I agree. If you have worked your way up to CEO, I would think OOPS should not be in your vocabulary anymore. I am just an IT Supervisor and I know better than that.
That is probably only because Debian just put 3.2 into Unstable Saturday after it being out for a month to the rest of the distro world. They probably just went ahead got the advanced copy of 3.2.1 since it was so near completion so they could be the first distro to have it.
I concur. If people want to get "non-free" software, they can just get it somewhere else. That being said, I would leave it up to the software originator. If they don't mind having their software GPL'd, then they just put it in the regular repositories. If they do mind, then it does not go in there.
The only non-free thing I have ever used is unrar. There are so many other places to get it that I am not going to stop using Debian because I have to go to more than one place to get Linux software. I don't see the big deal.
But then again, I don't use much non-free, so I am not the world's biggest expert.
I am not going to give them too much grief for putting a pop up killer in IE since other browsers already have it.
The firewall was shady to begin with especially since it was unconfigurable.
But now putting antivirus in there is just sticking it out there waiting to get it cut off.
Next they should put in their own Microbat PDF creator, Microshop Imaging suite, Windowszip, Microrar, Micro-aware spyware killer, Microzaa P2P client, and MSCD Creator burning client.
Their target demographic is so obvious. Let's just assume that Windows XP is a great OS. That is fine. But to say that their firewall is better than Zone Alarm - it's not. To say that Windows Media Player should be your default for every media on the planet - it should not. To say that their antivirus is better than Norton, Mcafee, etc - of course it's not. But their hope is that the people who buy the prebundled OS will be too lazy to go get good software.
Then they can say consumer choice put all these other software companies out of business, not them.
I don't see how this will see the light of day, but I am sure with enough palm greasing it will.
Knoppix is neat and all, but it gets way too much pub. If I wanted an OS that I could just pop a CD in a drive and load, I would go get Windows and save the Linux hassle. The fact of the matter is that I went to Linux to take more control over my computing experience. I think Knoppix is cool for beginners and it is a pretty good rescue option. But I don't even put it on the list when comparing RH, Fedora, Gentoo, Debian, etc.
I am not going to go run a server farm on Knoppix.
I was going to mod you down, just because you asked for it and I am a spiteful person. But I must admit, you are right on in this post.
I don't even know what the point of Fedora is.
Yeah, we got this distro which is like the one we really support, but does not get the same development cycles. (Do they throw the interns on this before they move on to Enterprise?) And then it is not really a distro because it will be in beta forever and.......whatever.
I use Debian unstable. It is not bleeding edge, but it is out there. For example no KDE3.2 yet, but I am sure it is coming soon.
Nonetheless, the next time my Debian "unstable" box has a stability issue will be the first.
Ok so you are telling me that all this stuff I am hearing about phones that you can surf the Internet on, IM, take pictures, use Bluetooth, ssh, VNC, etc, all while typing on a numeric keypad with buttons 1/10th the size of my finger is a bunch of overblown hype.
Now I have to cancel my order on my Motorola v27000
Maybe they should start making movies based on books where you go to the theatre and just read the book on the big screen. The biggest special effect would be them getting the pages to turn without using someone's hand.
It was not a complete bash. You reiterated my point. "It's not as easy as Gentoo". It's not impossible obviously, but just not as easy.
It takes a little time to get all those nuances down in Debian as opposed to the standard stuff people get used to. It is not right or wrong, it's just different.
I have personally had some tarball issues recently. On the same machine with all dependencies squared away, Debian had issues,,Gentoo did not. That was on more than program. After reading on the net, other people had the same issues with compiling said programs.
Once again, not right or wrong, that is just what I saw. I still use Debian, but all the distros have their quirks.
I think the difficulty of using Debian has been overblown. When I moved to Debian, I was still a novice user. I had used Redhat before, but Redhat was getting too commercial. It was starting to do all the same stuff that I moved from Windows to get away from. I had always heard about Debian and wanted to just dive in with both feet and see what happened.
Granted, If you just download it and try to install it, it may be a little tricky. But there is a good article on Distrowatch on how to install it. I followed it step by step and after I did the install, it all made perfect sense to me. Especially the 7MB of packages I needed to download for a base install. (Net-Install is the way to go if you have broadband by the way) That is what I had been looking for. Let me apt-get what I want and leave all the junk I don't want off.
I happen to like the old, antiquated Debian installer as well. My fear with prettier installs is that they take a certain amount of control out of the users hands. That has seemed to be the trend in the past with other distros.
Finally, the amount of articles you can find on the Internet are limitless. So help is not hard to find (provided you get your NIC working)
I just don't want people to get scared off because I was as green as you could get with Linux and now I can load Debian on anything.
