The reality is your disks are off the PCIe bus no matter what.
The reality is that something has to do the RAID calculations and a single core 1GHz 32bit PowerPC is not as good at it as a Xeon with several cores each at least three times faster. You have to do those calcs before shovelling data to the disks, and if you can do it even before shoving it through the PCIe bus even better. With RAID6/raidz2 it's not going to take a lot before that single core 1GHz 32bit PowerPC can't keep the disks fed at full speed. It's a bottleneck.
I'm far from the only one who has had the thing hang consistently merely due to a service not starting, a situation that should not happen in an init system of an operating system intended for production use. It's one of many design problems and demonstrates that the "parallel" claims of fanboys who do not understand the system they are cheering for is nothing but a deluded lie. I'm sorry kid, your fanboy shit is tedious, appears to be coming from ignorance and I will continue to use the dinosaur system you hate until something else is ready. Even back in 1994 linux was more stable than it is now with systemD. Take a look at the bug reports instead of just mindlessly cheering. There is a focus on expand and conquer before fixing existing bugs.
I told my IT department something similar and they were on the floor laughing at me for my supposed stupidity
They are very much out of date. Ask them what processors are in the RAID cards, they will not have a clue but they may look things up and get up to date.
A current Xeon can do a bit more than a PowerPC CPU that came out eight years ago. ZFS (and several other things) do exactly the same RAID calculations as on those cards only on significantly faster hardware.
If you want something like ZFS it's a couple of years ahead of linux. Otherwise it's fairly similar and slightly better ft on older hardware than current versions of linux. Not much point in trying it without one of those two reasons since it's really very similar to what you are used to.
As a final note, the ports collection on FreeBSD appears to be the Gentoo linux dream achieved. Just tick boxes instead of choosing compile flags.
Not such a huge deal now since ZFS exists to do the RAID calculations. RAID controllers just do not have much processing power or memory so getting the systems CPU to do the work almost always gives you better performance once you are talking about RAID6 or raidz2. I'm not even sure that they will give you better performance with mirroring.
Yes, yes, we get it, you've got a political barrow to push as seen by the "Fisking" entry in your jargon file. That 40kg or so of Plutonium per year from Dimona would be going into a few bombs that could cause a few deaths.
Perhaps but I'd say very different instead of "pretty poor novel". The others are often about exploring new ideas while Incandescence and the Clockwork Rocket series are about exploring established ideas from a different perspective.
You have something there, given that one of his themes was that immortality would really suck and some of his settings were in a world immediately after massive depopulation. I did enjoy his works but I was very active and happy at the time so that's probably why I didn't see them as depressing to read. I actually found the bit about the efforts of English speakers of the future attempting to understand the last Scotsman funny instead of the obvious depressing issue of the populations of entire nations lost.
The problem is, people (like you) see things through
You got all that from a simple comment giving a very rough summary of the situation? Didn't the words I started with "Not quite so simple" give you a bit of a clue? How about discussing the issue instead of trying to put words in others mouths?
on earth have I implicated that you (or anyone else for that matter) are negligible by not changing to systemd?
You seemed to be pushing very hard for me to solve my "problem" of not being on RHEL7. As for your second bit of trying to send me on a fishing expedition into systemD innards, it evades the issue of systemD hanging merely due to not being able to start a single service and ignores that such a problem shows the "systemD is better because it starts in parallel" is a lie. It didn't continue down another branch, it had a single point of failure and it didn't deal with the failure and move on like production quality software such as the thing it is replacing does.
Not quite so simple. Backing one faction over the other for some years turned it into an angry bloodbath when we pulled out and that faction was no longer strong. It needed careful management. Instead we had Rumsfeld and similar wastes of space calling the shots. He picked a side arbitrarily without having the least clue what he was doing.
Even a brutal dictator is better than anarchy.
Sometimes it's hard to be sure, and besides, it's rarely true anarchy anyway since there are existing power structures that can step in. For example, it's no accident that Egypt ended up with an Islamic government, the religious groups were the only ones that had been allowed to meet and organise because political assemblies had been banned for years. All other groups had to start from tiny secret cells or from zero while the people in the religious political groups had been meeting for years.
