta hurt at the recycling center, because there's a hell of a lot of plastic in all those Macs. If all the machines hitting the bottom of the dumpster from the auction place I frequent are even being recycled....
Apple has 'historically' dumped their machines (in the classic monopoly term of the word 'dumping') in the Academic market. People really put down Microsoft for doing the same thing with their software and development tools. When Apple does it, it becomes a 'bullet point' about how they 'came in with the best price/performance' on a marketing brochure (actually a long, tedious series of marketing brochures which will now trumpet 'fast, screaming supercomputer' to all the world.)
while the rest of us get on with business and earn circles around you.
Ah, just a spot of class warfare, plus a dab of 'we don't need no steenkin' geeks! we strive and succeed, by using a storebought machine like an appliance.' Mostly it seems like it's management types who get all huffy and snide and put down an 'under the hood' interest in computers.
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My dad brought home an IBM 5100 a few times from work for the weekend for us to fool with. It had a cool version of Star Trek on it. It also had a BASIC program that made the line printer print a pattern that played out the William Tell Overture with the sound of the printing.
Back in 1976 it was a cool machine. It had the APL/BASIC switch on it, too. They were available in a single language version, too.
$10,000 was a lot of money back then.
Actually, Bell Labs UNIX as a document publishing system. Think ROFF, which evolved into TROFF and was GNU-ized into GROFF. It was never intended when first being developed to be for 'next generation telecommunications systems.' It certainly wasn't reliable enough for that until years after it was first developed. Furthermore, it was developed by a few individuals at Bell Labs, in a fairly unofficial project, running on an Old little-used DEC machine.
And the lottery rips people off, too.
And children should stop dreaming of being a famous doctor, or becoming a movie star.
Yeah. It's all a rip-off. Kids should be told over and over again 'You'll never amount to much. You may as well take a job down at the car wash and smoke dope for fun. This is as good as it gets.'
I purchased BeOS back in the day and still have the boxed set. I am interested in installing it on PPC. I have some great Power Macs that it would be super on. Will this install on them?
Shitting in your back yard is okay. But if you have a septic system, don't let your idiot wife flush her tampons. We had that problem here for awhile, and used tampons started backflooding into the sump pump. It was NOT a good discussion topic to have to raise....
The 'racist garbage' is placing the native Americans on a pedestal, making "noble savages" out of them.
The fossil record speaks for itself. There were horses on the North American continent. They were driven extinct shortly after Man arrived on the continent.
If you're worried about deforestation and you're an American, you should be working on re-forestation, not meddling around in someone else's region of the world. We in the US deforested huge regions of our country over the last two hundred years. It's easier to say that people elsewhere shouldn't be allowed to do the same thing as we did. It's more difficult, but more honest, to start replanting trees. Let's start with, say the entire state of Indiana. It should all be reforested.
Not as politically attractive a 'campaign' as pushing around the brown people in the rain forest, of course...
The question I have to ask, and maybe I am being skeptical, is 'what happens next?' I see that they've shut down the company web page, and there's downloadable code available on a sourceforge page. I don't see any links on the sourceforge page for anybody involved in an ongoing project. Does that sort of thing 'grow' out of the code eventually? How?
'Openness' has historically not been a priority for China. With their populatation, a closed market for computers and computer software will work fine. They have many smart software developers. They can take any GPL'd code they want and do whatever they want with it. Do you really think anybody is going to stop them when they do?
What you should have, is a huge fileserver, something like your personal TV or radio station, at a reasonable price. Something that wouldn't count towards your Internet quotas. That'd be a hit, if only you could get the content there. Served "locally" by your ISP.
Ironically, Earthlink recently did what is effectively the reverse. They imposed volume caps on their Usenet servers. Basically, you can download x Gigs per month of binary content off in-house Usenet servers, then your connection to the servers is severely capped for the rest of the month.
Any determined Usenet binary enthusiast is just going to subscribe to a third-party Usenet server, and now instead of consuming essentially 'free' for Earthlink to provide, they're going to be consuming huge amounts of bandwidth travelling off the Earthlink network, which is going to likely cost Earthlink MORE to provide to said enthusiast.
What you typed there almost implies you feel we should stop paying artists.
Gaiman has little or no experience in 'cubicle farm' culture. He writes about what he can relate to.
No, reading a few books of 'Dilbert' comix wouldn't help him come up to speed.
doggone it. 'neo-pagans.'
