You brought up some good points. I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here...just for sake of discussion:
This would useful for finding people in a burning building full of smoke... and once the targets have been acquired, neutralize them.
Or imagine putting it onto a car as a warning system in heavy fog that you're approaching an obstacle too fast...or taking advantage of a dust storm and locating the enemy before he can locate you.
Same with planes...same reason, faster visual target acquisition is an advantage.
the internet was a defense project...that could allow us to maintain communication after a nuclear strike which is necessary if orders for a counter-strike are no be disemminated
So was GPS...to guide precision munitions to targets to increase kill ratios
So was radar...to detect any and all potential aerial and sea going enemy targets
"We dont need this" - we don't need you and your cluelessness...nor your innocence.
Just wanted let you know that there is always a way technology can be used by the military that is related to killing people. Especially if the military is involved in it's development.
Here are some good targets to test this camera out on, after all, these have some thick fog around them. Maybe we can get a clearer picture of:
CBS - the "true" source of the forged documents
Dick Cheney's secret Energy group (who are the members) CIA - Tenet's "slam dunk" intelligence source on Iraq's WMD (who fabricated that intelligence - afterall, it wasn't real) White House - who outed the CIA agent FBI & John Ashcroft - why is Sibel Edmond's testimony being "re-classified" after 2 years of being in public domain Halliburton - wait, maybe we shouldn't. We don't want to break the camera...
"We twice elected Clinton...Then we elected Bush...
We bring it all on ourselves as long as we value charisma over substance."
I'll give you Clinton on the charisma, but Bush? To this day, I still have 0 (zip, zilch, nada) idea as to what people see in Bush. Only if you turn the volume down on the TV. Then little Bush looks kind of funny, like he's telling jokes. But in reality he's talking about killing people.
Yikes. *MUTE*
If Bush could just loose the smirk when he talks about war, I would probably loose the urge to bitch-slap him.
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"...cities that grow like viruses, cities that look and function like holes made by earthworms...
(REPLY) "Last I checked, viruses weren't really alive (they're borderline) and they don't grow. Instead, they infect cells and force the cells to produce more of them- generally wrecking the cell in the process.
Ohhhh, please. You mean you didn't understand "...cities that grow like viruses" to mean:
"cities that infect the environment and force the environment to produce more of the city- generally wrecking the environment in the process."
Because...that's how I understood what he was saying.
What would I do? Well, naturally I'd hand it to the cabbie, hoping he'd be honest enough to turn it in at the company's lost-and-found desk so the owner can reclaim it.
"...if I want to listen to a particular track on a record player, I have to hunt down where the gaps are to place the needle."
Got your point, but like the audiophile to the gourmet cook, it's kind of like saying, "...if I want to eat some food, I'd rather through a pizza pocket into the microwave than go through the hassle of actually cooking a meal with a dozen ingredients for the next 45 minutes." To the gourmet cook, the cooking part is just as pleasureable as the eating (plus the food usually tastes a lot better!).
My point is that I actually enjoy that part of finding the tracks and placing the needle down and hearing the pops and crackle. Sure there is more work envolved, but it's part of the interactive experience. It demands your attention, like a pet. The vinyl record has character; no other record sounds quite like yours. The regular spinning and imperfections repeating at 33 1/3 feel biological in nature, like a heart beat.
Sure, digital is perfect, but humans are not, so I feel like my evolutionary ties are a little closer to our analog beasts.
I wouldn't worry about it - the amount of land these wind farms would occupy is far less than the amount of land consumed by suburbia. And your right, cleaner air and cheaper electricity is very worth it.
That's the principle reason environmentalists have poor credibility: they're more interested in manipulating the emotions of people than being rational, telling the truth, offering scientific evidence, or otherwise communicating information in a trustworthy fashion.
Funny, because your comment:
* manipulates my emotions (irritates me)
* is not very rational * contains no truth * offers NO scientific evidence * doesn't communicate information in a trusworthy fashion.
True that when we burn fossil fuels that we are just putting it back where it came from. However, in geologic time scales, we are putting it back all at once. That is the problem. We are taking large stores of C02 that took millions of years to be created and extracting it and pumping into the atmosphere in the blink of an eye.
It's like we are feeding the atmosphere a giant spicy beef burrito - we are unfortunately going to find out the hard way what will come out the other end.
Think about it like this: Do the Rocky Mountains stop the wind? Do all the buildings, trees, hills, bushes, cliffs all around the world take "energy away" from the atmosphere? Well, technically speaking, yes. But that is like saying that throwing a ping-pong ball at running elephant takes away energy from the elephants forward momentum.
