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Amazon Customers Sign Letter To Jeff Bezos To Dump Donald Trump (thestreet.com)
An anonymous reader writes: More than 13,000 Amazon customers (including upwards of 5,000 Amazon Prime subscribers), have signed a letter to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos calling for the company to stop selling Trump's line of menswear. UltraViolet Action is the organization hosting the petition, which calls for Amazon to "stop profiting off of [Trump's] brand of hate." The letter reads: "Donald Trump has consistently lobbed racist, sexist, and xenophobic attacks against entire groups of people, encouraged violence and vitriol against his political enemies and perpetuated a culture of violence against women. Amazon.com should want to distance themselves from this hateful rhetoric, but instead, they're profiting off his brand," explained Karin Roland, Chief Campaigns Officer at UltraViolet, in a statement. "Jeff Bezos needs to listen to his customers and ensure that Amazon doesn't profit off of Trump hate, and take immediate steps to dump Trump." If Amazon does take action, they wouldn't be the first. Macy's stopped carrying Trump's products last summer, and Univision and NBC cut ties with Trump over his statements as well.
Petitions are always just samples of the real objection, so this shows a sizable segment of the customer base objects to Trump's posturing.
It is a simple request to stop funding it by selling his merchandise, which Amazon must decide with weight on its PR impact now too.
Personally if Amazon drops Trump, I will make a point to buy more from them, even at a modest price increase per item.
Amazon isn't exactly a liberal-loving corporation, I mean look at their PAC name:
AMAZON CORPORATE LLC SEPARATE SEGREGATED FUND (AMAZON PAC)
I kid you not. It's like openly... ahem, separate, -ist!
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In fifteen years, when they write the two paragraphs in the 8th grade history books about this election, do you think Donald Trump will even be mentioned?
Pretty small number 13k considering the millions who use Amazon....
I'm firmly in the "I wouldn't vote for Trump as dogcatcher" camp, but why should Amazon take sides by denying the Donald a place to sell trinkets? Unless Amazon also stops selling all political junk. Just because he offends me to no end doesn't give me license to rid the world of Trump merchandise. Is political correctness invading the marketplace???
Don't step on the baby.
I normally vote third party but after seeing all the hyperbole about Trump being a racist because he (GASP!) wants the legal process of immigration to be followed is really just pissing me off. I'm sick of hearing this assholes who scream "racism" anytime you don't agree with the leftist agenda.
The hate seems to becoming from organization hosting the petition, not Donald Trump.
Politics and business do not mix. How many customers would Amazon lose if it played this game?
When the aforementioned Macy's did that, Trump called for a boycott and their stock tumbled.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/262198-trump-calls-for-macys-christmas-boycott
"Donald Trump is a fascist! I demand we silence him, burn all his books and ban all his merchandise. We must not allow him to speak or be heard!." The irony of the anti-trump people is beyond comprehension.
There are over 11,000,000 people who's lives are at risk of being totally disrupted by Trump's plans, therefore the UltraViolet numbers are trivial. In fact the only remarkable thing is how small the numbers are given the consequences for some many people. Looks like somebody should have studies more Math and less liberal arts.
these people are idiots can't they see trump is the only one that will make the us great again, and if you had any sense you would vote for him, the GOP party is liers and just trying to make him look bad, so if you want the country to keep going down hill and only get 1% of your check vote one of the others and that is what you will get, because that's there plans to tax us so high you will only see 1% of your check, plus trump uses his own money and cannot be bought off like the others, people need to use there brains
Don't buy his cheap fucking suits.
I was somewhat ok with NBC, Univision and Macy's dropping Trump, since in those cases the organizations were deeply tied into the profit from the Trump persona. However, Amazon has many products and is essentially content neutral.So the situation seems different. In general, in many ways things function best if keep politics and business separate, and don't engage in retribution to people whose politics we don't like. However, in Trump's case, his politics, persona and business are so wrapped together it is hard to see a distinction. At the same time, this sort of thing should worry people. How would people feel about a similar petition to Amazon to not sell Israeli goods? Palestinian goods? Chinese goods? Etc.
This sounds a lot like harassment and intolerance to me.
Can you image the uproar from leftists if some Christian fundamentalists had written to Amazon requesting that products associated with, say, transsexuals be pulled from sale?
Maybe the leftists don't realize this, but people in general are getting awfully fed up with their hypocrisy. That's why we see a candidate like Trump gaining so much support. People across the political spectrum, even including some moderates on the left, are getting fed up with how so many leftists say one thing, but do another.
Leftists say that bullying is wrong, yet they'll turn around and target certain individuals they dislike for some reason without showing any remorse.
Just look at the case of Brendan Eich for a good example of this. The way they savagely attacked him and his reputation is disgusting. Somebody shouldn't lose his job merely because of his stance on marriage! Leftists would throw a fit if somebody lost his job for supporting homosexual marriage, yet the moment somebody supports traditional marriage the leftists unleash on him with extreme fury and hatred.
Leftists really need to address their hypocrisy problem if they want to be taken seriously. To everyone else they're starting to look like total jokes.
