As you can see from the specification page, Bert Bos also worked on the CSS spec. Bert and Håkon also wrote a book together "CSS: Design for the Web" covering CSS. It's not as practical as some CSS books, but it certainly covers the spec and explains why things are the way they area. (especially the first edition of the book)
The license used is irrelevant. I can download development releases of Apache HTTPD right now. It has to do with the definition of open source and what people think it means. Technically, Google is not doing anything wrong. However, most of us are used to development models like Linux, BSD, Firefox, etc. We can checkout code at any point in the development process and use it.
The form of open source google is using is what RMS is always upset about. Let's not forget components of Android releases are under the GPL.
Well most open source projects release every version as open source. Imagine if we only got every other linux kernel opened up. Google is technically open source, but it's not "real" open source. The FSF wouldn't do this and BSD projects don't even do this.
Google's actions are fine for a commercial company, but they shouldn't get the "open source" bump for doing it half assed.
And google decided that all vendors weren't willing to put in the time to make it ready for a phone. If it were really open source, they could have trusted the community to do it right. If not, well they should make their own hardware like apple does then.
It would have to know which user you're logging in as. Per user profiles can be quite different on a windows system. It loads most of that crap as the user too.
I've had my laptop suspend on the update screen before when i wanted to "walk away". That just doesn't make sense with laptops.
More than you think. Not to mention FreeBSD has linux emulation and can run flash, google earth, old versions of Skype and Oracle, etc.
As far as video games and tax software go, I didn't say I thought the RMS vision was possible. It's just what the GNU believers want. It's a philosophy.
I'm a BSD guy and I have no problem with commercial software. I was just pointing out an obvious branding problem the Linux community has. They get linux on netbooks and shitty distros ruin it. Now all those people think Linux sucks because some poor distro tainted their view. It hurts the linux community to push this 1000 distros is all linux mentality. They need to separate the idea of compatibility from linux. Come up with a marketing spiel for that, but push the distro name.
They should do this. How many times has a company put out a binary for "Linux" that is only an rpm or deb file? Yeah there's ways to convert some of these, but it's confusing to end users. A linux binary doesn't always run everywhere. it's a sad truth.
At best one could put related distros together.. ubuntu/debian * , fedora/redhat/centos *,...
The second you try to go off the beaten path, you get into dependency hell.
Linux fans put up with this crap, but regular users don't like it. As for the GNU/Linux vs Linux debate, I'll just avoid that aside from saying that a pure GNU stack wouldn't have the problem you mentioned because there wouldn't be non-free software available for it and the distro would provide packages for everything.
If you think this is unfair, realize that it's the position all the BSD systems are in now. A freebsd 9 binary doesn't run on NetBSD, etc.
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I totally agree with this. When I needed to use linux, Ubuntu was my go to distro for the last several years. I migrated from Redhat and Gentoo to it. I've ended up using Debian lately. It's a little behind what Ubuntu was, but it's a lot more stable and many things work for me that didn't in Ubuntu out of the box.
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I think people need to stop pushing Linux distros as Linux. If we all start calling them by their given project name, it will avoid this confusion. We want end users to compare Fedora to Ubuntu to Suse to Debian, not one size fits all. Yeah they use the same kernel and some of the same software, but it's not even the same versions between current distros. It will just make things easier to deal with.
Besides, let's say we finally get that year of Linux on the desktop everyone dreams of. It won't be Linux on the desktop, it will be some distro on the desktop. They won't all hit critical mass. If distros marketed themselves distinctly, it would help.
It's simple, man power. The sheer number of dependancies that Gnome and KDE require alone is mind blowing. Someone has to package all those things up. It's not one big Gnome package, it's a package for gtk, gnome libs, pango, pkg-config, gstreamer, gdm3,...
Debian is lucky enough to have a lot of people working on packages. Most projects don't have that kind of support. Some of them are very small and only have a few guys helping out.
As someone working on a BSD project with a similar issue, I can tell you it's a lot of work to keep all this stuff updated. What's worse is that some of these projects aren't as good as others taking upstream patches. Even if you limit it to Linux, there can be issues with combinations of glibc + kernel version + other software installed. Then there's differences between GCC versions.. I could go on.
