The notion that Python and Ruby are successful because they are like Lisp is absurd and laughable. The reason people are productive with them is because they are very high level languages that have easy, concise syntax, useful built-in data structures, and good supporting libraries and bindings. Gee, go figure.
I LOVE python. But I think Lisp is one of the shittiest, most annoying languages on the market today. When I code in Python, I feel NOTHING like when I code in Lisp. Lisp needs to just die and blowtards like Paul Graham need to stop peddling their tired zealotry to people who know better.
I don't know what causes it, but when I was stationed at NAVSTA San Diego two yrs ago the keyless entry on my car didn't work sometimes. It depends on a number of factors, like where you're parked on the base and what not. But its definitely true. Its not a rumor.
Also, its not just aircraft carriers that cause it. In San Diego the A/C carriers are berthed at Green Island, *not* at the main naval station. So they aren't responsible for it. But there are still dozens of frigates, destroyers, cruisers and amphibious ships that could be causing it.
I don't know what caused the Vegas outage, but the Bremerton one is being blamed on a visiting Navy ship. Some have argued against that theory, but it actually rings a loud bell with me. I remember being in the Navy in San Diego two years ago and my remote keyless entry wouldn't work in the vicinity of the ships. When I was off base and away from the piers it started working again. The only thing that is kind of strange is that the interference was only on the base; it shouldn't affect things across an entire town or city.
RMS is a total dweeb. He endorses Dennis Kucinich? I understand the whole free software thing, but his communist lite (TM) political ideology is insane.
If that were true why did we wait so long to get involved in WW2?
*SIGH* God almighty. This is what passes for critical analysis in your mind? It was because we had an "isolationist feeling" at the time. We wanted to stay out of foreign entanglements, aliances and wars, particularly the neverending, bloody European ones. We'd just gotten over WWI, why the fuck would we want to repeat it? I suppose the attitude was that if the Europeans were so stupid as to wind up fighting the same damn war over again after just 20 years then then they were a lost cause and we should just let them destroy each other.
Unfortunately we found out the hard way that if we don't join the party on our own then the party will come knocking at our door anyway (witness Pearl Harbor).
I don't know where you got the profit BS from. No doubt you read it in a book written by communists or socialists. What better way to bring harm to the reputation of capitalism than to blame all wars on a naked motivation for profit by capitalist countries? I find it very interesting that left-wing thinkers tend to blame the the US for Korea, Vietnam, et. al, while conveniently leaving out the other side. It would look too bad if a communist country was actually to blame for a war; no sir can't have that can we Mr. Chomsky?
The [INSERT ABOUT A DOZEN COUNTRIES HERE] has a lengthy and vicious track record of exerting our political and military might to "capitilize" the rest of the world.
Wow, what a genious you are for pointing that out. I didn't know that. Yes, we're such bad imperialists. We leave our footprints in the sand to be discovered. Everyone else makes sure to conceal theirs.
By the way, if war is so profitable then why are people complaining about the $200+ billion we're sinking into Iraq. By your accounts the war should miraculously pay itself off.
Have you heard of Mexico, Korea, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Cambodia, Panama (and much of Central America)? Ask people that live in these places about US terrorism
Like I said, you've been propagandized by Chomsky and the gang. I'm not denying that any of that happened; I'm saying that you have shown zero perspective and zero ability to grasp the complexity of those situations.