Let me correct the headline for you: "George Soros pays shills to petition Amazon to drop Trump wear". Death to America: Vote Hillary
Enough already with the anti-1st ammendement "you can't say that" rhetoric from the left. I've completely had my fill of this kind of crap. Just because they don't agree with someone, Trump or anyone else, they target those individuals and anyone associated with them with intent to financially destroy or publicly humiliate them. Fascist scum. It's time for a revolution in this country.
I find the prospect of a Trump presidency to be kind of scary. At the same time he's obviously tapped into some genuine concerns of a substantial portion of the public. Attempting to silence him just marginalizes his supporters even more and further justifies the extreme positions he advocates. Rather than suppressing or ignoring him, we should be trying to understand his appeal and attempting to address some of the underlying issues that fuel his popularity. My guess is that there's a link between Trump supporters and Sanders supporters. The middle class is hurting and has been for decades.
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What's a "wearhouse"?
Her direct actions have gotten people killed, and she's a notorious a liar. Any business who carries her products is basically endorsing her actions.
Captcha: vigilant
A US retailer catering to men offers rack quality clothing at generally inflated prices is named 'Mens Wearhouse' and their slogan is "you're going to like the way you look" or something to that effect.
Good company
Incitement to violence is a VERY narrow category of speech. See R.A.V. v. St. Paul and Snyder v. Phelps.
vi ~/.emacs # I'm probably going to Hell for this.
expect amazon and bezos to do what the entrenched, "too-big-to-fail-finance, warmongering, "liberal", secular, usa establishment wants. eg he/it did just that to wikileaks.
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even though trump is sort of part of establishment, because he is acting all populist and perhaps even act on some of what he says if elected , amazon will do what establishment wants. i suspect this petition is a handy excuse . and i suspect they will wait to check if he gets the nomination. then go all out to undermine trump to get hillary elected.
Are inbred idiots.
Every time that someone has appeased these social justice warriors, they lost money or profits. On the other hand, ignoring them (and selling the product) has been more profitable.
Consider these people to be the kind of customers that Amazon does not want and should gladly let go.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
and everything is about image, title, and reputation. No rational arguments needed or wanted.
so when they see someone like trump (or really, anyone to the right of trotsky), they use their compromised institutions to generate false consensus just like a virus uses a cell to produce more of itself. The fact a lot of people were easily whipped into letter writing, 'protests', or feeling 'unsafe' on college campuses is of no surprise.
Trump might be an ass, he might not, but I wouldn't trust any left wing outlet's conclusions about him any more than I'd trust a creationist's analysis on matters of biology..
Trump and Sanders are almost identical except Trump targets illegal immigrants and Sanders targets a mythical 1% for all the ills. Another difference is that Trump taps into voter disappointment and Sanders taps into voter (and non-voter) anger. So Trump's supporters are passive-aggressive and Sanders' supporters are active-aggressive.
I completely agree with you that these peoples' views shouldn't be silenced. For example, the anti-Trump movement wants Kasich to give up to unite behind Cruz. If people chose Kasich over Cruz, it's because Cruz doesn't satisfy what they want and Kasich does. Democracy 101! But with all these games, including the so-called "strategic voting" concept, amongst other reasons, democracy is meaningless. If people are concerned with illegal immigration, wealth inequality, do we live in a democracy or what? Not really.
at the utter lack of leaving people alone anymore. When I grew up in the 70s and early 80s, people were OK with others having a disparate opinion or viewpoint. These days, if anyone disagrees with anything, they're a "hater" or a "bigot". Frankly, it's ridiculous. Trump is free to be himself even if people don't like him.
No one should have the right to silence anyone else, try and prevent their wares from being sold, their voice from being heard, you name it. It's un-American. It really is. I remember being able to vociferously disagree with others and no one was calling for boycotts, firings, silencing each other. What happened to common sense?
We're uninformed, we don't agree with it so let's ban it, the battle cry of the new neo-liberal facist. Disgusting.
They must be missing a couple zeros. Thirteen thousand in a country of three hundred forty million? That's nothing.
Cool, %0.0001 of their customers safe space has been violated.
Stalin said that when one could not fight ideas, one should fight the persons. It seems somebody here had the idea to go against the business.
This is an improvement over Stalin's approach, however it remains a terribly weak way of fighting ideas.
Wow, this would definitely take Donald Trump down a peg -- if it were ever to happen. Hitting him right in the pocket book when men can't buy Trump underwear on Amazon.com. Good campaign, democrats, you've got him now!
What a bunch of pussies. I'm going to buy a few Trump undershorts to spite these idiots. You'd think they have better things to do like protesting abortion clinics and actually saving lives.
The standard reaction to the desire to ban pornography is, "if you don't like it, don't watch it."
The standard reaction to Trump and his products should be the same.
stereotypical liberal intolerance to contending ideas
Why must I be tolerant of intolerance? If Trump wants to ban Mexicans and Muslims, why am I not allowed to try to ban every trace of Trump?
Because it's morally "the ends justify the means".
It's going outside the process just because you don't like the results. That's not how we do things.
Effectively, the rule seems to be "it doesn't matter how we do it, we *have* to stop Trump. BY ANY MEANS!!!"
People shout at him during speeches. That didn't work, so they started being rowdy. That didn't work.
(Not letting him speak - how is this any different in principle to censorship?)
