You should be concerned about what might happen if you & GF split up and she's your employee. That could be a real nasty situation and should probably be your main concern hiring a GF.
If the U.S. get's away with this it will be because the Australian courts let them.
You can't blame the U.S. for trying, but the blame ultimately will lie at the doorstep of the Australian government and judicial system if they manage to extradite the guy.
Of course there is no frikin way he should be extradited, this is just nuts. If the law doesn't cover it then change the law, but foreign citizens should not have to be concerned about U.S. law in any way shape of form.
Yes but there are other missions and a slipping schedule thanks to no launches. In addition that $150M doesn't include the payload. Ane just so we're clear $150M is a frikin massive sum for a telescope service, and huge for a space launch.
Now we can safely call SCO execs liars. It also means that SCO execs may have been caught lying to the Feds, and as Martha discovered we all know what that means.
This may ultimately prove to be one of the more significant developments in this sordid case when it comes down to any criminal investigation.
I do agree that decomissioning it before the gyros fail is insane and it should be left to take it's chances on reentry, however, the Hubble is hugely expensive and has cost over a billion dollars. Ongoing servicing ad nauseum was not in the initial plan and frankly I'd rather spend the cash elsewhere.
You could build a better ground based telescope with adaptive optics today for a billion bucks.
Service missions to Hubble are crazy given the astronomical launch costs for Shuttle missions.
Can we pause the crazy gung-ho keep Hubble serviced calls long enough to consider the insane cost these missions to maintain one telescope.
Keep Hubble until the gyros fail. Don't spend a fortune on some nutty mission to guide it back on reentry and get working on Hubble 2 (with NO manned service missions) Then you'd have a plan that made sense.
The incremental science from keeping Hubble in Orbit is not very convincing given the costs and risks of the missions.
Nope, the U.S. Army and many federal agencies have always had a policy like this. They won't even let you buy them lunch if you're a contractor etc. I think the value limit of anything they can accept is something like $10.
WTF does this have to do with Bush? You need to get over your anti-Americanism.
It ain't a first strike and yes it may be a dumb idea, it would very much depend on the nature of the counter attack.
Let's remember that it is a counter attack first and foremost. If it can be done then it hits systems which have been owned, potentially wreaking havoc with the innocent although the innocent who were irresponsible enough to let their system participate in a DDoS attack.
I expect in the US this would be viewed as illegal by the courts and prosecution would follow, but we'll see.
If the counter attack was some kind of misguided high bandwidth DDoS in an of itself (I don't see how it could be practically) then it would be utterly insane and ISPs would be up in arms over this. There's no way that is going to fly.
I think we'll probably have to wait & see what happens. The countermeasures seem to include simple upstream blacklists but also mention a DDoS response, so this is going to get real interesting legally for anyone trying this.
The Patriot missile system failure did not cause the deaths. The SCUD missile caused the deaths. The Patriot shield failed, yes it was a serious failure but let's not get confused as to cause & effect here.
I'm not referring to the incident itself, I'm referring to the alleged persecution of geeks afterwards and the endless prose written here about that. The whole John Katz "Hellmouth" thing that ran for months here afterwards. If you don't know what I'm talking about just move along and save your comments. Look for John Katz & Hellmouth if you want to know the context of my remarks.
Developers have Microsoft Dev systems NOW. Microsoft has announced the hardware specs to all developers of the console, including amazing hardware details that nobody has revealed in public, not rumours, developers *know* what this system is going to be capable of and have dev kit either in hand on in the mail. Sony... well they have a product name and no announced dates and no dev kit. But I'm sure the BBC will be there to hype them when the PS3 finally arrives.
This kind of garbage should reflect poorly on the BBC, it let's the world know what has become of this "news" organization.
Misfits maybe but you can't have it both ways, you can't gripe about persecution after Columbine then gloat over your dysfunctional sociopath reputation when it suits you.
