More like I hate the typical/. meme's that maintain the "I learned C first and it is the only way to write n-tier web apps," that seem to shoot straight up in moderation.
I can understand the bloat brought on by OO, such as the proliferation of function pointers, increased use of dynamic memory, and of course, the executable image size hit of template instantiation. However in my limited experience I find that an OO-design doesn't have to be bloated or slow...especially not for the abstraction benefits.
I bought a new, full, retail Photoshop CS copy straight from Adobe for $299 after buying a broken Microtek X12USL scanner off EBay for $35 (incl. shipping) and using the enclosed Photoshop Elements 2.0 serial number to upgrade to CS. The Microtek website has details on the offer.
Ah, nothing like the typical OO FUD that gets moderated up. I assume straight C is the only way to write applications? Have some statistics to back up your claims?
This is so amusing, and so simple that no one sees it.
Most people just use their computers, and don't drag religion into it. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter what OS you use as long as you can do what you want on your computer. Sure, each OS is good in some areas and worse in others, but it always amazes me that for a group of people acting for "freedom" try to scare users into switching to their cause. Or, you advocate choice, but you cry foul any time some big organization chooses something else.
So, lets see some empirical proof instead of blowing hot air. I mean, links to multiple, documented studies that explicitly disprove the findings of the Bible. Because, since you are all so "educated," should be easy to find.
Heaven forbid a cracking utility's source code actually be readable! I dare say the code is beautiful as it is and a testament to higher-level langauges. I am also pleased that someone like DVD Jon would use it instead of clinging to old technology (C) with shallow hopes of maintaining an 'elite' image.
In the midst of the, "it's not C it sucks," and "it has a GC only real programmers manage memory," and other bullshit arguments you're just ignoring what is generally a much needed cleanup of C++ that isn't terribly more complicated than the original C. I'm not saying you have to like it, but everyone seems to have read the tag line and not actually gone to the site. Walter is very thorough about why he made the choices he did. The only real point I've seen in all the posts was that it needs dynamic class loading, and I've wanted introspection to at least be an option. Also, I disagree with the syntax he used for templates, but that is a minor issue.
With C#'s generics being somewhat gimped and users working on a functional library for D that is similar to STL but easier to use, D is really shaping up nicely as a future development platform and a bleeding-edge language, kind of like what C++ is today with template metaprogramming. I tend to gravitate towards the looser, more esoteric languages like Perl and C++ because of the steep learning curve -- who doesn't enjoy a challenge?
So don't bitch about how it sucks because it isn't C. It's amazing C is still kicking.
So are you going to address your irrational and (what appears to be) unfounded fear of the.NET framework? Cite specific sources for claims of DRM, because I sure haven't seen them.
I know knowledgable comments are looked down on at Slashdot, but the.NET SDK has been free from the start and included cl.exe, (the C++ compiler) but it was the non-optimizing compiler I think. What the.NET SDK didn't have was the full STL and a few other things that are now free.
The end-result of this is everyone gets a free compiler upgrade if they haven't moved to VC7.1 already. It means on my OSS project I can say "VC7.1 minimum," and expect everyone can follow suit without a problem. However I realize this isn't as fun as tin-foil explanations, so I'll let you get back to that.
What does it matter? The bots should be made fun of because they just spout memes and get modded up to +5, [mis]informative. I don't see why you care so much...unless you are an ex-bot or something. Although I can see how the anti-slashbot mentality is a meme too. Kind of like those goth kids, y'know?
Oh and plenty of people make posts that don't make sense and get modded up, this is the Internet dude: logical thinking skills are entirely optional. I just happened to be mostly asleep at the time.:)
I wish Slashdot would stop posting stories like this, I don't know what to think when the evil Microsoft runs afoul of patents. Maybe the editors could put something in the summary so we wouldn't have to think these things through. I shudder at the mere suggestion of doing so!
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More like I hate the typical /. meme's that maintain the "I learned C first and it is the only way to write n-tier web apps," that seem to shoot straight up in moderation.
I can understand the bloat brought on by OO, such as the proliferation of function pointers, increased use of dynamic memory, and of course, the executable image size hit of template instantiation. However in my limited experience I find that an OO-design doesn't have to be bloated or slow...especially not for the abstraction benefits.
I bought a new, full, retail Photoshop CS copy straight from Adobe for $299 after buying a broken Microtek X12USL scanner off EBay for $35 (incl. shipping) and using the enclosed Photoshop Elements 2.0 serial number to upgrade to CS. The Microtek website has details on the offer.
