She haunts the corridors of the Microsoft powerbase and gives Client Server NEWS some of its sharp edge. Famous for her confrontational style in press conferences she is single-handedly the reason why most companies in the sector have abandoned having press conferences.
Ok, mr. win32 programmer. I'm a cross-platform developer (Windows, Linux and Mac) and I use all of them in my work.
Windows XP is not a new OS. Is just Windows 2000 "for dummies". Ask anyone around here. Comparing it to XP is a joke. I (have) to work with them at work. It's amazing how pathetic Windows (and Linux) can become after using MacOS X.
AND, MacOS X does support legacy code, via its Carbon layer. 10.0 and 10.2 (I think) had the classic environment, enabling applications not avaliable on Carbon to run, something like WOW (Windows on Windows), the emulated layer MS used to run 16-bit code on "32-bit" Windows. Seems to me a nice progressive approach.
10.4 is a major release. How many times will we need to tell you guys that Apple's versioning convention is different?
And, I made the mistake of learning Objective-C and Cocoa. Man, wxWidgets looks so dull now:(
Some sysadmins you know? Well, I guess we need more precision than that, since everyone I know that downloaded Solaris, re-installed Linux after 2-3 days.
Cosmic balance? Man, get over Sun;)
-- Linux crushed Solaris - That's why Sun is giving it away for free.
I know. I just said that the features you were mentioning were not from Solaris, but from Gnome, and works flawlessly, or even better, on any modern Linux distro.
It's fine that you or your company don't like Solaris, but the fact that well over a half-million people downloaded Solaris 10 in three weeks says that it really isn't becoming extinct. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Even I downloaded Solaris out of curiosity to see what all the hype is about and, like almost everybody else, I was disappointed.
Download numbers are not a very clever way to defend your ideas, mein freund. It's good to see Sun releasing Solaris as "quasi-free". It only proves that Linux is really, really disturbing Sun.
Well, at least your feelings are clear. by SunFan (845761)
So are yours.
For more information on what the CDDL offers, there's the FAQ at www.opensolaris.org and the link in my sig.
Thanks, I've already scrolled over all those marketing blurbs.
Also, OpenSolaris isn't just about freeloading off of OSS developers. Think about large Sun customers who would love to have access to the code for troubleshooting, for example, or about ISVs who develop software for Solaris.
Good for them. The problem is that those people are starting to become extinct. My company used to develop for Solaris... until we got involved with the wonderful world of Linux. Do we miss Solaris? No. Do we miss working with the "bright souls" from Sun? Noooo.
And Solaris 10 isn't ancient at all. In fact, no other vendor really offers anything close for the price, even IBM.
Oh, ok. If you say so. But, sorry mate, I don't see anything special in Solaris. DTrace? Fancy Jails? Mostly marketing blurb to me. Sorry.
I agree that "one size fits all" doesn't work. But with the plethora of licenses avaliable today, why create another one?
I mean, I'm a developer. It's horrible to scroll over all these "custom licenses" just to find out what's the catch. You mentioned Mozilla, Apache, OpenBSD, X.org... what does CDDL gives to Sun that those licenses doesn't? Or, better yet: What does CDDL gives us?
My opinion about Sun is the same that I have about opensource.apple.com (BTW, I like Apple a lot more than the scumbags at Sun): They only want to cut development costs "outsourcing" the development to the FOSS community.
Sun is free to do whatever they want with their ancient Unix. They can even pay SCO. I don't care. I will still recommend other better alternatives than Solaris. That is part of what freedom entails.
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Subject says it all.
Huh? Isn't this old news?
FP!
From http://www.g2news.com/editors.html, aka Maureen's site:
:)
She haunts the corridors of the Microsoft powerbase and gives Client Server NEWS some of its sharp edge. Famous for her confrontational style in press conferences she is single-handedly the reason why most companies in the sector have abandoned having press conferences.
Man! This woman is a bitch!
So, go buy original software instead of bashing great and hard work from talented developers.
E.
and you are pathetic, really pathetic...
Hmm... No. Spotlight is great.
At least they got something from Gnome...
Calm down man... Longhorn will be here in... hmmm... sometime. ;)
Everyone thought that SCO would make Linux look bad and childish to companies all around. ;)
Who thought that BitKeeper would be the culprit, eh?
Ok, mr. win32 programmer. I'm a cross-platform developer (Windows, Linux and Mac) and I use all of them in my work.