It hasn't been covered yet although I've submitted the article yesterday and it is still pending but the most significant development in the SCO debacle is here, this broke on Saturday, basically Opinder Bawa, SCO's senior VP in charge of technology and development has been advocating the use of the Unix ABI with Linux and linking to a downloadable module to help SCO's ABI work on Linux, both admitting that Linux is thoroughly incompatible while encouraging what they've been implying is infringing use. This is quite stunning considering that SCO has been implausibly claiming copyright over Linux ABI headers.
And of course groklaw has news today that the SEC may be taking an active interest in the Microsoft SCO relationship on various grounds.
Darl wouldn't be carrying a gun, but he would be locked behind bars where he belongs. When you attempt to hijack and subvert the work of thousands of others for your own unjust enrichment through a stream of falshoods and implausable legal proceedings you're a criminal in my book.
Hopefully jail will be McBride's ultimate fate. Crooks should be locked up and Darl McBride is a brazen example of one in my opinion.
OK so all that water is used, let's see.... where does the water go? Oh look it's mostly still water when you're done using it. And the environmental cost? What is it, the weight of materials "used" tells us nothing directly of that. These kinds of sensational articles are pretty useless. How much air was "used" by the employees who assembled the PC breathing?
The problem I have with this kind of nonsense is that making PCs keeps the economy going somewhere. Not making a PC has economic and social implications that are far reaching. Those resources getting consumed feeds millions of people down the supply chain and keeps the wheels of industry turning. Simply stopping that would not be a good thing.
This is one case where a good old fashoned legal reaming in the courts will handily take care of the issue.
EB needs to make restitution and pursue the thief themselves. They've basically acted as a fence in this case and now they're telling the victim to seek justice elsewhere. Well, EB sold the stolen property, and illegally too.
Look, do you really want apps running that tramp all over memory the shouldn't be touching? This is a GOOD THING. SP2 isn't breaking those apps, theyr'e already broken, you just don't know it yet.
Umm.. except he owns and built the thing he took away. Demanding compensation for delivering a thing or service you own is not extortion. It's called trade. The newspaper boy won't deliver newspapers to you if you stop paying him, is that extortion? Heck no!
On ballance this is blatant abuse of power by the Sherrif's office. The guy paid for the domain and ran if for 3 years for free. What you believe w.r.t. what was said about payment should be decided in a civil court. As it is the Sherrif is using their power to force the issue and screwing a guy who did them a favor for 3 years. The Sherrif is incredibly claiming that they were doing this guy a favor by letting him host their site. No, their site was chicken shit without this guy. He build it into the famous property it became and paid for the frikin domain. They should be ashamed of themselves for doing this to the guy. Now they have all his computer gear impounded and he has to arrange bail and hire a lawyer while faving multiple felony charges.
This Sherrif's office are scum, no two ways about it.
My knee was jerking furiously until I read your excellent post. I can rest easy now knowing that there's two sides to this story and we have another sensationalized/. article.
OK, I'll bite, what makes you so sure the energy will be released on impact? This would be essential for your theoretical weapon to work (although it is a practical impossibility anyway).
The chances are you'd wind up with a very deep rather small hole, a loud bang and some fireworks.
No, because launching from a suitable orbit is much less complex and risky than launching from the bottom of Moon's gravity well, with all that hard "ground" stuff below you waiting for your failure. A Mars mission would require a huge vehicle (probably vehicles). You're talking about a massive ammount of supplies, fuel etc and a complex mission. Landing all that hardware on the Moon only to take off again is just dumb.
He's right in that getting to Mars via the moon is utterly laughable, but he's wrong about keeping that multibillion dollar floating tin can of a boondoggle in orbit. The NASA bozos should never have blown billions on the ISS.
Maybe they could strap rockets to the ISS and use it as the human habitation section for a Mars mission. That'd get my vote and maybe even save a few billion on any Mars mission.
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You should be concerned about what might happen if you & GF split up and she's your employee. That could be a real nasty situation and should probably be your main concern hiring a GF.
If the U.S. get's away with this it will be because the Australian courts let them.