The system preference for changing the mouse does not appear with the Microsoft mouse driver installed. If I were to use an apple mouse, I would not have that problem but i'd also not be able to play first person shooters. (you can't right click and left click at the same time on a mighty mouse or similar)
I wish they would have kept rosetta for people stuck on a 32bit kernel. I have a first generation Mac Pro and it doesn't boot the 64bit kernel because the EFI setup only works with 32bit from what i've read. I've got a stack of games that no longer work including Starcraft, Diablo II and Age of Empires II. Luckily, with the recent steam port to OS X and starcraft II I still have something to do on my Mac.
The libdispatch mailing list is rather interesting. I've been on it for a few months and they've been discussing some of the new features and progress on ports to Linux, Solaris and Windows. The Apple employees on that list are very helpful. As for FreeBSD, I think they missed a nice opportunity to ship llvm + clang with libobjc2 and libdispatch. They recently pulled objective c from base. All of this is available in ports, but it's not the same. Robert Watson did a good job with the original libdispatch port though.
It's about time Congress passed some privacy laws that detail what companies can and cannot do with people's data. Instead of privacy policies that companies don't honor, why not set some basics. It would avoid the Amazon issue, the recent OnStar fiasco, put some limits on Google and other Ad companies, etc. Most of the reactions on this article are about how stupid this is. Instead, consider that we usually complain about privacy and Congress has finally noticed albeit a very weak example.
Some of the technical details are wrong with his statement, but consider that we're dealing with someone who isn't technically savvy I'd say it's a pretty good start.
My employer still uses TeX (not even LaTeX) for everything. They're just starting to plan a migration to LaTeX. It's still highly popular in math and scientific communities. What do you suggest they use instead? MathML? LOL
I would completely agree that the non-visible changes to Lion are mostly good. It's very stable. However, I think many people have genuine complaints about the user interface. Apple changed things for no good reason, just to do it. When Microsoft does that, people complain like mad yet when Apple does it, it's an attack on users.
For example, why can't i click away from a widget to get out of dashboard now. I have to click a button in the corner or hit escape. It made it much less efficient to use. Why did they invert the mouse? I had to find a command line hack to fix that because the mouse preferences don't show it for a Microsoft mouse with the proper driver installed. What's the point of launchpad? I think I've used it once. Why did they make address book and ical look like "real" items. It's ugly and requires extra clicks to add calendar entries from different calendars. The list goes on and on.
The problem is that all the good apple and next people retired. We've got younger programmers who grew up with web pages that all look different designing the user interface. They don't care about HCI guidelines or consistency anymore. Windows is more consistent and polished. That's just sad. I hate Windows 7's 5+ clicks to do anything UI, but at least it's predicable.
This isn't just it's different.. it's different in a bad way. That is a legitimate complaint.
I don't hate everything about lion. Safari, iTunes, Time Machine, and Terminal all work well. iCloud is nice (except for the lack of merging accounts). GCD (libdispatch) is awesome.
I suspect the next OS X release will be much better. They'll probably flush out how crazy they want to get duplicating the iOS UI by then and finish what they started.
Great, where is this $5 VPS service that can handle 50GB of data + the OS, allows me to install my own operating system, and has rdns? Did I mention I need a ridiculous amount of transfer. Most cheap VPS solutions are running on linux. They're not a full virtual machine so you can't run another OS on them. Hosting my BSD project on Linux is kind of messed up.
I have very odd hosting requirements. The only solution I could do is to colo a server somewhere. A cheap place is $50 per server. That's $100 a month. My cable package is around $75. I'd pay at least $50 for cable anyway.
You're part of the problem. Not EVERY CABLE MODEM IS AN END USER.
I have a business class cable package. My employer also does. DHCP is one thing, but static blocks should be excluded from your list. You can get 3 cable packages for the cost of a T1 here. It's insane to buy a T1 to host a website.
This is an attempt to make the internet smaller and get rid of the little guys.