:(
Windows XP is not a new OS. Is just Windows 2000 "for dummies". Ask anyone around here. Comparing it to XP is a joke. I (have) to work with them at work. It's amazing how pathetic Windows (and Linux) can become after using MacOS X.
AND, MacOS X does support legacy code, via its Carbon layer. 10.0 and 10.2 (I think) had the classic environment, enabling applications not avaliable on Carbon to run, something like WOW (Windows on Windows), the emulated layer MS used to run 16-bit code on "32-bit" Windows. Seems to me a nice progressive approach.
10.4 is a major release. How many times will we need to tell you guys that Apple's versioning convention is different?
And, I made the mistake of learning Objective-C and Cocoa. Man, wxWidgets looks so dull now
Soo... If someone ports DTrace to Linux, than Linux will be what UNIX should have been years ago.
Hard to believe. DTrace, for me, is hype. Useful, but mostly hype.
Some sysadmins you know? Well, I guess we need more precision than that, since everyone I know that downloaded Solaris, re-installed Linux after 2-3 days.
;)
Cosmic balance? Man, get over Sun
--
Linux crushed Solaris - That's why Sun is giving it away for free.
And people say that the largest computer cluster in the world runs Linux. Bah!
Of course it runs Windows! Go Microsoft!
*ugh*
It won't break mine ;)
Proud cross-platform C++ developer, using wxWidgets.
KDE is dying. So...
Solaris 10: over 900,000 registered systems in less than two months!
;)
Remember: downloads are not actual systems...
I know. I just said that the features you were mentioning were not from Solaris, but from Gnome, and works flawlessly, or even better, on any modern Linux distro.
This is Gnome, not Solaris.
Cheers!
Try valgrind, its way better than dbx for memory leak detection.
Cheers!
What about mobile CPUs that keeps changing frequency according to system load?
My guess is that the clock skew would change as well.
What about mobile CPUs that keeps changing frequency according to system load?
It's fine that you or your company don't like Solaris, but the fact that well over a half-million people downloaded Solaris 10 in three weeks says that it really isn't becoming extinct. It isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
Even I downloaded Solaris out of curiosity to see what all the hype is about and, like almost everybody else, I was disappointed.
Download numbers are not a very clever way to defend your ideas, mein freund. It's good to see Sun releasing Solaris as "quasi-free". It only proves that Linux is really, really disturbing Sun.
In my previous post, I told you about how Solaris is ancient. Hey, you don't need my word for it.
Cheers!
Eduardo.
Well, at least your feelings are clear.
by SunFan (845761)
So are yours.
For more information on what the CDDL offers, there's the FAQ at www.opensolaris.org and the link in my sig.
Thanks, I've already scrolled over all those marketing blurbs.
Also, OpenSolaris isn't just about freeloading off of OSS developers. Think about large Sun customers who would love to have access to the code for troubleshooting, for example, or about ISVs who develop software for Solaris.
Good for them. The problem is that those people are starting to become extinct. My company used to develop for Solaris... until we got involved with the wonderful world of Linux. Do we miss Solaris? No. Do we miss working with the "bright souls" from Sun? Noooo.
And Solaris 10 isn't ancient at all. In fact, no other vendor really offers anything close for the price, even IBM.
Oh, ok. If you say so. But, sorry mate, I don't see anything special in Solaris. DTrace? Fancy Jails? Mostly marketing blurb to me. Sorry.
I agree that "one size fits all" doesn't work. But with the plethora of licenses avaliable today, why create another one?
I mean, I'm a developer. It's horrible to scroll over all these "custom licenses" just to find out what's the catch. You mentioned Mozilla, Apache, OpenBSD, X.org... what does CDDL gives to Sun that those licenses doesn't? Or, better yet: What does CDDL gives us?
My opinion about Sun is the same that I have about opensource.apple.com (BTW, I like Apple a lot more than the scumbags at Sun): They only want to cut development costs "outsourcing" the development to the FOSS community.
Sun is free to do whatever they want with their ancient Unix. They can even pay SCO. I don't care. I will still recommend other better alternatives than Solaris. That is part of what freedom entails.
Hmm... typical Sun employee.
Sun would get my respect with they were using an standard license.
Until then... no thanks, I rather use the real free alternatives than to help Sun minimize development costs using the FOSS community.