I guess I'm just amazed that a "review" of "linux" is basically a bunch of criticisms of X.
Er, their review, or mine? There's doesn't seem to mention X much at all (they have no review).My posts above's only mention of X was limited to a single point called 'general Linux issues' - ie, I specifically mentioned it as an example of things that I dislike about Linux in general.
Try 'visudo', for crying out loud. It's a very clean and easy to use interface.
I don't want an interface. What I specifically want is a list of functionally grouped command aliases in the default sudoers file rather than users have to set their sudoers up themselves, which involves a great deal of research if you want to do it properly.
ACLs are seperate from SELinux. They're properly called an 'extended attribute'. They're a superset of normal permissions - ie, they allow multiple users and multiple groups different access levels on a single file.
- When listing a dir, 'ls' shows a + next to the permissions on files that have ACLs.
- The command 'getfacl' shows a files ACLs, and 'setfacl' allows you to change them.
- The GUI to change them doesn't exist. There's an entry in Bugzilla for 'ability to see / edit access control lists' though.
Cause it had nothing negative to say... so here's the bad stuff about Fedora, from someone who uses it, knows it well, and still likes it moe than other distros:
- Lack of a good GUI config tool installing packages. Ideally, system-config-packages should use up2date (rhn/yum/apt/dir) repositories to pull its packages from. Synaptic's the closest thing, but it only works with apt repositories.
- As painful as it seems for the Gnome guys to either test this out or believe anyone who says so, most users disable spatial Nautilus. This should be done by default. However otherwise the Gnome on FC3 feels great, particularly the file associations and launcher editing tools.
- Garret no longer works for Red Hat. Hence the new wallpaper for FC3 is kinda ugly compared to previous masterpieces.
- Needs a default sudoers file that allows particular groups of commands (but not all) to be run with root privileges by paricular users. I checked this into bugzilla so it should be there for the next release.
- General Linux stuff. Eg, I'd like the re-architected X servers fd.o are proposing - where X sits on top of OpenGL drivers - the only driver necessary to run a card. This involves replacing the current X drivers tho. It'll happen, but it'll take a long time...
Are you sure FC2 included Java packages? Such items are usually included on an extras CD, but shouldn't be part of FC unless their licensing permits them to - unlikely to be the case with the 2 popular closed-source JVMs.
That saiud, the Java Packaging Project (which includes some Red Hat staff) have repositories for FC.
Frankly, a whole bunch of numbered image files does not make for a Fedora review. Personally, I can't even bother sorting through them all.
I run Fedora Rawhide on my laptop. This would be the equivalent of say, Debian Unstable. So I have a good idea of what FC3 offers...
- Bluecurve theme finally covers everything.In particular, Firefox and OpenOffice look like every other KDE or Gnome app.
- If what I've seen in the RHEL 4 beta is the same for Fedora, partitioning now uses LVM by default. There's a new GUI LVM config tool called 'system-config-lvm' in Rawhide to provide the post-install disk resizing. Additionally, online resizing with ext3 should work and, if you use RHEL, be supported.
- Firefox and Thunderbird.
- SELinux turned on, including policies for locking down Apache, Bind, and NIS. A GUI config tool is provided for this.
- There's apparently improvements to yum which I'm not sure about. Personally, I'm a fan of up2date, which can use directories full of packages (without needing index files) as one of its sources.
- Udev./dev only includes devices that actually exist in your system. This is kinda nice. e2labelas deprecated, as there's now a whole bunch of ways to uniquely refer to devices rather than just their label. This is good for people who hot plug a lot of devices.
- HelixPlayer is now included by default.
- Bash 3 - not much difference for me, apart from the new inbuilt range system that obsoletes the old 'seq' command. If you call it as/bin/sh, it runs as Old School Bourne shell.
I read recently, I think on LWN, that IBM now earn more revenue from Linux than they do from their IP licensing (and yes, they make huge revenue from IP licensing).
rm object -rf Putting the options is allowed in GNU rm and means hitting enter too early won't do anything bad.
Don't have 'rm' runnable through sudo. Have 'mainly reversable' sys admin commands (rpm / dpkg, tar, edquota, etc) and commands to change permission on other objects (ie, setfacl / chown). That way you at least need to change the ownership of the object to your non privileged account before you delete it.
I stopped reading when he started pushing that there's no way to resolve dependencies with RPM files, and then went on to compare a packaging system (RPM) with a tool that lives on top of one (apt-get).
"Ford has an engine - with Holden, you get a steering wheel and comfy seats"
Suse and Redhat, while perfect on the former count, DO NOT OFFER THE FULL BENEFITS OF F/OSS SOFTWARE.
OH NOES~!
Red Hat as a company does not believe in proprietary software.