I think ISPs do this on purpose to make people pay more. I have the same problem with Comcast. I have business class cable for hosting my websites and they only allow you to change the PTR record if you buy hosting through them too.
They used to allow me to relay through a mail server, but took that away earlier this year. I have static IPs and they know I'm doing this. It's in the contract. In fact, I had a few questions from them because of the anonymous FTP server used for ISOs and all the IPv6 tunnel traffic. (they won't do IPv6 either)
People who say that it should be required don't realize that many people don't have control of their setups. Further, I can't buy an account at godaddy or something. They don't do anonymous FTP and certainly don't want 40GB of ISOs, source and packages uploaded. I tried the dedicated server route, but few companies will install my operating system on the server. It's also an open source project. I've had a few hardware donations and sold a few t-shirts, but this is funded by myself and my wife.
It's reasonable to give a strike in spam assassin toward an email setup like this, but a flat out blacklisting is silly. I'm not even sure it's as effective. The assumption before is that spam came from dial-up, DSL and cable systems due to viruses and botnets. I don't think that's stopped, but many botnet's own servers now and send from systems with valid PTR records.
The best way to stop spam is to take down the botnets. Anything else is just a futile attempt to slow it down a little.
I recommend looking at who's currently on the board at HP. It explains everything. There's a ridiculous number of hedge fund managers and similar type people. They've only got one real HP person on the board and that person is from enterprise marketing or something like that. No one on the board understands their products or what they do except possibly this marketing person.
You would think a company like HP would have at least a few people who've run tech companies on their board.
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That's what the Designed for Windows 8 sticker will tell us.
That would never happen. Apple made the mistake of licensing Mac OS 7 to third parties and got burned. They won't do it again.
This would allow people to hack/break into the iPhone/iPad market with third party stores easily. It's a huge attack on their business model.
Besides, they'd probably use the AAPL or Apache 2 license if they did open source it.
I think it's GPLv3 compatible. It's not GPLv2 compatible because of the patent exception part.
Apple hates the GPLv3 because of the "Tivo" clause. Apple bought CUPS and continues to ship that under GPLv2.
As you can see from the specification page, Bert Bos also worked on the CSS spec. Bert and Håkon also wrote a book together "CSS: Design for the Web" covering CSS. It's not as practical as some CSS books, but it certainly covers the spec and explains why things are the way they area. (especially the first edition of the book)
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-CSS1-20080411/
The license used is irrelevant. I can download development releases of Apache HTTPD right now. It has to do with the definition of open source and what people think it means. Technically, Google is not doing anything wrong. However, most of us are used to development models like Linux, BSD, Firefox, etc. We can checkout code at any point in the development process and use it.
The form of open source google is using is what RMS is always upset about. Let's not forget components of Android releases are under the GPL.
Well most open source projects release every version as open source. Imagine if we only got every other linux kernel opened up. Google is technically open source, but it's not "real" open source. The FSF wouldn't do this and BSD projects don't even do this.
Google's actions are fine for a commercial company, but they shouldn't get the "open source" bump for doing it half assed.
And google decided that all vendors weren't willing to put in the time to make it ready for a phone. If it were really open source, they could have trusted the community to do it right. If not, well they should make their own hardware like apple does then.
It would have to know which user you're logging in as. Per user profiles can be quite different on a windows system. It loads most of that crap as the user too.
I've had my laptop suspend on the update screen before when i wanted to "walk away". That just doesn't make sense with laptops.
More than you think. Not to mention FreeBSD has linux emulation and can run flash, google earth, old versions of Skype and Oracle, etc.
As far as video games and tax software go, I didn't say I thought the RMS vision was possible. It's just what the GNU believers want. It's a philosophy.
I'm a BSD guy and I have no problem with commercial software. I was just pointing out an obvious branding problem the Linux community has. They get linux on netbooks and shitty distros ruin it. Now all those people think Linux sucks because some poor distro tainted their view. It hurts the linux community to push this 1000 distros is all linux mentality. They need to separate the idea of compatibility from linux. Come up with a marketing spiel for that, but push the distro name.