No problem. Just take one of the hundred thousand plus NSA private contractors to Vegas, keep them going until they lose badly (bank always wins in the end) and offer to cover their bill. You may think there is some conspiracy with top people doing a difficult job but I see a bunch of toy soldiers who got there via nepotism. A lot of them are barely out of their teens.
The "establishment" scorn a lot of things. Phillip K. Dick's novel "Confessions of a Crap Artist" 1959 (published 1975) is one of the best mainstream novels I've read but at the time the changes of point of view to different characters spooked the publishers. In the Science Fiction genre he was able to make it through the scorn and get his work published.
He didn't write much SF but George Turner fits mainly because he shifted from the mainstream to SF at an advanced age. He stirred a few people up by noting that most SF is definitely crap (but so is a lot of writing in general). The MilSciFi types should take a look at "Yesterday's Men (1983)" to see how it's done from the perspective of someone with combat experience. While Hornblower in Space with a magic cat may entertain it is possible to do better and be less derivative. Around his best is The Sea and Summer / Drowning Towers (1988)
Due to the Social Justice Warrior influx [battleswarmblog.com], the genre's awards are no longer given on merit, but rather on meeting the proper criteria of political, ethnic and gender correctness.
It appeared to me some people writing small press Military Science Fiction who would not have been able to be published if they were attempting to write mainstream Military Fiction were just a bit pissed off that they were not getting the awards but some women were. Hornblower in Space with a magic cat gets somewhere but most other Military Fiction cut and pasted into space is far more dismal than that. Those guys can't write the next Sharpe or Flashman whether it is in space or not. Once they can do something as good they will deserve awards, and IMHO they should try to write something good instead of just trying to game the system with that "slate" - a fucking how to vote card instead of what is supposed to happen with people rating the works they like more than the ones they don't. The blame the SJW shit is just an act of attempting to blame others for their own lack of success. If people write stuff on social justice or political themes and the majority of people like it more than others then they should get an award - Rand who is the darling of these "puppies" did exactly that didn't she?
Critics of literature and the guys who nominate books for literary awards probably don't read a lot of SF either, so they don't know the subgenres, which works to pick up and which ones to avoid
A good example of this is the English Literature acadmemic who had written an "ironic" steampunk Swift retelling (Lilliput with steam - not that there is anything wrong with that) who tore into Greg Egan for writing a novel where the aliens very apparently far too alien and there was far too much science in the fiction (the aliens were learning about relativity from observing their very extreme environment). It just did not fit the reviewers idea of cowboys in space (or other minor changes to the world we know - like his tweaks to Swift to put it in a new setting) that the reviewer thought of as science fiction.
And a whole lot of implications that I am negligent by not changing to the new system.
Just curios because I have seen so many anti-systemd people write it
It seems to be the way it's written about to make it stand out from "system" so I've followed that trend.
Regarding your mouse dongle I don't know why that happens for you, I use such a dongle myself (from logitech) without any issues so it's definitely not something that breaks for all such dongles
It's something that should never happen on a production init system - the hardware should be logged as failed to inform the user if it can't work out to do and it should move on. It's a very good example of a design failure.
since it's a hard dependency for some service.
Should that be enough to block the system from starting at all? Design failure IMHO - something so utterly trivial should not prevent a system for starting.
but #1 you can tab-complete
Another smoking gun. You said above you wrote init scripts, where's the tab complete in your text editor?
mine is enabled by the kernel and not by init
SystemD actually did log that one so I could debug it (unlike the other mystery failures to boot on other recent fedora systems every now and again). It was attempting to start a service to run the mouse and completely hung the system when systemD's mouse service failed. The first time it hung on startup over an entire weekend. About a dozen attempted starts and trying the dongle on another CentOS7 machine isolated the design fault. A single failed service should not hose the entire machine - EPIC FAIL.
It's looking very much as you have "a dog in the fight" and are pushing advocacy over reality since what you written diverges so much from what I have observed.
And what very verbose commands? is "systemctl" so much more to type
Now there is the smoking gun that shows you are pushing something you do not know about. I suggest you look up the documentation for "systemctl" and then you will see the incredibly verbose arguments that a user is expected to send to it and then you will understand what I am writing about. As an examples: systemctl isolate runlevel3.target systemctl enable systemd-readahead-collect.service
An init system that doesn't even respect inittab - what fun!
all due to the non parallelism of sysv.
