XP takes about 1.5 GB of hard drive space. Vista takes somewhere between 8 and 11 GB.
Thats somewhere between 5.3 - 7.3 times as big as XP for something that offers practically identical functionality in the user space!
So what the heck takes up all that extra space?? It seems especially odd given Vista is clearly just XP with a few tweaks and addons, such as a new gui and a few extra unwanted crapware apps like UAC and DRM (that can't really be that big) but it brings nothing really new to the party as far as I can see.
Obviously you haven't tried playing a DVD under vista yet. Oh wait... you can't because Vista will only allow that if you video card and monitor supports HDCP. There are still hardly any monitors that support HDCP on the market.
>> Newer games will run faster on Vista than XP.
Not true. THere are many benchmarks out there already that show vista can cost upto a 20% hit on performance/framerates even newer games like Crysis. Check all then gaming enthusiast sites. Also check the 3dMark06 benchmark scores posted just about everywhere on the net.
>> "They have made this a religious and highly political debate," Tsilas said. "They are doing this because it is advancing their business model...."....and of course Microsoft are just the innocent victim who weren't doing exactly the same at all, no sir.
It seems obvious that people could just register fake accounts with different details just to access info their real profile won't give them access to.
woops just realised this probably doesn't fit into being a console. In which case, I'll change my vote to Atari 2600. Man I wasted so many hours on that thing playing Adventure.
Flaws and security vulnerabilities are not the same thing. Vista may not have as many security vulnerabilities as XP when it launched, but it certainly has more flaws. One of which is reduced usability.
Thats funny. I remember how Gates screwed over everyone he could when he was in charge of Microsoft. Can anyone imagine Steve Ballmer giving a shit about helping poor people? Microsoft don't even care about individual customers if they're not a corporate entity.
>> Now consumers are getting their wish, and the music industry will continue to crumble. Giving up control of content and giving it away free are not rational ideas in a market economy, yet everyone's cheering.
Boo hoo. My heart bleeds. Finally an end to a ridiculous monopoly that has lost all sight of musical talent. Hopefully the music and bands that don't just conform to mass-marketing formulas will finally also get some airplay.
The music industry needs to realise that most of us are looking for better music than Britney f'ing Spears or whoever is the current industry-manufactured talentless whiner that needs protools to even sound good that they're pushing on the kids this week.
Maybe if they stopped being so formulaic and decided who gets contracts based musical talent instead of physical appearance and image-marketability then the silent majority might actually be interested enough to buy some. I mean when you're listening to a CD, who gives a crap what the singer looks like?
>> with a better grasp of science these people will be better informed citizens.
No, these people are a threat and exactly the type of people the US government are trying to stamp out. What most governments are working hard at is to turn the whole of society into sheeplike ill-informed taxpayers that fill their days with harmless trivia (paris hilton, religion, consumerism, etc) as they are the easiest to control.
Everyone here is posting how to hack around it or whatever. The real solution is to refuse to accept working like this in the first place. What are we, men or mice?
as a consumer, the whole notion that the thing I paid good money for includes the purchase of compnents whose only purpose is to artificially cripple the rest abhors me.
My CS AI prof at University of Reading had done this about 15 years ago, following the tube train fire at Kings Cross, London. He created a model of the station and passengers, programmed only about 6 simple rules into the movenent of each passenger, and found that the model pretty accurately recreated where they found the actual bodies in the station.
They need to make more films available using streaming. Most if not all of the 6000 movies available are really old or the least popular. Also they REALLY need to get away from IE-only technology.
>>> He reasons that if reality was to do something that information processing cannot, then it cannot be virtual."
I guess the problem is to identify what that thing is, given everything we understand such as logic, math, and physics in order to allow us to reason about things are based on laws inherent in whatever model forms our virtual existence. Perhaps the laws (if any) that govern the 'real' reality are different to ours, infinitely more complex, simple, or not even constant. There's not really any reason I can see that they necessarily have to be the same, or are even likely to be the same. Consequently our reasoning about 'real' reality based on our rules wouldn't even make sense.
>> figure out when you were frustrated. It could then offer to pair you up with someone else doing exactly the same thing who might be able to help you out.
To be honest I would find this 'feature' very frustrating in itself. Its just apparently another way for Microsoft to shrug-off their bad UI designs and duties by putting it on the shoulders of other users instead.
It seems to be human nature to want to try and quantify, classify and plan everything, however some things (like research) can't be effectively estimated beforehand because of the unknowns. Try explaining that to a project manager though. Whilst I agree with trying to keep to a plan, by being so hardline this guy just sounds like yet another clueless project manager who think the people that actually do the work (engineers and scientists) are purposely trying to go over budget at any opportunity if it wasn't for him.
You know what? I wouldn't mind the RIAA protecting upto 5 year-old music. I can see that everyone has to make money somehow. However if after 5 years we can do what we like with that is a fair compromise to all.
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XP takes about 1.5 GB of hard drive space. Vista takes somewhere between 8 and 11 GB.
Thats somewhere between 5.3 - 7.3 times as big as XP for something that offers practically identical functionality in the user space!
