>> My point is that if it is somehow probable that the universe is a simulation, then it can be no less probable that we are the product of intelligent design...
Nope the system may be the product of intelligent design, but we are a product of the system. With the simulation concept, at best you could claim we are indirectly the product of ID.
> and if we refuse to acknowledge intelligent design as likely on the basis that we can find no evidence for it, we must similarly reject the notion that the universe is just a simulation...
If there is no evidence for it, then I totally agree. Religion, ID and the simulation hypothesis all remind me of the old maps that label the most remote lands/seas with "dragons be here" rather than have the cartographer admit he simply has no data.
>> These manufactured scandals... >> All I have to do is keep repeating that these are right-wing echo chamber talking points and wait for your head to explode.
Thanks for proving you really are nothing more than a stuck needle. The really sad thing is that Its exactly the Democrat brainwashing propaganda, not even your own thoughts let alone any solid counter arguments that you're regurgitating. Just repeated braidead generalisms and canned sound bites.
> There you go again with the right-wing echo chamber talking points.
Its you that is the stuck-needle my friend. Go do some research into why hundreds of millions of $ are flowing into the Clinton Foundation from the Middle East, go look at Trey Gowdy's cross examinations of Clinton, Comey and Lynch. Go look at how Hillary is connected to them. Go look at who owns her.
Oh wait you're a Hillary supporter. What am I thinking? Even though the internet puts all the information is right under your nose you still aren;'t going to bother to get off your fat ass, inform yourself and do any actual fact checking, because you have the media to do your thinking for you so you can just stay on the couch and keep drinking the Hillary Kool-aid, and spout fact-free crap about echo chamber talking points. because that's the braindead American Way you've been sold and choose to follow because it means you don't have to actually do anything or actually use your brain.
Intelligent Design is just a scheme conceived by radically religious nutjobs as a desperate attempt to legitimize and justify hanging on to outdated god concepts contrary to all the tangible evidence. Even flat-earthers have an at least superficially more logical/consistent argument for their beleifs. Given that, its hard to frame any kind of serious response to any argument that includes any reference to ID.
Don't you ever get tired of living in total denial and narrow-minded ignorance? For example, people that bother to do even trivial levels of their own research can easily see Hillary is a criminal, but they are not necessarily supporters the right wing either, however that just wouldn't fit into your lazy and ridiculously over-simplistic worldview that is entirely fed to you by the media would it?
Well in the reality that is everyones other than yours she is clearly a psychopathic power crazed loon, a pathological liar, a clear security risk, already in the pockets of foreign powers, and a fucking out and out criminal that is currently under investigation for possible treason and would have already been in jail by now had she not also have had the Director of the FBI and the Attorney General in her pocket because they are (almost) as corrupt as her.
> Basically we should want to convince the creator that we are worth saving..
Why? To prevent this presumed creator from ending our entire simulation? Why/how would you care or even know if it did? Time is relative, and given we are a construct, time would also be an artificial concept, so maybe it already has.
>> so not only do we have to understand our universe so thoroughly we can break out of it, we have to understand the enclosing universe thoroughly enough to break into it.
Presuming you successfully break out of the current universe, I think you automatically get the "were are now in another universe (that you probably wont understand or even be able to perceive)" part for free. In fact I don't think you can avoid it, since there is no logical intermediate state.
If we are in a simulation, then we are just an attribute of that simulation. i.e. our very existence are just some logical symbols that are the result of some calculation. We would have no actual physical aspect. In that context, what does "Break free of the simulation" even mean? That would be like a video game character trying to break free of the PC that the game he is in, is running on. Logically impossible. "Breaking free" for us is a similarly meaningless/impossible concept, with one exception: If our simulation is itself running in a simulation (i.e. the PC game is running in a VM) and "breaking free" just means removing one layer of abstraction so we are being simulated in an environment closer to the root mechanism. Then the question becomes why would we even want that? We couldn't ever leave the simulation entirely because if we are just logical symbols with no actual physical aspect, the uppermost layer of reality would have no support environment for us to continue our existence in.
>> "The mail scanning described in the article does not exist on our systems" Translation: Its actually running on a box that is physically located in our server farm and hardwired right into our backbone, but the NSA owns the hardware.