Total price: $335. Far more reasonable.
Ah, nothing like the typical OO FUD that gets moderated up. I assume straight C is the only way to write applications? Have some statistics to back up your claims?
Erm, I never found Max Payne preachy at all. I mean, I'd be pissed if a bunch of drug fiends shot up my family.
OK, so we agree its stupid I can't remove IE/WMP/MSN.
So, I want to play games. Guess I'll move to Linux then. *snicker*
So, what can't I do on my computer with Windows?
The average person doesn't give a flip about any of that.
This is so amusing, and so simple that no one sees it.
Most people just use their computers, and don't drag religion into it. I mean, in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't really matter what OS you use as long as you can do what you want on your computer. Sure, each OS is good in some areas and worse in others, but it always amazes me that for a group of people acting for "freedom" try to scare users into switching to their cause. Or, you advocate choice, but you cry foul any time some big organization chooses something else.
We know it'll hold up in court. Right? Guys? Hello?
Unfortunately, sarcasm is completely lost on the Internet.
So, lets see some empirical proof instead of blowing hot air. I mean, links to multiple, documented studies that explicitly disprove the findings of the Bible. Because, since you are all so "educated," should be easy to find.
OO's stunningly good looks on Mac OS X.
Heaven forbid a cracking utility's source code actually be readable! I dare say the code is beautiful as it is and a testament to higher-level langauges. I am also pleased that someone like DVD Jon would use it instead of clinging to old technology (C) with shallow hopes of maintaining an 'elite' image.
Ah the famous Slashdot Reality Distortion field. Jobs only WISHES he could emanate one that is even half as strong as Slashdot's groupthink. :)
You people take this entirely too seriously. And it amuses me to no end. "THIS IS WAR GUYS AND MS ATTACKS ON MULTIPLE FRONTS!!!"
In the midst of the, "it's not C it sucks," and "it has a GC only real programmers manage memory," and other bullshit arguments you're just ignoring what is generally a much needed cleanup of C++ that isn't terribly more complicated than the original C. I'm not saying you have to like it, but everyone seems to have read the tag line and not actually gone to the site. Walter is very thorough about why he made the choices he did. The only real point I've seen in all the posts was that it needs dynamic class loading, and I've wanted introspection to at least be an option. Also, I disagree with the syntax he used for templates, but that is a minor issue.
With C#'s generics being somewhat gimped and users working on a functional library for D that is similar to STL but easier to use, D is really shaping up nicely as a future development platform and a bleeding-edge language, kind of like what C++ is today with template metaprogramming. I tend to gravitate towards the looser, more esoteric languages like Perl and C++ because of the steep learning curve -- who doesn't enjoy a challenge?
So don't bitch about how it sucks because it isn't C. It's amazing C is still kicking.
So are you going to address your irrational and (what appears to be) unfounded fear of the .NET framework? Cite specific sources for claims of DRM, because I sure haven't seen them.
Yes, its a captive audience, at least they listen.
The system requirements list Win2000 on up and you complain that it won't install on Win98. Classic.
I know knowledgable comments are looked down on at Slashdot, but the .NET SDK has been free from the start and included cl.exe, (the C++ compiler) but it was the non-optimizing compiler I think. What the .NET SDK didn't have was the full STL and a few other things that are now free.
The end-result of this is everyone gets a free compiler upgrade if they haven't moved to VC7.1 already. It means on my OSS project I can say "VC7.1 minimum," and expect everyone can follow suit without a problem. However I realize this isn't as fun as tin-foil explanations, so I'll let you get back to that.
What does it matter? The bots should be made fun of because they just spout memes and get modded up to +5, [mis]informative. I don't see why you care so much...unless you are an ex-bot or something. Although I can see how the anti-slashbot mentality is a meme too. Kind of like those goth kids, y'know?
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Oh and plenty of people make posts that don't make sense and get modded up, this is the Internet dude: logical thinking skills are entirely optional. I just happened to be mostly asleep at the time.
I wish Slashdot would stop posting stories like this, I don't know what to think when the evil Microsoft runs afoul of patents. Maybe the editors could put something in the summary so we wouldn't have to think these things through. I shudder at the mere suggestion of doing so!
Luser: How come copy-paste doesn't work the same way in every app?
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Training guy:
Quantify this slowness then. Show me statistics that back this claim up. Don't spout hot air.
Beloated?
Right. Anyway how does it turn it into a lag terminal? You don't even mention what the specs of the machine are.
In other words, justify what you're saying instead of chanting yet another Slashdot meme.