That example of a wireless mouse dongle hanging forever while systemD is trying to work out what to do with it demonstrated to me very clearly that parallelism is not something that exists throughout systemD either. That was one I was able to debug but I've seen plenty of others where the thing just will not boot and is not logging or displaying why.
Other nations do it at the state level or regional level to avoid the current overtly common situation of polices forces run by corrupt local government. They then apply the doctrine of separation of powers. None of this shit where a mayor can get a sysadmin dragged off by the police just for being on the wrong side of office politics.
Sorry to reply again, but at heart this is a philosophical question anyway so beyond the realms of honest science.
I'm still scratching my head trying to find a "useful psuedoscience" as your words went. Can you provide an example? All those millions going to naturopaths and crystal healers have not contributed to progress of society.
bad if a PD uses that as their metric of success - it's really bad if someone else tells them that
Indeed. Which is why it's a mess to have so many tiny little police forces at the beck and call of small local governments instead of forces large enough to be more professional.
I've had machines hang due to systemD spending forever looking for a way to start something to run a USB wireless mouse dongle. I've had machines hang and had utterly no idea why and no logs later to tell me. Then later they have just worked with no changes. In my opinion it's just not ready for rollout. I want to be able to have a *nix system I can understand via the logs and not some fucking ghost story mysteries like running MS Windows 98 and wondering why it's not working today. Yes it's cool on a tablet or whatever for the new kids, but in server space where stuff is supposed to boringly just work without pieces of shit deciding to "change the paradigm" and break shells it just does not fit. Something boring that just works fits that role so someone like Lennart should not be running this project IMHO. I think given his history he should be doing something new instead of breaking something that works.
but the systemd one was the nicest to write and the nicest to run
Considering the moving target and the very verbose commands to interact with systemD I must say that I am having some doubts that you actually know anything about the subject matter. It's been an utter pain in the neck for me and extremely disappointing (simple things are no longer simple, stuff goes down and nothing shows up in the logs) so I find your comment appears to be the exact opposite of my experience. I don't want to have nagios watching utterly every little service like a hawk just because systemD doesn't have it's shit together and doesn't tell me when things fall over.
You missed the point. This endeavor will find scientific research and help us learn more about the true nature of the universe
I disagree very strongly with that point because I have not been that naive for decades. There are a LOT of scammers that will be attracted to this and people who are not scammers will stay away because they are worried about their reputation. In science, unlike business, once you have a reputation of being mixed up with fraud your career is over. As an example, Horvath's hydrogen car scam did NOTHING to progress technology. None of the hydrogen cars today are based in any way upon what he did, because his car wasn't really running on hydrogen.
When your metric of success is arrest numbers and not reduction in crime a deterrent does not matter. Personally I think the thousands of separate police forces run by local governments across the USA just do not individually have the scale to be run like the best of professional law enforcement elsewhere.
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The reality is that something has to do the RAID calculations and a single core 1GHz 32bit PowerPC is not as good at it as a Xeon with several cores each at least three times faster. You have to do those calcs before shovelling data to the disks, and if you can do it even before shoving it through the PCIe bus even better.
With RAID6/raidz2 it's not going to take a lot before that single core 1GHz 32bit PowerPC can't keep the disks fed at full speed. It's a bottleneck.
I'm far from the only one who has had the thing hang consistently merely due to a service not starting, a situation that should not happen in an init system of an operating system intended for production use.
It's one of many design problems and demonstrates that the "parallel" claims of fanboys who do not understand the system they are cheering for is nothing but a deluded lie.
I'm sorry kid, your fanboy shit is tedious, appears to be coming from ignorance and I will continue to use the dinosaur system you hate until something else is ready. Even back in 1994 linux was more stable than it is now with systemD.
Take a look at the bug reports instead of just mindlessly cheering. There is a focus on expand and conquer before fixing existing bugs.
They are very much out of date. Ask them what processors are in the RAID cards, they will not have a clue but they may look things up and get up to date.
A current Xeon can do a bit more than a PowerPC CPU that came out eight years ago. ZFS (and several other things) do exactly the same RAID calculations as on those cards only on significantly faster hardware.
If you want something like ZFS it's a couple of years ahead of linux.
Otherwise it's fairly similar and slightly better ft on older hardware than current versions of linux.
