Wrong.. Netscape/AOL paid for Mozilla by providing staff in the past, as well as buildings servers. at times, when critisism of Mozilla was high, Netscape/AOL continued..
nope.. then you cant do the repeat, as it would take out haev the brain, casuign a "Brain Exception" to occur, terminating the loop, and perhaps the process;)
This is not so much the case anymore, as the general public is more aware of what derivitive products are, that SCO is not Santa Cruz, and of course, that Novell may actually own what SCO claims to own.
I think the "general public" havent a clue what SCO means (some dogfood company maybe?).
Probably think Santa Cruz Operation is some sort of railroad company.
IBM is that thingie in the phrase "This computer is IBM PC Compatible", must be some sort of god.
XP is an "ok" operating system for the average user. Holes and all, i woudl NOT want to be supporting a LINUX install on some of my clueless friend's computers.
A bit of education DOES go a long way, and does work. I am going to write up some guides on the net for securing a system, with reference to SP2, Stinger, and Spybot S&D.
Linux is NOT good enough for most of the average people. Sorry, but step in hte shoes of joe sickpack, who DOESNT have a geek friend like you.
SP2 is good. let it break some software. better the pain now, then Blaster version 2.0
but.. better late than never......I have had to repeatedly fix some friends computer, and they are not "technically" sound to run Kerio, or Zonealarm. They want their broadband to check their hotmail, and use MSN... and get infected on a daily basis as they dont keep updated (why bother they ask)
at least this will cause some sanity. sure some game will not work, but i can easily guide them through the settings on the firewall over a 5 mins phone call, than havign to go to their place and have to deal with the latest scumware for hours on end.
Yes, SCO is sooo cool, in over one year, they have raised the profile of Linux, got untold number of normal (read NON-TECHIES) interested in Open, and Free software.
They have raised the issues of copyright and brought it to a point where people are genuinely discussing it, and rationalising it by finding a middleground from the RIAA style "all bases belong.." and the typical anti RIAA "screw copyright"...
They have shown a great example on how NOT to run a business.. (hint hint, Billy Boy, you do a SCO, and watch it..)
It has shown the Linux crowd is not just a rabid mob of disassociated developers, but can motivate and rally together in a constructive manner. It has shown the accountability of Open Source development and its advantages over proprietary methods, and where faults did exist, it has been clearly highlighted, and resolved.
It has show the commercial viability of Linux. Remember, if there was no Linux users in a commercial environment, how would SCO even be able to sue? How many of you knew that Autozone actually used Linux?
The Issue with EV1 and their payment of licenses, followed by the public apology of the Director, shows how clients are demanding Linux, and the upset and anger expressed shows other business, don't mess with the community. What the community giveth, it may take away.
SCO have raised the profile of Linux beyond our dreams. Those of you who have bosses saying "erm, Linux, doesn't it have issues?", remember a year ago, they may have not even known what Linux is in the first place. If the community can show a lot of maturity, and ride the publicity well, it would again be a gain for Linux.
Talking about community, there is another myth, SCO helped to dispel. Before SCO, the Linux community was seen as a bunch of geeks, loosely associated with relatively new businesses like Red Hat and Suse. Since SCO, the linux community is now seen as a bunch of focussed geeks, strongly associated with large companies such as IBM, Novell, and even none tech people (such as PJ from Groklaw).
It looks like SCO (and their puppetmasters, MS) have done more to raise Linux, than harm it. Those of you who say that their bosses are concerned about Linux
WAP 2.0 is certainly better, but its not just a case of WAP1.0 and WAP2, but also the support of XHTML, and style sheets, make it far easier to code for both HTML and WAP.
The apparence of RSS, and CMS systems which have wap support helps no end.
Finally, your phone uses WAP for more than just browsing. FOr example, MMS uses WAP to send and recieve the SMIL based packages that constitute a MMS message.
sonyericsson are not known for "extending" standards, its actually nokia that is most guilty of that (i have both nokia and SE phones, and have developed for both).
The reason why its getting better is WAP 2.0 is significantly better than WAP 1 (uses XHTML) and as more phones support the WAP2.o standard, things will get better.
Also Nokia is supporting Mozilla in order to bet a better compact HTML browser into Symbian phones. the future looks good.
that was a concept worm.. not a real worm, please do not do a SCO and make something seem different to what it really is.
