Re:marketing expenses a little excessive?
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No, you're missing the point. Marketing for a small and / or growing business is always the biggest expense. You have to get your name out there, get noticed, get people calling you. Marketing, if its done halfway right, is an investment, not an expense. The only conern I would have about Vonage is if they have foolishly invested in branding before they are a brand name (Coca Cola et al.).
What, you think prison rapes are performed by genetically inclined homosexuals? So basically we could then link the "gay gene" to criminal behaviour... Right? So why don't you tell me which way makes it easier to be a bigot sparky. You think about that.
Because homosexuality exists in nature. There are gay dogs, for fuck's sake.
Tell me, coward, are you familiar with the term "dogpile"? That's what happens when a whole lot of dogs jump on a bitch at once, and try to fuck her. They can't all have their way, however, so the ones at the top of the pile fuck other male dogs instead. Because thats what they want to do, and it feels good. Sex feels good to molluscs, humans, and giraffes alike. This does not mean that they are genetically gay; they may in fact have a preference for same sex lovin'.
Oh, you mean animals aren't just bags of mindless instinct shambling around until a human eats them or rides them or pops them in a cage because they are pretty? The whole world isn't polarised into humans -> smart, animals -> time delayed cheeseburgers? Such condescension. You know what they say about arrogance and ignorance, don't you coward?
Do you think some 12 year old sissy boy who is taunted all his life for being a sissy **decides** to be gay?
Maybe he realises deep down that he is taunted because that is what they fear; they are afraid they might in fact be gay, genetically. Being in all probability more intelligent than those doing the taunting, he subconsciously chooses to become what his tormentors fear. Makes perfect sense to me, coward.
Have some sympathy for these people, they are literally strangers in a strange land. This is 100% genetic.
Stop spreading your hate speech, coward, you are out of your depth on this forum. Sympathy where sympathy is due, not where it is manufactured.
JUST LET THEM
I believe I already covered that, coward. Stop putting words in my mouth and lies into others minds.
Yes, you are absoloutely correct. I would take it a step farther though, and point out that there is a strong and vocal group within the gay community that espouses the idea that being gay is a genetic trait. There are many advantages to doing so, it allows gay rights communities a certain moral high ground (not that I am saying they have a low ground otherwise).
This does not, however, make it correct. Being interested in bondage, orgies, or whatever else floats your boat is no different than being interested in same sex relationships. I have zero problems with two or two hundred consenting adults doing whatever they want to with each other sexually, so long as its not within an abusive or controlling context (not the fun kind), but don't try to tell me its hardwired into them.
Saying that it is leads to all manner of ugly behaviour on both sides of the line. From gay propaganda posturing as an abused minority, seeking rights beyond those of other citizens and "discovering" new members (coming out, note the implication of freedom) which I view as another form of brainwashing, to the future tinpot dictators seeking to cleanse the gene pool by wiping out all individuals that practise same sex relations.
I look forward to the day when we can look back and laugh, and have sex with whoever we like (as long as they like us).
"People come to clinics complaining that their body is itching. Within three days small sores develop. A yellow spot then develops from each sore as it gets ripe. Once the sore is expressed a worm comes out of it."
I'm tired of seing these posts, so I'm going to slap a little reality check on here...
If I was MS, you know what I'd say to you? Fuck you. What are you going to do about it? Sue us? Hell, we sponsored half of the laws regulating the industry that we basically created, sue away to your hearts content. Class action lawsuit? Wooo, scary, heres lets say, hmm, a hundred million divided between our global customer base. The ones that haven't pirated our products. What will you do now? Blow up our software department? Fuh huh huuuck, you. We'll get the police, and if that doesn't give you pause, the army of the United States to deal with you then.
We are microsoft. We are untouchable and all powerful.
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I knew I might have to wait 5 years of more before they turned around. I also knew that when they did they would double or more (thank you, IPSCO).
Did you factor in inflation to your calculations on how much you earned? I know around here at least, house prices have doubled in the last five years, and thats usually a good indicator of inflation. Now I'm not saying that your money is worth half what it was five years ago, but inflation certainly takes the shine out of long term stock investments.
I always ask myself, is there any way that I can turn that money into more money in a given time period? Maybe you would be better to invest in small local businesses, where at least you have some control over the factors that define your investment value, as well as contributing to the well being of your local community...
The best link you can provide to your story about an earlier occurance is a link that tries to prove the story false?