Not much point in trying it without one of those two reasons since it's really very similar to what you are used to.
As a final note, the ports collection on FreeBSD appears to be the Gentoo linux dream achieved. Just tick boxes instead of choosing compile flags.
Not such a huge deal now since ZFS exists to do the RAID calculations.
RAID controllers just do not have much processing power or memory so getting the systems CPU to do the work almost always gives you better performance once you are talking about RAID6 or raidz2. I'm not even sure that they will give you better performance with mirroring.
Yes, yes, we get it, you've got a political barrow to push as seen by the "Fisking" entry in your jargon file.
That 40kg or so of Plutonium per year from Dimona would be going into a few bombs that could cause a few deaths.
Mainly because we can't define it yet, which is also why we can't work out what computing capabilities would be enough.
Apparently just standing on two legs needs a ridiculous amount of computational ability.
Perhaps but I'd say very different instead of "pretty poor novel". The others are often about exploring new ideas while Incandescence and the Clockwork Rocket series are about exploring established ideas from a different perspective.
You have something there, given that one of his themes was that immortality would really suck and some of his settings were in a world immediately after massive depopulation.
I did enjoy his works but I was very active and happy at the time so that's probably why I didn't see them as depressing to read. I actually found the bit about the efforts of English speakers of the future attempting to understand the last Scotsman funny instead of the obvious depressing issue of the populations of entire nations lost.
You got all that from a simple comment giving a very rough summary of the situation? Didn't the words I started with "Not quite so simple" give you a bit of a clue?
How about discussing the issue instead of trying to put words in others mouths?
You seemed to be pushing very hard for me to solve my "problem" of not being on RHEL7.
As for your second bit of trying to send me on a fishing expedition into systemD innards, it evades the issue of systemD hanging merely due to not being able to start a single service and ignores that such a problem shows the "systemD is better because it starts in parallel" is a lie. It didn't continue down another branch, it had a single point of failure and it didn't deal with the failure and move on like production quality software such as the thing it is replacing does.
It needed careful management. Instead we had Rumsfeld and similar wastes of space calling the shots. He picked a side arbitrarily without having the least clue what he was doing.
Sometimes it's hard to be sure, and besides, it's rarely true anarchy anyway since there are existing power structures that can step in. For example, it's no accident that Egypt ended up with an Islamic government, the religious groups were the only ones that had been allowed to meet and organise because political assemblies had been banned for years. All other groups had to start from tiny secret cells or from zero while the people in the religious political groups had been meeting for years.
No problem. Just take one of the hundred thousand plus NSA private contractors to Vegas, keep them going until they lose badly (bank always wins in the end) and offer to cover their bill.
You may think there is some conspiracy with top people doing a difficult job but I see a bunch of toy soldiers who got there via nepotism. A lot of them are barely out of their teens.
The "establishment" scorn a lot of things.
Phillip K. Dick's novel "Confessions of a Crap Artist" 1959 (published 1975) is one of the best mainstream novels I've read but at the time the changes of point of view to different characters spooked the publishers. In the Science Fiction genre he was able to make it through the scorn and get his work published.
He didn't write much SF but George Turner fits mainly because he shifted from the mainstream to SF at an advanced age.
He stirred a few people up by noting that most SF is definitely crap (but so is a lot of writing in general). The MilSciFi types should take a look at "Yesterday's Men (1983)" to see how it's done from the perspective of someone with combat experience. While Hornblower in Space with a magic cat may entertain it is possible to do better and be less derivative. Around his best is The Sea and Summer / Drowning Towers (1988)
It appeared to me some people writing small press Military Science Fiction who would not have been able to be published if they were attempting to write mainstream Military Fiction were just a bit pissed off that they were not getting the awards but some women were.
Hornblower in Space with a magic cat gets somewhere but most other Military Fiction cut and pasted into space is far more dismal than that. Those guys can't write the next Sharpe or Flashman whether it is in space or not. Once they can do something as good they will deserve awards, and IMHO they should try to write something good instead of just trying to game the system with that "slate" - a fucking how to vote card instead of what is supposed to happen with people rating the works they like more than the ones they don't.
The blame the SJW shit is just an act of attempting to blame others for their own lack of success. If people write stuff on social justice or political themes and the majority of people like it more than others then they should get an award - Rand who is the darling of these "puppies" did exactly that didn't she?