You can't blame the U.S. for trying, but the blame ultimately will lie at the doorstep of the Australian government and judicial system if they manage to extradite the guy.
Of course there is no frikin way he should be extradited, this is just nuts. If the law doesn't cover it then change the law, but foreign citizens should not have to be concerned about U.S. law in any way shape of form.
Ha ha ha. YOU think you'll avoid basic because they want you to code? Dream on.
Yes but there are other missions and a slipping schedule thanks to no launches. In addition that $150M doesn't include the payload. Ane just so we're clear $150M is a frikin massive sum for a telescope service, and huge for a space launch.
Now we can safely call SCO execs liars. It also means that SCO execs may have been caught lying to the Feds, and as Martha discovered we all know what that means.
This may ultimately prove to be one of the more significant developments in this sordid case when it comes down to any criminal investigation.
I do agree that decomissioning it before the gyros fail is insane and it should be left to take it's chances on reentry, however,
the Hubble is hugely expensive and has cost over a billion dollars. Ongoing servicing ad nauseum was not in the initial plan and frankly I'd rather spend the cash elsewhere.
You could build a better ground based telescope with adaptive optics today for a billion bucks.
Service missions to Hubble are crazy given the astronomical launch costs for Shuttle missions.
Can we pause the crazy gung-ho keep Hubble serviced calls long enough to consider the insane cost these missions to maintain one telescope.
Keep Hubble until the gyros fail. Don't spend a fortune on some nutty mission to guide it back on reentry and get working on Hubble 2 (with NO manned service missions) Then you'd have a plan that made sense.
The incremental science from keeping Hubble in Orbit is not very convincing given the costs and risks of the missions.
Nope, the U.S. Army and many federal agencies have always had a policy like this. They won't even let you buy them lunch if you're a contractor etc. I think the value limit of anything they can accept is something like $10.
WTF does this have to do with Bush? You need to get over your anti-Americanism.
It ain't a first strike and yes it may be a dumb idea, it would very much depend on the nature of the counter attack.
Let's remember that it is a counter attack first and foremost. If it can be done then it hits systems which have been owned, potentially wreaking havoc with the innocent although the innocent who were irresponsible enough to let their system participate in a DDoS attack.
I expect in the US this would be viewed as illegal by the courts and prosecution would follow, but we'll see.
If the counter attack was some kind of misguided high bandwidth DDoS in an of itself (I don't see how it could be practically) then it would be utterly insane and ISPs would be up in arms over this. There's no way that is going to fly.
I think we'll probably have to wait & see what happens. The countermeasures seem to include simple upstream blacklists but also mention a DDoS response, so this is going to get real interesting legally for anyone trying this.
Yes.
Actually no. Those are the facts fool. I'm a game developer I don't even own a console.
The Patriot missile system failure did not cause the deaths. The SCUD missile caused the deaths. The Patriot shield failed, yes it was a serious failure but let's not get confused as to cause & effect here.
I'm not referring to the incident itself, I'm referring to the alleged persecution of geeks afterwards and the endless prose written here about that. The whole John Katz "Hellmouth" thing that ran for months here afterwards. If you don't know what I'm talking about just move along and save your comments. Look for John Katz & Hellmouth if you want to know the context of my remarks.
Developers have Microsoft Dev systems NOW. Microsoft has announced the hardware specs to all developers of the console, including amazing hardware details that nobody has revealed in public, not rumours, developers *know* what this system is going to be capable of and have dev kit either in hand on in the mail. Sony... well they have a product name and no announced dates and no dev kit. But I'm sure the BBC will be there to hype them when the PS3 finally arrives.
This kind of garbage should reflect poorly on the BBC, it let's the world know what has become of this "news" organization.
Leave out the "we"s and speak for yourself.
... Riiiiight.
Coders are a bunch of badasses?
Misfits maybe but you can't have it both ways, you can't gripe about persecution after Columbine then gloat over your dysfunctional sociopath reputation when it suits you.
