I still program and run a few servers, even though it isn't my day job any more (I used to be a C Unix programmer). I'm trying to understand the benefit vs switching to a new paradigm, to try to use the word properly. It has a silver bullet smell to me. I hope this doesn't mean that Ubuntu will only be available with containers. Otherwise I'll likely have to make the switch to BSD.
To get away from 'vm' terms, we know there can be several app's that might need mysql. So this would act like an embedded mysql server for each app instead of one. Or say like Python virtualenv only different. It seems like it might allow different versions of stuff but it also occurs to me this could get confusing after a while. I guess it's something else to learn, but I can't really see what the benefit is yet. chroot still works for good security.
Then don't slag people for using Oracle products. If you can't answer a question, then shut the fuck up. I don't need to listen to assholes with nothing to say spouting some smart mouth remark instead of helping or passing on the question.
I don't know about containers. It is also why I mentioned databases and other servers. I happen to know a good deal about JVMs. So just because I used Java as PART of an example don't go all aspergers and fixate on it. If you can't answer the question about containers then shut up. I responded to another fucking goof for acting like an asshole and implying I had a problem because I used Java based tools. Having worked on several projects in the last 15 years that had budgets of close to a billion dollars each, I'm willing to bet I have as much or more experience around Java and Java EE as you or anyone else around here. I asked a question about containers using simple arbitrary parameters to see if anyone could explain how they work. Instead I got a fucking idiot slagging me for using Oracle products. If you don't like my response to that, then fuck you too.
Artifactory, Netbeans, Maven, Glassfish, and Java are open source or close enough for me. Are you suffering from self imposed ignorance or arrogance? Either way, you sound like an uninformed dick who is trying too hard to sound programmer hip. I thought you'd appreciate the insult since from your sig you seem to be into cocks. Whatever floats your boat.
So I have Artifactory and two versions of Glassfish on my dev box. But only one JVM. One JAVA_HOME. I also have Maven and Netbeans IDE using the same JAVA_HOME. Why would I want 4 different JVMs installed when one works just fine? And if there is a security flaw in Java and I need to upgrade, now I would need to download 1 update as opposed to 4 times that much (plus other crap like databases and other app code, assuming they want you to just download a whole new complete container whenever you upgrade). I understand the idea of encapsulation and how it can make things neater in one sense, but seems kind of crazy in another to use containers for everything on the server.
So that would mean then that you would need a far larger resource footprint. Say a single server with 4 domains could get by with say (just for round figures) 5 GB of RAM. From the sounds of it I would think you would require 5+ GB of RAM using containers because each container needs a minimum footprint before you add in the resources required by the application. Same for a database. I would guess that it would be significantly more than the original (significantly more than 5 GB), but I don't think it has a slope of 1. i.e. per my quite arbitrary example, I don't think you would then need 20 GBs but still more than 6 or 7 or 8. Any thoughts?
I haven't used Docker before. Does this mean if I have two (or more) servers running on a JVM, that each container will have its own JAVA_HOME? If so, wouldn't that make maintenance a nightmare? Similar for python (or other language) based services? Or items running a database? Each will have it's own MySQL or PostgreSQL instead of just adding another DB to an existing server? Or do the containers sit on top of traditional mode of installing these things?
I was thinking they were orchestrated by the American government in retaliation for wikileaks. The U.S. wants to prosecute Assange so bad I believe they will pull just about any move to get him. And this makes sense to try this way, to the U.S. via extradition from Sweden, since I don't think there is any other country where allegations so weak would ever result in a rape charge. Sweden is a country where political correctness has run amok. Sweden is to the golden rule what America is to capitalism: both good systems but FUBAR when taken to the extreme.
Or Microsoft could move that part of its operation entirely to Ireland and lay off all their American employees. Problem solved, no access from the U.S. needed except for people who use that use Azure from there. I'm sure congress will be behind that solution since they seem happy to have every other job offshored.
Sweden is trying hard to make a name for itself as a place high tech start ups should work. Sweden is a place that will allow them to be creative without fear of undo influence from multinationals or foreign influence. cough cough movie studios cough cough riaa cough cough Assange...
