My experience is opposite: Thunderbird takes half the time of Outlook Express to start up on my machine.
Anyway, it's sad you use that virus magnet called Outlook on your work computer.
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Slashdot may be Linux biased on articles that are approved. But, if you read the comments, you'll reach the conclusion that most readers are Windows (l)users.
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Roberto's listening test has a serious flaw: the Real codec used was Cook, instead of ATRAC. ATRAC is much better than Cook.
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That test uses RealAudio 8. It would be interesting to do the same test with RealAudio 10.
And you forgot to mention what ogg/mp3 have to offer to rival the multi-bitrate stream capability of Real's formats.
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I am afraid but you are completly wrong. RealAudio beats ogg/mp3 in every aspect, and by far. You need to show us a listening test that tells the opposite. If you have a good hi-fi equipment, use this page as a starting point for your own listening tests.
Regarding spyware, that story is so old it doesn't make any sense nowadays. Also Real Player for Linux doesn't show any ads...
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nothing beats a streaming ogg/mp3 site for radio/music/audible-content in general
Actually, RealAudio beats ogg/mp3 in every aspect, ranging from bandwitdh usage (RealAudio has a much better compression ration than ogg/mp3) to advanced stuff like broadcasting a stream encoded in several different bitrates. Real Player is able to switch to a higher or lower bitrate while it is playing, according to network congestion or other factors. With RealMedia you can also use SMIL to broadcast text (with song titles, for example), or images. You can't get any of this with ogg/mp3.
At the moment, any attempt to use the menus causes a hard lockup of XP. Not just the client, the entire desktop.
Are you sure you have the latest drivers for your graphics card installed?
And, by the way, why are you using XP? Have you heard of another operating system who's name starts with an L?...
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That's because you have, at least, average intelligence. Most guys who write comments on Slashdot have an IQ bellow 90. That's why they report all sort of problems with Real Player.
Actually, on the technical side, it has not been surpassed by any other solution, neither on Linux nor on any other platform. Real has the best codecs and the most advanced features for streaming media.
Real Player for Linux doesn't have that problem...
Oh well, I forgot it was YAWL (Yet Another Windows Luser) reading Slashdot...
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Real Player for Linux has never pissed me off...
And while Real continues to make the best and most interoperable streaming media technology available, I will continue to use their products.
Every tip is for Windows software.
Slashdot is infested with Windows lusers...
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Multicast is excellent for streaming on local networks. You can use high bitrate content without saturating the network.
Real has multicast support on all its players.
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I haven't seen a company so violently bashed on Slashdot as Real Networks. In comparison, Microsoft is extremely well treated. This is odd. After all, Real always paid attention to Linux. How many proprietary software company do you know who have versions of their products for:
Linux x86
Linux Alpha
Linux PPC
Linux Sparc
FreeBSD
... a bunch of other Unix variants
Apple and Microsoft don't even have a player for Linux x86!
Real makes players, servers and encoders for Linux. That should deserve a lot more respect from Slashdot users. Ok, wait, I forgot most guys on Slashdot are joe Win users...
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Maybe you should apply for CEO at Real Networks since you seem to really know "how to run a tech company".
The latest version of Qtopia comes with significant performance improvements. Read more:
http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00 000137.html
Or you can translate: "Take our fine code and use it to make your own software better".
That is possible, just like other projects are using Mozilla code.
Like I wrote before, it's not a question of how many formats it supports. Helix is also capable of playing, encoding and serving proprietary formats like WM and Quicktime if just someone writes a plugin for it. And the plugin architecture of Helix is very clean: just drop the plugin file in a directory and use it.
Helix has got a much more advanced streaming technology. It can get/send streams by TCP, UDP and HTTP. It supports multi-bitrate streams (a single stream can be encoded in more than one bit rate). The player has better buffering. And it supports something than neither Xine or MPlayer have ever dreamed of: markup and scripting with SMIL, RealText and RealPix.
What do you mean "there are no codecs"?
You have got Ogg, you can use the binary Real Media codecs, and you can write a plugin for any other format you want.
But codecs are not the most important thing in a project like this. The core code that deals with streaming is more important, and what I hope other projects understand how valuable this Helix project really is.
It's not a question of "how many formats" it supports. When evaluated in terms of streaming media capabilities, MPlayer and Xine are a joke compared with Helix Player.
Real Video 9 is probably the best video codec nowadays (along with VP6).
