Haiku isn't a reinvention of the wheel anyway. It's an improved implementation of it. They've fixed many of the errors Be made the first time around and the aim of R1 is to build a solid base from which the platform can be extended. In terms of user experience, I'd argue that BeOS still beats the pants off Linux. That's not to say Linux isn't great, it is, but I think there's something to be said for an OS built from the ground up specifically for desktop use.
Yes, this is true. The Haiku project was one that got denied, and Google refused to even give a reason. It's a shame in Haiku's case, because they've come so far (the network stack and the USB stack are really the only missing pieces, aside from those they already have a fully-functional recreation of BeOS R5, compatible with a significant number of R5 apps, including Firefox) with virtually zero corporate backing, and when a chance to finally get some money, some promotion and some developer interest comes along, they're denied it.
On the bright side though, the community has stepped up and created HaikuBounties where users can donate money in the hope it will entice a developer to complete those last two components, and over $600 has been raised in last two or so weeks. So for the projects that missed out, I suggest they try and find out whether their community can fill the gaps SoC refuses to.
Seriously, could they have at least considered dual-licensing with the GFDL, so text could be borrowed from Wikipedia and vice-versa? This is a seriously counter-productive move considering that Wikipedia already has a wealth of information on television shows (see their pages on South Park for an excellent example).
They aren't incorporating into stable though. They're incorporating it into testing, which by the sound of it, won't be released until next year, despite earlier projected release dates.
That may be true, but they're still a long, long way away from their destination. They still don't have an alpha-quality kernel or interface kit, 3 years after work began. There's a heck of a lot of work to be done, by a pretty small team. Also, the developers are trying to clone BeOS 5, an OS released in 2000 - so when they finally get something usable and stable, at a guess sometime in 2006, they'll have a copy of an OS that is over six years old. Sure, there will be some differences, but that is the gist of it. Tiger will be out by then, Longhorn will possibly be out in that timeframe, and GNOME and KDE will be more advanced than ever. Meanwhile, Haiku will still be single-user!
I hate to be such a pessimist, BeOS was a great OS for its time, but it seems circumstance will relegate Haiku to the fringe, used only by hobbyists. It's a shame really that they were so ambitious (maintaining binary compatibility, pretty much doing it all from scratch), and that the efforts to implement the Be API over a Linux kernel stalled.
Considering Firefox is supposed to be the secure alternative, 13 security advisories in the last 6 or so months isn't a good look.
Sure it isn't that bad, but nonetheless, it doesn't help the Firefox's image at all and looking at Secunia, Firefox has had more advisories than any other browser, (yes, that includes Internet Explorer and the Mozilla Suite) since May this year.
No hard drive bay, which means no Final Fantasy XI.
Sort of similar to how they dumped the parallel port on later models of the original PlayStation, I suppose. It's interesting how support never really matierialised for the hard drive; but then again I can't think of an console expansion that has ever really flown in the marketplace.
But where's the market?
You can buy a decent PC for $300, the keyboard looks too unsuitable to be used professionally and it's too big to used as a PDA.
So it is an overpriced, oversized PDA, with a clunky interface. Who really has any utility for that?
Wrong. It's an example of Enlightenment's Engage, using EFLs. Better yet, it's only a small sample of the incredible effects the EFLs can carry out. Combined with X1168, E reclaims its position as the most beautiful desktop around. No joke.
Actually, this is why I find GMail rocks. I'm often working on documents I seriously don't want to lose - projects, reports etc. So periodically I save on my computer, and then e-mail them to my GMail account, which I have label all e-mail from my home address with "Work". So then I have a searchable, reasonably secure backup of everything I generate and with 1GB of space, size constraints aren't a big worry.
I'm just waiting for them to implement searching through attachments, then it would be perfect.
Yeah, because names like "Outlook Express", "Microsoft Excel" and "Safari" are sooo much more clear.
No need to bag on open source software in particular, because unhelpful naming exists throughout the software industry. And that's why we have tooltips.
Rare have made one game since they left Nintendo over 2 years ago. One. To boot, it wasn't even very good and didn't sell very well. How much cash did Nintendo get out of selling Rare? Like, $200 million. Who's the dumbass? Nintendo or Microsoft?