TRIM doesn't work with RAID, period. Most drives can work with RAID 0 or 1.
They should do this. How many times has a company put out a binary for "Linux" that is only an rpm or deb file? Yeah there's ways to convert some of these, but it's confusing to end users. A linux binary doesn't always run everywhere. it's a sad truth.
At best one could put related distros together.. ubuntu/debian * , fedora/redhat/centos *, ...
The second you try to go off the beaten path, you get into dependency hell.
Linux fans put up with this crap, but regular users don't like it. As for the GNU/Linux vs Linux debate, I'll just avoid that aside from saying that a pure GNU stack wouldn't have the problem you mentioned because there wouldn't be non-free software available for it and the distro would provide packages for everything.
If you think this is unfair, realize that it's the position all the BSD systems are in now. A freebsd 9 binary doesn't run on NetBSD, etc.
I totally agree with this. When I needed to use linux, Ubuntu was my go to distro for the last several years. I migrated from Redhat and Gentoo to it. I've ended up using Debian lately. It's a little behind what Ubuntu was, but it's a lot more stable and many things work for me that didn't in Ubuntu out of the box.
I think people need to stop pushing Linux distros as Linux. If we all start calling them by their given project name, it will avoid this confusion. We want end users to compare Fedora to Ubuntu to Suse to Debian, not one size fits all. Yeah they use the same kernel and some of the same software, but it's not even the same versions between current distros. It will just make things easier to deal with.
Besides, let's say we finally get that year of Linux on the desktop everyone dreams of. It won't be Linux on the desktop, it will be some distro on the desktop. They won't all hit critical mass. If distros marketed themselves distinctly, it would help.
It's simple, man power. The sheer number of dependancies that Gnome and KDE require alone is mind blowing. Someone has to package all those things up. It's not one big Gnome package, it's a package for gtk, gnome libs, pango, pkg-config, gstreamer, gdm3, ...
Debian is lucky enough to have a lot of people working on packages. Most projects don't have that kind of support. Some of them are very small and only have a few guys helping out.
As someone working on a BSD project with a similar issue, I can tell you it's a lot of work to keep all this stuff updated. What's worse is that some of these projects aren't as good as others taking upstream patches. Even if you limit it to Linux, there can be issues with combinations of glibc + kernel version + other software installed. Then there's differences between GCC versions.. I could go on.
Is the Foundation implementation under development hosted publicly yet? I'd be interested in looking at that.
Thanks for the information about libobjc licensing.
I think Find My Mac is a new iCloud feature and he might not have set that up yet.
The system preference for changing the mouse does not appear with the Microsoft mouse driver installed. If I were to use an apple mouse, I would not have that problem but i'd also not be able to play first person shooters. (you can't right click and left click at the same time on a mighty mouse or similar)
I wish they would have kept rosetta for people stuck on a 32bit kernel. I have a first generation Mac Pro and it doesn't boot the 64bit kernel because the EFI setup only works with 32bit from what i've read. I've got a stack of games that no longer work including Starcraft, Diablo II and Age of Empires II. Luckily, with the recent steam port to OS X and starcraft II I still have something to do on my Mac.
The libdispatch mailing list is rather interesting. I've been on it for a few months and they've been discussing some of the new features and progress on ports to Linux, Solaris and Windows. The Apple employees on that list are very helpful. As for FreeBSD, I think they missed a nice opportunity to ship llvm + clang with libobjc2 and libdispatch. They recently pulled objective c from base. All of this is available in ports, but it's not the same. Robert Watson did a good job with the original libdispatch port though.
It's about time Congress passed some privacy laws that detail what companies can and cannot do with people's data. Instead of privacy policies that companies don't honor, why not set some basics. It would avoid the Amazon issue, the recent OnStar fiasco, put some limits on Google and other Ad companies, etc. Most of the reactions on this article are about how stupid this is. Instead, consider that we usually complain about privacy and Congress has finally noticed albeit a very weak example.
Some of the technical details are wrong with his statement, but consider that we're dealing with someone who isn't technically savvy I'd say it's a pretty good start.