They dressed up in KKK robes and *that* didn't work either.
(I read about a 16yo protestor that falsely accused a rally goer of sexual assault. Willing to ruin a man's life for the cause - that's some dedication!)
I'm waiting for the assassination attempt, because "STOP TRUMP" is more important than how it gets done.
In the newspapers, they called him as clown. That didn't work, so they called him a sexist. That didn't work, so they called him a racist.
I remember reading analysis a couple of months ago, where pundits were astonished (!) that people were still supporting Trump, even after they called him a clown! (What are the Americans thinking?)
Then it was his supporters. We're all under-educated, unemployed, white, disempowered losers who are angry and want to take our country back. You don't want to be part of *that* group - do you?
That didn't work either.
Then they turned the crazy up to 11. Trump is Mussolini, Stalin, Satan, Hitler. The Washington Post said Cthulhu supports Trump.
That didn't work. Now it's backroom deals, delegate stealing, and rule changes.
Here on Slashdot, most of the political dialogue is name calling and unfounded drivel. We're the smart ones in the room, and even *we* have bought into the hatred. No one can put together a cogent political argument, simply because the other candidates don't have a clear position.
200 people control the election, and they do NOT want someone who will make the place better for the citizens.
It doesn't matter how many votes Trump gets, so long as he doesn't get 1237 on the first try. So long as we can prevent *that*, we can drop him from the race and pick someone we support.
It's as if voting doesn't matter.
The ends justify the means. Stop Trump using ANY MEANS POSSIBLE!
Do not reply to hate with hate. Instead Amazon should donate all profit from these items to some well chosen charities instead.
...telling them to keep him. Cuz fuck Hilary and Bernie....Stalin and Moussolini of the modern age.
All of my Trump licensed ties are fantastic in terms of construction, materials, and styling. Unfortunately for the angry anti-Trump masses, I bought them all at TJ Max for $10-12 bucks a year after Macy's passed them on for next years model...ok, so maybe I shouldn't have emphasized styling but hey! I saved $30-50 bucks per tie.
Most people buy ties at the store so that they can physically check them out...just can't see Amazon as the primary market for Trump clothes. If their petition does work then I would wager that the people that make the ties are the ones that will be impacted most by the rabid anti-Trumpers, not the Don himself.
Not to mention the fact that these people fail at logic.
Anyone who thinks "racism" is the biggest issue facing our country today is not paying attention.
The leading Democratic candidate is blatantly corrupt. She takes millions of dollars from fracking companies, Big Pharma, Wall Street, etc. She runs a hilariously obvious shell corporation charity that gives almost no money to charity, and doubles as a slush fund for her personal use. She ran a private email server so she could run her "charity" and endangered national security along the way.
We have a bought and paid for government. We have a joke of a primary process which is fundamentally anti-democratic. We have monetary policy being conducted for the sake of the rich. We have wealth disparity at the highest level *ever*.
And people think racism is the issue?
And the fact that Trump's comments on *illegal* aliens and open-door, no-background-check Muslim immigration is "racist" is a joke anyway. But **EVEN IF IT WEREN'T** racism would be very far down on a long list of things this country needs to worry about.
If you want freedom of speech, a free exchange of ideas, freedom of association, civic participation in government by the people... then we can do that.
Or if the progressive peasants are just too triggered by contrary opinions they can give up all that and the nobility will take care of them. No need for any more elections. Hereditary nobility for... ever. Hillary's daughter is already being groomed for high office. They very ready to simply accept your offer at ennoblement... right now.
You can all sit in communal buildings every Sunday and chant along from a book of dogma. And everyone can live by the strict new code of political correctness. We can have religious conformity inspectors... they'll probably be blue/pink haired hipsters wearing ceremonial trilby's that will scream in my face about how tolerant they are... You can see it now.
And then we can have government enforced gender equality... but only in jobs women want to do... or often as not... just get the pay and status of doing the job. Because after all, a lot of those jobs are hard, boring, lonely, and really only a bunch of nerds would do them anyway. But its unfair that there aren't equal numbers of women in those fields. Maybe we should just figure out how many women want to do a given job, then say that equal number of men can also do that job. But no more than that even if there is a need for more than that. After all, that would be sexist.
The whole political scene in the US has been fucking retard inception for the last 10 years at least. You want to cite a longer duration... sure. Cite your favorite flavor of ice cream and we'll go with that. But its just so stupid.
Listening to code pink go on and on and on about how bad war is and how we should just bring everyone home... and then when the people they campaigned for start blowing up Libya or whatever... fucking crickets.
Endlessly being told that there's too much money in politics... except when that money happens to be used by progressives... then its fine. Use tax dollars to bribe people to vote for you? No problem. Use tax money to run partisan propaganda campaigns for your faction? No problem. Use billionaire slush funds to advance your position... No problem. But anyone else does even a shadow of the shit that they get away with on a daily fucking basis... clearly the second coming of literal Hitler.
The sophistry on display is so astounding that I can't take anyone seriously anymore on these issues. Too many people are full of shit. No one can claim they're serious with any sincerity because its been outed at bullshit too many times.
Gents, just express yourselves... actually be tolerant... as in... actually... not just tolerant of YOUR OWN stupid opinions whilst naturally being utterly intolerant of any view that contrasts with your own. Because, that's not tolerance.