I agree, And to simplify this, testing doesn't prove or disprove the existence of bugs. If a bug is obtuse enough (like most security holes), there is a good chance it won't get tested even in day to day use. Most code over a few hundred lines gets sufficiently complex that it starts to take a real effort to do a code review. Couple that with the fact that one needs experience and/or training to read code and recognize security flaws; and most programs are thousands to tens of thousand of line long, or more. I think you will likely find that there are not very many people (or in this case none) who have the time nor inclination to review code for security flaws, regardless of whether the source code is available.
So for sure this ultimately makes open and closed source no better than the other in this regard. In fact I can make the argument that closed source might get more reviews since people are being actively paid to look at the code day in and day out. While in open source, people often won't look at code if it isn't the new shiny thing everyone is buzzing about. I'm not saying closed source vendors are willing to spend the time and money to reengineer the code to fix found security bugs, which might take considerable time and effort (unless they are really, really bad). Mainly because doing so impacts schedules and ultimately money. It's just that in closed source, people might actually know about it sooner than in open source. But in the end, if a security flaw isn't fixed in 25 years, what's the difference which paradigm it falls under? (That's rhetorical.)
They use trains to get the ore to port in Wisconsin in the first place. They could just as easily deliver it to a river port on the Illinois side as to Duluth. From what I understand, it is actually more of a barge canal, not one for ships. So any real ships would have to transfer there anyway, since there is no way a seven hundred foot ore carrier is going through the Chicago canal onto a river. And the great lakes are way to rough to pull barges meant for rivers.
This... anonymous or not, deserves upward moderation. The non-natural Chicago canal is where they will come from. If and when they come, the carp have the potential to destroy at a minimum a 7 billion dollar industry. Chicago says they need the waterway to allow iron ore shipments, but there other ways to ship the ore which needs to be delivered to wherever it is loaded onto boats in the first place. i.e. they can deliver it to the Illinois River instead of to the great lakes and then via the canal.
I worked at companies where this happened. I was lucky in that I worked on R&D code and didn't have to use the company's specialized constructs. Others who didn't have this luxury had hard times finding work when major projects finished because employers in the area knew these people didn't have readily transferable skills. It is the same policy of opening shops up in remote areas where they company is the only horse in a one horse town. If they leave, no one is employed so everyone has to eat the shit they are fed. And the latter is not limited to IT companies, it is used by many. It is why Walgrens and Walmart locate their shipping centres in the middle of nowhere. So that they have leverage over the employees.
This weekend I think I heard that they ar rreporting 7000 died so far. I think they owe it to everyone to tell us what they really think the number is. Otherwise what are we paying them so much for. We could hire monkeys if all we wanted was to report numbers from countries in "image damage control."
There are a lot of people who have realized that simply throwing money at problems in Africa doesn't help. Lately, a lot of them are African. People are recognizing that given one or the other, the "teach a man to fish" adage is the only effective way to help. The problem is that normally the money doesn't go where it will help the most. And from what I've seen NGOs don't always know the best places. If they did, there probably wouldn't be any more poverty there.
The writing recognition software on my 10.1 2014 tablet works better for me when I use cursive than printing. Mind you it has made me neaten up my writing, but even before I did, it got less wrong when I 'wrote' rather than printed.
My guess is you must not have liked finding out you were wrong. Imagine finding out that sapphire is actually a mineral. Where did you go to school, Under Rock High?
After the big bang and evolution big bombs the Pope just laid out this past summer/fall (he believes in them), I wonder what his take on this would be. Seeing as how this stupid woman used 'being a catholic' as an excuse to do it. There are some hints already that he thinks contraception is not necessarily a bad thing. Granted he didn't get all he wanted at this years synod, but he is a relatively young Pope and if he can avoid being poisoned, or some other "sickness" from schemers (I don't doubt they would resort to this in their still medieval world and power structure), I bet there is a good chance it will be revisited. He is also against using religious beliefs and the catholic church as a means to achieve political power; which from what I understand has pissed off a lot of Bishops and Cardinals who likely have profited from using this as a tool for their "success".
It's a freaking type of gemstone. It's blue... so when you see the blue gemstones on jewel encrusted whatevers, they'd be the sapphire ones. Have you been living under a rock? Yes, it can be made artificially and is very hard. It is why the best watch crystals are made of sapphire.
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I still program and run a few servers, even though it isn't my day job any more (I used to be a C Unix programmer). I'm trying to understand the benefit vs switching to a new paradigm, to try to use the word properly. It has a silver bullet smell to me. I hope this doesn't mean that Ubuntu will only be available with containers. Otherwise I'll likely have to make the switch to BSD.
