When I see the human scum that are the product of lax Western culture, it's no mystery why Islamists see us as the incarnation of evil.
And when the western world see's the result of legislated morality in Islamic countries it's no wonder we in turn demonize them.
I agree with most of what you said though. I would love to see this crap disappear and for western civlization to grow up. I just don't trust the goverment with the keys to make that change. Real social change has to happen without their help or you will simply wind up with a dictatorship.
Its called Boiling a frog, or a slippery slope. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog. Drugs, pr0n, alchoholism, eating disorders all are susceptible to this.
That assumes there's a persistant state of escalation, this isn't always the case.
If the water doesn't continue to warm it never boils.
We can't prosecute people on the assumption that what they are doing will eventually lead to someting worse.
Nice to see people still miss the point. Whether you care to admit it or not, it's not normal to wank off to pics of underaged people. I personally lost interest in that more or less immediately upon turning 18.
The argument you're making is that because there isn't direct damage that it isn't causing damage. It's a bad argument, basically it would be OK to view and look at child pr0n as long as you didn't make or produce it. Encouraging it by giving the sites hits or trading other people's images would OK, because of course that person trading the images didn't make them.
I'm not really sure what about that isn't clear. Trading in kiddie porn is harmful to those that are abused and even in the best case scenario it trivializes what is typically a very damaging act.
And really, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for making light of what is an immensely painful experience for victims.
I don't suppose you noticed that are in fact no victims in this case. No actual children where involved. Otherwise I agree with you.
Trying to find a proper long handled (not the stubby little D handled monstrosities) spade without special ordering one or resorting to "contractor" (price * 10) models is quite the task.
If you think a shovel == a spade, do a little research and your back will thank you.
One is for working soil. The other is for moving it.
Maybe things work differently in Australia than they do here in the US, but here we don't have any national repository for our citizens' medical histories. Google is trying to get a voluntary database together, but "downloading someone's medical history" just doesn't happen here. Can you come up with another exaggerated life-and-death situation that we weren't able to mitigate before the Internet?
Central repositories no.
Databases that are hosted off site and hence require reliable internet acess, yes.
Not exagerated at all. I took a few calls like this when I did T-1 support.
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You watch a Shakespeare play over and over while knowing the end.
Nope, never. Modern theater makes it unessary with all the constant remakes. I'm still looking for a Romeo and Juliet with a happy ending.
This is terrible. You can't put websites at the bottom of the parrot cage!
Or use them to wrap takeaway food...
Ummm just buy a printer. Problem solved.
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They might as well not have existed. There is an important difference between that and "They didn't exist".
If something doesn't create experimental results, then it is treated like it doesn't exist, because it might as well not. If we come up with a new experiment that can detect something we previously couldn't, then we acknowledge it and add it to our knowledge base. But before we can detect something directly or indirectly it simply doesn't matter.
This is btw the thing most religious people don't seem to grasp. There may be a god or many gods, christian or muslim or greek gods. Evil or good or neutral, powerful or weak. However, as long as a god isn't detectable using scientific means, he might as well not exist.
I don't follow. Just becuase something is unknown and unobserved doesn't mean it isn't having an effect on us.
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Of course they were observable, just because people didn't observe them doesn't mean they didn't have observable effects. Are you claiming that the properties of neutrinos changes once we invented a detector? That's a silly argument.
If you have a theory that predicts the existence of chi, and a strategy to build a working detector, then we're talking about real science worth doing. Until that groundwork is done, you might as well base your system of medicine around santa claus.
But why would anyone bother building a dector if we simpy assume they don't exist?
Clean coal is green. (It's also mined magical pixies from mines located at the opposite ends of rainbows from those occupied by leprachauns and their pots of gold.)
Oh...then I'm against it. Too many jobs are being outsourced to magical foreign lands. It's killing our economy.
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Neutrinos have observable effects. That's what this thing is for.
They weren't observable until 1935 when they were discovered. Did they not exist before then?
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When I see the human scum that are the product of lax Western culture, it's no mystery why Islamists see us as the incarnation of evil.
And when the western world see's the result of legislated morality in Islamic countries it's no wonder we in turn demonize them.
I agree with most of what you said though. I would love to see this crap disappear and for western civlization to grow up. I just don't trust the goverment with the keys to make that change. Real social change has to happen without their help or you will simply wind up with a dictatorship.
Its called Boiling a frog, or a slippery slope. Read about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boiling_frog. Drugs, pr0n, alchoholism, eating disorders all are susceptible to this.
That assumes there's a persistant state of escalation, this isn't always the case. If the water doesn't continue to warm it never boils.
We can't prosecute people on the assumption that what they are doing will eventually lead to someting worse.