I've decided to stop wasting my time responding to AC trolls/sockpuppets... so if you want a response from me... login.
Their board also railroaded their founder and fired him three years ago.
So Trump attempting to ban minorities by seeking the highest office of the free world and riling up mobs until they start beating up said minorities = "He has a right to speak!"
What the fuck?
He hasn't done any of that!
They are not calling for a ban on Trump's line of products: the decision to sell the product or not lies with amazon. They are making it sound like a moral choice, but at the end of the day it will be a business decision.
My favorite piece from that wiki "Zimmer's experience caring for his mother, who died of cancer, led him to support research into the therapeutic use of MDMA,[13] and for his efforts to legalize cannabis (for instance, by making donations equaling $170,500 to support California's Proposition 19 in 2010).[14][15] He is a member of the Democratic Party"
More than 13,000 Amazon customers (including upwards of 5,000 Amazon Prime subscribers), have signed a letter to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos calling for the company to stop selling Trump's line of menswear.
Who gives a shit. At the time of this writing 14,131 gamers have signed a petition on a letter to Activision-Blizzard to get them to remove "guns" from the game Overwatch, Because, guns are offensive, that's why! A lone SJW bitched about a pose of "Tracer" being "sexist" since she turned her back towards the camera. Having a rear end on a character is now sexist (I thought both sexes had asses). Blizzard removed the "butt pose", and so we think they should remove all the other offensive things in the game, most offensive of all is Guns. Hey, if one complaint gets an ass removed, then 14K people should get some guns removed from the shooter game, eh?
I'm sorry, if there are more people willing to troll a game company to make a point about censoring games, it makes this leftist hit-piece laughable in comparison. Authoritarian "stop selling what we don't buy" fuckheads are going to have to step up their game. I don't even support Trump, but censorious shit like this disgusts me, and that's the last straw. Fine, I'm fucking voting for Trump. I'd be a fool not to vote for anyone who pisses off the Cry Bullies so much, if only for entertainment potential alone, it will be worth it.
Stay salty, butthurt bitches.
Their board also railroaded their founder and fired him three years ago.
I didn't know that. But it fits. MW used to be good. Circa 15-10 years ago I could go in and someone with a clue would find a suit that was close to fitting and them a person who knew how to alter clothing (at my local store a 70ish year old woman from Eastern Europe) would come from out back, prod, pull and mark. 1 week later the perfectly fitting suit would be ready.
On my last visit last year it was staffed with sullen teenagers who knew nothing and there was no tailor handy.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
I don't think my neck is all that odd, but two years ago in Las Vegas, the only shirt in TJ Max with my neck size was branded by none other than Donald Trump.
So I now have a Donald Trump shirt. Maybe I could auction it to Trump supporters on Ebay.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
An almost exact line was said in last Friday's Real Time With Bill Maher. It must be true!
Imagining you ever received a "perfectly fitting suit" off the rack negates anything you were attempting to express here. It can only come from a garment that is bespoke, and isn't cheap or for the cheap. No amount of aspirational hyperbole will change this fact.
Great. Now where will I buy my workclothes?
I'm not sure the kids will recognise me with just the balloon animals and little tricycle...
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
... will they drop "Mein Kampf" by a certain Adolf Hitler as well?
Getting really close to the Godwin law here...
Please re-read his comment carefully.
You are not making any sense.
A retailer shouldn't allow politics into what items they sell. They must allow everything to be sold as long as it is legal to sell. Everything else is pure nonsense, and it has no place in the marketplace. Product censorship is censorship nonetheless.
I beg to differ. 25 years ago, I was getting bespoke suits (and uniforms as well) from a tailor in South Korea. They were less expensive than off-the-rack in the US, and of higher quality (in fact, I still own them. Can't FIT in them anymore, but they're in the closet. . . ).
And with the rise of automation and computer-aided manufacturing, a bespoke suit that fits perfectly may be available locally relatively soon. . . with rapid delivery, and low cost.
Point blank. Amazon is a business and businesses have to make money in order to stay a business.
There are lots of items that Amazon sells that I would never personally buy, but that's my choice and I have no right to think I can deny someone else the right to buy something.
That's just bullshit.
Have you ever fallen asleep at the keybhanusdiog?
Is anyone else also not able to Disable Advertising on Slashdot now? To paraphrase Rainier Wolfcastle, "The checkbox, it does nothing!"
I don't like Trump, but I'm not going to get a bug up my ass about it and force everyone to accept my beliefs. What's so special about this UltraViolet ass that he gets to tell everyone what to buy or sell? He's just another arrogant loudmouth, same as Trump.
Actually in the case of Trump, research offers some insights. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com...">Narcissists often take over leaderless/rudderless groups. Their relentless self-absorption provides a focus to a group that has lost its way. However people tend to become disenchanted with narcissists once they get to know them.
So the Trump phenomenon represents a loss in faith in the Republican party's leadership, and a test of that leadership's ability to convince the base it knows what it's doing.
