The comparison isn't quite valid. You are looking at short term costs, but you neglect the long term costs. A business will factor in things like what it will cost to replace the VPS every 3 years. If your system isn't up to snuff in a year or two, have you put enough aside to replace it? Lets say a new system will cost you $450. That means you need to add $150 per year to factor that in. As some others have said, you ignore the network costs. There is a cost (maybe to you it is intangible) for using your home network. You can say it doesn't cost, but the cost is not $0. Maybe 10% is a better number. Anyways, these are the kinds of things that commercial companies grapple with in the pricing models.
This controversy has been settled in law for a long time.
"The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1908 and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. Â 109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end once that copy is sold, as long as no additional copies are made. This doctrine is also referred to as the "first sale rule" or "exhaustion rule."
Why doesn't someone write a story about being a long time Linux/Unix user and going back to Windows for 2 weeks? I doubt I'd last the week without grep, bash or ssh. Doesn't it seem rather one-sided that Windows-centric people are evaluating Linux? Why not some Linux people evaluating Windows?
As for me, you can have my Linux when you pry it from my dead cold hands.
If you ever tried to restore a several Tb filesys, you'd know why I don't do that.
Yes, I am perfectly aware of tunefs. I stand corrected on the required fsck, but its required as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate the replies that say the fsck will be much faster.
One of my biggest beefs with ext3 in the data center is the required fsck periodically. Redhat won't support jfs or xfs (which I can get from CentOs) but some vendors won't support anything that isn't on their supported platform list (IBM Clearcase for one).
So is ext4 going to force a fsck at boot, which takes 1/2 a day with ext3 on some of my multi-Tb systems? Will Redhat finally adopt a better server filesystem? These are the questions that some of us doing professional Redhat support are asking.
Actually they have found underground copper piping used by the Egyptians thousands of years old. If copper was so fragile, there would be no copper to be found there.
Copper can be used underground and was used for many years for water supplies.
As noted in the articles, very few Ph and ground conditions can corrode copper, hence I object to the absolute ban of copper in the previous reply.
And yes copper is more expensive. But most plastics (PVC) cannot be used with refrigerants, so given a choice of metal pipes, copper makes sense in certain soil conditions.
With certain precautions, copper is the way to go in DX systems. I do agree with most of the above replies that closed loop is good too. I think that you have to weigh the intended use against the pros and cons, then select the best system for that application.
This technology has been around for some time, but it fails to generate much PR. You can get a measley $8000 US federal tax credit for installing one. A few enlightened states (not mine) will give you some additional tax credits for installing one.
The expensive part seems to be drilling the earth and laying the hose. However, what they fail to mention is that once its installed, it will last 50+ years.
The parent also mentions open and closed loop, but fail to talk about direct exchange aka DX, which would make more sense for a lot of people.
"The direct exchange (DX) system is a series of copper tubes buried 4 to 6 feet below ground level. Refrigerant gas is then fed through these tubes creating a direct heat exchange between the temperature of the ground and the heat transfer medium, which in this case is the refrigerant gas. Because of this direct exchange feature these systems operate at considerably less operating cost than water source systems and because they do not require the additional water pumping cost and, DX does not suffer the heating or cooling loss associated with transferring the water temperature to the refrigerant as is common with these systems. DX is also cheaper and easier to install as it requires no well drilling or plumbing costs. As copper is a more efficient heat transfer medium than PVC pipe as found in water source, trenching costs are less due to less ground mass being required by DX."
What most people, including the parent of this thread, don't understand is that NASA and other federal R&D facilities do is fuel our economy.
Many people here on/. work in the IT field. Well you can thank NASA for the Beowulf Cluster. NASA also worked with industry to make cordless drills, CAT Scans, digital thermometers, welder's goggles and thousands of other products.
The comments you make are your personal opinions based on your experience. Just because you don't have the same experiences that I do, it doesn't make it wrong. You know, it is possible to agree to disagree.
Brett, as the author of the parent, I am asking a hypothetical question, and pointing out an obvious (to me at least) potential misuse. I attributed Lauren, and included a link to his content. The readers here can see for themselves that Rogers is inserting content into the stream not provided by Google. I am sure more possible abuses exist that we have not considered. For example's sake, would you like a spammer hijacking your content injection server? How about someone operating a botnet forcing your users to download postcard.exe?