Secondly it uses the standard Bluetooth file transfer mechanism, and does not exploit any vulnerability. The symbian (certainly on my p800) system will recieve a file ONLY if it is paired to the phone, otherwise you get a message specifically asking if you wish to recieve it.
Once recieved, you have ot open the warn, read about two or three warnings, telling exactly what is happening before you even get to the point of installign the application. Finally the application needs to be physically started.
Finally being a 10meter range on bluetooth, guess what the biggest limiting factor is!
I know users can be stupid, but this one woudl most probably remain a concept, nothing more
no.. actually IBM licensed the patent, (i am not sure what it is) to the GPL, not to Linux, so a fork is possible provided it is under the GPL, which the GPL prohibits any other liscense anyway for forks, and derivatives.
I dont think it is legally ok with regards to the GPL to liscense to a product. If you release an item under the GPL, you either have to disclaim your ability to seek royalities on the Petented item with regards to the GPL code, or you are prohibited from releasing it under the GPL anyway.
In analysis, this was a pretty smart move by IBM, and shows some of the powers of the GPL.
For example, IBM patents something X, and then also releases code A using patent X under the GPL, with permission to use that patent under the GPL with no royalities. All modifications to code A is still under the GPL, so is allowed. If code A is used in the Linux kernal, and then used in another hypothetical "Lin2" kernal which is also distributed under the GPL, this is also permitted.
Even if IBM were to release a new verion of code A which was NOT under the GPL (as copyright holders they are in effect allowed to), all previous releases under the GPL are still legal and valid, however, you will not be able to use or derive form the NEWER non-gpl version.
IBM can still seek royalties on ANY item that uses Patent X that doesnt follow the GPL.
If an entitiy uses code A outside of the GPL, IBM can seek both copyright infringement in that enitity, as well as demand royalies as the gratis/libre permission granted was only for use under the GPL liscense.
if an entity uses code A to create a clean room interpretation using patent X, and releases under a prorietry Liscense, IBM cannot claim for copyright infringement, but can persue Patent royalties.
the only part that remains murky is what woudl happend if someone develops a code B totally in an isolated environment that infringes on Patent X. IBM MAY be able to litigate on that.
In General, incomming IS free in Europe, both calls and text.
hoever, some providers here, their own mail to txt gateways are usually not free, in UK (T-Mobile) charge for email to SMS. however, u can get other mail to text gateways such as yahoo. that IS free.
This may only apply to the US, it may be public domain in the UK, and other countries...
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This is already happening in IPv6 applicatgions outside the internet. All Bluetooth devices have an ID that is in effect its personal IPv6 Address. same with GPRS connections on mobiles.
Actually i think it is the right thing to set up a reverse firewall as a DEFAULT setting for routers and DSL modems. This wil protect the majority joe sixpack user who are the usual owners of zombie machines.
Experienced users who are more adept at internet security are more liekly to have the knowledge to disable the reverse firewal, or even change its parameters.
I know the average slashdot user goes about with the "bah, i dont need this/waste of time" attitude, but the average user is not a slashdot reader.
And I for one dont want to spend countless hours explaining to my friends why their zombie computers are a menace to the internet, ususally their response is like "so what, its my computer, whats it to you?", and trying to explain the fact taht bandwidth issues and the risk of being cut off by their ISP causes a spontaneous core dump in their brain.
Yeah, but i am not sure if that is supposed to be a "bug". i mean the auto disconnect is really more of a feature, and whetehr it shodul be on or not is really a thorny decision. Maybe it woudl be ideal for those Dialup ISPs who include Mozilla in their install disks?
BTW, i hope u didnt get offended by my "stiff upper lip comment", it wasnt meant in any way to offend, but just a little joke. I only realised after submitting that it wasnt toooo clear that it was a humourous satire.
yes, and this is probably why mozilla/firefox is so "snappy" in comparison. All user layout is done by the gecko engine (including dialogs and chrome). this runs in a thread or two. then another thread for Network, and another for the scripting (i think).. etc..
Given the maturity of gecko, it nicely renderes its queue withotu havign to "wait" for something else.
An intresting point, because when mozilla was first previewed, everyone thoguht the whole idea of havign a XML renderer rendering the whole interface as a path to slowness!
