Providing a better API for application developers leads to software and ultimately a better user experience.
Actually that's one of the current problems, the developer has to do just about everything then dump to video as if it's an MSDOS display or a game console. Things are improving with other projects such as Enlightenment supporting Wayland so that you actually have some widgets and stuff instead of having to do them all yourself.
Pentium 60 back then and still done the same way now. I quantified the sum of all those little things didn't I - and it doesn't add up to much at all.
I am saying is that I am excited about getting to use the next generation display framework
It's a dumb framebuffer designed to be less complicated than X. Useful maybe, really nice when the project really gets going maybe, but "next generation"? Who told you that? The entire point is to be a few generations back as a framebuffer without all the extras in X.
I hope AMD graphics drivers are in a better state when when that happens
It won't matter because they can already blit out the pixels as soon as Wayland decides where they should go - that's part of the point of Wayland being simple, being able to run on far less capable stuff than AMD has. That's why phone guys are working on it.
I looked into it a while ago when I had unreliable power and outages lasting more than an hour so well beyond UPS capacity. Once you get beyond just having to fill in for a few minutes the generators get expensive, and then you need a plant mechanic to keep the generators in working order, fuel storage, a test regime heaps of electrical work etc etc. A purpose built large scale data centre can be expected to have such things and absorb the cost but adding it in after the fact with something that is not huge, especially on a site without room to put those generators and fuel storage outside, is not a trivial thing.
Ironically now that the place I work for actually has a plant mechanic, electricians and the space for generators plus storage the power supply is stable enough that I no longer need them.
I comes down to the cost of downtime versus all that messing about - in my case a few days downtime of the site can be coped with and absorbed into moving schedules. There really are not that many businesses that are 24/7/365 no matter how important they think they are. A few days out due to flood or hurricane/cyclone will confirm that for most people.
Yes, but I'd say the only way to really understand is to play a time or two and enjoy it enough to actually care enough about the complicated rules - preferably by starting with a version like indoor cricket without the complicated rules. Otherwise you can do what I do with American football which is to enjoy watching it and not care at all about understanding the rules:)
Thank you. I don't have much patience with the post-literate everything in a video trend which is a pain on workplace computers unlike text or slides. Video has a place but text is for everything else.
Most days yes, but on that one day a year on a leap year it's the classic example of an utterly stupid newbie mistake that would have failed a high school programming assignment in 1985. Files with an expiry date beyond which the music would not play meant it needed to know the date so a calendar was thrown in as an afterthought without even the most simple tests being applied - so on the last day of leap year the Zune would not work at all. A failure so epic that it is one for the textbooks and will be remembered long after anything else about the Zune.
Or are thinking of one of the many other examples. Trump's just an especially loud one that is considered a hero despite being "captured" four times (bankrupt for those who don't get the comparison). If reality was a novel the only way the Trump for President plot would get past an editor is if the Democrats had paid him to do it:)
OK then, cut and paste your "Hillary Clinton spied on diplomat's CC numbers in order to blackmail them" into google and find a second article. What's with the extreme laziness, the lying "assumption" and the demand that I do some work instead when you didn't even bother to read to the end of my post above before replying?
I couldn't find anything from leaked documents
From your own admission you did not look, so why state that you couldn't find anything? Tell me why I should not be laughing at you.
I should have answered the question more directly - it's not doing the 3D rendering at all and dumps a 2D canvas to the screen so the current drivers are as good as it gets for that step. However, some software that writes to Wayland, such as Evas, uses OpenGL and can use the 3D rendering hardware to do it's work.
As for "more efficient" - there's not a lot of X that gets in the way between OpenGL and the graphics card anyway. I was using a pentium60 in 2000 with a cheap 3D graphics card to display stuff that a big SGI machine in the next building was feeding to my screen - almost all the work the local machine was doing was handled by the graphics card with X being little more than a way to transport it.
The 3D rendering is a "client problem" as far as wayland goes - it's up to whoever wants to do it to write the stuff to dump it on wayland's canvas. That's not a criticism just a description and an indication of the simplicity the project is going for. Evas (part of enlightenment) may be what you are looking for and is wayland compatible.
The "pretty exciting" stuff is the surrounding projects that tries to make a very cut down bit of X with cut and pasted X code to be almost as capable as X. If they actually do get the speed improvements desired there are situations where it could be very useful but currently the excitement is all about potential instead of in the actual with a lot of needless "X sux" bullshit when the thing should stand on it's own merits. The "X sux" bullshit, if it has to be resorted to, should be reserved for a point where some aspect of the project has developed to the point where it is superior to X.