On the Democratic side you have a mirror phenomenon with Bernie Sanders. Although Sanders does not display the personal self-aggrandizement you'd expect from a narcissist, his single-minded fixation on the billionaire class provides a similar focus for loyalists who feel the party has lost its way. That's infuriating to Democrats who are basically happy with the pragmatic center-left orientation of the party.
I suspect this is what you get in a two-party system where the parties have fought themselves to a stalemate. When neither party can deliver much to it's most ardent supporters, they start casting around for drastic medicine.
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If you don't want to purchase an item, don't ! To try and threaten a vendor to cease distribution of a third party product is basically the same M.O as a terrorist, Capitalism, free trade, agreeing to disagree cannot co -exist within a suppressive model suggested by this ludicrous petition. All they will cause by their pathetic boycott is to inspire loyal Trump supporters to scoop up all his products. Hence, if you learned anything in economics 101, boycotts do not work. These people claim Mr. Trump has a hate message, I think they should take a good look at their own actions and why they feel entitled to try and destroy a person that has done nothing to them. Amazon has a right to offer products that are intended for certain marketplaces and whether a customer chooses to purchase is up to them. Mr. Trump does not spread a hate message but it is interesting that the hypocritical individuals trying to force Amazon to drop Trump do not see their own actions for what they are...hateful.
Or more?
This is called an ELECTION. You vote for the candidate you agree with the most. That's it. You don't try to silence opposing candidates - if they are 'wrong', then surely you can easily convince other people of that?
I think Trump's a dangerous, psychologically disturbed demagogue. But I have no problem with him selling suits.
It's ironic though; Trump himself is a terrible advertisement for his clothing line. He wears superb $10,000 suits, but he wears them wrong. Ever notice how in a Bond movie whenever 007 gets out of a car he buttons his suit? That's because Bond is a snob about doing things right: when you sit you unbutton the jacket; when you rise you button it except for the bottom button (and the top in a two-and-a-half button suit).
Trump walks around with his jacket unbuttoned -- like a guy who's gained weight and hasn't got around to getting a new suit yet. That reveals that he likes to wear ties that are waaay too long, it makes him look like a middle-school kid who's raided dad's closet. I like his bold color choices, but it's too much. If you want to show off a long tie, you wear a two button suit and give people a flash of the tip now and then, although I don't care for that myself.
If you want to model your wardrobe on a Republican politician, Rubio's your man. Yes, he's a fatuous ass, but he doesn't dress like one.
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Oh, okay. So you just need to obtain a functional parsing mechanism to replace your incompetent one. In addition, you may have to become more aware of current events. Problem solved!
He doesn't, he's a liberal.
Can he do the math on Sanders economy?
No, math is hard, besides, math isn't liberal. it keeps following the same rules.
No brain, no pain.
In Europe we would handle this with protest parties. e.g. Kabouter Partij (Gnome party) that will go for only one goal or a minimal amount of goals.
They will see that certain things are not shoved under the table and handled. I understand that it is hard to grasp how this might work if they do not have the absolute majority, but in a multi party system this works (no, it is not perfect either).
With the multiparty what you hopefully get is that they don't do something because the others want it. In reality you get a differnce in wording for both parties, because they are basically the same. The differences are juste makeup.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
The masses, by which I specifically mean a majority of voters and potential voters, show no indication of this at all. On the contrary, Trump is disliked and deemed unacceptable by a very large majority of those same people; unless that can be turned around, something there is also no indication of, the man is outright not electable.
The fact that a majority of voters in the Republican primary might prefer the man notwithstanding, that's not anywhere near enough to result in his election. He also has to convince the rest of the Republicans, and the swing voters or some equivalent swatch of Democrats. Again: There is no indication of this at all.
To put it another way, 51% of Republicans liking a candidate will get them through the primary quite handily; it will not in any way suffice in and of itself to see that candidate through to elected office.
...and as of today, it doesn't even look like he'll reach 51%.
In fact, again as of today, his ultimate contribution to the process has every indication of serving as a near-guarantee that we will have another four years of a presidency sourced from within the Democratic party.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
What middle class?
We now have the mega-rich, the rich, and the scraping for food stamps.
Um. Yes. However, the overriding form of government is that of a constitutional republic; that's a form where the elected representatives make the laws, not the direct democratic vote of the people.
Further, the constitution guarantees a republican form of government to the states (see article IV, section 4, first assertion.)
It seems to me that "proposition anything" within the form that California currently enables is a violation of the very idea of a republican form of government. I strongly suspect that a supreme court actually reading the intent of the framers would rule out the very idea.
Just my opinion.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
That happened in 1997, when "moderation" was deemed to be "whatever some random person wants to do to a post" by Rob Malda and Jeff Bates.
No need to thank me, glad to be of service.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I see you haven't kept up with film technology.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I don't much care about Donald Trump one way or another and I'm flabbergasted to hear that he has a line of menswear. But, what I abso-fucking-lutely hate with a burning passion, is these epic fucking twats that try to influence companies like Amazon with their political agenda. It' is literally NO DIFFERENT than the "Christian organizations" trying to cow TV networks into dropping shows and boycotts against advertisers. Fuck these pieces of shit that have way too much time on their hands.