Additionally, it doesn't matter anyway - because even if there were some loss - it's a 100% renewable resource.
Wind is just the atmosphere moving because of heat fluctuations generated by the Sun (and indirectly from the heat stored and released by the oceans in various forms).
The amount of wind energy in the atmosphere is enormous. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 10^13 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a single hurricane.
So even if you covered all the continents with windmills, there would be no detectable negative effects.
Now didn't Kim Il Jong or whatever see Wargames!? He should know that the only way to win a nuclear war is not to play. Do you think George W. Bush saw Wargames and learned this valuable lesson?
Probably not. It came out in theatres in 1983, so he was probably at a party all coked up with a scotch in his hand dressed like Crocket from Miami Vice that year.
I think W and Kim need to go down to Blockbuster and rent the DVD this weekend and sort this thing out.
May I add, MrWa, that the other opinion the US's preemptive strike policy has solidified is that if you are going to get invaded, don't try to battle the US during the initial invasion. Let their troops invade, and settle in, nice and quite. Infact, make them think they are even welcome.
Then, simply carry out sporadic, guerilla/terroist warfare tactics indefinitely. Create enough anarchy and chaos and there is nothing their attempts of control can accomplish. Hey, if it was good enough for the Americans in the movie Red Dawn, it's good enough for Iraqis in Baghdad.
Of course to prevent the US from invading your country in the first place, make sure you set up shop on land that doesn't have any oil reserves. The US will most likely leave you alone as long as you don't attack any one else.
The U.S. official said the cloud could be the result of a forest fire.
Ok, fine. The $64,000 question then: Is there in fact a forest fire?
Are they trying to tell us they don't infrared satellite imaging technology with some crack team of IR image analysts to draw some sort of definitive conclusion??? Because if it was a nuclear blast, we have a right to know.
I mean, to quote some anonymous 'US Official' as saying it 'could' be the result of some hypothetical means nothing. Well, certainly, it could be the result of any number of things, but why would a forest fire cloud make the news 2 days after the fact?
There are dozens of forest fires going on all over the world at any given moment. So for some "large mushroom cloud" to make the news 2 days after it happens only to have a US official give some limp wristed cover story should be insulting to the intelligence of all of us.
It's bad enough that North Korea keeps their people in the dark about national events, but for our own country to do so is pretty depressing.
Oligoncicella, you wow me with your exacting logic and mind expanding spin.
I'm faced the with the choice of wasting the next 10 minutes trying to point out to you the complete and utter weakness of your post, but I'd like to hope that it is readily apparent and hence, unnecessary. That, and I've got less important things to do like just let others know they are not alone when they feel their IQ drop a few points by reading your comment.
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You brought up some good points. I'm just playing the Devil's advocate here...just for sake of discussion:
This would useful for finding people in a burning building full of smoke... and once the targets have been acquired, neutralize them.
Or imagine putting it onto a car as a warning system in heavy fog that you're approaching an obstacle too fast... or taking advantage of a dust storm and locating the enemy before he can locate you.
Same with planes... same reason, faster visual target acquisition is an advantage.
the internet was a defense project... that could allow us to maintain communication after a nuclear strike which is necessary if orders for a counter-strike are no be disemminated
So was GPS... to guide precision munitions to targets to increase kill ratios
So was radar... to detect any and all potential aerial and sea going enemy targets
"We dont need this" - we don't need you and your cluelessness... nor your innocence.
Just wanted let you know that there is always a way technology can be used by the military that is related to killing people. Especially if the military is involved in it's development.
Dick Cheney's secret Energy group (who are the members)
CIA - Tenet's "slam dunk" intelligence source on Iraq's WMD (who fabricated that intelligence - afterall, it wasn't real)
White House - who outed the CIA agent
FBI & John Ashcroft - why is Sibel Edmond's testimony being "re-classified" after 2 years of being in public domain
Halliburton - wait, maybe we shouldn't. We don't want to break the camera...
Are you trying to be: A. Offtopic B. Troll C. Flamebait D. A little from A and a little from B?
Porn? It's more like Surgery, I think.
Porn is like when the CD tray "ejects" a CD in your girlfriends face, or you "insert" a 3.5"er firmly into the warm, purring disc drive.
Woko - these links are awesome! Thanks.
On top of the very interesting POVs on the main blog, I loved this photo of Iraqi kids at a LAN party playing COUNTER-STRIKE.
Even in war-torn Baghdad, gamers unite!! Very cool.
Yikes.
*MUTE*
If Bush could just loose the smirk when he talks about war, I would probably loose the urge to bitch-slap him.