My employer still uses TeX (not even LaTeX) for everything. They're just starting to plan a migration to LaTeX. It's still highly popular in math and scientific communities. What do you suggest they use instead? MathML? LOL
I would completely agree that the non-visible changes to Lion are mostly good. It's very stable. However, I think many people have genuine complaints about the user interface. Apple changed things for no good reason, just to do it. When Microsoft does that, people complain like mad yet when Apple does it, it's an attack on users.
For example, why can't i click away from a widget to get out of dashboard now. I have to click a button in the corner or hit escape. It made it much less efficient to use. Why did they invert the mouse? I had to find a command line hack to fix that because the mouse preferences don't show it for a Microsoft mouse with the proper driver installed. What's the point of launchpad? I think I've used it once. Why did they make address book and ical look like "real" items. It's ugly and requires extra clicks to add calendar entries from different calendars. The list goes on and on.
The problem is that all the good apple and next people retired. We've got younger programmers who grew up with web pages that all look different designing the user interface. They don't care about HCI guidelines or consistency anymore. Windows is more consistent and polished. That's just sad. I hate Windows 7's 5+ clicks to do anything UI, but at least it's predicable.
This isn't just it's different.. it's different in a bad way. That is a legitimate complaint.
I don't hate everything about lion. Safari, iTunes, Time Machine, and Terminal all work well. iCloud is nice (except for the lack of merging accounts). GCD (libdispatch) is awesome.
I suspect the next OS X release will be much better. They'll probably flush out how crazy they want to get duplicating the iOS UI by then and finish what they started.
Great, where is this $5 VPS service that can handle 50GB of data + the OS, allows me to install my own operating system, and has rdns? Did I mention I need a ridiculous amount of transfer. Most cheap VPS solutions are running on linux. They're not a full virtual machine so you can't run another OS on them. Hosting my BSD project on Linux is kind of messed up.
I have very odd hosting requirements. The only solution I could do is to colo a server somewhere. A cheap place is $50 per server. That's $100 a month. My cable package is around $75. I'd pay at least $50 for cable anyway.
I have not looked into that. I do have mirrors for the FTP server (using rsync) at the ISC, etc.
You're part of the problem. Not EVERY CABLE MODEM IS AN END USER.
I have a business class cable package. My employer also does. DHCP is one thing, but static blocks should be excluded from your list. You can get 3 cable packages for the cost of a T1 here. It's insane to buy a T1 to host a website.
This is an attempt to make the internet smaller and get rid of the little guys.
I think ISPs do this on purpose to make people pay more. I have the same problem with Comcast. I have business class cable for hosting my websites and they only allow you to change the PTR record if you buy hosting through them too.
They used to allow me to relay through a mail server, but took that away earlier this year. I have static IPs and they know I'm doing this. It's in the contract. In fact, I had a few questions from them because of the anonymous FTP server used for ISOs and all the IPv6 tunnel traffic. (they won't do IPv6 either)
People who say that it should be required don't realize that many people don't have control of their setups. Further, I can't buy an account at godaddy or something. They don't do anonymous FTP and certainly don't want 40GB of ISOs, source and packages uploaded. I tried the dedicated server route, but few companies will install my operating system on the server. It's also an open source project. I've had a few hardware donations and sold a few t-shirts, but this is funded by myself and my wife.
It's reasonable to give a strike in spam assassin toward an email setup like this, but a flat out blacklisting is silly. I'm not even sure it's as effective. The assumption before is that spam came from dial-up, DSL and cable systems due to viruses and botnets. I don't think that's stopped, but many botnet's own servers now and send from systems with valid PTR records.
The best way to stop spam is to take down the botnets. Anything else is just a futile attempt to slow it down a little.
I recommend looking at who's currently on the board at HP. It explains everything. There's a ridiculous number of hedge fund managers and similar type people. They've only got one real HP person on the board and that person is from enterprise marketing or something like that. No one on the board understands their products or what they do except possibly this marketing person.
You would think a company like HP would have at least a few people who've run tech companies on their board.