Word of warning however, Debian takes a lot of coaxing when compiling source code. It really prefers those binaries. So if you are a source code guy, I would go with Gentoo or Slackware. Unless you don't mind the extra effort.
Amen. And I don't want to hear another word out of MS's mouth about their server security until they quit putting IE and Outlook Express in a default server install.
"But you need IE to run Windows Update" OK then, change Windows Update.
And oh yeah. Opening up 5 to 10 ports by default is also not "more secure"
I am talking about this year's Oscars, not every year in the history of filmmaking.
My point is all things being equal for all films THIS YEAR, I would give the Oscar to Jackson for the things I mentioned.
And no, I will elaborate no further for you. Go watch some behind the scenes stuff and see what these people did to make these films.
I hope this is the year, but you could be right.
Especially since it is going against the 21st century Oscar lovechild Russel Crowe. Not saying he is not a good actor, but I think he could play Shaggy in Scooby Doo and they would give him an Oscar.
As Tom Hanks was in the 90's, although it is hard to dispute how good his performances were.
Whether the content of the films was better or not, or the actors involved or any other factors for that matter was better on one or the other (long intro)......I think Peter Jackson should get the nod when you factor in all the tangible things.
1. The amount of time filming.
2. Doing them all at the same time.
3. Relying on CGI that in some cases did not
even exist during initial filming.
4. Logistics.
5. And just the overall grand scale of the
thing. The time and effort they put into
every little detail was a monumental
effort.
I think he should be rewarded for directing the biggest and best trilogy (IMHO) ever.
I compare it to sports (sorry if I can't talk about that around here). They always want to pick the coach of the year for taking a not so great team and getting the most out of them. What about the coach who has the most talent and the most resources at his disposal and takes them to the top. Is he less of a coach?
Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.
So what about THE actual movie made IT the worst. It sounds MORE like this IS the worst movie you DID NOT see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry about the random capitalizations, just following suit.
However, I am right there with you on the cell phone thing. If you lead such a dynamic life that you can't spare any of your time without getting on the phone then go hang out somewhere else where people like you can all be together. Go hang out at the airport, or Starbucks, or anywhere else where the laptoppers, Wi-Fiers, Blackberry, and other PDA people hang out.
I had some guy in front of my as well on the phone. I think the 3 or 4 calls he got were from the same person. When will that person figure out or when will the cell phone guy tell them, I AM IN THE FREAKING MOVIE THEATER. Even if I wanted to talk, I CAN'T FREAKING HEAR YOU.
But that is too much too ask, because apparently everyone in society has to cut million dollar deals and consult on surgery or something 24/7/365 now. Either that or talk about Shit Zoo's.
Man I got off on a tangent. Anyway, my point is. ROTK was awesome.
I am not the biggest MS fan, but I am less a fan of people doing stupid crap to get over and other legal shenanigans that take advantage of our less than perfect legal system. Now instead of coming down on a 17yr old they have gone the other way and caved in. Thereby setting the precedent for other punks to start buying domain names that vaguely resemble Microsoft.com so they can get their free stuff.
They would have saved themselves money and time buy just letting the kid keep his domain name and moving on with life. But with all "suits", they just couldn't let it go.
You are absolutely wrong. The guy's name is Mike Rowe. He did not change it to anger Microsoft. Now if he opens up a business called MikeRoweSoft, then perhaps we have an issue.
The reason people complain about Microsoft is stupid crap exactly like this.
I guess they think some goober is going to accidentally type in MikeRowesoft.com looking for information on Winders EXPee.
I can pretty much guarantee it won't be a Slashdot reader.
First of all, I only do net installs so this applies to that mainly, but CD installs as well. The key in my opinion is to not run tasksel and dselect. You will be there for a month going through the options. Just download the base packages (around 7MB). Then apt-get everything you want. That is (a) much less time consuming and (b) you only have to load what you want and not a bunch of crap you don't want.
I would agree on the security thing. Debian takes it as seriously as anyone. I run Debian "unstable" so I can get all the latest software. It is just my home machine, so I can afford to experiment. Nonetheless, Debian "unstable" is as stable as any Windows or Redhat machine I ever used.
I am not a developer, just a Joe Blow Linux user. I believe in security as much as the next guy. That being said, I am still on 2.4.22 and was going to wait until 2.6 came out, which I was anticipating to be in the next 30 days. Granted, it does not take all day to recompile a kernel, but it is worth the time to go to 2.4.23 or am I safe waiting until 2.6. This is not a server, just a laptop.
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I agree. If you have worked your way up to CEO, I would think OOPS should not be in your vocabulary anymore. I am just an IT Supervisor and I know better than that.
That is good enough for me. I kid because I love. That is why I use Debian.
That is probably only because Debian just put 3.2 into Unstable Saturday after it being out for a month to the rest of the distro world. They probably just went ahead got the advanced copy of 3.2.1 since it was so near completion so they could be the first distro to have it.