But will Bezos actually bend to these twats? Because that's worse than people trying to push their own agenda. It's much worse to be spineless and cave to these turds for a couple of dollars. Will Bezoa pull the usual CEO horseshit and pull products because he doesn't want to offend some tiny group of loud mouthed militant types? So many spineless companies and CEO do just this.
It's one of the reasons why I admire Dan Cathy at Chick-fil-A. He stuck to his guns, to his beliefs and told the rabble to FOAD. Did his company suffer from it? Nope! A tiny bunch of noisy piss-ants are fucking irrelevant. I hope Bezos has a spine.
So, where can I sign a counter petition for Amazon to keep on selling Trumpware. Where can I sign a petition for Amazon to put Trumpware on their landing page?
The petitioners oppose what they call Trump's "brand of hate"--perhaps there's a brand of hate they don't oppose? Hate has gotten a bad name, from liberals. Why is hate bad? I hate a lot of things. I hate racism, I hate police brutality, I hate the waste of lives in the society we live in. Am I a bad person for "hating"?
a religion that creates more than 90% of terrorists
Every single member of the US armed forces is a terrorist! Apparently most of them are muslim!
They call themselves progressives yet want to censor and silence any opposing opinion.
Donald Trump is the one who wants to sue the shit out of his dissenters
They don't have to like Trump, but they're probably not the target customer are they? So why do they care what OTHER people want to buy?
Trump is funding his campaign with his own money. The objective of the Amazon Customers who signed the letter is to cut off his supply .
The boisterous left are getting crafty but they are also p!ssing off voters with their tactics (not just with Trump) so bad that they will support Trump just to spite them.
Eternity: will that be smoking, or non-smoking? I Corinthians 6:9-10
Right... just as soon as they get rid of the 21,238 results for "Che Guevara"
Curses!
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Sign me up! I'll vouch to say that I WILL STOP shopping on Amazon if they DO drop Trump's products due to the childish whining of others. And I don't even plan to vote for Trump! I just value the freedom of choice and doing business as I please. And I DESPISE others trying to determine how I (and others) do business (as long as said business doesn't violate the rights of others).
I'm so disappointed to see the plethora of ignorant comments about this story, and so many of them upvoted. I don't think I can identify myself with people that have become so enamored of intolerance. The false equivalence is rampant beyond any hope of repair.
I wish you all the best and that some day you realize how terrible your bitterness is making you.
As a simple matter of random chance, it has to be possible for someone to look good in an off the rack suit. Just because you obviously can't doesn't mean that it's impossible.
You're just jealous that a freak like me can wear a cheap suit from the Mall and look better than you when you're blowing all kinds of money trying.
Although bearing makes up for a lot regardless of what you are wearing. Some of us have it and some of us clearly don't. '-p
A Pirate and a Puritan look the same on a balance sheet.
Absolutely. And the Hillary supporters are really making clear their disdain for the working class by their actions and their anti-Bernie rhetoric.
Liberals are trying to tell people who they should vote again?
She supported her husband and attacked any ladies who accused him of sexual misconduct.
Bill had his way with interns at his place of work, the Oval Office in the White House, while
working, including while on the phone with a senator. In most other jobs he would have been
fired, sued, and often arrested.
Do we accuse her of being sexist? Do we accuse her of supporting her sexist husband?
Most of those demanding removal of Trump merchandise support Hillary. What????
Bespoke is nice, but I was not in South Korea and OTS + alter is just fine. The cost of a plane ticket across the pacific undermines the benefits of a cheap bespoke suit abroad.
I agree, automation may come.
I should use this sig to advertise my book ISBN-13 : 978-1501515132.
Here starts the lie of lies.
Let's see here. Typical lib-lemming strategy: Find something you disagree with and label it HATE. I have yet to hear an intelligent position on why they disagree with Trump on immigration. Libs who feel we should have unregulated immigration automatically label legal, regulated reasonable immigration as hateful.
These are the same people who have reckless disregard for national security and bash a sitting president if they didn't vote for him yet give a pass to a president they voted for even if he has perpetrated much more irresponsible policy on the American people and the rest of the world.
The famous quote “It isn't so much that liberals are ignorant. It's just that they know so many things that aren't so.” couldn't be more true.
I hope you read past the FUD and realize that Trump is the best candidate running for President and the only one with the actual skills and balls to bring this country out of the sh*tter.
It didn't work because Trump supporters actually like those comparisons. And let's face it, they are accurate. Let's review. You have a charismatic bigot outside the established political system that is rising to power on a wave of anti-establishment resentment and anger. A leader that is appealing to a body of people who feel their power waning and long to return to superiority via whatever means necessary, and he tempts them by telling them he will do just that, and he blames all their problems on foreigners and outsiders conspiring against them. He makes vague promises that have no basis in reality but sound wonderful to people who long for their "glory days" when they dominated everybody else instead of simply being equal. He provides no real information on what he plans to do with his power after he gets it, but he does promise to spread bigotry and isolationism and to use violence as a tool for social control.
For fuck's sake, this is exactly Hitler's playbook. Remember, when fascism comes to America it will be draped in an American flag. (Note that I did not say "if".) Trump should scare you shitless. He is precisely following the fascist political playbook that preceded World War 2. Godwin's Law is irrelevant when the comparison is actually real and accurate.