You ain't a gangster, up the Lithium dosage dude.
It hasn't been covered yet although I've submitted the article yesterday and it is still pending but the most significant development in the SCO debacle is here, this broke on Saturday, basically Opinder Bawa, SCO's senior VP in charge of technology and development has been advocating the use of the Unix ABI with Linux and linking to a downloadable module to help SCO's ABI work on Linux, both admitting that Linux is thoroughly incompatible while encouraging what they've been implying is infringing use. This is quite stunning considering that SCO has been implausibly claiming copyright over Linux ABI headers.
And of course groklaw has news today that the SEC may be taking an active interest in the Microsoft SCO relationship on various grounds.
Darl wouldn't be carrying a gun, but he would be locked behind bars where he belongs. When you attempt to hijack and subvert the work of thousands of others for your own unjust enrichment through a stream of falshoods and implausable legal proceedings you're a criminal in my book.
Hopefully jail will be McBride's ultimate fate. Crooks should be locked up and Darl McBride is a brazen example of one in my opinion.
OK so all that water is used, let's see.... where does the water go? Oh look it's mostly still water when you're done using it. And the environmental cost? What is it, the weight of materials "used" tells us nothing directly of that. These kinds of sensational articles are pretty useless. How much air was "used" by the employees who assembled the PC breathing?
The problem I have with this kind of nonsense is that making PCs keeps the economy going somewhere. Not making a PC has economic and social implications that are far reaching. Those resources getting consumed feeds millions of people down the supply chain and keeps the wheels of industry turning. Simply stopping that would not be a good thing.
This is one case where a good old fashoned legal reaming in the courts will handily take care of the issue.
EB needs to make restitution and pursue the thief themselves. They've basically acted as a fence in this case and now they're telling the victim to seek justice elsewhere. Well, EB sold the stolen property, and illegally too.
Look, do you really want apps running that tramp all over memory the shouldn't be touching? This is a GOOD THING. SP2 isn't breaking those apps, theyr'e already broken, you just don't know it yet.
Umm.. except he owns and built the thing he took away. Demanding compensation for delivering a thing or service you own is not extortion. It's called trade. The newspaper boy won't deliver newspapers to you if you stop paying him, is that extortion? Heck no!
On ballance this is blatant abuse of power by the Sherrif's office. The guy paid for the domain and ran if for 3 years for free. What you believe w.r.t. what was said about payment should be decided in a civil court. As it is the Sherrif is using their power to force the issue and screwing a guy who did them a favor for 3 years. The Sherrif is incredibly claiming that they were doing this guy a favor by letting him host their site. No, their site was chicken shit without this guy. He build it into the famous property it became and paid for the frikin domain. They should be ashamed of themselves for doing this to the guy. Now they have all his computer gear impounded and he has to arrange bail and hire a lawyer while faving multiple felony charges.
This Sherrif's office are scum, no two ways about it.
My knee was jerking furiously until I read your excellent post. I can rest easy now knowing that there's two sides to this story and we have another sensationalized /. article.
OK, I'll bite, what makes you so sure the energy will be released on impact? This would be essential for your theoretical weapon to work (although it is a practical impossibility anyway).
The chances are you'd wind up with a very deep rather small hole, a loud bang and some fireworks.
No, because launching from a suitable orbit is much less complex and risky than launching from the bottom of Moon's gravity well, with all that hard "ground" stuff below you waiting for your failure. A Mars mission would require a huge vehicle (probably vehicles). You're talking about a massive ammount of supplies, fuel etc and a complex mission. Landing all that hardware on the Moon only to take off again is just dumb.
He's right in that getting to Mars via the moon is utterly laughable, but he's wrong about keeping that multibillion dollar floating tin can of a boondoggle in orbit. The NASA bozos should never have blown billions on the ISS.
Maybe they could strap rockets to the ISS and use it as the human habitation section for a Mars mission. That'd get my vote and maybe even save a few billion on any Mars mission.