The US may have been involved in some covert operations here and there, but you fail to look at it in perspective. Lets take Vietnam for example. Before US involvement communist insurgents were infiltrating South Vietnam, assassinating leaders, and trying to spark a communist revolution. The US reacted with support to the South Vietnamese govt. and later with direct military force. Perhaps it was wrong to get involved and escalate the war in Vietnam, but you can hardly say we started it. You could fault North Vietnam, China and the Soviet Union more than you can fault the US for the clusterfuck that ensued. Same with Korea. You talk about "documented, historical fact" and then try to equate our defense of South Korea (which was invaded) with terrorism? Any serious student of historical fact would laugh you off the stage for that one. Lets examine South/Central America for a minute. Ok, so we supported guerilla fighters in an effort to combat Communism. You think those South/Central American govts were just naturally inclined to adopt communism, or do you think the Soviets had their own brand of covert activity going on? Had we not acted, its likely we would have a bunch of despotic Fidel Castro wannabes down there throwing people in prison for daring to criticize their govts. For all the crap you leftists spew about human rights and social justice, you don't seem too keen on defending those rights when the bullets start flying. Christ you even mentioned Cambodia, as if the US is to blame for Pol Pot's raving mad left-wing genocide. You could argue that he came to power when CIA meddling backfired in Cambodia, but I could argue that CIA meddling was a result of a need to establish a pro-US govt, which in turn was the result of Chinese and Soviet meddling in SE Asia. As for bombing the shit out of eastern cambodia, I could argue that if the Vietnamese "terrorists" would not have violated the sovereignty of cambodia then the US would not have done the same. For all your bullshit fingerpointing, I can point fingers right back.
You aren't wrong to criticise the US for our activities over the years, but you are living in la-la land if you think those activities were a sole result of US "terrorism". It takes two (and more often than not three or four) to dance. You have not recognized that fact and for that you get a big fat F in your history class.
Or even our very own Native Americans, hmm were we at "war" with them. Damn, too bad because apparently then we would have been totally justified in slaughtering entire races of people
I have two points: (1) If you feel so guilty about what your/our ancestors did then you're welcome to leave the country and go back to Europe (or wherever you came from). And while you're at it why don't you take your car and your bank account and give it to the Native Indians as a down-payment on reparations? (2) You're argument about the US taking land from natives is harldy evidence that the US is any worse than other countries. As long as you're criticising us, why don't you talk about the land "stolen" from the Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, etc. in central/south America. Why don't you call out Canada for the same crimes? Oh, and make sure you tell the Aussies that they should give Australia back to the Aboriginees.
US is the largest terrorist threat in the world (and has killed more foreign people and destroyed more foreign property during "peace" time than any one else).
Whatcha been readin? Oh, Noam Chomsky - figures. In your effort to cut through all the propaganda of the US govt. you've allowed yourself to be propogandized by someone else.
We know. But nobody gives a fuck. XF86, Xfree, etc. are just informal abreviations. Slashdot is just a discussion board - relax dude.
Everyone also knows that X Windows is not the correct way to write The X Window System. But we use it anyways because its easier. If you have a problem with that then fucking sue us. Now go get a life - we have more important things to worry about than inflaming your emotions over such a petty thing.
You obviously didn't actually read any of the Declassified documents posted on that site. The chemical weapons was a major concern. But the biggest concern was making sure the Iranians didn't win.
We sold them the chemical weapons, laboratory equipment and trained their scientists to make and, more importantly, implement mustard gas, VX and sarin.
Bullshit. Getting your "facts" from Indymedia again? Show us the sources or shut the hell up you liar.
Yeah right. Fresco/Berlin is a huge, bloated pig of a system that has been under turtle-paced development for the last 5 years and is still in alpha with no sign of getting anywhere anytime soon. If you read the design docs instead of just relying on the hype, you will see that it is much more complicated than X.
Freso/Berlin has interesting theoretical foundations, but they break apart from complexity as soon as you try to implement them. Sort of like microkernels.
Plus, Fresco/Berlin has several major dependencies (CORBA, OpenGL, etc.) Plus, it uses C++ so that will turn off a lot of people.
Seriously, the design of X is pretty good. There is a lot of obsolete cruft in there though - that is the real problem with X.
I read the article and didn't see anything about torture. Can you please point to an article detailing the torture that this guy supposedly endured? I couldn't find a single article on the web stating that he'd been tortured. The only thing I could find were allegations that torture "might" be used because he was detained in Syria.
If you can't provide an article substantiating yout claims then we'll have to assume that you are a sensationalist liar. I'm sure you don't care though. Anything to make the US look bad, even if it is a complete lie. That's your goal right?
a real alternative getting underway. Check out the Freso project
Fresco has been bogged down in Alpha status for the last 5 years. Some people think that the only reason it is so slow in development is because no-one knows about it.
But the real reason is because Fresco sucks and no one wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole. If you think X is bloated, Fresco is 10 times worse. Its an over-engineered solution heavily reliant on C++, CORBA, GGI, and other crap.
