Sure - setup costs, but after a while capital equipment pays for itself. A testing place I used to work at recovered the silver from used photographic chemicals and it added up over time. Gold is potentially easier to recover in bulk since a lot of chemicals dissolve just about everything else leaving the gold behind. Using mercury makes it even easier to got the gold:)
I think they just want a really tall tower. The air inside isn't going to move very fast but there is a LOT of it from those concept images. The servers may as well be outside.
I agree with you and the article points it out. The GP promotes a bit of a fantasy world as his other posts show - possibly some sort of "social media worker" pushing an agenda from a political office.
It appears the point is to have a huge empty space inside and the server fans are apparently drawing cold air from the outside to dump exhaust in that huge empty space where the hot air will slowly rise without heating up the core area much at all. That's why the concept is not as much as a disaster as suggested. I can see a lot of potential problems with input air (weather etc) but your comment above relies on assumptions that do not fit the concept images at all - look at all that empty space!
It's those trying to undermine the fact that the 2A guarantees a right of the people, by claiming that it only refers to the Militia
Thanks, will you tell those nuts that next time or will I:) They seem to be arguing pretty strongly that it gives them the right to bear anything the military has though.
You really need to catch up on your US and European history.
This from the guy that has called the USA a manufacturing powerhouse since 2000? You never told me what is your "reality"? You keep on throwing around shit about "the real world" but from where - the position of an intern doing "social media work" in a political office or marketing company or where? What field does the science and reality denier "ooloorie" work in? What makes you fit to throw rubbery derived metrics around and insults in an attempt to ridicule me when I mention hard physical or economic measures?
Spot on. If people understood that we wouldn't have so many screaming second amendment weekend gun weenies claiming to be "militia" - and forgetting that if that's the only reason they are allowed guns then they have to hand them in when they turn 45. Obviously it's not the reason they are allowed guns since they can keep them when they are no longer classed as "militia" by a twisted definition of pretending that potential means actual.
Thermodynamics are simply not on the side of this being a particularly better cooling design
It's hilarious when coders write like that. It could be better but the concept is not as much as a disaster as suggested - read the first three chapters of a first year thermodynamics text and you'll see that thermodynamics is roughly on the same side:)
eg: the North Atlantic ocean makes a great heat sink
Yes but salt water cooling plus fighting with marine life is a huge pain in comparison with a small body of fresh water - hence cost and practicality - it's more practical to site in some place instead of others. Powering with 100% geothermal is definitely possible and while it may take time and have scaling issues it's definitely a good direction to head in for any place that has a lot of geothermal heat if only to get less dependence from imported resources. That said, monocultures suck and are just asking for a systemic failure so 100% of anything is a bad idea.
So derived and skewed "data" from some place well known for country music trumps national import figures, export figures and employment figures? Good to know what sort of person has suddenly decided to insult me and then marked me foe after being called out on it.
You first said that "jobs have been moving to China"; wrong
You indeed wrong - I did not say that at all you lying and insulting creature. You have put words in my mouth and then presented graphs based on a "gut feel" metric as some sort of evidence, presumably so that you could laugh at how ignorant I am if I fell for it.
You keep throwing that "reality" word around despite using a very rubbery metric. What is your reality you insulting creature - are you some sort of political staffer or something?
Politeness isn't the issue. Making a reasoned argument is the issue.
How do you make a reasoned argument against fantasy and lies to those who consider reason itself to have no more relative value than emotion? There lies the problem with the climate "debate". Climate reality versus vested interests that wish to distract from reality and have little or no scruples.
In what way is Thatcher a scientific argument
It isn't. It's an example of someone from the conservative side of politics that took advice from subject matter experts in the absence of a lobby group giving contrary advice. It is to point out that this is not a "conservative versus liberal" issue at all.
At the heart of every Marxist argument
What has that got to do with anything? Are you setting me up as some kind of strawman?
Cooling towers are sited where land use is not an issue so can afford to have a broad base. There are probably other constraints here such as land cost that are not instantly obvious.
powered by 100 percent geothermal energy. (Whether that's actually possible
They have access to enormous amounts of geothermal heat there so possible is not the issue, cost, lead time and practicality is. You need heat sinks as well as heat sources so having a lake or something near the heat source makes it easier.
Heat not photovoltaics. If solar gets the air and heat moving that's a major win even if the power to actually drive the servers comes from somewhere else.
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A lot of the gold being produced today is in ores containing other metals such as copper, silver and uranium.