Care to provide more detail? As all the software in RHEL and Fedora is Open Source, source packages for which are available from ftp.redhat.com. Hence distributions like Whitebox and CAOSity, which take those source packages and redistribute binaries for free.
Likewise for Red Hat GFS (which is Open Source because Red Hat brought the company and made it so, as they are doing with Netscape Directory Server).
Nobody is saying this stuff isn't useful, they're saying it's useful enough that you'd want to make it available for all apps, rather than just those that use KDE.
That's always a choice. Consistency between the same app across platforms, or consistency of apps on a single platforms.
The answer is pretty obvious: more people use multiple apps than.se multiple platforms.
A good example of the merits of each is comparing the success of the orginal Mozilla (which was consistent across multiple platforms) with Firefox (which was consistent with other apps on that platforms, and therefore didn't annoy the hell out of users).
I'm running a pirate copy of Windows XP SP2 on my scratch partition. I'm a Fedora guy that's interested in distros and operating systems, and have XP installed on my scratch partition right now. I used a pirate copy for the install as the one I was forced to purchase from Dell will destroy my main OS partition on my hard disk.
Interesting facts: 1. It works in Firefox. If the ActiveX control doesn't download, they give you a.hta you run instead (pity there's no XUL version, but hey...). 2. They don't show the results.
Contrary to what another poster said, Windows Update seems to work fine with a pirate copy of XP, at least this one.
It's common practice to "roll your own" where it's really important.
It's a common bad habit usually done to satisfy the ego of the admin. Most Red Hat customers use the distro because of the support arrangements available. That support, which doesn't exist for third party packages (including 'roll their own') is more valuable than the ego boost the admin gets from doing things themselves.
If you go replacing your packages with third party ones, you also miss out on a lot of the effort that Red Hat put into backporting security fixes. Does that Apache security fix change the format of module files? Not if you're running Red Hat's Apache package, it doesn't. If you're running something else, either backport it yourself (most people who have the skills to do that decide to let Red Hat do it for them) or update every module you're using.
I am. Pardon, I thought FL had ended support for 7.3/ 9 already. They haven't (there was discussion of this on a mailing list recently, and I assumed it had been implemented).
That's true, but it doesn't make what I said untrue. Neither Red Hat nor Fedora Fegacy provide security updated for 7.3 and 9. Hence people who care about host security tend not to run these releases.
Depends whether you look at Linux as just another Unix, or its logical replacement. Linux has its own standards, because its more developed and maintained than proprietary Unix. In particular the LSB, which seems to matter to the old Unix's because The Apps Are On (or will soon by on), Linux. SCO, IBM and now Sun are all touting Linux compatibility, in Sun's case including standards compliance, for their proprietary Unixs.
That's not to say that Unix standards don't matter to Linux. They do, but generally in terms of porting apps from Unix to Linux.
In 1998 I like dance music - most of my albums were continuous mixes. I remember distinctly when WinAmp got the ability to play back albums continuously.
If WinAmp could do this in 98, then it surprises me an embedded player couldn't do the same six years later.
Personally, I was excited when I first heard about SELinux, mainly cause it seemed to satisfy the need for proper delegeation of priveleges without running as root. Then I realize it doesn't solve that problem at all, apparently cause Linus won't let the SELinux team delegate root priveleges out, just remove them from some processses. That's, Bad (TM).
Just to review that solution again:
- Log in as an ordinary user - Continue running your administrative app as root through the rather nasty hack called sudo - Hope your SELinux settings locked down the account and app properly.
few cases where MS and Libre software compete, and Libre is the larger target.
There's a few more. OpenSSH is more popular than proprietary SSH, BIND is more popular than proprietary DNS servers, Squid is more popular than all other caches. In most cases, all their competitors combined.
sendmail is also more popular than IIS SMTP or Exchange, but Exchange is a groupware app whereas sendmail is an MTA.
The parent post is perfectly on topic. The article is talking about sub pixel rendering:
By composing a new pixel with the sub-pixel on the adjacent scanning line, 480x640 (VGA) resolution can be attained from a 240x640 (half VGA) panel.
Using adjacent triads from different pixels to increase the optical resolution of screen output is old technology. X uses it for fonts (Gnome Menu -> Preferences -> Fonts -> Subpixel Smoothing), as does Windows XP.
The article merely mentions Samsung are now using for mobile phones displays (and for more than fonts, but again this isn't a big deal - just a new implementation of existing technology).
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I guess I'm just amazed that a "review" of "linux" is basically a bunch of criticisms of X.
Er, their review, or mine? There's doesn't seem to mention X much at all (they have no review).My posts above's only mention of X was limited to a single point called 'general Linux issues' - ie, I specifically mentioned it as an example of things that I dislike about Linux in general.
Try 'visudo', for crying out loud. It's a very clean and easy to use interface.