In related news, Hell finally froze over.
I concur. If people want to get "non-free" software, they can just get it somewhere else. That being said, I would leave it up to the software originator. If they don't mind having their software GPL'd, then they just put it in the regular repositories. If they do mind, then it does not go in there.
The only non-free thing I have ever used is unrar. There are so many other places to get it that I am not going to stop using Debian because I have to go to more than one place to get Linux software. I don't see the big deal.
But then again, I don't use much non-free, so I am not the world's biggest expert.
I am not going to give them too much grief for putting a pop up killer in IE since other browsers already have it.
The firewall was shady to begin with especially since it was unconfigurable.
But now putting antivirus in there is just sticking it out there waiting to get it cut off.
Next they should put in their own Microbat PDF creator, Microshop Imaging suite, Windowszip, Microrar, Micro-aware spyware killer, Microzaa P2P client, and MSCD Creator burning client.
Their target demographic is so obvious. Let's just assume that Windows XP is a great OS. That is fine. But to say that their firewall is better than Zone Alarm - it's not. To say that Windows Media Player should be your default for every media on the planet - it should not. To say that their antivirus is better than Norton, Mcafee, etc - of course it's not. But their hope is that the people who buy the prebundled OS will be too lazy to go get good software.
Then they can say consumer choice put all these other software companies out of business, not them.
I don't see how this will see the light of day, but I am sure with enough palm greasing it will.
You gave me an idea. 3D Realms(DNF) can claim that Vaporware is their intellectual property and sue Infinium for infringing on that.
Too bad judges don't say that
Mr Gates: "But your honor, Media Player and IE are imbedded into the operating system and we would have to change our code to get them out."
Judge: "What part of take it out of there did you not hear son. Listen numbnuts, you talk about what great software your write, so go rewrite it."
Mr Gates: "But your honor, that would take us at least until 2047 to comply with this request"
Judge: "So what does that have to do with my ruling. Take it out. You have until Dec 31, 2004. Bailiff, next case"
Wow, if this happened, the entire judicial system would work. Too bad it will never happen.
Knoppix is neat and all, but it gets way too much pub. If I wanted an OS that I could just pop a CD in a drive and load, I would go get Windows and save the Linux hassle. The fact of the matter is that I went to Linux to take more control over my computing experience. I think Knoppix is cool for beginners and it is a pretty good rescue option. But I don't even put it on the list when comparing RH, Fedora, Gentoo, Debian, etc.
I am not going to go run a server farm on Knoppix.
I was going to mod you down, just because you asked for it and I am a spiteful person. But I must admit, you are right on in this post.
.......whatever.
I don't even know what the point of Fedora is.
Yeah, we got this distro which is like the one we really support, but does not get the same development cycles. (Do they throw the interns on this before they move on to Enterprise?) And then it is not really a distro because it will be in beta forever and
I use Debian unstable. It is not bleeding edge, but it is out there. For example no KDE3.2 yet, but I am sure it is coming soon.
Nonetheless, the next time my Debian "unstable" box has a stability issue will be the first.
Ok so you are telling me that all this stuff I am hearing about phones that you can surf the Internet on, IM, take pictures, use Bluetooth, ssh, VNC, etc, all while typing on a numeric keypad with buttons 1/10th the size of my finger is a bunch of overblown hype. Now I have to cancel my order on my Motorola v27000
Maybe they should start making movies based on books where you go to the theatre and just read the book on the big screen. The biggest special effect would be them getting the pages to turn without using someone's hand.
I bet that would rock on IMAX.
It was not a complete bash. You reiterated my point. "It's not as easy as Gentoo". It's not impossible obviously, but just not as easy.
,Gentoo did not. That was on more than program. After reading on the net, other people had the same issues with compiling said programs.
It takes a little time to get all those nuances down in Debian as opposed to the standard stuff people get used to. It is not right or wrong, it's just different.
I have personally had some tarball issues recently. On the same machine with all dependencies squared away, Debian had issues,
Once again, not right or wrong, that is just what I saw. I still use Debian, but all the distros have their quirks.
I think the difficulty of using Debian has been overblown. When I moved to Debian, I was still a novice user. I had used Redhat before, but Redhat was getting too commercial. It was starting to do all the same stuff that I moved from Windows to get away from. I had always heard about Debian and wanted to just dive in with both feet and see what happened.
Granted, If you just download it and try to install it, it may be a little tricky. But there is a good article on Distrowatch on how to install it. I followed it step by step and after I did the install, it all made perfect sense to me. Especially the 7MB of packages I needed to download for a base install. (Net-Install is the way to go if you have broadband by the way) That is what I had been looking for. Let me apt-get what I want and leave all the junk I don't want off.