So what the heck takes up all that extra space?? It seems especially odd given Vista is clearly just XP with a few tweaks and addons, such as a new gui and a few extra unwanted crapware apps like UAC and DRM (that can't really be that big) but it brings nothing really new to the party as far as I can see.
Obviously you haven't tried playing a DVD under vista yet. Oh wait... you can't because Vista will only allow that if you video card and monitor supports HDCP. There are still hardly any monitors that support HDCP on the market.
>> Newer games will run faster on Vista than XP.
Not true. THere are many benchmarks out there already that show vista can cost upto a 20% hit on performance/framerates even newer games like Crysis. Check all then gaming enthusiast sites. Also check the 3dMark06 benchmark scores posted just about everywhere on the net.
>> "They have made this a religious and highly political debate," Tsilas said. "They are doing this because it is advancing their business model...." ....and of course Microsoft are just the innocent victim who weren't doing exactly the same at all, no sir.
umm none actually. Its the labels that are suing for their damages, not those of the artist.
We have a wiki. It works very well for us.
It seems obvious that people could just register fake accounts with different details just to access info their real profile won't give them access to.
woops just realised this probably doesn't fit into being a console.
In which case, I'll change my vote to Atari 2600.
Man I wasted so many hours on that thing playing Adventure.
No contest.
Well, except probably the Amiga a few years later.
until the SDK was released, then its already out there to be used.
Now Apple will just change the key before release and keep the iPhone locked down.
...and that 'blame someone else' thinking is the whole problem.
If I buy an MS windows upgrade CD I most definately am Microsoft's customer.
Flaws and security vulnerabilities are not the same thing.
Vista may not have as many security vulnerabilities as XP when it launched, but it certainly has more flaws. One of which is reduced usability.
Thats funny. I remember how Gates screwed over everyone he could when he was in charge of Microsoft. Can anyone imagine Steve Ballmer giving a shit about helping poor people? Microsoft don't even care about individual customers if they're not a corporate entity.
>> Now consumers are getting their wish, and the music industry will continue to crumble. Giving up control of content and giving it away free are not rational ideas in a market economy, yet everyone's cheering.
Boo hoo. My heart bleeds. Finally an end to a ridiculous monopoly that has lost all sight of musical talent. Hopefully the music and bands that don't just conform to mass-marketing formulas will finally also get some airplay.
The music industry needs to realise that most of us are looking for better music than Britney f'ing Spears or whoever is the current industry-manufactured talentless whiner that needs protools to even sound good that they're pushing on the kids this week.
Maybe if they stopped being so formulaic and decided who gets contracts based musical talent instead of physical appearance and image-marketability then the silent majority might actually be interested enough to buy some. I mean when you're listening to a CD, who gives a crap what the singer looks like?
>> with a better grasp of science these people will be better informed citizens.
No, these people are a threat and exactly the type of people the US government are trying to stamp out.
What most governments are working hard at is to turn the whole of society into sheeplike ill-informed taxpayers that fill their days with harmless trivia (paris hilton, religion, consumerism, etc) as they are the easiest to control.
Everyone here is posting how to hack around it or whatever.
The real solution is to refuse to accept working like this in the first place.
What are we, men or mice?
as a consumer, the whole notion that the thing I paid good money for includes the purchase of compnents whose only purpose is to artificially cripple the rest abhors me.
My CS AI prof at University of Reading had done this about 15 years ago, following the tube train fire at Kings Cross, London.
He created a model of the station and passengers, programmed only about 6 simple rules into the movenent of each passenger, and found that the model pretty accurately recreated where they found the actual bodies in the station.
They need to make more films available using streaming. Most if not all of the 6000 movies available are really old or the least popular.
Also they REALLY need to get away from IE-only technology.
Are you serious? Dear god please tell me you're trolling and not actually stupid enough to watch movies while driving...
>>> He reasons that if reality was to do something that information processing cannot, then it cannot be virtual."
I guess the problem is to identify what that thing is, given everything we understand such as logic, math, and physics in order to allow us to reason about things are based on laws inherent in whatever model forms our virtual existence.
Perhaps the laws (if any) that govern the 'real' reality are different to ours, infinitely more complex, simple, or not even constant. There's not really any reason I can see that they necessarily have to be the same, or are even likely to be the same. Consequently our reasoning about 'real' reality based on our rules wouldn't even make sense.
>> figure out when you were frustrated. It could then offer to pair you up with someone else doing exactly the same thing who might be able to help you out.
To be honest I would find this 'feature' very frustrating in itself.
Its just apparently another way for Microsoft to shrug-off their bad UI designs and duties by putting it on the shoulders of other users instead.
It seems to be human nature to want to try and quantify, classify and plan everything, however some things (like research) can't be effectively estimated beforehand because of the unknowns. Try explaining that to a project manager though.
Whilst I agree with trying to keep to a plan, by being so hardline this guy just sounds like yet another clueless project manager who think the people that actually do the work (engineers and scientists) are purposely trying to go over budget at any opportunity if it wasn't for him.
yet another MS-only proprietary technology that fills the same gaps as something standard thats already out there.
You know what? I wouldn't mind the RIAA protecting upto 5 year-old music. I can see that everyone has to make money somehow. However if after 5 years we can do what we like with that is a fair compromise to all.