To get away from 'vm' terms, we know there can be several app's that might need mysql. So this would act like an embedded mysql server for each app instead of one. Or say like Python virtualenv only different. It seems like it might allow different versions of stuff but it also occurs to me this could get confusing after a while. I guess it's something else to learn, but I can't really see what the benefit is yet. chroot still works for good security.
Then don't slag people for using Oracle products. If you can't answer a question, then shut the fuck up. I don't need to listen to assholes with nothing to say spouting some smart mouth remark instead of helping or passing on the question.
I don't know about containers. It is also why I mentioned databases and other servers. I happen to know a good deal about JVMs. So just because I used Java as PART of an example don't go all aspergers and fixate on it. If you can't answer the question about containers then shut up. I responded to another fucking goof for acting like an asshole and implying I had a problem because I used Java based tools. Having worked on several projects in the last 15 years that had budgets of close to a billion dollars each, I'm willing to bet I have as much or more experience around Java and Java EE as you or anyone else around here. I asked a question about containers using simple arbitrary parameters to see if anyone could explain how they work. Instead I got a fucking idiot slagging me for using Oracle products. If you don't like my response to that, then fuck you too.
Artifactory, Netbeans, Maven, Glassfish, and Java are open source or close enough for me. Are you suffering from self imposed ignorance or arrogance? Either way, you sound like an uninformed dick who is trying too hard to sound programmer hip. I thought you'd appreciate the insult since from your sig you seem to be into cocks. Whatever floats your boat.
So I have Artifactory and two versions of Glassfish on my dev box. But only one JVM. One JAVA_HOME. I also have Maven and Netbeans IDE using the same JAVA_HOME. Why would I want 4 different JVMs installed when one works just fine? And if there is a security flaw in Java and I need to upgrade, now I would need to download 1 update as opposed to 4 times that much (plus other crap like databases and other app code, assuming they want you to just download a whole new complete container whenever you upgrade). I understand the idea of encapsulation and how it can make things neater in one sense, but seems kind of crazy in another to use containers for everything on the server.
So that would mean then that you would need a far larger resource footprint. Say a single server with 4 domains could get by with say (just for round figures) 5 GB of RAM. From the sounds of it I would think you would require 5+ GB of RAM using containers because each container needs a minimum footprint before you add in the resources required by the application. Same for a database. I would guess that it would be significantly more than the original (significantly more than 5 GB), but I don't think it has a slope of 1. i.e. per my quite arbitrary example, I don't think you would then need 20 GBs but still more than 6 or 7 or 8. Any thoughts?
I haven't used Docker before. Does this mean if I have two (or more) servers running on a JVM, that each container will have its own JAVA_HOME? If so, wouldn't that make maintenance a nightmare? Similar for python (or other language) based services? Or items running a database? Each will have it's own MySQL or PostgreSQL instead of just adding another DB to an existing server? Or do the containers sit on top of traditional mode of installing these things?
I was thinking they were orchestrated by the American government in retaliation for wikileaks. The U.S. wants to prosecute Assange so bad I believe they will pull just about any move to get him. And this makes sense to try this way, to the U.S. via extradition from Sweden, since I don't think there is any other country where allegations so weak would ever result in a rape charge. Sweden is a country where political correctness has run amok. Sweden is to the golden rule what America is to capitalism: both good systems but FUBAR when taken to the extreme.
Or Microsoft could move that part of its operation entirely to Ireland and lay off all their American employees. Problem solved, no access from the U.S. needed except for people who use that use Azure from there. I'm sure congress will be behind that solution since they seem happy to have every other job offshored.
Sweden is trying hard to make a name for itself as a place high tech start ups should work. Sweden is a place that will allow them to be creative without fear of undo influence from multinationals or foreign influence. cough cough movie studios cough cough riaa cough cough Assange...
I agree, And to simplify this, testing doesn't prove or disprove the existence of bugs. If a bug is obtuse enough (like most security holes), there is a good chance it won't get tested even in day to day use. Most code over a few hundred lines gets sufficiently complex that it starts to take a real effort to do a code review. Couple that with the fact that one needs experience and/or training to read code and recognize security flaws; and most programs are thousands to tens of thousand of line long, or more. I think you will likely find that there are not very many people (or in this case none) who have the time nor inclination to review code for security flaws, regardless of whether the source code is available.