It's not how good it has to be but how astonishingly bad it is now. In my case it was a CPU bound trivially parallel thing - only half the time on 64 AMD cores running flatout than on an i5 laptop with both using the intel compiler. With gcc the same sort of thing is clock to clock and core to core, with the AMD machine finishing 16 times faster as it should. I forget how many days it took for the short run, but it was days.
As an example some CPU-bound trivially parallel stuff some geophysicists I work with which is compiled with the intel compiler is only twice the speed on a 64 core AMD machine than on a four core intel laptop. Other stuff is clockspeed to clockspeed between xeon and opteron. Sucks. I really don't know why they insist on the intel compiler in that place but I thing some marketing drone has got into the chain with the developers.
The things feed off each other. Once it becomes more difficult to get money the very short term money focused types (MBAs and accountants) get far more say in doing things than the long term product oriented types. An attitude of "we have to do something now" is the enemy of long term growth and stable business. Buying ATI for existing technology was seen as netter value than retaining staff that could develop whatever ATI had or better.
Outsourcing important stuff with sensitive information obviously leads to fuckups, but some people cannot see the obvious until it knees them in the balls and spits in their eye. The "bad things only happen to other people" view is prevalent among those managers who spent their education time on "networking" - (as in getting drunk with students with rich parents)
With such a fuckup due to zero attention span you are asking a lot are you not? How about you do one of those things, such as follow the link, and then get back to me with something from that reading that proves you at least have human intelligence - then we will be able to talk.
Now that is just funny - in response to a post about how to get information with a link at the end for the lazy you responded with "no citation then". You could not only be replaced with a bot, it would do a better job! A student project bot would be a failure if it responded to any post containing "http" with "no citation". As for your ridiculous suggestion with half a million documents, try reading the post and it will tell you how - if that was too complicated there's these things called computers that can search for terms and you are using one right now.
Don't worry, between the new gnome and wayland there are plenty of efforts to make sure that 2016 is not going to be the year of the linux desktop. If you install a distro from 2013 on the other hand it will just work.
My bank's site now has the transaction stuff appear in a small window with scrollbars as a consequence. A desktop user now has to scroll both down and across to be able to see the "cancel" and "ok" buttons.
I've had to shut off auto-updates for a very long time. My graduate students are VERY unhappy when they start a week-long model run and a few days later the computer has rebooted to install a needless update.
If something takes so long why are they using something with as much overhead as MS Windows to run it? The oil and gas industries never left *nix for the time consuming stuff for that reason.
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Actually that's one of the current problems, the developer has to do just about everything then dump to video as if it's an MSDOS display or a game console. Things are improving with other projects such as Enlightenment supporting Wayland so that you actually have some widgets and stuff instead of having to do them all yourself.
Pentium 60 back then and still done the same way now. I quantified the sum of all those little things didn't I - and it doesn't add up to much at all.
It's a dumb framebuffer designed to be less complicated than X. Useful maybe, really nice when the project really gets going maybe, but "next generation"? Who told you that? The entire point is to be a few generations back as a framebuffer without all the extras in X.
It won't matter because they can already blit out the pixels as soon as Wayland decides where they should go - that's part of the point of Wayland being simple, being able to run on far less capable stuff than AMD has. That's why phone guys are working on it.
Really? I missed that one. I believe you but do you have a link in case I want to mention it to others?
I looked into it a while ago when I had unreliable power and outages lasting more than an hour so well beyond UPS capacity. Once you get beyond just having to fill in for a few minutes the generators get expensive, and then you need a plant mechanic to keep the generators in working order, fuel storage, a test regime heaps of electrical work etc etc. A purpose built large scale data centre can be expected to have such things and absorb the cost but adding it in after the fact with something that is not huge, especially on a site without room to put those generators and fuel storage outside, is not a trivial thing.
Ironically now that the place I work for actually has a plant mechanic, electricians and the space for generators plus storage the power supply is stable enough that I no longer need them.
I comes down to the cost of downtime versus all that messing about - in my case a few days downtime of the site can be coped with and absorbed into moving schedules. There really are not that many businesses that are 24/7/365 no matter how important they think they are. A few days out due to flood or hurricane/cyclone will confirm that for most people.
Yes, but I'd say the only way to really understand is to play a time or two and enjoy it enough to actually care enough about the complicated rules - preferably by starting with a version like indoor cricket without the complicated rules. Otherwise you can do what I do with American football which is to enjoy watching it and not care at all about understanding the rules :)
Thank you.
I don't have much patience with the post-literate everything in a video trend which is a pain on workplace computers unlike text or slides. Video has a place but text is for everything else.
Most days yes, but on that one day a year on a leap year it's the classic example of an utterly stupid newbie mistake that would have failed a high school programming assignment in 1985.
Files with an expiry date beyond which the music would not play meant it needed to know the date so a calendar was thrown in as an afterthought without even the most simple tests being applied - so on the last day of leap year the Zune would not work at all. A failure so epic that it is one for the textbooks and will be remembered long after anything else about the Zune.