I happen to like the old, antiquated Debian installer as well. My fear with prettier installs is that they take a certain amount of control out of the users hands. That has seemed to be the trend in the past with other distros.
Finally, the amount of articles you can find on the Internet are limitless. So help is not hard to find (provided you get your NIC working)
I just don't want people to get scared off because I was as green as you could get with Linux and now I can load Debian on anything.
Word of warning however, Debian takes a lot of coaxing when compiling source code. It really prefers those binaries. So if you are a source code guy, I would go with Gentoo or Slackware. Unless you don't mind the extra effort.
Amen. And I don't want to hear another word out of MS's mouth about their server security until they quit putting IE and Outlook Express in a default server install. "But you need IE to run Windows Update" OK then, change Windows Update. And oh yeah. Opening up 5 to 10 ports by default is also not "more secure"
I am talking about this year's Oscars, not every year in the history of filmmaking. My point is all things being equal for all films THIS YEAR, I would give the Oscar to Jackson for the things I mentioned. And no, I will elaborate no further for you. Go watch some behind the scenes stuff and see what these people did to make these films.
I hope this is the year, but you could be right. Especially since it is going against the 21st century Oscar lovechild Russel Crowe. Not saying he is not a good actor, but I think he could play Shaggy in Scooby Doo and they would give him an Oscar. As Tom Hanks was in the 90's, although it is hard to dispute how good his performances were.
Whether the content of the films was better or not, or the actors involved or any other factors for that matter was better on one or the other (long intro)......I think Peter Jackson should get the nod when you factor in all the tangible things. 1. The amount of time filming. 2. Doing them all at the same time. 3. Relying on CGI that in some cases did not even exist during initial filming. 4. Logistics. 5. And just the overall grand scale of the thing. The time and effort they put into every little detail was a monumental effort. I think he should be rewarded for directing the biggest and best trilogy (IMHO) ever. I compare it to sports (sorry if I can't talk about that around here). They always want to pick the coach of the year for taking a not so great team and getting the most out of them. What about the coach who has the most talent and the most resources at his disposal and takes them to the top. Is he less of a coach? Of course that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.
So what about THE actual movie made IT the worst. It sounds MORE like this IS the worst movie you DID NOT see!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry about the random capitalizations, just following suit. However, I am right there with you on the cell phone thing. If you lead such a dynamic life that you can't spare any of your time without getting on the phone then go hang out somewhere else where people like you can all be together. Go hang out at the airport, or Starbucks, or anywhere else where the laptoppers, Wi-Fiers, Blackberry, and other PDA people hang out. I had some guy in front of my as well on the phone. I think the 3 or 4 calls he got were from the same person. When will that person figure out or when will the cell phone guy tell them, I AM IN THE FREAKING MOVIE THEATER. Even if I wanted to talk, I CAN'T FREAKING HEAR YOU. But that is too much too ask, because apparently everyone in society has to cut million dollar deals and consult on surgery or something 24/7/365 now. Either that or talk about Shit Zoo's. Man I got off on a tangent. Anyway, my point is. ROTK was awesome.
I am not the biggest MS fan, but I am less a fan of people doing stupid crap to get over and other legal shenanigans that take advantage of our less than perfect legal system. Now instead of coming down on a 17yr old they have gone the other way and caved in. Thereby setting the precedent for other punks to start buying domain names that vaguely resemble Microsoft.com so they can get their free stuff. They would have saved themselves money and time buy just letting the kid keep his domain name and moving on with life. But with all "suits", they just couldn't let it go.
You are absolutely wrong. The guy's name is Mike Rowe. He did not change it to anger Microsoft. Now if he opens up a business called MikeRoweSoft, then perhaps we have an issue. The reason people complain about Microsoft is stupid crap exactly like this. I guess they think some goober is going to accidentally type in MikeRowesoft.com looking for information on Winders EXPee. I can pretty much guarantee it won't be a Slashdot reader.
First of all, I only do net installs so this applies to that mainly, but CD installs as well. The key in my opinion is to not run tasksel and dselect. You will be there for a month going through the options. Just download the base packages (around 7MB). Then apt-get everything you want. That is (a) much less time consuming and (b) you only have to load what you want and not a bunch of crap you don't want.
I would agree on the security thing. Debian takes it as seriously as anyone. I run Debian "unstable" so I can get all the latest software. It is just my home machine, so I can afford to experiment. Nonetheless, Debian "unstable" is as stable as any Windows or Redhat machine I ever used.
I am not a developer, just a Joe Blow Linux user. I believe in security as much as the next guy. That being said, I am still on 2.4.22 and was going to wait until 2.6 came out, which I was anticipating to be in the next 30 days. Granted, it does not take all day to recompile a kernel, but it is worth the time to go to 2.4.23 or am I safe waiting until 2.6. This is not a server, just a laptop.