So for sure this ultimately makes open and closed source no better than the other in this regard. In fact I can make the argument that closed source might get more reviews since people are being actively paid to look at the code day in and day out. While in open source, people often won't look at code if it isn't the new shiny thing everyone is buzzing about. I'm not saying closed source vendors are willing to spend the time and money to reengineer the code to fix found security bugs, which might take considerable time and effort (unless they are really, really bad). Mainly because doing so impacts schedules and ultimately money. It's just that in closed source, people might actually know about it sooner than in open source. But in the end, if a security flaw isn't fixed in 25 years, what's the difference which paradigm it falls under? (That's rhetorical.)
More importantly, other people should be able to reproduce your results (within statistical significance) if they follow your same procedures.
They use trains to get the ore to port in Wisconsin in the first place. They could just as easily deliver it to a river port on the Illinois side as to Duluth. From what I understand, it is actually more of a barge canal, not one for ships. So any real ships would have to transfer there anyway, since there is no way a seven hundred foot ore carrier is going through the Chicago canal onto a river. And the great lakes are way to rough to pull barges meant for rivers.
This... anonymous or not, deserves upward moderation. The non-natural Chicago canal is where they will come from. If and when they come, the carp have the potential to destroy at a minimum a 7 billion dollar industry. Chicago says they need the waterway to allow iron ore shipments, but there other ways to ship the ore which needs to be delivered to wherever it is loaded onto boats in the first place. i.e. they can deliver it to the Illinois River instead of to the great lakes and then via the canal.
I worked at companies where this happened. I was lucky in that I worked on R&D code and didn't have to use the company's specialized constructs. Others who didn't have this luxury had hard times finding work when major projects finished because employers in the area knew these people didn't have readily transferable skills. It is the same policy of opening shops up in remote areas where they company is the only horse in a one horse town. If they leave, no one is employed so everyone has to eat the shit they are fed. And the latter is not limited to IT companies, it is used by many. It is why Walgrens and Walmart locate their shipping centres in the middle of nowhere. So that they have leverage over the employees.
This weekend I think I heard that they ar rreporting 7000 died so far. I think they owe it to everyone to tell us what they really think the number is. Otherwise what are we paying them so much for. We could hire monkeys if all we wanted was to report numbers from countries in "image damage control."
There are a lot of people who have realized that simply throwing money at problems in Africa doesn't help. Lately, a lot of them are African. People are recognizing that given one or the other, the "teach a man to fish" adage is the only effective way to help. The problem is that normally the money doesn't go where it will help the most. And from what I've seen NGOs don't always know the best places. If they did, there probably wouldn't be any more poverty there.
OK, name a few that have the same complexity as manufacturing and using graphene.
The writing recognition software on my 10.1 2014 tablet works better for me when I use cursive than printing. Mind you it has made me neaten up my writing, but even before I did, it got less wrong when I 'wrote' rather than printed.
My guess is you must not have liked finding out you were wrong. Imagine finding out that sapphire is actually a mineral. Where did you go to school, Under Rock High?
After the big bang and evolution big bombs the Pope just laid out this past summer/fall (he believes in them), I wonder what his take on this would be. Seeing as how this stupid woman used 'being a catholic' as an excuse to do it. There are some hints already that he thinks contraception is not necessarily a bad thing. Granted he didn't get all he wanted at this years synod, but he is a relatively young Pope and if he can avoid being poisoned, or some other "sickness" from schemers (I don't doubt they would resort to this in their still medieval world and power structure), I bet there is a good chance it will be revisited. He is also against using religious beliefs and the catholic church as a means to achieve political power; which from what I understand has pissed off a lot of Bishops and Cardinals who likely have profited from using this as a tool for their "success".
It's a freaking type of gemstone. It's blue... so when you see the blue gemstones on jewel encrusted whatevers, they'd be the sapphire ones. Have you been living under a rock? Yes, it can be made artificially and is very hard. It is why the best watch crystals are made of sapphire.
What's more, even if the seek time is very slow, once done it can go back in time so that it actually seems very, very fast.
And then we can slowly pull the cards out of the slots while the computer sings Bicycle Built For Two in ever slower verses.