Congrats to Team Mozilla for sticking with their plan, despite all naysayers. Just over Three years ago, Mozilla was seen as a "Bad example" of an OSS project. Now its seen as a shining example. The thing is, the roadmap and direction of Mozilla has never changed, its just the developers had faith in what they were creating.
Chill out, give the guy a break, and stop giving the usual slashdot "stiff upper lip" to those who are not developers!
Basically he is on dial-up (remember that?) and one "feature" of some dial-up/IE combinations is that it will automatically ask your/disconnect when you close the remaining browser window (i think netscape 4.7 did it too).
This is usefull for those who are on pay per min dialup, especially when family members are using the internet who dont understand enough about windows to right click the connection icon on the systray and select disconnect.
Firefox does NOT implement the signalling required to disconnect.
I would NOT like having autodisconnect on *MY* computer, but when you carefully read what the original poster is saying, he has some less capable users in his family, who assume IE *is* the internet. Having autodisconnect will definately make things easier.
So Micky-Ds in Germany is going Unix? This is less a sign of the corporation legitimizing Unix as it is likely that a number of key executives in that region have recognized that it might be a smart move to ask the IT people what are the best tools for the job.
Erm, the article doesnt say that McD's in Germany is not swtiching to unix. Considering they are a SCO customer, thatey have been using unix for a while now, and may already be using it in backend systems. The article states that they are moving to Linux in some areas, i think the causalty is not MS, but other Unix systems....
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Wrong.. Netscape/AOL paid for Mozilla by providing staff in the past, as well as buildings servers. at times, when critisism of Mozilla was high, Netscape/AOL continued..
let them do what they like.. they paid for it...
... My parents.. they recognise Netscape, dont give a damn that in its past it was seen as slow... they trust it and know about it.
:)
on their computer, they listen to audio streams, and Netscape requires none of the fiddling you need to do to Firefox.
Which comes to another point.. i have also installed firefox on their computer, though they dont use it., but at leat you CAN install both
to paraphrase, "to them, the internet IS Netscape."
Ok, i need to download 7.2 and install it for them.
nope.. then you cant do the repeat, as it would take out haev the brain, casuign a "Brain Exception" to occur, terminating the loop, and perhaps the process ;)
I think the "general public" havent a clue what SCO means (some dogfood company maybe?).
Probably think Santa Cruz Operation is some sort of railroad company.
IBM is that thingie in the phrase "This computer is IBM PC Compatible", must be some sort of god.
Ahmen.. well said.. good call...
XP is an "ok" operating system for the average user. Holes and all, i woudl NOT want to be supporting a LINUX install on some of my clueless friend's computers.
A bit of education DOES go a long way, and does work. I am going to write up some guides on the net for securing a system, with reference to SP2, Stinger, and Spybot S&D.
Linux is NOT good enough for most of the average people. Sorry, but step in hte shoes of joe sickpack, who DOESNT have a geek friend like you.
SP2 is good. let it break some software. better the pain now, then Blaster version 2.0
but.. better late than never.... ..I have had to repeatedly fix some friends computer, and they are not "technically" sound to run Kerio, or Zonealarm. They want their broadband to check their hotmail, and use MSN... and get infected on a daily basis as they dont keep updated (why bother they ask)
at least this will cause some sanity. sure some game will not work, but i can easily guide them through the settings on the firewall over a 5 mins phone call, than havign to go to their place and have to deal with the latest scumware for hours on end.
Yes, SCO is sooo cool, in over one year, they have raised the profile of Linux, got untold number of normal (read NON-TECHIES) interested in Open, and Free software.
They have raised the issues of copyright and brought it to a point where people are genuinely discussing it, and rationalising it by finding a middleground from the RIAA style "all bases belong.." and the typical anti RIAA "screw copyright"...
They have shown a great example on how NOT to run a business.. (hint hint, Billy Boy, you do a SCO, and watch it..)
It has shown the Linux crowd is not just a rabid mob of disassociated developers, but can motivate and rally together in a constructive manner. It has shown the accountability of Open Source development and its advantages over proprietary methods, and where faults did exist, it has been clearly highlighted, and resolved.
It has show the commercial viability of Linux. Remember, if there was no Linux users in a commercial environment, how would SCO even be able to sue? How many of you knew that Autozone actually used Linux?
The Issue with EV1 and their payment of licenses, followed by the public apology of the Director, shows how clients are demanding Linux, and the upset and anger expressed shows other business, don't mess with the community. What the community giveth, it may take away.