Dammit I never even got to hear them in concert. I heard all their songs are just obvious but worse copies of other more successful bands music though.
its imperative that we retain every stupid facebook post for eternity. NOT.
Seriously though. I can't remember where I read it, but apparently mankind has generated factors more data over the past 10 years than in the entire rest of our civilized history, and the problem is getting worse as we go on. We clearly need some form of process of natural selection for data. I'm completely OK with the "clearing out boxes in the garage" principle. If you haven't missed it for 2 years, let it go.
Only from personal experience of being a car nut and trying to do things like replace transmissions in cars myself. Most recently, I wanted to replace the ZF 6HP26 transmission in my Jaguar, and getting one direct from ZF would save me $thousands, but I've been told both by ZF and by Jaguar that if I put one from ZF in my car it would not pass the power up checks (so the car wont even start the motor) just because the firmware wouldn't contain the Jaguar code. Nor would Jaguar dealers reprogram the transmission (even though they have the equipment). I'd have to buy a ZF transmission through Jaguar with the programming already in, for like 3x the cost. I'm in an "import" car club with lots of other car owners who like to tweak their cars (extra performance etc), and they have all experienced similar stories across a range of brands. They all do it to some degree, but from stories, the worst for locking cars down is clearly all the German brands.
they are already valueless because once stolen/leaked the exploits immediately become common knowledge so will be defended against.
Presuming the NSA has at least half a braincell, you can bet they will have already totally defused the situation by telling all the appropriate manufacturers about any/all loopholes all the stolen tools exploited.
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>> The principle of intelligent design is the notion that we are intelligently designed. Period.
Nope. Leaders of the movement have said the designer is the Christian God.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki...
>> My point is that if it is somehow probable that the universe is a simulation, then it can be no less probable that we are the product of intelligent design...
Nope the system may be the product of intelligent design, but we are a product of the system. With the simulation concept, at best you could claim we are indirectly the product of ID.
> and if we refuse to acknowledge intelligent design as likely on the basis that we can find no evidence for it, we must similarly reject the notion that the universe is just a simulation...
If there is no evidence for it, then I totally agree. Religion, ID and the simulation hypothesis all remind me of the old maps that label the most remote lands/seas with "dragons be here" rather than have the cartographer admit he simply has no data.
>> These manufactured scandals...
>> All I have to do is keep repeating that these are right-wing echo chamber talking points and wait for your head to explode.
Thanks for proving you really are nothing more than a stuck needle. The really sad thing is that Its exactly the Democrat brainwashing propaganda, not even your own thoughts let alone any solid counter arguments that you're regurgitating. Just repeated braidead generalisms and canned sound bites.
> There you go again with the right-wing echo chamber talking points.
Its you that is the stuck-needle my friend.
Go do some research into why hundreds of millions of $ are flowing into the Clinton Foundation from the Middle East, go look at Trey Gowdy's cross examinations of Clinton, Comey and Lynch. Go look at how Hillary is connected to them. Go look at who owns her.
Oh wait you're a Hillary supporter. What am I thinking? Even though the internet puts all the information is right under your nose you still aren;'t going to bother to get off your fat ass, inform yourself and do any actual fact checking, because you have the media to do your thinking for you so you can just stay on the couch and keep drinking the Hillary Kool-aid, and spout fact-free crap about echo chamber talking points. because that's the braindead American Way you've been sold and choose to follow because it means you don't have to actually do anything or actually use your brain.
Intelligent Design is just a scheme conceived by radically religious nutjobs as a desperate attempt to legitimize and justify hanging on to outdated god concepts contrary to all the tangible evidence.
Even flat-earthers have an at least superficially more logical/consistent argument for their beleifs.
Given that, its hard to frame any kind of serious response to any argument that includes any reference to ID.
Don't you ever get tired of living in total denial and narrow-minded ignorance?
For example, people that bother to do even trivial levels of their own research can easily see Hillary is a criminal, but they are not necessarily supporters the right wing either, however that just wouldn't fit into your lazy and ridiculously over-simplistic worldview that is entirely fed to you by the media would it?
Its clearly a human, and one not even used to walking round the forest. Look at the awkward way he jumps off a small log around 0:40.