Let's be real here. The 'fair use' rights that so many people here cite were hammered out in an era when the way people excercized their 'fair use' rights was by putting a record on the spindle and making an analog copy of it using a reel to reel or cassette deck. That still remains within the realm of possibilities. There is no inherent 'fair use' right that dictates that a media publisher must publish their work in a format that makes it convenient for you to excercize your fair use rights. The whole precedent people champion today was tested and determined in an era when people thought nothing of using the analog line out, or even aligator clipping on to the speakers (the way my father did it back in the early 70's on his old Columbia console stereo).
Point a camera at the screen of your DRM-protected television/video monitor, use line out or point bloody microphones at the speakers to get audio. That is what 'fair use' entitles you to, and nothing more.
Then again, it's all just in fun anyways, so no big deal.
The fossil evidence shows that before Man arrived on the North American continent there were indigenous horses. The fossil record of said horses ends a bit after the first immigrants to America, the 'Native Americans,' arrived. Rather than train the horses as draft and riding animals and companions, they hunted and ate them to extinction.
So much for the 'ecological native Americans.'
Sure. You can go over to a friend's house when you want to watch the Emmys. Nobody is (yet) advocating the forced imposition of a software regime on anybody. Though there are a significant number of anti-democratic 'Open Source Only' mandates working through goverments worldwide....
Just to flesh out your assertion, which I strongly agree with: Goodwin's Law refers to week, month, even year long Usenet discussion threads. On slashdot discussion threads are inherently terminated within a few days, if not by participants giving up, merely by the particular article's comment body being frozen and no further comments being possible. Goodwin's law is completely irrelevant in this kind of forum. "Malda's Law" kicks in way, waaaay before Goodwin would even be applicable.
I could ask YOU to think before you post, instead of engaging in knee-jerk stereotyping of everybody who disagrees with you.
Sheesh. You pretend to be so open minded.
Let's be real here. The 'fair use' rights that so many people here cite were hammered out in an era when the way people excercized their 'fair use' rights was by putting a record on the spindle and making an analog copy of it using a reel to reel or cassette deck. That still remains within the realm of possibilities. There is no inherent 'fair use' right that dictates that a media publisher must publish their work in a format that makes it convenient for you to excercize your fair use rights. The whole precedent people champion today was tested and determined in an era when people thought nothing of using the analog line out, or even aligator clipping on to the speakers (the way my father did it back in the early 70's on his old Columbia console stereo).
Point a camera at the screen of your DRM-protected television/video monitor, use line out or point bloody microphones at the speakers to get audio. That is what 'fair use' entitles you to, and nothing more.
Eeek! A Metric System flamefest.
So if it's the better system, why does it take strict government edict, enforced standards, and strict laws to force it on the people?
And what is the 'meter' based on again? Someone's flawed estimate of the radius of the earth, from back in the era of the Marquis DeSade and the other detris of the 'French Revolution'?
Tell that to the online sex toys site selling the 'Altivec' butt plugs.
I go to a lot of auctions. A lot of surplus computer equipment appears at said auctions. Lately I've been to a few auctions where all, and I mean ALL, of the 'PC' equipment gets bought up. Then I get to pick and choose what Apple equipment I want, because nobody is gonna bid on it. I would estimate that in my personal experience 80% of the old Apple equipment ends up in the landfill, and 20% of the old PC equipment. Just my personal observation based on the recent market, though.
I love it, personally, because I've been getting into old Apple gear, running NetBSD on some of it. I got a whole pallet of Power Mac 75xx boxes for a dollar a few months ago, along with a pallet of monitors and keyboards for the same price. Lots of them had 64 meg SIMMs in them, so now I've got one hell of a 7500 box.
It's gotta hurt at the recycling center, because there's a hell of a lot of plastic in all those Macs. If all the machines hitting the bottom of the dumpster from the auction place I frequent are even being recycled....
Apple has 'historically' dumped their machines (in the classic monopoly term of the word 'dumping') in the Academic market. People really put down Microsoft for doing the same thing with their software and development tools. When Apple does it, it becomes a 'bullet point' about how they 'came in with the best price/performance' on a marketing brochure (actually a long, tedious series of marketing brochures which will now trumpet 'fast, screaming supercomputer' to all the world.)
while the rest of us get on with business and earn circles around you.
Ah, just a spot of class warfare, plus a dab of 'we don't need no steenkin' geeks! we strive and succeed, by using a storebought machine like an appliance.' Mostly it seems like it's management types who get all huffy and snide and put down an 'under the hood' interest in computers.