Left Field made terrible games anyway. How many great games have they made since the end of their relationship. None. So who's the chump again? Not Nintendo.
Silicon Knights have made two good games, but they haven't sold very well. Not really a wise investment to keep them exclusive, when the money could be better spent elsewhere. Looking at the track record, i'm willing to bet Nintendo won't be the chump on this one either.
"Mike Hawk" your anti-Nintendo trolling is getting old. Get a job.
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GTK+ is licensed under the LGPL. This means companies and individuals can make closed source software that uses GTK+.
QT is dual-licensed, one of the licenses being the GPL and the other being a commercial TrollTech one. This means you have to pay TrollTech a fee if you want to create closed software that utilises QT.
A lot of folks in Silicon Valley are so drunk on their own bath water that they simply don't get Linus. Take Steve Jobs. After Linus moved to the States in 1997, the acting Apple Computer CEO got in touch with him. Jobs wanted to persuade Linus to get involved in making the MacOS an open source code project. "He tried to get the Linux movement going more into the Apple area. I think he was surprised that his arguments, which were the Apple market share arguments--which would have made an impression on people who did this for commercial reasons--had absolutely no impact on me,'' Linus says.
According to Torvalds, Jobs assumed that he would be interested in joining Apple's mission to capture more of the personal computer market from Microsoft, rather than continue concentrating on Linux. "I don't think Jobs realized that Linux would potentially have more users than Apple, although it's a very different user base."
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The new look /. might get my vote. What a transformation, seriously.
*cough* THREE Linux distros *cough*
Haiku isn't a reinvention of the wheel anyway. It's an improved implementation of it. They've fixed many of the errors Be made the first time around and the aim of R1 is to build a solid base from which the platform can be extended. In terms of user experience, I'd argue that BeOS still beats the pants off Linux. That's not to say Linux isn't great, it is, but I think there's something to be said for an OS built from the ground up specifically for desktop use.
Yes, this is true. The Haiku project was one that got denied, and Google refused to even give a reason. It's a shame in Haiku's case, because they've come so far (the network stack and the USB stack are really the only missing pieces, aside from those they already have a fully-functional recreation of BeOS R5, compatible with a significant number of R5 apps, including Firefox) with virtually zero corporate backing, and when a chance to finally get some money, some promotion and some developer interest comes along, they're denied it.
On the bright side though, the community has stepped up and created HaikuBounties where users can donate money in the hope it will entice a developer to complete those last two components, and over $600 has been raised in last two or so weeks. So for the projects that missed out, I suggest they try and find out whether their community can fill the gaps SoC refuses to.
Seriously, could they have at least considered dual-licensing with the GFDL, so text could be borrowed from Wikipedia and vice-versa? This is a seriously counter-productive move considering that Wikipedia already has a wealth of information on television shows (see their pages on South Park for an excellent example).
That'll really teach those BBC punks!
No-one wants to steal Microsoft's idea for a "Thought Thieves" competition.
Funnily enough, the "Mutant League" games were actually published by EA, not Sega.
They aren't incorporating into stable though. They're incorporating it into testing, which by the sound of it, won't be released until next year, despite earlier projected release dates.
"Things are really moving."
That may be true, but they're still a long, long way away from their destination. They still don't have an alpha-quality kernel or interface kit, 3 years after work began. There's a heck of a lot of work to be done, by a pretty small team. Also, the developers are trying to clone BeOS 5, an OS released in 2000 - so when they finally get something usable and stable, at a guess sometime in 2006, they'll have a copy of an OS that is over six years old. Sure, there will be some differences, but that is the gist of it. Tiger will be out by then, Longhorn will possibly be out in that timeframe, and GNOME and KDE will be more advanced than ever. Meanwhile, Haiku will still be single-user!
I hate to be such a pessimist, BeOS was a great OS for its time, but it seems circumstance will relegate Haiku to the fringe, used only by hobbyists. It's a shame really that they were so ambitious (maintaining binary compatibility, pretty much doing it all from scratch), and that the efforts to implement the Be API over a Linux kernel stalled.