Eh the guy has probably never been to south east asia. Theres weird shit hanging off every third coconut tree in some parts, winking at you. The filipinos probably saw something with tentacles rising up and flipping the boat, it just probably wasn't an octopus. Maybe it was a new species or something. There are places in this world where mankind has a much less secure foothold than we like to believe....
Theres just about nothing I can think of to reach your level. I might try banging my head off a wall for a few hours. And I have that pain behind my left eye that I get when I talk to someone like you; it means I just got stupider. Let us know when you hit puberty, ha.
I see you have yet to grasp the subtleties of public relations. Unlike the not-evil people at google, I might add. I wish your post had some redeeming qualities.
Ah, I read all this with a certain sense of amusement. Its their own fault for putting the bar too high for themselves... Don't be evil, where evil is something that is determined on a personal level. PR is great till it bites you in the ass, eh? To be honest, I don't blame google for what they are doing. Its far better to be inside and able to leverage that position than to be locked out while your competitors grow fat on the leftovers.
But seriously, if I was google I would have turned that weakness into a strength. I would have set up a chinese google, entirely uncensored, with instructions on how to circumvent the great firewall. And I would be laughing while I was doing it. Because the writing is on the wall for the tinpot dictators in China. Already the worm is turning. The key words to note in that article is that vietnamese workers are already cheaper than chinese workers. They haven't got long, and google will be around far longer than the PRC in its current form.
Yes, I know business partners invested up to their necks in china would put pressure on google in that case, but google can just say, whoops, don't like it, hop on out of our search engine then. Vox populi, baby. Looks like they dropped the ball on this one.
Honestly, the whole wine tasting industry is mostly snake oil anyway. I can't find the link, but sone researchers did a "pepsi challenge" type of test with a group of experienced wine tasters. The result? No two wine tasters reported the same taste, body, or whatever from the same wines. Their repsonses were, in fact, wildly dissimilar.
Bring back the good old days, when wine had the same social status as lager, thats what I say!
I guess if the measure of "winning" or "losing" is decided by you every time, the other person will always lose.
Actually when someone brings up an intelligent point that isn't just karma whoring, I will respond or accept this point. Several posters have brought up such points; you were not one of them. Your sally into the land of easy thinking and easy karma got a lash across the back, and for good reason, to avoid degenerating the discussion. That the rest of the juveniles and rednecks didn't get it bothers me not a whit. Enough people did get it that my faith in slashdot remains intact. That you feel you have some sort of massed moral support likewise doesn't bother me. Not the idea that you have it or don't have it, massed anything doesn't bother me.
all of this mis-directed anger your expressing shows me that you know that already.
Eh don't flatter yourself "dude". If I was angry I wouldn't bother posting. I'm sitting here laughing my ass off, as a matter of fact. Besides you seem to be the one thats getting all worked up. Relax, take a walk, slip back into the pattern. Life is easier there. I mean, its only slashdot after all.
Calm down? Yikes, its bad when a foe is offering you sensible advice for your own good.:D
Truth be told, I'm sitting here laughing my ass off.
I'll give you a snippet of another post I made there...
And moderation on slashdot, hmmm, lets see I was once in a discussion with a clown that did exactly what you did, as in try to bring the debate to well trodden turf where the karma is easy and the thinking is even easier, and kept doing it. I faithfully tried to keep the discussion on track, comment after comment he got modded highly. It was only a week later I looked at his journal, where there it was written, large as life, "I need to post easy to agree with comments so I can get excellent karma". He even left me a thank-you note in there. So while I am not calling you a karma whore whose sole purpose was to increase the static-to-noise ratio by promoting groupthink, I thought I'd nip it in the bud anyway.
So if you're concerned about the opinions of juveniles and rednecks, and the moderations they make, this is the place for you. If you are afraid of an unpopular (but nonetheless plausible) opinion, vigorously defended, don't try to respond to one of my posts, because you will come out second best.
Who cares how you felt... I mean seriously, as far as I am concerned you tried to distract the argument, and you lost, badly.
That I apparently threaten the sacred cow of slashdot (although my post was not, in fact, putting google down) has brought a rain of abusive comments by the truly insecure among us. Oh noes, teh googs is teh GOD!1 The number of ACs hopping into this thread for pot shots is unreal.
And moderation on slashdot, hmmm, lets see I was once in a discussion with a clown that did exactly what you did, and kept doing it. I faithfully tried to keep the discussion on track, comment after comment he got modded highly. It was only a week later I looked at his journal, where there it was written, large as life, "I need to post easy to agree with comments so I can get excellent karma". He even left me a thank-you note in there. So while I am not calling you a karma whore whose sole purpose was to increase the static-to-noise ratio by promoting groupthink, I thought I'd nip it in the bud anyway.