SCO have raised the profile of Linux beyond our dreams. Those of you who have bosses saying "erm, Linux, doesn't it have issues?", remember a year ago, they may have not even known what Linux is in the first place. If the community can show a lot of maturity, and ride the publicity well, it would again be a gain for Linux.
Talking about community, there is another myth, SCO helped to dispel. Before SCO, the Linux community was seen as a bunch of geeks, loosely associated with relatively new businesses like Red Hat and Suse. Since SCO, the linux community is now seen as a bunch of focussed geeks, strongly associated with large companies such as IBM, Novell, and even none tech people (such as PJ from Groklaw).
It looks like SCO (and their puppetmasters, MS) have done more to raise Linux, than harm it. Those of you who say that their bosses are concerned about Linux
THANK YOU SCO!
WAP 2.0 is certainly better, but its not just a case of WAP1.0 and WAP2, but also the support of XHTML, and style sheets, make it far easier to code for both HTML and WAP.
The apparence of RSS, and CMS systems which have wap support helps no end.
Finally, your phone uses WAP for more than just browsing. FOr example, MMS uses WAP to send and recieve the SMIL based packages that constitute a MMS message.
sonyericsson are not known for "extending" standards, its actually nokia that is most guilty of that (i have both nokia and SE phones, and have developed for both).
The reason why its getting better is WAP 2.0 is significantly better than WAP 1 (uses XHTML) and as more phones support the WAP2.o standard, things will get better.
Also Nokia is supporting Mozilla in order to bet a better compact HTML browser into Symbian phones. the future looks good.
that was a concept worm.. not a real worm, please do not do a SCO and make something seem different to what it really is.
Secondly it uses the standard Bluetooth file transfer mechanism, and does not exploit any vulnerability. The symbian (certainly on my p800) system will recieve a file ONLY if it is paired to the phone, otherwise you get a message specifically asking if you wish to recieve it.
Once recieved, you have ot open the warn, read about two or three warnings, telling exactly what is happening before you even get to the point of installign the application. Finally the application needs to be physically started.
Finally being a 10meter range on bluetooth, guess what the biggest limiting factor is!
I know users can be stupid, but this one woudl most probably remain a concept, nothing more
no.. actually IBM licensed the patent, (i am not sure what it is) to the GPL, not to Linux, so a fork is possible provided it is under the GPL, which the GPL prohibits any other liscense anyway for forks, and derivatives.
I dont think it is legally ok with regards to the GPL to liscense to a product. If you release an item under the GPL, you either have to disclaim your ability to seek royalities on the Petented item with regards to the GPL code, or you are prohibited from releasing it under the GPL anyway.
In analysis, this was a pretty smart move by IBM, and shows some of the powers of the GPL.
For example, IBM patents something X, and then also releases code A using patent X under the GPL, with permission to use that patent under the GPL with no royalities. All modifications to code A is still under the GPL, so is allowed. If code A is used in the Linux kernal, and then used in another hypothetical "Lin2" kernal which is also distributed under the GPL, this is also permitted.
Even if IBM were to release a new verion of code A which was NOT under the GPL (as copyright holders they are in effect allowed to), all previous releases under the GPL are still legal and valid, however, you will not be able to use or derive form the NEWER non-gpl version.
IBM can still seek royalties on ANY item that uses Patent X that doesnt follow the GPL.
If an entitiy uses code A outside of the GPL, IBM can seek both copyright infringement in that enitity, as well as demand royalies as the gratis/libre permission granted was only for use under the GPL liscense.
if an entity uses code A to create a clean room interpretation using patent X, and releases under a prorietry Liscense, IBM cannot claim for copyright infringement, but can persue Patent royalties.
the only part that remains murky is what woudl happend if someone develops a code B totally in an isolated environment that infringes on Patent X. IBM MAY be able to litigate on that.
In General, incomming IS free in Europe, both calls and text.
hoever, some providers here, their own mail to txt gateways are usually not free, in UK (T-Mobile) charge for email to SMS. however, u can get other mail to text gateways such as yahoo. that IS free.
This may only apply to the US, it may be public domain in the UK, and other countries...
This is already happening in IPv6 applicatgions outside the internet. All Bluetooth devices have an ID that is in effect its personal IPv6 Address. same with GPRS connections on mobiles.
who said this is a LAW?