Yes, you have bought into the hatred. You are the problem, not the solution. You are the one causing the trouble that others are trying to deal with. Unlike terrorism, Trump really is an existential threat to the United States.
Your projection is astounding. Trump is the only person who has not defined a clear position. Everything he has put specifics to, rational analysis has shown to be completely unfeasible or outright lies. The wall is way outside any of his (ever increasing) cost estimates and every expert says it will do nothing to stop any illegal immigration. Torture only makes the terrorist recruiting better, meaning we increase the threat to ourselves by doing it. The list goes on and on.
Meanwhile, every other candidate has articulated clear agendas and achievable goals. Listen to Hillary talk about foreign policy, listen to Bernie talk about educational funding or tax policy, listen to Cruz talk about anti-abortion measures, they all have specifics and can engage in rational debate on the subjects. Trump spouts such wild bullshit that finally Cooper had to tell him on television that he was arguing like a 5-year-old, simply because he was. You have it exactly backwards, which is a symptom of you projecting your own failures onto everybody else.
As covered above, since Trump is actively courting the bigot voting block, of course this didn't work. The supporters actually liked this comparison. It was done more to alert the non-supporters of exactly what the supporters are seeking.
I've read about many black people actively beaten at Trump rallies, with the full support and endorsement of Trump himself. Trump uses fast-tempo and energetic music to get his supporters pumped up, and he uses violent rhetoric, and he explicitly condones violence as a means to solve conflict. He specifically points to people in the crowd and tells the crowd to boo and hate them. Some reporters
President Obama gave Iran a deal that includes a ten-year path to nuclear weapons and a hundred billion dollars to fund the program. No sharks with frikkin lasers apparently, but those might be in the fine print that no Americans (even in congress) were allowed to read.
The fact that so many Trump opponents are flailing about in rage and screaming that he might start a nuclear war is a good sign: The same excrement was flung by the political monkeys in the 1980 campaign against Reagan, who was denounced as a "racist", "dangerous", a "cowboy who'd start a nuclear war", etc. The Republican establishment did everything they could to stop him from getting the nomination, and at the convention tried to put Gerald Ford on the ticket as a "co-president" because they claimed Reagan was so dangerous. The Bush family and the Romney family waged an all-out political war against Reagan and kept pointing out polls that said that if Reagan was the nominee, he would lose in a landslide to the incumbent Jimmy Carter. The polls continued to claim Carter would win right through September. Reagan won in a landslide, rebuilt the economy, rebuilt the military and won the Cold War without firing a shot - thus freeing more human beings than any person in history. I remember the 1980 campaign quite well, and all the same people are outraged over Trump, using the same basic attacks. The public responded to the Reagan record by reelecting him in 1984 with a 49-state landslide, only the morons in Minnesota, where the standard Democrat party is too normal and they have the DFL instead, were dumb enough to vote against him.
You are so blind in your rantings that you cannot see anything other than what you want to see.
Let me show you some points where you are deluding yourself to see what may not be there but what you FEEL is there:
Example #1:
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're not sending you. They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." - this is the way Trump haters "quote" what he SAID.
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. [Mexico is] not sending YOU [middle class people, his audience was of mixed ethnicity but mostly middle class]. [Mexico] is sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. There[are] rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." - this is and equally plausible transcription of what he SAID. He speaks like many Americans of all ethnic groups - a bit sloppy and without perfect anunciation. And, note, that he states that his assumption is that some of the immigrants illegally entering the country are good people.
Oh, and "Mexican" is a nationality. Opposing the behavior of the Mexican government which via its policies is indeed exporting the problematic parts of its population to the US is NOT racism. Hispanic activists have been playing that dishonest card for decades - insisting that anybody who opposes the Mexican government's actions against the interest of the US is a racist because the population of Mexico is generally all of one ethnicity. It's like claiming any opposition to the actions of China is racist because China (the nation) is populated with Chinese (the ethnicity) people. Do you have ANY evidence Trump hires/fires or promotes/demotes serves/refuses people based on their Hispanic ethnicity? Thought not.
Example #2: you have gone so insane that you assert that a basic FACT well-documented by Obama's HHS and NIS in testimony under oath to congress that immigrants illegally entering the US over the southern border are committing murders and bringing in diseases is "xenophobic" and "Linking a community with disease" (which is valid, when a community IS linked with a disease).
Example #3: You assert that Trump saying that some jobs returned from China will go to Hispanics is "Treating hispanics like dogs he can throw a bone to, that's racist too." .....hmmmm.... I guess when Hillary panders to Hispanics, treating them a group she can pander to she's also being a rayyyysist too????
Example #4: You assert that when somebody asserts that the Chinese government cheats on trade deals (something widely known and acknowledged by many western governments) and has been found to have cheated in the olympics as EVERY large communist regime has been proven to have done as a matter of policy, is "Claiming 1+ billion people are liars, cheaters and thieves, just for their ethnicity or the country they live in" is thus racism. So, basically, according to you one must not speak the truth because the truth is racist. Interesting and warped way of not thinking.