Nice to see people still miss the point. Whether you care to admit it or not, it's not normal to wank off to pics of underaged people. I personally lost interest in that more or less immediately upon turning 18.
The argument you're making is that because there isn't direct damage that it isn't causing damage. It's a bad argument, basically it would be OK to view and look at child pr0n as long as you didn't make or produce it. Encouraging it by giving the sites hits or trading other people's images would OK, because of course that person trading the images didn't make them.
I'm not really sure what about that isn't clear. Trading in kiddie porn is harmful to those that are abused and even in the best case scenario it trivializes what is typically a very damaging act.
And really, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for making light of what is an immensely painful experience for victims.
I don't suppose you noticed that are in fact no victims in this case. No actual children where involved. Otherwise I agree with you.
The author even made the online version free. http://poignantguide.net/
I thought we all hated EULAs...or is that only when microsoft writes them.
"Insightful"? I think he was going for the "Funny."
It's only funny because it's true which makes it insightful.
Dude....decaf...try some.
Spades are decidedly not pointy.
Trying to find a proper long handled (not the stubby little D handled monstrosities) spade without special ordering one or resorting to "contractor" (price * 10) models is quite the task.
If you think a shovel == a spade, do a little research and your back will thank you.
One is for working soil. The other is for moving it.
So what's a pointy shovel called?
Maybe things work differently in Australia than they do here in the US, but here we don't have any national repository for our citizens' medical histories. Google is trying to get a voluntary database together, but "downloading someone's medical history" just doesn't happen here. Can you come up with another exaggerated life-and-death situation that we weren't able to mitigate before the Internet?
Central repositories no. Databases that are hosted off site and hence require reliable internet acess, yes.
Not exagerated at all. I took a few calls like this when I did T-1 support.
You watch a Shakespeare play over and over while knowing the end.
Nope, never. Modern theater makes it unessary with all the constant remakes. I'm still looking for a Romeo and Juliet with a happy ending.
A spade is not a "pointy shovel". It's a spade.
So what's a pointy shovel called?
Your analogy sucks because
A. The internet unfiltered isn't necessary B. Nobody gets killed simply because of an internet filter.
Nice try, though.
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Until a hospital can't download someones medical history because the filter is slowing traffic to a crawl.
There are flaws in everything.
Obviously you haven't yet heard of Natalie Portman.
Otherwise, yeah, you're right.
She lacks stone skin and grits. How can you overlook such obvious flaws.
We just kill each other and let the bodies rot...
I plan on being cremated :P.
And television writers unable to create a consistent storyline which lasts longer than 45 minutes.
You can pry my mini-series from my cold dead hand.
Time to buy a BMW
Getting SAP at home for Christmas is worse than getting beat over the head with a stocking full of coal.
Could be worse......Microsoft Small Business Manager anyone?
They can do this because they control the pipes.
*cough* I think you mean tubes.
This is terrible. You can't put websites at the bottom of the parrot cage! Or use them to wrap takeaway food...
Ummm just buy a printer. Problem solved.
They might as well not have existed. There is an important difference between that and "They didn't exist".
If something doesn't create experimental results, then it is treated like it doesn't exist, because it might as well not. If we come up with a new experiment that can detect something we previously couldn't, then we acknowledge it and add it to our knowledge base. But before we can detect something directly or indirectly it simply doesn't matter.
This is btw the thing most religious people don't seem to grasp. There may be a god or many gods, christian or muslim or greek gods. Evil or good or neutral, powerful or weak. However, as long as a god isn't detectable using scientific means, he might as well not exist.
I don't follow. Just becuase something is unknown and unobserved doesn't mean it isn't having an effect on us.
Of course they were observable, just because people didn't observe them doesn't mean they didn't have observable effects. Are you claiming that the properties of neutrinos changes once we invented a detector? That's a silly argument.
If you have a theory that predicts the existence of chi, and a strategy to build a working detector, then we're talking about real science worth doing. Until that groundwork is done, you might as well base your system of medicine around santa claus.
But why would anyone bother building a dector if we simpy assume they don't exist?
The microsoft-hate that goes on around here is kindof silly.
Wait are you saying microsoft isn't the incarnation of all that is evil?
Burn the Witch!
Clean coal is green. (It's also mined magical pixies from mines located at the opposite ends of rainbows from those occupied by leprachauns and their pots of gold.)
Oh...then I'm against it. Too many jobs are being outsourced to magical foreign lands. It's killing our economy.
Neutrinos have observable effects. That's what this thing is for.
They weren't observable until 1935 when they were discovered.
Did they not exist before then?
Coal plants of course! Don't worry, it's green coal!
I thought coal was black.