Actually i think it is the right thing to set up a reverse firewall as a DEFAULT setting for routers and DSL modems. This wil protect the majority joe sixpack user who are the usual owners of zombie machines.
Experienced users who are more adept at internet security are more liekly to have the knowledge to disable the reverse firewal, or even change its parameters.
I know the average slashdot user goes about with the "bah, i dont need this/waste of time" attitude, but the average user is not a slashdot reader.
And I for one dont want to spend countless hours explaining to my friends why their zombie computers are a menace to the internet, ususally their response is like "so what, its my computer, whats it to you?", and trying to explain the fact taht bandwidth issues and the risk of being cut off by their ISP causes a spontaneous core dump in their brain.
There are two superpowers in this world.... .. the USA and World opinion....
i would rather prefer it if MS are not worried right now....
let them get complacant, then watch them scramble when its just too late.
The way to hit a 800lb gorrilla is to make it believe it is safe, then strike cleverly while its napping.
Maybe its a US thing?
i work for a large IT company...
they DONT pay for cellphones, etc...
but they DONT expect you to be on call 24 x 7
if you dont take your holidays.. questiosn are asked...
althought you will be noticed for extra work.. on the same time.. u wont be penalised for not... thats what overtime rates are for.
any company expecting you to do more than is expected.. for free.. are just that... cheap...
Perspective from an Englishman....
Over here, I have heard many accusations from soem "right wing" Americans, accusing the British to be communists, Anti-American, etc.
Thats a pity that such wrong impressions are propagated....
The British in general Love the Americans.. we just dont like the current government (just like we dont like ours).
To quote the introductory speaker in the Anti Bush demostrations last november:
"God Bless America, God Damn Bush"
Yeah, but i am not sure if that is supposed to be a "bug". i mean the auto disconnect is really more of a feature, and whetehr it shodul be on or not is really a thorny decision. Maybe it woudl be ideal for those Dialup ISPs who include Mozilla in their install disks?
BTW, i hope u didnt get offended by my "stiff upper lip comment", it wasnt meant in any way to offend, but just a little joke. I only realised after submitting that it wasnt toooo clear that it was a humourous satire.
yes, and this is probably why mozilla/firefox is so "snappy" in comparison. All user layout is done by the gecko engine (including dialogs and chrome). this runs in a thread or two. then another thread for Network, and another for the scripting (i think).. etc..
Given the maturity of gecko, it nicely renderes its queue withotu havign to "wait" for something else.
An intresting point, because when mozilla was first previewed, everyone thoguht the whole idea of havign a XML renderer rendering the whole interface as a path to slowness!
Congrats to Team Mozilla for sticking with their plan, despite all naysayers. Just over Three years ago, Mozilla was seen as a "Bad example" of an OSS project. Now its seen as a shining example. The thing is, the roadmap and direction of Mozilla has never changed, its just the developers had faith in what they were creating.
Chill out, give the guy a break, and stop giving the usual slashdot "stiff upper lip" to those who are not developers!
Basically he is on dial-up (remember that?) and one "feature" of some dial-up/IE combinations is that it will automatically ask your/disconnect when you close the remaining browser window (i think netscape 4.7 did it too).
This is usefull for those who are on pay per min dialup, especially when family members are using the internet who dont understand enough about windows to right click the connection icon on the systray and select disconnect.
Firefox does NOT implement the signalling required to disconnect.
I would NOT like having autodisconnect on *MY* computer, but when you carefully read what the original poster is saying, he has some less capable users in his family, who assume IE *is* the internet. Having autodisconnect will definately make things easier.
Erm, the article doesnt say that McD's in Germany is not swtiching to unix. Considering they are a SCO customer, thatey have been using unix for a while now, and may already be using it in backend systems. The article states that they are moving to Linux in some areas, i think the causalty is not MS, but other Unix systems....
so a win for Linuzx at the expense of other UNIX.
the article said "FIRST PORTABLE MP3 PLAYER with BLUETOOTH".
:)
not the first, MP3/radio/CD/tape/dogsbuiscuit/everything but the kitchen sink player with gigabytes of storage.
in fact, if that was the case, my computer was doing that for a year too.
so i am correct, and you can stop trolling
Actually the Sony Ericsson has been out for one year....
yes SE was the first...