X does suck, but 90% of the basic design of X is excellent. A new windowing system should focus on keeping the basic design, while (a) eliminating legacy crap that no one needs anymore, and (b) adding the stuff we DO need like Drag and Drop, Transparency, AA fonts, 3D, etc.
Ah, I see. So an arsonist who burns down 5000 acres of forest can only be held liable for the first tree that he sets on fire. It isn't the arsonist's fault that all of the other trees are so flamable that they caught fire due to a little wind!
That's right - blame the trees!
Let me guess - you're one of those people who think that the "root cause" of terrorism is poverty and hopelessness.
Reading slashdot reminds me of being in high school. What passes for intellectual thought and sound logic around here is truly amazing.
/.'er: Um, gee whiz guys, by my calculation, Bill Gates should go to prison. He is at fault for the damage caused by MSBlaster because of the bugs in his software. The 18 year old kid is just a scapegoat like Kevin Mitnick.
Me: By that logic, the CEO of Honda and about a half other dozen car companies should go to jail for failing to make their cars more difficult to steal. And of course the guy who steals the car is just a scapegoat who we should actually be thanking for forcing car companies to install better locks.
/.'er: Um, gee whiz, according to the approximation I gathered from my latest regression analysis using 84-bit fixed point math and my weighted neural network Beowulf Cluster, that is correct.
Me: I see. And if someone breaks into your house by smashing a window, then the window manufacturer should be put in prison for failing to make the glass bullet-proof. And if the criminal walks off with your new TV then Sony should be sued because the TV didn't come with a chain and padlock. Well, now that we know what your computer thinks about all of this, have you tried applying some common sense to the issue?
Blame everyone except the criminal. How Juvenile. How Slashdotish.
I can't believe you would bicker about this. You are a sick mofo. Typical liberal. You have nothing to complain about, so you have to make dumb shit up.
21 people just died and you are going to bicker about publicity. That's disgraceful.
Just because some of us don't have money and houses, doesn't mean that they don't have the right to their own lives without government tracking.
Just because some of us DO have money and houses, doesn't mean that the Government has the right to take huge chunks of our money and give it to others.
I think this is so funny. You socialist, liberal fools want the government to take care of everyone, but as soon as the government starts tracking people in order to carry out that task, you complain that the government is violating their rights.
Duh! This is what conservatives have been warning you people about for years. Big government will eventually become Big Brother. Socialism will eventually become Facism. Happens every time.
But you know what? If you want your socialism and communism that bad, fine. Go right ahead and vote people into office who will make that happen. But don't complain in 20 - 30 years when your government is oppressing you. This is why I don't give a rats ass about the North Koreans. They wanted their communism, now they have it. I hope they are happy living under Kim Jong Il's reign of terror!
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I LOVE python. But I think Lisp is one of the shittiest, most annoying languages on the market today. When I code in Python, I feel NOTHING like when I code in Lisp. Lisp needs to just die and blowtards like Paul Graham need to stop peddling their tired zealotry to people who know better.
Doesn't matter. Lisp sux. No one uses it except for people who can't let go of the past.
Also, its not just aircraft carriers that cause it. In San Diego the A/C carriers are berthed at Green Island, *not* at the main naval station. So they aren't responsible for it. But there are still dozens of frigates, destroyers, cruisers and amphibious ships that could be causing it.
I don't know what caused the Vegas outage, but the Bremerton one is being blamed on a visiting Navy ship. Some have argued against that theory, but it actually rings a loud bell with me. I remember being in the Navy in San Diego two years ago and my remote keyless entry wouldn't work in the vicinity of the ships. When I was off base and away from the piers it started working again. The only thing that is kind of strange is that the interference was only on the base; it shouldn't affect things across an entire town or city.
RMS is a total dweeb. He endorses Dennis Kucinich? I understand the whole free software thing, but his communist lite (TM) political ideology is insane.
*SIGH* God almighty. This is what passes for critical analysis in your mind? It was because we had an "isolationist feeling" at the time. We wanted to stay out of foreign entanglements, aliances and wars, particularly the neverending, bloody European ones. We'd just gotten over WWI, why the fuck would we want to repeat it? I suppose the attitude was that if the Europeans were so stupid as to wind up fighting the same damn war over again after just 20 years then then they were a lost cause and we should just let them destroy each other.