I don't want an interface. What I specifically want is a list of functionally grouped command aliases in the default sudoers file rather than users have to set their sudoers up themselves, which involves a great deal of research if you want to do it properly.
ACLs are seperate from SELinux. They're properly called an 'extended attribute'. They're a superset of normal permissions - ie, they allow multiple users and multiple groups different access levels on a single file.
- When listing a dir, 'ls' shows a + next to the permissions on files that have ACLs.
- The command 'getfacl' shows a files ACLs, and 'setfacl' allows you to change them.
- The GUI to change them doesn't exist. There's an entry in Bugzilla for 'ability to see / edit access control lists' though.
Cause it had nothing negative to say... so here's the bad stuff about Fedora, from someone who uses it, knows it well, and still likes it moe than other distros:
- Lack of a good GUI config tool installing packages. Ideally, system-config-packages should use up2date (rhn/yum/apt/dir) repositories to pull its packages from. Synaptic's the closest thing, but it only works with apt repositories.
- As painful as it seems for the Gnome guys to either test this out or believe anyone who says so, most users disable spatial Nautilus. This should be done by default. However otherwise the Gnome on FC3 feels great, particularly the file associations and launcher editing tools.
- Garret no longer works for Red Hat. Hence the new wallpaper for FC3 is kinda ugly compared to previous masterpieces.
- Needs a default sudoers file that allows particular groups of commands (but not all) to be run with root privileges by paricular users. I checked this into bugzilla so it should be there for the next release.
- General Linux stuff. Eg, I'd like the re-architected X servers fd.o are proposing - where X sits on top of OpenGL drivers - the only driver necessary to run a card. This involves replacing the current X drivers tho. It'll happen, but it'll take a long time...
Are you sure FC2 included Java packages? Such items are usually included on an extras CD, but shouldn't be part of FC unless their licensing permits them to - unlikely to be the case with the 2 popular closed-source JVMs.
That saiud, the Java Packaging Project (which includes some Red Hat staff) have repositories for FC.
Frankly, a whole bunch of numbered image files does not make for a Fedora review. Personally, I can't even bother sorting through them all.
/dev only includes devices that actually exist in your system. This is kinda nice. e2labelas deprecated, as there's now a whole bunch of ways to uniquely refer to devices rather than just their label. This is good for people who hot plug a lot of devices.
/bin/sh, it runs as Old School Bourne shell.
I run Fedora Rawhide on my laptop. This would be the equivalent of say, Debian Unstable. So I have a good idea of what FC3 offers...
- Bluecurve theme finally covers everything.In particular, Firefox and OpenOffice look like every other KDE or Gnome app.
- If what I've seen in the RHEL 4 beta is the same for Fedora, partitioning now uses LVM by default. There's a new GUI LVM config tool called 'system-config-lvm' in Rawhide to provide the post-install disk resizing. Additionally, online resizing with ext3 should work and, if you use RHEL, be supported.
- Firefox and Thunderbird.
- SELinux turned on, including policies for locking down Apache, Bind, and NIS. A GUI config tool is provided for this.
- There's apparently improvements to yum which I'm not sure about. Personally, I'm a fan of up2date, which can use directories full of packages (without needing index files) as one of its sources.
- Udev.
- HelixPlayer is now included by default.
- Bash 3 - not much difference for me, apart from the new inbuilt range system that obsoletes the old 'seq' command. If you call it as
I read recently, I think on LWN, that IBM now earn more revenue from Linux than they do from their IP licensing (and yes, they make huge revenue from IP licensing).
I can't be bothered looking it up. You do it.
The linked article marked Dell is about HP.
rm object -rf
Putting the options is allowed in GNU rm and means hitting enter too early won't do anything bad.
Don't have 'rm' runnable through sudo. Have 'mainly reversable' sys admin commands (rpm / dpkg, tar, edquota, etc) and commands to change permission on other objects (ie, setfacl / chown). That way you at least need to change the ownership of the object to your non privileged account before you delete it.
You don't have to su,
rm ~jwinick -rf
will do you want you want (put the options last for safety)
I stopped reading when he started pushing that there's no way to resolve dependencies with RPM files, and then went on to compare a packaging system (RPM) with a tool that lives on top of one (apt-get).
"Ford has an engine - with Holden, you get a steering wheel and comfy seats"
Suse and Redhat, while perfect on the former count, DO NOT OFFER THE FULL BENEFITS OF F/OSS SOFTWARE.
OH NOES~!
Red Hat as a company does not believe in proprietary software.
Care to provide more detail? As all the software in RHEL and Fedora is Open Source, source packages for which are available from ftp.redhat.com. Hence distributions like Whitebox and CAOSity, which take those source packages and redistribute binaries for free.
Likewise for Red Hat GFS (which is Open Source because Red Hat brought the company and made it so, as they are doing with Netscape Directory Server).