And if you want interoperability, Real is still the way to go. There is no other format for streaming media where all the following applies:
Streaming server running on Linux
Encoder running on Linux
Players for Linux (including Alpha, PowerPC and IA32 architectures) and a few other Unix-type systems: Solaris, AIX, IRIX, Mac OS X.
Server and players capable of understanding SMIL
Plus, most of the server, encoder and player code is open-source (except the GUI). I have already compiled it, and it works great.
And people who really understand about streaming media know that MPEG4 is no alternative, yet.
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Anyway, it's sad you use that virus magnet called Outlook on your work computer.
Slashdot may be Linux biased on articles that are approved. But, if you read the comments, you'll reach the conclusion that most readers are Windows (l)users.
Roberto's listening test has a serious flaw: the Real codec used was Cook, instead of ATRAC. ATRAC is much better than Cook.
And you forgot to mention what ogg/mp3 have to offer to rival the multi-bitrate stream capability of Real's formats.
Regarding spyware, that story is so old it doesn't make any sense nowadays. Also Real Player for Linux doesn't show any ads...
Actually, RealAudio beats ogg/mp3 in every aspect, ranging from bandwitdh usage (RealAudio has a much better compression ration than ogg/mp3) to advanced stuff like broadcasting a stream encoded in several different bitrates. Real Player is able to switch to a higher or lower bitrate while it is playing, according to network congestion or other factors. With RealMedia you can also use SMIL to broadcast text (with song titles, for example), or images. You can't get any of this with ogg/mp3.
Are you sure you have the latest drivers for your graphics card installed?
And, by the way, why are you using XP? Have you heard of another operating system who's name starts with an L?...
That's because you have, at least, average intelligence. Most guys who write comments on Slashdot have an IQ bellow 90. That's why they report all sort of problems with Real Player.
Actually, on the technical side, it has not been surpassed by any other solution, neither on Linux nor on any other platform. Real has the best codecs and the most advanced features for streaming media.
Real Player for Linux doesn't have that problem...
Oh well, I forgot it was YAWL (Yet Another Windows Luser) reading Slashdot...
Real Player for Linux has never pissed me off...
And while Real continues to make the best and most interoperable streaming media technology available, I will continue to use their products.
Every tip is for Windows software.
Slashdot is infested with Windows lusers...
Multicast is excellent for streaming on local networks. You can use high bitrate content without saturating the network.
Real has multicast support on all its players.
- Linux x86
- Linux Alpha
- Linux PPC
- Linux Sparc
- FreeBSD
- ... a bunch of other Unix variants
Apple and Microsoft don't even have a player for Linux x86!Real makes players, servers and encoders for Linux. That should deserve a lot more respect from Slashdot users. Ok, wait, I forgot most guys on Slashdot are joe Win users...
Maybe you should apply for CEO at Real Networks since you seem to really know "how to run a tech company".
That's not true, as you may see here.
The latest version of Qtopia comes with significant performance improvements. Read more: http://www.trolltech.com/newsroom/announcements/00 000137.html
Or you can translate: "Take our fine code and use it to make your own software better".
That is possible, just like other projects are using Mozilla code.
Helix has got a much more advanced streaming technology. It can get/send streams by TCP, UDP and HTTP. It supports multi-bitrate streams (a single stream can be encoded in more than one bit rate). The player has better buffering. And it supports something than neither Xine or MPlayer have ever dreamed of: markup and scripting with SMIL, RealText and RealPix.
You have got Ogg, you can use the binary Real Media codecs, and you can write a plugin for any other format you want.
But codecs are not the most important thing in a project like this. The core code that deals with streaming is more important, and what I hope other projects understand how valuable this Helix project really is.
It's not a question of "how many formats" it supports. When evaluated in terms of streaming media capabilities, MPlayer and Xine are a joke compared with Helix Player.
You are late... Their plataform already supports Ogg.
And if you want interoperability, Real is still the way to go. There is no other format for streaming media where all the following applies:
- Streaming server running on Linux
- Encoder running on Linux
- Players for Linux (including Alpha, PowerPC and IA32 architectures) and a few other Unix-type systems: Solaris, AIX, IRIX, Mac OS X.
- Server and players capable of understanding SMIL
Plus, most of the server, encoder and player code is open-source (except the GUI). I have already compiled it, and it works great.And people who really understand about streaming media know that MPEG4 is no alternative, yet.