Unfortunately we found out the hard way that if we don't join the party on our own then the party will come knocking at our door anyway (witness Pearl Harbor).
I don't know where you got the profit BS from. No doubt you read it in a book written by communists or socialists. What better way to bring harm to the reputation of capitalism than to blame all wars on a naked motivation for profit by capitalist countries? I find it very interesting that left-wing thinkers tend to blame the the US for Korea, Vietnam, et. al, while conveniently leaving out the other side. It would look too bad if a communist country was actually to blame for a war; no sir can't have that can we Mr. Chomsky?
The [INSERT ABOUT A DOZEN COUNTRIES HERE] has a lengthy and vicious track record of exerting our political and military might to "capitilize" the rest of the world.
Wow, what a genious you are for pointing that out. I didn't know that. Yes, we're such bad imperialists. We leave our footprints in the sand to be discovered. Everyone else makes sure to conceal theirs.
By the way, if war is so profitable then why are people complaining about the $200+ billion we're sinking into Iraq. By your accounts the war should miraculously pay itself off.
-- LD
Like I said, you've been propagandized by Chomsky and the gang. I'm not denying that any of that happened; I'm saying that you have shown zero perspective and zero ability to grasp the complexity of those situations.
The US may have been involved in some covert operations here and there, but you fail to look at it in perspective. Lets take Vietnam for example. Before US involvement communist insurgents were infiltrating South Vietnam, assassinating leaders, and trying to spark a communist revolution. The US reacted with support to the South Vietnamese govt. and later with direct military force. Perhaps it was wrong to get involved and escalate the war in Vietnam, but you can hardly say we started it. You could fault North Vietnam, China and the Soviet Union more than you can fault the US for the clusterfuck that ensued. Same with Korea. You talk about "documented, historical fact" and then try to equate our defense of South Korea (which was invaded) with terrorism? Any serious student of historical fact would laugh you off the stage for that one. Lets examine South/Central America for a minute. Ok, so we supported guerilla fighters in an effort to combat Communism. You think those South/Central American govts were just naturally inclined to adopt communism, or do you think the Soviets had their own brand of covert activity going on? Had we not acted, its likely we would have a bunch of despotic Fidel Castro wannabes down there throwing people in prison for daring to criticize their govts. For all the crap you leftists spew about human rights and social justice, you don't seem too keen on defending those rights when the bullets start flying. Christ you even mentioned Cambodia, as if the US is to blame for Pol Pot's raving mad left-wing genocide. You could argue that he came to power when CIA meddling backfired in Cambodia, but I could argue that CIA meddling was a result of a need to establish a pro-US govt, which in turn was the result of Chinese and Soviet meddling in SE Asia. As for bombing the shit out of eastern cambodia, I could argue that if the Vietnamese "terrorists" would not have violated the sovereignty of cambodia then the US would not have done the same. For all your bullshit fingerpointing, I can point fingers right back.
You aren't wrong to criticise the US for our activities over the years, but you are living in la-la land if you think those activities were a sole result of US "terrorism". It takes two (and more often than not three or four) to dance. You have not recognized that fact and for that you get a big fat F in your history class.
Or even our very own Native Americans, hmm were we at "war" with them. Damn, too bad because apparently then we would have been totally justified in slaughtering entire races of people
I have two points: (1) If you feel so guilty about what your/our ancestors did then you're welcome to leave the country and go back to Europe (or wherever you came from). And while you're at it why don't you take your car and your bank account and give it to the Native Indians as a down-payment on reparations? (2) You're argument about the US taking land from natives is harldy evidence that the US is any worse than other countries. As long as you're criticising us, why don't you talk about the land "stolen" from the Aztecs, Incans, Mayans, etc. in central/south America. Why don't you call out Canada for the same crimes? Oh, and make sure you tell the Aussies that they should give Australia back to the Aboriginees.
-- LD
Whatcha been readin? Oh, Noam Chomsky - figures. In your effort to cut through all the propaganda of the US govt. you've allowed yourself to be propogandized by someone else.