The phrase 'hater' is a childish one.
Nobody is saying this stuff isn't useful, they're saying it's useful enough that you'd want to make it available for all apps, rather than just those that use KDE.
This should be a FDo project, not a KDE one.
That's always a choice. Consistency between the same app across platforms, or consistency of apps on a single platforms.
.se multiple platforms.
The answer is pretty obvious: more people use multiple apps than
A good example of the merits of each is comparing the success of the orginal Mozilla (which was consistent across multiple platforms) with Firefox (which was consistent with other apps on that platforms, and therefore didn't annoy the hell out of users).
I'm running a pirate copy of Windows XP SP2 on my scratch partition. I'm a Fedora guy that's interested in distros and operating systems, and have XP installed on my scratch partition right now. I used a pirate copy for the install as the one I was forced to purchase from Dell will destroy my main OS partition on my hard disk.
.hta you run instead (pity there's no XUL version, but hey...).
Interesting facts:
1. It works in Firefox. If the ActiveX control doesn't download, they give you a
2. They don't show the results.
Contrary to what another poster said, Windows Update seems to work fine with a pirate copy of XP, at least this one.
With the Mozilla Active X control.
Google for it.
It's common practice to "roll your own" where it's really important.
It's a common bad habit usually done to satisfy the ego of the admin. Most Red Hat customers use the distro because of the support arrangements available. That support, which doesn't exist for third party packages (including 'roll their own') is more valuable than the ego boost the admin gets from doing things themselves.
If you go replacing your packages with third party ones, you also miss out on a lot of the effort that Red Hat put into backporting security fixes. Does that Apache security fix change the format of module files? Not if you're running Red Hat's Apache package, it doesn't. If you're running something else, either backport it yourself (most people who have the skills to do that decide to let Red Hat do it for them) or update every module you're using.
I am. Pardon, I thought FL had ended support for 7.3/ 9 already. They haven't (there was discussion of this on a mailing list recently, and I assumed it had been implemented).
That's true, but it doesn't make what I said untrue. Neither Red Hat nor Fedora Fegacy provide security updated for 7.3 and 9. Hence people who care about host security tend not to run these releases.
Depends whether you look at Linux as just another Unix, or its logical replacement. Linux has its own standards, because its more developed and maintained than proprietary Unix. In particular the LSB, which seems to matter to the old Unix's because The Apps Are On (or will soon by on), Linux. SCO, IBM and now Sun are all touting Linux compatibility, in Sun's case including standards compliance, for their proprietary Unixs.
That's not to say that Unix standards don't matter to Linux. They do, but generally in terms of porting apps from Unix to Linux.
In 1998 I like dance music - most of my albums were continuous mixes. I remember distinctly when WinAmp got the ability to play back albums continuously.
If WinAmp could do this in 98, then it surprises me an embedded player couldn't do the same six years later.
If the iRiver doesn't do it, I bet another can.
Personally, I was excited when I first heard about SELinux, mainly cause it seemed to satisfy the need for proper delegeation of priveleges without running as root. Then I realize it doesn't solve that problem at all, apparently cause Linus won't let the SELinux team delegate root priveleges out, just remove them from some processses. That's, Bad (TM).
Just to review that solution again:
- Log in as an ordinary user
- Continue running your administrative app as root through the rather nasty hack called sudo
- Hope your SELinux settings locked down the account and app properly.
Eugh.
few cases where MS and Libre software compete, and Libre is the larger target.
There's a few more. OpenSSH is more popular than proprietary SSH, BIND is more popular than proprietary DNS servers, Squid is more popular than all other caches. In most cases, all their competitors combined.
sendmail is also more popular than IIS SMTP or Exchange, but Exchange is a groupware app whereas sendmail is an MTA.
The parent post is perfectly on topic. The article is talking about sub pixel rendering:
By composing a new pixel with the sub-pixel on the adjacent scanning line, 480x640 (VGA) resolution can be attained from a 240x640 (half VGA) panel.
Using adjacent triads from different pixels to increase the optical resolution of screen output is old technology. X uses it for fonts (Gnome Menu -> Preferences -> Fonts -> Subpixel Smoothing), as does Windows XP.
The article merely mentions Samsung are now using for mobile phones displays (and for more than fonts, but again this isn't a big deal - just a new implementation of existing technology).
Thanks for pasting from the article something to prove my point.
By composing a new pixel with the sub-pixel on the adjacent scanning line,
That technology exists and is in common use at present.
480x640 (VGA) resolution can be attained from a 240x640 (half VGA) panel.
Yep, the optical resolution stuff isn't anything new. Just now they can do it on mobil phones with their hardware implementation. As I said, Big deal.
Better headline: subpixel rendering now available on mobile phones.