As an ISP, you may have valuable insight into this process. However to call my post inaccurate and inflammatory is plain wrong. As a writer, you know to attribute sources. I did so. The reader has the opportunity and ability to see the source materials referenced. There is nothing inaccurate or inflammatory here. As far as the catagory goes, I didn't see a "Rogers-inserts-friendly-service-message" entry in the pull-down. Sometimes we just have to make a choice.
On a personal note, I find that ISPs believing they have the right to alter my web experience disturbing. While the TOS from the ISP may say otherwise, I feel that a social contract and obligation exists on the part of the ISP to provide good service and do no harm to end users. I feel that content/context injection violates this contract.
ISPs in general make stupid assumptions regarding end users. For example, many ISPs cast a blind eye to Linux users, and force us to boot into a Windows partition to get past the first tier support person. Of course everyone on the Internet uses IE, and has Word installed. If an ISP doesn't understand its customers, how can it make intelligent choices regarding traffic management?
If your reason for liking this method is to contact your customers, why are you bothering? You have many options from terminating service to forcing them to a page of your choice. Even a META refresh or a 301 redirect appears to me to be more ethical than injecting traffic on to a 3rd party website.
Perhaps IBM is doing this as a tool against Microsoft and their friends. Wouldn't it be cool for IBM to claim patent infringement against MS when they use that tactic against someone?
You all are missing the point. It is already a law in florida where he lives. All he wants is enforcement of the law. If you don't like the law, get it changed by legal means. Calling someone a lunatic for enforcement of a law that has passed the legislative body is stupid.
We don't let kids rent pr0n or see X rated movies either. I don't see the difference. I fully support MS's and Best Buy's right to produce and sell. However, as a parent, I should have the right to veto what my child can see and do until he is 18.
If anyone bothered to read his lawsuit, he is not out to ban the game. What he wants is MS and Best Buy to not sell it to anyone under 18. As a parent, I can respect that.
After all, they say, how can using a unique fingerprint for identification be riskier to theft than a plastic card, key chain token, or account number?...The fingerprint image recorded is not the same as those collected by the federal government or law enforcement.
For starters, you only have 10 fingers. If a password is stolen, you can reset your password. How do you reset a fingerprint for cripes sake?
Other people have already talked about using fake fingers to fake out the readers. However, the fingerprint is converted by the reader into a string of binary digits. If you know what you are looking for, you can steal someone's fingerprint over the network....tcpdump anyone? Now how hard would a replay attack be?
Just say no to biometrics, unless they are used with strong encryption, or other multi-factor authentication.
Oh, just in case someone thinks this is just someone's fantasy, they have the readers installed near my house. Fingerprint readers at Farm Fresh.
Most companies that have large call centers (places where you call gets routed to) are answered by a teleservices company. I assume that AOL is no different.
Teleservices companies are given a script that the poor guy/gal on the phone has to read. Based on the responses from the customer they are given more stuff to read. It goes on like this until the customer hangs up or the person hits the end of the script.
So who writes or approves the script? AOL. Don't blame the poor CSR (customer service rep), as they are just doing what they are paid to do.
it seems like we're back to just complaining about NASA's ineffectiveness.
Most people don't understand NASA. NASA does what most other people think is impossible. I'm sorry if it takes a little longer.
And it takes longer because Congress decides how much money NASA gets, in large part, from year to year. Would you buy a new car or new house if you don't know if you can make the payments next year?
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The comparison isn't quite valid. You are looking at short term costs, but you neglect the long term costs. A business will factor in things like what it will cost to replace the VPS every 3 years. If your system isn't up to snuff in a year or two, have you put enough aside to replace it? Lets say a new system will cost you $450. That means you need to add $150 per year to factor that in. As some others have said, you ignore the network costs. There is a cost (maybe to you it is intangible) for using your home network. You can say it doesn't cost, but the cost is not $0. Maybe 10% is a better number. Anyways, these are the kinds of things that commercial companies grapple with in the pricing models.
This controversy has been settled in law for a long time.
"The first-sale doctrine is a limitation on copyright that was recognized by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1908 and subsequently codified in the Copyright Act of 1976, 17 U.S.C. Â 109. The doctrine allows the purchaser to transfer (i.e., sell or give away) a particular lawfully made copy of the copyrighted work without permission once it has been obtained. This means that the copyright holder's rights to control the change of ownership of a particular copy end once that copy is sold, as long as no additional copies are made. This doctrine is also referred to as the "first sale rule" or "exhaustion rule."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
Get a lawyer.