Or are thinking of one of the many other examples. Trump's just an especially loud one that is considered a hero despite being "captured" four times (bankrupt for those who don't get the comparison). :)
If reality was a novel the only way the Trump for President plot would get past an editor is if the Democrats had paid him to do it
What's with the extreme laziness, the lying "assumption" and the demand that I do some work instead when you didn't even bother to read to the end of my post above before replying?
From your own admission you did not look, so why state that you couldn't find anything? Tell me why I should not be laughing at you.
I should have answered the question more directly - it's not doing the 3D rendering at all and dumps a 2D canvas to the screen so the current drivers are as good as it gets for that step.
However, some software that writes to Wayland, such as Evas, uses OpenGL and can use the 3D rendering hardware to do it's work.
As for "more efficient" - there's not a lot of X that gets in the way between OpenGL and the graphics card anyway. I was using a pentium60 in 2000 with a cheap 3D graphics card to display stuff that a big SGI machine in the next building was feeding to my screen - almost all the work the local machine was doing was handled by the graphics card with X being little more than a way to transport it.
The 3D rendering is a "client problem" as far as wayland goes - it's up to whoever wants to do it to write the stuff to dump it on wayland's canvas. That's not a criticism just a description and an indication of the simplicity the project is going for.
Evas (part of enlightenment) may be what you are looking for and is wayland compatible.
The "pretty exciting" stuff is the surrounding projects that tries to make a very cut down bit of X with cut and pasted X code to be almost as capable as X. If they actually do get the speed improvements desired there are situations where it could be very useful but currently the excitement is all about potential instead of in the actual with a lot of needless "X sux" bullshit when the thing should stand on it's own merits. The "X sux" bullshit, if it has to be resorted to, should be reserved for a point where some aspect of the project has developed to the point where it is superior to X.
Thanks.
I'll see if I've still got time on the licence on the intel compiler and give it a go.
It's not how good it has to be but how astonishingly bad it is now.
In my case it was a CPU bound trivially parallel thing - only half the time on 64 AMD cores running flatout than on an i5 laptop with both using the intel compiler. With gcc the same sort of thing is clock to clock and core to core, with the AMD machine finishing 16 times faster as it should. I forget how many days it took for the short run, but it was days.
Since Wayland is about having a dumb framebuffer the drivers are already good enough to blit a canvas to a screen.
As an example some CPU-bound trivially parallel stuff some geophysicists I work with which is compiled with the intel compiler is only twice the speed on a 64 core AMD machine than on a four core intel laptop. Other stuff is clockspeed to clockspeed between xeon and opteron.
Sucks.
I really don't know why they insist on the intel compiler in that place but I thing some marketing drone has got into the chain with the developers.
The things feed off each other.
Once it becomes more difficult to get money the very short term money focused types (MBAs and accountants) get far more say in doing things than the long term product oriented types. An attitude of "we have to do something now" is the enemy of long term growth and stable business. Buying ATI for existing technology was seen as netter value than retaining staff that could develop whatever ATI had or better.
Very painful new word - "sextorsion" sounds like someone getting their knickers in a twist.
Outsourcing important stuff with sensitive information obviously leads to fuckups, but some people cannot see the obvious until it knees them in the balls and spits in their eye. The "bad things only happen to other people" view is prevalent among those managers who spent their education time on "networking" - (as in getting drunk with students with rich parents)
You clearly did not use google since a keyword search turns up large number of pages like this:
http://www.frugal-cafe.com/pub...
With such a fuckup due to zero attention span you are asking a lot are you not?
How about you do one of those things, such as follow the link, and then get back to me with something from that reading that proves you at least have human intelligence - then we will be able to talk.
Now that is just funny - in response to a post about how to get information with a link at the end for the lazy you responded with "no citation then".
You could not only be replaced with a bot, it would do a better job! A student project bot would be a failure if it responded to any post containing "http" with "no citation".
As for your ridiculous suggestion with half a million documents, try reading the post and it will tell you how - if that was too complicated there's these things called computers that can search for terms and you are using one right now.
Don't worry, between the new gnome and wayland there are plenty of efforts to make sure that 2016 is not going to be the year of the linux desktop. If you install a distro from 2013 on the other hand it will just work.
Another way of looking at it:
With all the malware, spam and popups out there there are many computers that get shit down daily.
My bank's site now has the transaction stuff appear in a small window with scrollbars as a consequence. A desktop user now has to scroll both down and across to be able to see the "cancel" and "ok" buttons.
If something takes so long why are they using something with as much overhead as MS Windows to run it? The oil and gas industries never left *nix for the time consuming stuff for that reason.