A good example of this is the English Literature acadmemic who had written an "ironic" steampunk Swift retelling (Lilliput with steam - not that there is anything wrong with that) who tore into Greg Egan for writing a novel where the aliens very apparently far too alien and there was far too much science in the fiction (the aliens were learning about relativity from observing their very extreme environment). It just did not fit the reviewers idea of cowboys in space (or other minor changes to the world we know - like his tweaks to Swift to put it in a new setting) that the reviewer thought of as science fiction.
And a whole lot of implications that I am negligent by not changing to the new system.
It seems to be the way it's written about to make it stand out from "system" so I've followed that trend.
It's something that should never happen on a production init system - the hardware should be logged as failed to inform the user if it can't work out to do and it should move on. It's a very good example of a design failure.
Should that be enough to block the system from starting at all? Design failure IMHO - something so utterly trivial should not prevent a system for starting.
Another smoking gun. You said above you wrote init scripts, where's the tab complete in your text editor?
SystemD actually did log that one so I could debug it (unlike the other mystery failures to boot on other recent fedora systems every now and again). It was attempting to start a service to run the mouse and completely hung the system when systemD's mouse service failed. The first time it hung on startup over an entire weekend. About a dozen attempted starts and trying the dongle on another CentOS7 machine isolated the design fault.
A single failed service should not hose the entire machine - EPIC FAIL.
Now there is the smoking gun that shows you are pushing something you do not know about. I suggest you look up the documentation for "systemctl" and then you will see the incredibly verbose arguments that a user is expected to send to it and then you will understand what I am writing about. As an examples:
systemctl isolate runlevel3.target
systemctl enable systemd-readahead-collect.service
An init system that doesn't even respect inittab - what fun!
That example of a wireless mouse dongle hanging forever while systemD is trying to work out what to do with it demonstrated to me very clearly that parallelism is not something that exists throughout systemD either. That was one I was able to debug but I've seen plenty of others where the thing just will not boot and is not logging or displaying why.
Other nations do it at the state level or regional level to avoid the current overtly common situation of polices forces run by corrupt local government. They then apply the doctrine of separation of powers. None of this shit where a mayor can get a sysadmin dragged off by the police just for being on the wrong side of office politics.
Sorry to reply again, but at heart this is a philosophical question anyway so beyond the realms of honest science.
I'm still scratching my head trying to find a "useful psuedoscience" as your words went. Can you provide an example? All those millions going to naturopaths and crystal healers have not contributed to progress of society.
Indeed. Which is why it's a mess to have so many tiny little police forces at the beck and call of small local governments instead of forces large enough to be more professional.
In my opinion it's just not ready for rollout.
I want to be able to have a *nix system I can understand via the logs and not some fucking ghost story mysteries like running MS Windows 98 and wondering why it's not working today.
Yes it's cool on a tablet or whatever for the new kids, but in server space where stuff is supposed to boringly just work without pieces of shit deciding to "change the paradigm" and break shells it just does not fit. Something boring that just works fits that role so someone like Lennart should not be running this project IMHO. I think given his history he should be doing something new instead of breaking something that works.
Considering the moving target and the very verbose commands to interact with systemD I must say that I am having some doubts that you actually know anything about the subject matter. It's been an utter pain in the neck for me and extremely disappointing (simple things are no longer simple, stuff goes down and nothing shows up in the logs) so I find your comment appears to be the exact opposite of my experience. I don't want to have nagios watching utterly every little service like a hawk just because systemD doesn't have it's shit together and doesn't tell me when things fall over.
I disagree very strongly with that point because I have not been that naive for decades. There are a LOT of scammers that will be attracted to this and people who are not scammers will stay away because they are worried about their reputation. In science, unlike business, once you have a reputation of being mixed up with fraud your career is over.
As an example, Horvath's hydrogen car scam did NOTHING to progress technology. None of the hydrogen cars today are based in any way upon what he did, because his car wasn't really running on hydrogen.
When your metric of success is arrest numbers and not reduction in crime a deterrent does not matter.
Personally I think the thousands of separate police forces run by local governments across the USA just do not individually have the scale to be run like the best of professional law enforcement elsewhere.