So if you're concerned about the opinions of juveniles and rednecks, and the moderations they make, this is the place for you. If you are afraid of an unpopular (but nonetheless plausible) opinion, vigorously defended, don't try to respond to one of my posts, because you will come out second best.
Yeah, I caught that too. Hmmm a bridge... That's something you cross to get to your real goal, isn't it... You'd think they would pick their wording a little better. I mean a little effort to disguise what they're doing, just to be professional. Damn I am fed to my back teeth with these money grubbing bastards.
Changing the subject completely to logical fallicies is worse than a logical fallacy.
A new godwins? Right. Its a legitimate response to arguments which consist entirely of said logical fallacies.
Your personalizing things too much.
Responding to a personal attack with a post pointing out that it was a personal attack? Suggestion is much the same as accusation in these circles.
The question about capitalism wanting "nice" companies was a completely new point in the converstaion.
Nope, it was well trodden ground repeatedly discussed on slashdot ad naueseum dealing with a fairly poorly defined concept in its own right (capitalism, which like socialism, means different things to different people) drawing away from the new point I was trying to make.
Trite remarks like "Thanks for playing..." and "...is like scientology.." are condescending, add no value to the conversation and practice the same logical fallacies you are poorly trying to explain.
It is like scientology, judging by some of the responses I have received. Oh and as for being condescending, what about the insinuation that I thought moral companies were somehow bad, indicated nowhere in my post? Besides, this is slashdot. Its considered bad form to post without insulting someone. You tit.
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No, you're missing the point. Marketing for a small and / or growing business is always the biggest expense. You have to get your name out there, get noticed, get people calling you. Marketing, if its done halfway right, is an investment, not an expense. The only conern I would have about Vonage is if they have foolishly invested in branding before they are a brand name (Coca Cola et al.).
then that must mean you could be gay too?
What, you think prison rapes are performed by genetically inclined homosexuals? So basically we could then link the "gay gene" to criminal behaviour... Right? So why don't you tell me which way makes it easier to be a bigot sparky. You think about that.
Ah the wonders of logical deduction.
Because homosexuality exists in nature. There are gay dogs, for fuck's sake.
Tell me, coward, are you familiar with the term "dogpile"? That's what happens when a whole lot of dogs jump on a bitch at once, and try to fuck her. They can't all have their way, however, so the ones at the top of the pile fuck other male dogs instead. Because thats what they want to do, and it feels good. Sex feels good to molluscs, humans, and giraffes alike. This does not mean that they are genetically gay; they may in fact have a preference for same sex lovin'.
Oh, you mean animals aren't just bags of mindless instinct shambling around until a human eats them or rides them or pops them in a cage because they are pretty? The whole world isn't polarised into humans -> smart, animals -> time delayed cheeseburgers? Such condescension. You know what they say about arrogance and ignorance, don't you coward?
Do you think some 12 year old sissy boy who is taunted all his life for being a sissy **decides** to be gay?
Maybe he realises deep down that he is taunted because that is what they fear; they are afraid they might in fact be gay, genetically. Being in all probability more intelligent than those doing the taunting, he subconsciously chooses to become what his tormentors fear. Makes perfect sense to me, coward.
Have some sympathy for these people, they are literally strangers in a strange land. This is 100% genetic.
Stop spreading your hate speech, coward, you are out of your depth on this forum. Sympathy where sympathy is due, not where it is manufactured.
JUST LET THEM
I believe I already covered that, coward. Stop putting words in my mouth and lies into others minds.
Yes, you are absoloutely correct. I would take it a step farther though, and point out that there is a strong and vocal group within the gay community that espouses the idea that being gay is a genetic trait. There are many advantages to doing so, it allows gay rights communities a certain moral high ground (not that I am saying they have a low ground otherwise).
This does not, however, make it correct. Being interested in bondage, orgies, or whatever else floats your boat is no different than being interested in same sex relationships. I have zero problems with two or two hundred consenting adults doing whatever they want to with each other sexually, so long as its not within an abusive or controlling context (not the fun kind), but don't try to tell me its hardwired into them.