Ohhhh, please. You mean you didn't understand "...cities that grow like viruses" to mean:
- "cities that infect the environment and force the environment to produce more of the city- generally wrecking the environment in the process."
Because...that's how I understood what he was saying.My point is that I actually enjoy that part of finding the tracks and placing the needle down and hearing the pops and crackle. Sure there is more work envolved, but it's part of the interactive experience. It demands your attention, like a pet. The vinyl record has character; no other record sounds quite like yours. The regular spinning and imperfections repeating at 33 1/3 feel biological in nature, like a heart beat.
Sure, digital is perfect, but humans are not, so I feel like my evolutionary ties are a little closer to our analog beasts.
I wouldn't worry about it - the amount of land these wind farms would occupy is far less than the amount of land consumed by suburbia. And your right, cleaner air and cheaper electricity is very worth it.
- * manipulates my emotions (irritates me)
Let me guess, you got an F in debate?* is not very rational
* contains no truth
* offers NO scientific evidence
* doesn't communicate information in a trusworthy fashion.
True that when we burn fossil fuels that we are just putting it back where it came from. However, in geologic time scales, we are putting it back all at once. That is the problem. We are taking large stores of C02 that took millions of years to be created and extracting it and pumping into the atmosphere in the blink of an eye.
It's like we are feeding the atmosphere a giant spicy beef burrito - we are unfortunately going to find out the hard way what will come out the other end.
The heat generated by the TV is cancelled by your brain cooling from TV's mind numbing effects.
I'm all for selectively breeding shorter people as well. Anyone over 5'3" is just slowing down the atmosphere from 'a blowin' freely!
Think about it like this: Do the Rocky Mountains stop the wind? Do all the buildings, trees, hills, bushes, cliffs all around the world take "energy away" from the atmosphere? Well, technically speaking, yes. But that is like saying that throwing a ping-pong ball at running elephant takes away energy from the elephants forward momentum.
Additionally, it doesn't matter anyway - because even if there were some loss - it's a 100% renewable resource.
Wind is just the atmosphere moving because of heat fluctuations generated by the Sun (and indirectly from the heat stored and released by the oceans in various forms).
The amount of wind energy in the atmosphere is enormous. According to the 1993 World Almanac, the entire human race used energy at a rate of 10^13 watts in 1990, a rate less than 20% of the power of a single hurricane.
So even if you covered all the continents with windmills, there would be no detectable negative effects.
Damn it!!!
Now didn't Kim Il Jong or whatever see Wargames!? He should know that the only way to win a nuclear war is not to play. Do you think George W. Bush saw Wargames and learned this valuable lesson?
Probably not. It came out in theatres in 1983, so he was probably at a party all coked up with a scotch in his hand dressed like Crocket from Miami Vice that year.
I think W and Kim need to go down to Blockbuster and rent the DVD this weekend and sort this thing out.
May I add, MrWa,
that the other opinion the US's preemptive strike policy has solidified is that if you are going to get invaded, don't try to battle the US during the initial invasion. Let their troops invade, and settle in, nice and quite. Infact, make them think they are even welcome.
Then, simply carry out sporadic, guerilla/terroist warfare tactics indefinitely. Create enough anarchy and chaos and there is nothing their attempts of control can accomplish. Hey, if it was good enough for the Americans in the movie Red Dawn, it's good enough for Iraqis in Baghdad.
Of course to prevent the US from invading your country in the first place, make sure you set up shop on land that doesn't have any oil reserves. The US will most likely leave you alone as long as you don't attack any one else.
Feel better? Good. Let's all go to McDonalds!
Are they trying to tell us they don't infrared satellite imaging technology with some crack team of IR image analysts to draw some sort of definitive conclusion??? Because if it was a nuclear blast, we have a right to know.
I mean, to quote some anonymous 'US Official' as saying it 'could' be the result of some hypothetical means nothing. Well, certainly, it could be the result of any number of things, but why would a forest fire cloud make the news 2 days after the fact?
There are dozens of forest fires going on all over the world at any given moment. So for some "large mushroom cloud" to make the news 2 days after it happens only to have a US official give some limp wristed cover story should be insulting to the intelligence of all of us.
It's bad enough that North Korea keeps their people in the dark about national events, but for our own country to do so is pretty depressing.
Oligoncicella, you wow me with your exacting logic and mind expanding spin.
I'm faced the with the choice of wasting the next 10 minutes trying to point out to you the complete and utter weakness of your post, but I'd like to hope that it is readily apparent and hence, unnecessary. That, and I've got less important things to do like just let others know they are not alone when they feel their IQ drop a few points by reading your comment.