As to being all black and possibly hairy, I'd suggest thats entirely down to poor lighting/camera resolution/compression artefacts.
Yeah except Hollywood physics isn't the real world.
Well in the reality that is everyones other than yours she is clearly a psychopathic power crazed loon, a pathological liar, a clear security risk, already in the pockets of foreign powers, and a fucking out and out criminal that is currently under investigation for possible treason and would have already been in jail by now had she not also have had the Director of the FBI and the Attorney General in her pocket because they are (almost) as corrupt as her.
> Clinton is the only credible candidate for POTUS
Bwahahahaha, WTF are you smoking?
> Basically we should want to convince the creator that we are worth saving..
Why? To prevent this presumed creator from ending our entire simulation? Why/how would you care or even know if it did? Time is relative, and given we are a construct, time would also be an artificial concept, so maybe it already has.
Simple. We are data. We are the product of an intelligently-designed system. We are not the system itself.
>> so not only do we have to understand our universe so thoroughly we can break out of it, we have to understand the enclosing universe thoroughly enough to break into it.
Presuming you successfully break out of the current universe, I think you automatically get the "were are now in another universe (that you probably wont understand or even be able to perceive)" part for free. In fact I don't think you can avoid it, since there is no logical intermediate state.
Someone's been watching reruns of "The Dome" .
If we are in a simulation, then we are just an attribute of that simulation. i.e. our very existence are just some logical symbols that are the result of some calculation. We would have no actual physical aspect.
In that context, what does "Break free of the simulation" even mean?
That would be like a video game character trying to break free of the PC that the game he is in, is running on. Logically impossible. "Breaking free" for us is a similarly meaningless/impossible concept, with one exception:
If our simulation is itself running in a simulation (i.e. the PC game is running in a VM) and "breaking free" just means removing one layer of abstraction so we are being simulated in an environment closer to the root mechanism. Then the question becomes why would we even want that?
We couldn't ever leave the simulation entirely because if we are just logical symbols with no actual physical aspect, the uppermost layer of reality would have no support environment for us to continue our existence in.
Yeah I actually thought of that right after my first post. I strongly suspect this is actually the truth.
>> "The mail scanning described in the article does not exist on our systems"
Translation:
Its actually running on a box that is physically located in our server farm and hardwired right into our backbone, but the NSA owns the hardware.
Thanks this is really informative. If I had mod points you'd have gotten them.
I'll bet a whole dollar that Microsoft, Google and Apple have been secretly doing this for ages too.
That video is just sooo wrong on so many levels.
Do even MS sales droids actually go for this shit?
Dammit I never even got to hear them in concert.
I heard all their songs are just obvious but worse copies of other more successful bands music though.
its imperative that we retain every stupid facebook post for eternity. NOT.
Seriously though. I can't remember where I read it, but apparently mankind has generated factors more data over the past 10 years than in the entire rest of our civilized history, and the problem is getting worse as we go on.
We clearly need some form of process of natural selection for data.
I'm completely OK with the "clearing out boxes in the garage" principle. If you haven't missed it for 2 years, let it go.
Only from personal experience of being a car nut and trying to do things like replace transmissions in cars myself.
Most recently, I wanted to replace the ZF 6HP26 transmission in my Jaguar, and getting one direct from ZF would save me $thousands, but I've been told both by ZF and by Jaguar that if I put one from ZF in my car it would not pass the power up checks (so the car wont even start the motor) just because the firmware wouldn't contain the Jaguar code. Nor would Jaguar dealers reprogram the transmission (even though they have the equipment). I'd have to buy a ZF transmission through Jaguar with the programming already in, for like 3x the cost.
I'm in an "import" car club with lots of other car owners who like to tweak their cars (extra performance etc), and they have all experienced similar stories across a range of brands. They all do it to some degree, but from stories, the worst for locking cars down is clearly all the German brands.
they are already valueless because once stolen/leaked the exploits immediately become common knowledge so will be defended against.
Presuming the NSA has at least half a braincell, you can bet they will have already totally defused the situation by telling all the appropriate manufacturers about any/all loopholes all the stolen tools exploited.
...until they start making phones again that have a battery that you can switch.
well its good to know that next time I do something illegal I can just tell the cop/judge that I didn't mean to and he has to let me off.