Saying that it is leads to all manner of ugly behaviour on both sides of the line. From gay propaganda posturing as an abused minority, seeking rights beyond those of other citizens and "discovering" new members (coming out, note the implication of freedom) which I view as another form of brainwashing, to the future tinpot dictators seeking to cleanse the gene pool by wiping out all individuals that practise same sex relations.
I look forward to the day when we can look back and laugh, and have sex with whoever we like (as long as they like us).
Hahah, ah its a weird place. They stop fighting and pose for you if you have a camera. Still, I wouldn't go back there with anyone I cared about.
Google is saying that they want to be fair to their customers (you and me).
Their customers are advertisers. Their product is you and me.
And they have fans.
You'd think they'd just open a window...
I'll get my coat...
Take a look at this skinworm infecting people in Mafikeng. FTFA:
"People come to clinics complaining that their body is itching. Within three days small sores develop. A yellow spot then develops from each sore as it gets ripe. Once the sore is expressed a worm comes out of it."
Ripe sores. Now thats entertainment.
I'm tired of seing these posts, so I'm going to slap a little reality check on here...
If I was MS, you know what I'd say to you? Fuck you. What are you going to do about it? Sue us? Hell, we sponsored half of the laws regulating the industry that we basically created, sue away to your hearts content. Class action lawsuit? Wooo, scary, heres lets say, hmm, a hundred million divided between our global customer base. The ones that haven't pirated our products. What will you do now? Blow up our software department? Fuh huh huuuck, you. We'll get the police, and if that doesn't give you pause, the army of the United States to deal with you then.
We are microsoft. We are untouchable and all powerful.
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I knew I might have to wait 5 years of more before they turned around. I also knew that when they did they would double or more (thank you, IPSCO).
Did you factor in inflation to your calculations on how much you earned? I know around here at least, house prices have doubled in the last five years, and thats usually a good indicator of inflation. Now I'm not saying that your money is worth half what it was five years ago, but inflation certainly takes the shine out of long term stock investments.
I always ask myself, is there any way that I can turn that money into more money in a given time period? Maybe you would be better to invest in small local businesses, where at least you have some control over the factors that define your investment value, as well as contributing to the well being of your local community...
On the facts above, it's sheer hubris to claim that anything that we do now can damage the planet in the short, medium or even long term.
Its not how much power you have, its how you focus it. A second with a laser in your eye will hurt more than a decade of exposure to sunlight.
Your raving makes no sense.
:D
You must be new here.
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Woah maybe not. Can I have your UID when the oceans rise up and swallow us?
The best link you can provide to your story about an earlier occurance is a link that tries to prove the story false?
Eh the guy has probably never been to south east asia. Theres weird shit hanging off every third coconut tree in some parts, winking at you. The filipinos probably saw something with tentacles rising up and flipping the boat, it just probably wasn't an octopus. Maybe it was a new species or something. There are places in this world where mankind has a much less secure foothold than we like to believe....
Theres just about nothing I can think of to reach your level. I might try banging my head off a wall for a few hours. And I have that pain behind my left eye that I get when I talk to someone like you; it means I just got stupider. Let us know when you hit puberty, ha.
I see you have yet to grasp the subtleties of public relations. Unlike the not-evil people at google, I might add. I wish your post had some redeeming qualities.
Ah, I read all this with a certain sense of amusement. Its their own fault for putting the bar too high for themselves... Don't be evil, where evil is something that is determined on a personal level. PR is great till it bites you in the ass, eh? To be honest, I don't blame google for what they are doing. Its far better to be inside and able to leverage that position than to be locked out while your competitors grow fat on the leftovers.
But seriously, if I was google I would have turned that weakness into a strength. I would have set up a chinese google, entirely uncensored, with instructions on how to circumvent the great firewall. And I would be laughing while I was doing it. Because the writing is on the wall for the tinpot dictators in China. Already the worm is turning. The key words to note in that article is that vietnamese workers are already cheaper than chinese workers. They haven't got long, and google will be around far longer than the PRC in its current form.
Yes, I know business partners invested up to their necks in china would put pressure on google in that case, but google can just say, whoops, don't like it, hop on out of our search engine then. Vox populi, baby. Looks like they dropped the ball on this one.
Honestly, the whole wine tasting industry is mostly snake oil anyway. I can't find the link, but sone researchers did a "pepsi challenge" type of test with a group of experienced wine tasters. The result? No two wine tasters reported the same taste, body, or whatever from the same wines. Their repsonses were, in fact, wildly dissimilar.
Bring back the good old days, when wine had the same social status as lager, thats what I say!