Example #5: "So he says he will use the force of law to discriminate on the basis of religion. In other words he is against freedom of religion and against the bill of rights." VERY interesting. Islam is BOTH a religion AND an alternate political and legal system that asserts than man-made laws are not legitimate and all people must live under sharia laws (which include murdering homosexuals, counting the votes of non-muslims as 1/4th the votes of muslims in juries, women being the property of men, etc). Islam stands for the elimination of the US Constitution. But you insist that If one opposes the importation of more members of the religion of Islam until out politicians can
All you have to do is watch the reactions people have to Trump, to know where they stand.
The Establishment Republicans who enrich themselves and get political power by pretending to be conservatives in primary season elections but then do nothing conservative in office while engorging on lobbyist money are insane with rage - he threatens their phony political model and exposes their decades of planned and orchestrated failures on things like the border which frustrate their base voters but please their funders.
The Ideological Conservative writers and opinion makers who make a living complaining about the left but not doing anyting effective to fight the left are endangered by him because he MIGHT actually DO something on these issues. The border wall, for example, might remove illegal immigration as a political issue that they can keep fundraising on. His calls to focus US national security on actual US national security, rather than the security of the borders of Iraq is another example, which endangers a certain basket of defense contracts (but might actually improve others) - so they're going insane (see: National Review dedicated Anti-Trump issue)
The Social Justice Warriors and the PC Police are going completely out of their minds - his willingness to say things they thought they had successfully declared unspeakable is a dangerous to them as the little boy pointing out that the emperor was NAKED in the famous tale. Political Correctness is group-enforced dishonesty to make it easier for one political agenda to win by making any other agenda unspeakable and Trump blows that up and his election would prove that people do not need to submit. PC puts every brain in a straight jacket, but it only works as long as the public can be nudged into cooperating. The moment people wake up and remember freedom and what it's like to think for themselves, the scam collapses.
The multinational investment banker community which has been getting ever richer under the Clintons, Bushes, and Obama is outraged that tariffs might return which might shift the tax burden back onto them. They've been happily funding the "mainstream" candidates of BOTH PARTIES for decades and pushing BOTH PARTIES to chant "free trade" while selling-out the American middle class and national security. The return of "fair trade" in the form of a mix of better trade deals and increased tariffs where needed might stop the destruction of the US middle class at the cost of reducing the rate of millionaires-to-billionaires conversions in the investor class. This is TERRIFYING to people planning to buy their fourth super yacht, who use net worth as a "score" in their gluttonous competition with other guys who get not by building things, but rather by managing the sell-off of American industrial might and middle class pensions.
For all the talk about Trump rally violence, people should remember that so far the two high-profile cases that involved Trump supporter arrests were [1] an old white guy who punches a black Hillary/Bernie person who'd invaded a place Trump rented and who was obnoxiously flipping-off and cursing all the Trump people and [2] a young black guy who punched a half of a pair of white Hillary/Bernie protesters who'd invaded a place Trump rented and were pushing a klan hood and a confederate flag into his face. Most of the video has been these two incidents over and over and over again.
Trump has all the right enemies in BOTH parties and all round the society, generally. He's hated by national sell-outs, corrupt politicians, and nearly every jack-booted group of "activist" political bullies, and hated all the more so because he does not back down when they use their standard tactics of yelling "racist" and "occupying" on him.
Your anti-Trump hate speech means you should be gagged and nothing you say is valid.
See how that works?
There's no such thing as "hate speech". The term is exactly like "Homophobia" - phoney POLITICAL TACTICS that label certain speech or thought as unacceptable and is designed to shut down dissent and free thought. There is no actual disease called "Homophobia" (which would be an irrational fear of sameness) - the term was coined to specifically sound like a mental disease by political activists in the gay community. It's a label that was conjured-up as a political tactic several decades ago to make it sound like anybody who believes homosexuality to be unhealthy, immoral, or dysfunctional (the generally traditional Judeo-Christian and American views on the subject) is himself suffering a mental illness and his/her opinions/beliefs not even valid for discussion. This is something the left specializes in - nearly every Marxist government classes political opponents as "insane" and uses mental health facilities to punish them. "Hate Speech" similarly is a tactic to declare that any speech which the listener opposes is off-limits and may not even be discussed. These things are about winning debates by avoiding any debate entirely. It's all just Orwellian NewSpeak which actually proves that the positions defended by it are too intellectually weak to win on the merits.
The problem with these sorts of tactics is that they shift the God-given right to think for yourself, believe for yourself, and express your thoughts with speech into the realm of man-granted rights where the brute force of the masses decides whats right and wrong and what your rights are - and THOSE standards are fickle and shifting. One day, the mobs can say that "gay is OK" and the next day the mobs can shovel Jews and gays into ovens. Can't happen? Google: Berlin and Weimar Germany. That EXACT shift CAN happen (and DID in that instance), particularly if the public turns to a socialist leader as they did then in both Italy and "the fatherland". Free speech and the Constitution with God-given rights are far preferable.
If enough people do not want to see Trumps merchandise at Amazon, and are willing to change their purchase habits to show it, this is not a free speech issue. It is the invisible hand deciding a certain product is no longer worthwhile.
Instead of given people the choice to buy Trump merchandise or not, the PC fascists are making this decision for everyone. If you dislike Trump, don't buy his merchandise. Please don't make this decision for everyone else.
You're all a bunch of blithering fucktards. Kill yourselves.