Dude! Who needs xterm - a tty and GNU screen is where it's at!
;)
Everything else is just overhead - X is the UNIX equivalent of a water-cooler.
Considering Firefox is supposed to be the secure alternative, 13 security advisories in the last 6 or so months isn't a good look.
Sure it isn't that bad, but nonetheless, it doesn't help the Firefox's image at all and looking at Secunia, Firefox has had more advisories than any other browser, (yes, that includes Internet Explorer and the Mozilla Suite) since May this year.
No hard drive bay, which means no Final Fantasy XI.
Sort of similar to how they dumped the parallel port on later models of the original PlayStation, I suppose. It's interesting how support never really matierialised for the hard drive; but then again I can't think of an console expansion that has ever really flown in the marketplace.
Squenix can't be thrilled though.
But where's the market? You can buy a decent PC for $300, the keyboard looks too unsuitable to be used professionally and it's too big to used as a PDA. So it is an overpriced, oversized PDA, with a clunky interface. Who really has any utility for that?
No, you're wrong. It's Engage, developed using the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries and it's only a small sample of what E17 will be capable of.
Wrong. It's an example of Enlightenment's Engage, using EFLs. Better yet, it's only a small sample of the incredible effects the EFLs can carry out. Combined with X1168, E reclaims its position as the most beautiful desktop around. No joke.
Actually, this is why I find GMail rocks. I'm often working on documents I seriously don't want to lose - projects, reports etc. So periodically I save on my computer, and then e-mail them to my GMail account, which I have label all e-mail from my home address with "Work". So then I have a searchable, reasonably secure backup of everything I generate and with 1GB of space, size constraints aren't a big worry.
I'm just waiting for them to implement searching through attachments, then it would be perfect.
Right. As the article says ARM designs chips and then license the designs to parties that then manufacture them.
Yeah, but it doesn't count if it is a band no-one would pay to listen to.
Which makes you wonder how "They Might Be Giants" are getting away with it, doesn't it?
Yeah, because names like "Outlook Express", "Microsoft Excel" and "Safari" are sooo much more clear.
No need to bag on open source software in particular, because unhelpful naming exists throughout the software industry. And that's why we have tooltips.
MINIX is on the comeback trail, so I guess we'll see a lot more MUGs around.
Oh, I slay me!
Rare have made one game since they left Nintendo over 2 years ago. One. To boot, it wasn't even very good and didn't sell very well. How much cash did Nintendo get out of selling Rare? Like, $200 million. Who's the dumbass? Nintendo or Microsoft?
Left Field made terrible games anyway. How many great games have they made since the end of their relationship. None. So who's the chump again? Not Nintendo.
Silicon Knights have made two good games, but they haven't sold very well. Not really a wise investment to keep them exclusive, when the money could be better spent elsewhere. Looking at the track record, i'm willing to bet Nintendo won't be the chump on this one either.
"Mike Hawk" your anti-Nintendo trolling is getting old. Get a job.
That one WAS an April Fool's joke. They're not using G5s.
Maybe it wasn't SCO, but a SCO fan! Oh wait...
GTK+ is licensed under the LGPL. This means companies and individuals can make closed source software that uses GTK+. QT is dual-licensed, one of the licenses being the GPL and the other being a commercial TrollTech one. This means you have to pay TrollTech a fee if you want to create closed software that utilises QT.
Googled up some more info.
A lot of folks in Silicon Valley are so drunk on their own bath water that they simply don't get Linus. Take Steve Jobs. After Linus moved to the States in 1997, the acting Apple Computer CEO got in touch with him. Jobs wanted to persuade Linus to get involved in making the MacOS an open source code project. "He tried to get the Linux movement going more into the Apple area. I think he was surprised that his arguments, which were the Apple market share arguments--which would have made an impression on people who did this for commercial reasons--had absolutely no impact on me,'' Linus says.
According to Torvalds, Jobs assumed that he would be interested in joining Apple's mission to capture more of the personal computer market from Microsoft, rather than continue concentrating on Linux. "I don't think Jobs realized that Linux would potentially have more users than Apple, although it's a very different user base."