I guess if the measure of "winning" or "losing" is decided by you every time, the other person will always lose.
Actually when someone brings up an intelligent point that isn't just karma whoring, I will respond or accept this point. Several posters have brought up such points; you were not one of them. Your sally into the land of easy thinking and easy karma got a lash across the back, and for good reason, to avoid degenerating the discussion. That the rest of the juveniles and rednecks didn't get it bothers me not a whit. Enough people did get it that my faith in slashdot remains intact. That you feel you have some sort of massed moral support likewise doesn't bother me. Not the idea that you have it or don't have it, massed anything doesn't bother me.
all of this mis-directed anger your expressing shows me that you know that already.
Eh don't flatter yourself "dude". If I was angry I wouldn't bother posting. I'm sitting here laughing my ass off, as a matter of fact. Besides you seem to be the one thats getting all worked up. Relax, take a walk, slip back into the pattern. Life is easier there. I mean, its only slashdot after all.
Calm down? Yikes, its bad when a foe is offering you sensible advice for your own good. :D
Truth be told, I'm sitting here laughing my ass off.
I'll give you a snippet of another post I made there...
And moderation on slashdot, hmmm, lets see I was once in a discussion with a clown that did exactly what you did, as in try to bring the debate to well trodden turf where the karma is easy and the thinking is even easier, and kept doing it. I faithfully tried to keep the discussion on track, comment after comment he got modded highly. It was only a week later I looked at his journal, where there it was written, large as life, "I need to post easy to agree with comments so I can get excellent karma". He even left me a thank-you note in there. So while I am not calling you a karma whore whose sole purpose was to increase the static-to-noise ratio by promoting groupthink, I thought I'd nip it in the bud anyway.
So if you're concerned about the opinions of juveniles and rednecks, and the moderations they make, this is the place for you. If you are afraid of an unpopular (but nonetheless plausible) opinion, vigorously defended, don't try to respond to one of my posts, because you will come out second best.
Who cares how you felt... I mean seriously, as far as I am concerned you tried to distract the argument, and you lost, badly.
That I apparently threaten the sacred cow of slashdot (although my post was not, in fact, putting google down) has brought a rain of abusive comments by the truly insecure among us. Oh noes, teh googs is teh GOD!1 The number of ACs hopping into this thread for pot shots is unreal.
And moderation on slashdot, hmmm, lets see I was once in a discussion with a clown that did exactly what you did, and kept doing it. I faithfully tried to keep the discussion on track, comment after comment he got modded highly. It was only a week later I looked at his journal, where there it was written, large as life, "I need to post easy to agree with comments so I can get excellent karma". He even left me a thank-you note in there. So while I am not calling you a karma whore whose sole purpose was to increase the static-to-noise ratio by promoting groupthink, I thought I'd nip it in the bud anyway.
So if you're concerned about the opinions of juveniles and rednecks, and the moderations they make, this is the place for you. If you are afraid of an unpopular (but nonetheless plausible) opinion, vigorously defended, don't try to respond to one of my posts, because you will come out second best.
Sadder and sadder...
Yeah, I caught that too. Hmmm a bridge... That's something you cross to get to your real goal, isn't it... You'd think they would pick their wording a little better. I mean a little effort to disguise what they're doing, just to be professional. Damn I am fed to my back teeth with these money grubbing bastards.
Perhaps you should start by understanding the argument (subtext and all) before sharing your undergrad comprehensions with us.
Changing the subject completely to logical fallicies is worse than a logical fallacy.
A new godwins? Right. Its a legitimate response to arguments which consist entirely of said logical fallacies.
Your personalizing things too much.
Responding to a personal attack with a post pointing out that it was a personal attack? Suggestion is much the same as accusation in these circles.
The question about capitalism wanting "nice" companies was a completely new point in the converstaion.
Nope, it was well trodden ground repeatedly discussed on slashdot ad naueseum dealing with a fairly poorly defined concept in its own right (capitalism, which like socialism, means different things to different people) drawing away from the new point I was trying to make.
Trite remarks like "Thanks for playing..." and "...is like scientology.." are condescending, add no value to the conversation and practice the same logical fallacies you are poorly trying to explain.
It is like scientology, judging by some of the responses I have received. Oh and as for being condescending, what about the insinuation that I thought moral companies were somehow bad, indicated nowhere in my post? Besides, this is slashdot. Its considered bad form to post without insulting someone. You tit.
You seem to be labouring under the impression that someone gives a crap what you think.