We know. But nobody gives a fuck. XF86, Xfree, etc. are just informal abreviations. Slashdot is just a discussion board - relax dude. Everyone also knows that X Windows is not the correct way to write The X Window System. But we use it anyways because its easier. If you have a problem with that then fucking sue us. Now go get a life - we have more important things to worry about than inflaming your emotions over such a petty thing.
You obviously didn't actually read any of the Declassified documents posted on that site. The chemical weapons was a major concern. But the biggest concern was making sure the Iranians didn't win.
We sold them the chemical weapons, laboratory equipment and trained their scientists to make and, more importantly, implement mustard gas, VX and sarin. Bullshit. Getting your "facts" from Indymedia again? Show us the sources or shut the hell up you liar.
Freso/Berlin has interesting theoretical foundations, but they break apart from complexity as soon as you try to implement them. Sort of like microkernels.
Plus, Fresco/Berlin has several major dependencies (CORBA, OpenGL, etc.) Plus, it uses C++ so that will turn off a lot of people.
Seriously, the design of X is pretty good. There is a lot of obsolete cruft in there though - that is the real problem with X.
LD
Amen! Put those America-hating, dope-smoking, Saddam-apologizing, pimple-faced, paranoid libbies where they belong!
If you can't provide an article substantiating yout claims then we'll have to assume that you are a sensationalist liar. I'm sure you don't care though. Anything to make the US look bad, even if it is a complete lie. That's your goal right?
Fresco has been bogged down in Alpha status for the last 5 years. Some people think that the only reason it is so slow in development is because no-one knows about it.
But the real reason is because Fresco sucks and no one wants to touch it with a 10 foot pole. If you think X is bloated, Fresco is 10 times worse. Its an over-engineered solution heavily reliant on C++, CORBA, GGI, and other crap.
X does suck, but 90% of the basic design of X is excellent. A new windowing system should focus on keeping the basic design, while (a) eliminating legacy crap that no one needs anymore, and (b) adding the stuff we DO need like Drag and Drop, Transparency, AA fonts, 3D, etc.
-- LD
That's right - blame the trees!
Let me guess - you're one of those people who think that the "root cause" of terrorism is poverty and hopelessness.
-- LD
Me: By that logic, the CEO of Honda and about a half other dozen car companies should go to jail for failing to make their cars more difficult to steal. And of course the guy who steals the car is just a scapegoat who we should actually be thanking for forcing car companies to install better locks.
Me: I see. And if someone breaks into your house by smashing a window, then the window manufacturer should be put in prison for failing to make the glass bullet-proof. And if the criminal walks off with your new TV then Sony should be sued because the TV didn't come with a chain and padlock. Well, now that we know what your computer thinks about all of this, have you tried applying some common sense to the issue?
Blame everyone except the criminal. How Juvenile. How Slashdotish.
-- LD
I can't believe you would bicker about this. You are a sick mofo. Typical liberal. You have nothing to complain about, so you have to make dumb shit up.
21 people just died and you are going to bicker about publicity. That's disgraceful.
-- LD
You might never say all Americans suck but there are plenty of people in the world who don't hesitate to say it.
Americans are constantly told that the world hates us, we are evil, we deserve to die, etc.
Now you know how we feel!
-- LD
Hybrid Assisted Leg 3 + M$ Bloatware = Heuristically Programmed ALgorthmic Computer 9000.
-- LD
Just because some of us DO have money and houses, doesn't mean that the Government has the right to take huge chunks of our money and give it to others.
I think this is so funny. You socialist, liberal fools want the government to take care of everyone, but as soon as the government starts tracking people in order to carry out that task, you complain that the government is violating their rights.
Duh! This is what conservatives have been warning you people about for years. Big government will eventually become Big Brother. Socialism will eventually become Facism. Happens every time.
But you know what? If you want your socialism and communism that bad, fine. Go right ahead and vote people into office who will make that happen. But don't complain in 20 - 30 years when your government is oppressing you. This is why I don't give a rats ass about the North Koreans. They wanted their communism, now they have it. I hope they are happy living under Kim Jong Il's reign of terror!
-- LD