There are many top engineering schools that are not in MA or CA. Yes, they are prominent, but there are many more in other states.
http://grad-schools.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/rankings
Why doesn't someone write a story about being a long time Linux/Unix user and going back to Windows for 2 weeks? I doubt I'd last the week without grep, bash or ssh. Doesn't it seem rather one-sided that Windows-centric people are evaluating Linux? Why not some Linux people evaluating Windows?
As for me, you can have my Linux when you pry it from my dead cold hands.
Its still old news, and the website I linked to has video and more on the OP.
https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1229445968
There are exceptions in the Federal Government (including DOD) that allows it.
Evidently, former President George "Stalin" Bush thought it was a good idea to expand the program.
http://antipolygraph.org/blog/?p=212
http://antipolygraph.org/lie-behind-the-lie-detector.pdf
We've known the truth for years. Polygraphs are inadmissible in court for good reasons.
If you ever tried to restore a several Tb filesys, you'd know why I don't do that.
Yes, I am perfectly aware of tunefs. I stand corrected on the required fsck, but its required as far as I'm concerned. I appreciate the replies that say the fsck will be much faster.
One of my biggest beefs with ext3 in the data center is the required fsck periodically. Redhat won't support jfs or xfs (which I can get from CentOs) but some vendors won't support anything that isn't on their supported platform list (IBM Clearcase for one).
So is ext4 going to force a fsck at boot, which takes 1/2 a day with ext3 on some of my multi-Tb systems? Will Redhat finally adopt a better server filesystem? These are the questions that some of us doing professional Redhat support are asking.
Actually they have found underground copper piping used by the Egyptians thousands of years old. If copper was so fragile, there would be no copper to be found there.
Copper can be used underground and was used for many years for water supplies.
http://www.masterplumbers.com/plumbviews/1999/copper.asp
http://www.copper.com.au/cdc/article.asp?CID=58&AID=264
As noted in the articles, very few Ph and ground conditions can corrode copper, hence I object to the absolute ban of copper in the previous reply.
And yes copper is more expensive. But most plastics (PVC) cannot be used with refrigerants, so given a choice of metal pipes, copper makes sense in certain soil conditions.
With certain precautions, copper is the way to go in DX systems. I do agree with most of the above replies that closed loop is good too. I think that you have to weigh the intended use against the pros and cons, then select the best system for that application.
Ooops... typo in above post... It should be $2000 USD.
This technology has been around for some time, but it fails to generate much PR. You can get a measley $8000 US federal tax credit for installing one. A few enlightened states (not mine) will give you some additional tax credits for installing one.
The expensive part seems to be drilling the earth and laying the hose. However, what they fail to mention is that once its installed, it will last 50+ years.
The parent also mentions open and closed loop, but fail to talk about direct exchange aka DX, which would make more sense for a lot of people.
From http://www.geoenergyusa.com/technology.htm
"The direct exchange (DX) system is a series of copper tubes buried 4 to 6 feet below ground level. Refrigerant gas is then fed through these tubes creating a direct heat exchange between the temperature of the ground and the heat transfer medium, which in this case is the refrigerant gas. Because of this direct exchange feature these systems operate at considerably less operating cost than water source systems and because they do not require the additional water pumping cost and, DX does not suffer the heating or cooling loss associated with transferring the water temperature to the refrigerant as is common with these systems. DX is also cheaper and easier to install as it requires no well drilling or plumbing costs. As copper is a more efficient heat transfer medium than PVC pipe as found in water source, trenching costs are less due to less ground mass being required by DX."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CO_xM5gV48
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P0Z1Pa_Vvc
What most people, including the parent of this thread, don't understand is that NASA and other federal R&D facilities do is fuel our economy.
/. work in the IT field. Well you can thank NASA for the Beowulf Cluster. NASA also worked with industry to make cordless drills, CAT Scans, digital thermometers, welder's goggles and thousands of other products.
Many people here on
Don't take my word for it.
http://www.beowulf.org/overview/history.html
http://space.about.com/od/toolsequipment/ss/apollospinoffs.htm
http://er.jsc.nasa.gov/seh/spinoff.html
Engage brain before moving mouth.
If you RTFA, this decision was handed down by the Va Supreme. Unless you can file a federal action, this case law is binding in Va.
Brett,
The comments you make are your personal opinions based on your experience. Just because you don't have the same experiences that I do, it doesn't make it wrong. You know, it is possible to agree to disagree.
Brett, as the author of the parent, I am asking a hypothetical question, and pointing out an obvious (to me at least) potential misuse. I attributed Lauren, and included a link to his content. The readers here can see for themselves that Rogers is inserting content into the stream not provided by Google. I am sure more possible abuses exist that we have not considered. For example's sake, would you like a spammer hijacking your content injection server? How about someone operating a botnet forcing your users to download postcard.exe?