Sure - setup costs, but after a while capital equipment pays for itself. :)
A testing place I used to work at recovered the silver from used photographic chemicals and it added up over time. Gold is potentially easier to recover in bulk since a lot of chemicals dissolve just about everything else leaving the gold behind. Using mercury makes it even easier to got the gold
I think they just want a really tall tower. The air inside isn't going to move very fast but there is a LOT of it from those concept images. The servers may as well be outside.
And you know because of what exactly?
I agree with you and the article points it out.
The GP promotes a bit of a fantasy world as his other posts show - possibly some sort of "social media worker" pushing an agenda from a political office.
It's a huge empty space. It doesn't matter if it's a bad chimney if you are not moving a lot of heat per cubic metre.
It appears the point is to have a huge empty space inside and the server fans are apparently drawing cold air from the outside to dump exhaust in that huge empty space where the hot air will slowly rise without heating up the core area much at all. That's why the concept is not as much as a disaster as suggested.
I can see a lot of potential problems with input air (weather etc) but your comment above relies on assumptions that do not fit the concept images at all - look at all that empty space!
Thanks, will you tell those nuts that next time or will I :)
They seem to be arguing pretty strongly that it gives them the right to bear anything the military has though.
Obviously you can't read more than a few words at a time. Work on that short term memory!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
This from the guy that has called the USA a manufacturing powerhouse since 2000?
You never told me what is your "reality"? You keep on throwing around shit about "the real world" but from where - the position of an intern doing "social media work" in a political office or marketing company or where? What field does the science and reality denier "ooloorie" work in? What makes you fit to throw rubbery derived metrics around and insults in an attempt to ridicule me when I mention hard physical or economic measures?
Until they turn 45.
Obviously it's about the National Guard and has fuckall to do with actual gun ownership.
Spot on.
If people understood that we wouldn't have so many screaming second amendment weekend gun weenies claiming to be "militia" - and forgetting that if that's the only reason they are allowed guns then they have to hand them in when they turn 45. Obviously it's not the reason they are allowed guns since they can keep them when they are no longer classed as "militia" by a twisted definition of pretending that potential means actual.
It's hilarious when coders write like that. :)
It could be better but the concept is not as much as a disaster as suggested - read the first three chapters of a first year thermodynamics text and you'll see that thermodynamics is roughly on the same side
He is an "establishment" guy just as much as Romney was but denies it - plus if a casino boss is "less evil" then you have some serious problems.
Yes but salt water cooling plus fighting with marine life is a huge pain in comparison with a small body of fresh water - hence cost and practicality - it's more practical to site in some place instead of others. Powering with 100% geothermal is definitely possible and while it may take time and have scaling issues it's definitely a good direction to head in for any place that has a lot of geothermal heat if only to get less dependence from imported resources. That said, monocultures suck and are just asking for a systemic failure so 100% of anything is a bad idea.
So derived and skewed "data" from some place well known for country music trumps national import figures, export figures and employment figures? Good to know what sort of person has suddenly decided to insult me and then marked me foe after being called out on it.
You indeed wrong - I did not say that at all you lying and insulting creature. You have put words in my mouth and then presented graphs based on a "gut feel" metric as some sort of evidence, presumably so that you could laugh at how ignorant I am if I fell for it.
You keep throwing that "reality" word around despite using a very rubbery metric. What is your reality you insulting creature - are you some sort of political staffer or something?
How do you make a reasoned argument against fantasy and lies to those who consider reason itself to have no more relative value than emotion? There lies the problem with the climate "debate". Climate reality versus vested interests that wish to distract from reality and have little or no scruples.
It isn't. It's an example of someone from the conservative side of politics that took advice from subject matter experts in the absence of a lobby group giving contrary advice. It is to point out that this is not a "conservative versus liberal" issue at all.
What has that got to do with anything? Are you setting me up as some kind of strawman?
The thing is a chimney. You've hit the only practical thing of the design and about the only problem it's not going to have :)
Cooling towers are sited where land use is not an issue so can afford to have a broad base. There are probably other constraints here such as land cost that are not instantly obvious.
They have access to enormous amounts of geothermal heat there so possible is not the issue, cost, lead time and practicality is. You need heat sinks as well as heat sources so having a lake or something near the heat source makes it easier.
Heat not photovoltaics.
If solar gets the air and heat moving that's a major win even if the power to actually drive the servers comes from somewhere else.
In zero-g maybe, but here convection means a chimney is better than a horizontal duct.