As an ISP, you may have valuable insight into this process. However to call my post inaccurate and inflammatory is plain wrong. As a writer, you know to attribute sources. I did so. The reader has the opportunity and ability to see the source materials referenced. There is nothing inaccurate or inflammatory here. As far as the catagory goes, I didn't see a "Rogers-inserts-friendly-service-message" entry in the pull-down. Sometimes we just have to make a choice.
On a personal note, I find that ISPs believing they have the right to alter my web experience disturbing. While the TOS from the ISP may say otherwise, I feel that a social contract and obligation exists on the part of the ISP to provide good service and do no harm to end users. I feel that content/context injection violates this contract.
ISPs in general make stupid assumptions regarding end users. For example, many ISPs cast a blind eye to Linux users, and force us to boot into a Windows partition to get past the first tier support person. Of course everyone on the Internet uses IE, and has Word installed. If an ISP doesn't understand its customers, how can it make intelligent choices regarding traffic management?
If your reason for liking this method is to contact your customers, why are you bothering? You have many options from terminating service to forcing them to a page of your choice. Even a META refresh or a 301 redirect appears to me to be more ethical than injecting traffic on to a 3rd party website.
'Happy New Year' worm fizzles out
What is a 301 Server Redirect?
Meta Refresh Tag
Perhaps IBM is doing this as a tool against Microsoft and their friends. Wouldn't it be cool for IBM to claim patent infringement against MS when they use that tactic against someone?
You all are missing the point. It is already a law in florida where he lives. All he wants is enforcement of the law. If you don't like the law, get it changed by legal means. Calling someone a lunatic for enforcement of a law that has passed the legislative body is stupid.
We don't let kids rent pr0n or see X rated movies either. I don't see the difference. I fully support MS's and Best Buy's right to produce and sell. However, as a parent, I should have the right to veto what my child can see and do until he is 18.
If anyone bothered to read his lawsuit, he is not out to ban the game. What he wants is MS and Best Buy to not sell it to anyone under 18. As a parent, I can respect that.
1. Do you stand by the contents of your report?
2. Do you know what DHCP is?
3. Could you explain how a IP address is assigned on the public internet?
4. Did you see definitive evidence that the IP address recorded by Mediasentry was the same IP address used by the defendant's computer?
5. In your report, you state that you do not believe that the hard drive you analyzed was involved in copyright infringement. Correct?
6. In your expert opinion, is it possible that the defendant's computer was not involved in copyright infringement?
From the article:
...The fingerprint image recorded is not the same as those collected by the federal government or law enforcement.
After all, they say, how can using a unique fingerprint for identification be riskier to theft than a plastic card, key chain token, or account number?
For starters, you only have 10 fingers. If a password is stolen, you can reset your password. How do you reset a fingerprint for cripes sake?
Other people have already talked about using fake fingers to fake out the readers. However, the fingerprint is converted by the reader into a string of binary digits. If you know what you are looking for, you can steal someone's fingerprint over the network....tcpdump anyone? Now how hard would a replay attack be?
Just say no to biometrics, unless they are used with strong encryption, or other multi-factor authentication.
Oh, just in case someone thinks this is just someone's fantasy, they have the readers installed near my house. Fingerprint readers at Farm Fresh.
Most companies that have large call centers (places where you call gets routed to) are answered by a teleservices company. I assume that AOL is no different.
Teleservices companies are given a script that the poor guy/gal on the phone has to read. Based on the responses from the customer they are given more stuff to read. It goes on like this until the customer hangs up or the person hits the end of the script.
So who writes or approves the script? AOL. Don't blame the poor CSR (customer service rep), as they are just doing what they are paid to do.
I will embedment thee, wench!
it seems like we're back to just complaining about NASA's ineffectiveness.
Most people don't understand NASA. NASA does what most other people think is impossible. I'm sorry if it takes a little longer.
And it takes longer because Congress decides how much money NASA gets, in large part, from year to year. Would you buy a new car or new house if you don't know if you can make the payments next year?
And lastly, many of NASA's projects go on for decades. NASA had a big involvement with the development of the F-22 Raptor, designed the variable-sweep wing on the F-14, the hypersonic X-43, which made the world speed record, and has a sucessful Mars program. Now how many private companies would be willing to take these projects on, when most people think it couldn't be done?