Lemme see here. Windows 95 is 11 years old. Windows 98 is 8 years old. Windows ME is 6 years old. And Windows NT4 is 9 years old. How many other operating systems offer patches and support product versions for software that is that old?
So whats your point. GDI32 is a function/property of the WIN32 subsystem. According to Microsoft, Win32 programs will run regardless of the Windows kernel version (9x/NT). So yes, Microsoft needs to release a Win32 patch for 9x based systems.
There was this pervasive belief that Linux could run on older PCs and that Windows could not, he said, adding that Microsoft thus decided to test this premise by installing Red Hat Enterprise Linux, SUSE Pro 9.2, Mandrake 10, Linspire 4.5, Xandros Desktop 3.0, Fedora Core 3, Slackware 10.1, Knoppix 3.7; Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 out-of-the-box on older hardware to see what happened.
Suse 9.2 runs on my Dell P150 96Meg Ram just fine. Microsoft Windows doesn't even pick up on the NeoMagic video chipset.
"But the average customer is not a technical expert or a Linux developer, so they do not have the skill, or more importantly, the business need, to modify the operating system this way. You could argue that this is why Red Hat and Novell SUSE exist--to provide pre-configured and tested stacks of open-source software so their customers don't need to modify their systems at that level. That's the value proposition of these companies," he said.
The average consumer would save shitloads of money if they understand that Microsoft isn't in charge of their computer.
Whatever. I converted one Microsoft user to Ubuntu this week and they are Happy.
But the facts are that the original design was made pre-Win3.0, long before the rise of the internet as we know it today. It's not surprising that the design flaw arose in that environment, and the design was used to deal with the hodge-podge of various printer behaviors from those days. And I don't particularly blame the actual handful of Wine devs that implemented the "whole API" and therefore inherited this design flaw. Are you being smug or are you trolling on purpose? There was no pre-Win3.0 gdi32.dll. There was no hodge-podge of printer support. They all printed to LPT1 with thier own escape-codes that the software developers implemented. I print to my year old Samsung laser using my twenty year old AppleWorks. You do know that WINE can use its own built-in DLLs or Win32 native DLLs, don't you? I can switch Wine to use the Gdi32.dll that Microsoft just provided for free.
This flaw was staring the OSS community right in the face for all this time, yet the OSS community failed to find it.
I don't think the Wine Developers are looking for flaws. Most of us use Wine to play Windows Games. In what aspect is my WINE/Linux environment compromised by this Microsoft flaw? There is no kernel to infect. Are the rootkit trojans going to infect my Starcraft session and turn the Zerg into lemmings? Are you mentally challedged?
We appreciate that you like Windows, stay there. When your ready to switch to a environment that doesn't believe that you owe a fee every three years and that you own your own stuff, let us know.
I don't think Google is as big a threat as people think it is.
Then you don't understand the paranoia of Microsoft. To MSFT it is inconceivable that the general public sees any other company besides Microsoft as a computing company. They have worked hard for Fifteen years to be a better well-known brand than IBM. So here comes Google and it a has better brand name recognition than Microsoft right now.
So yes, while you are correct about the financial competition, Microsoft views Google as a serious threat to the Microsoft (TM) brand Name.
He meant the software industry as a whole. He is a smart guy, and an former NASA software developer. But he has been brainwashed by Microsoft, and is not questioning the order to use C# for our realtime embedded system.
Grab some benchmark sources from here in http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/. Run the C#/Mono code under the.Net runtime (Microsoft won't allow published benchmarks). Compare the test results against Java/C++ etc.
Show your boss the tests and he may change his mind, our PHB did.
This isn't a Unix vs Windows issue. I feel for the admins coming back to work on Monday. I raise a toast in your honor. Drink well and drink much on Saturday Night for your next 90 days are going to be hell.
For those about to work long hours, I salute you. Bottoms up.
Any programming language that implements bounds checking should be immune to buffer overflows. C is not one of those languages, Java is.
Any programmer who writes assembler/C/C++ must implement bounds checking. Its called competence. Are you saying that some programmers don't? Then why are they paid programmers? Oh, were supposed to make programming easier for people who don't understand computers. Fine. Those people should stick to safe programming and never toggle their sound/network/scsi/etc. card bits themselves. Heaven forbid if they talk to the hardware directly and do something unique.
On the other hand, I guess that the java_vm, python and.net interpreters are all crap. All are written/compiled using C/C++. Either your a responsible programmer or you need to find a new profession.
The real lesson is of course that once again mr buffer overflow strikes (don't implement anything in C if it needs to be secure). This time it's on windows.
This isn't a buffer overflow, its a design flaw that allows metafiles to register callbacks with GDI32. And I fail to see what language a programmer uses has anything to do with it. Bad programmers are bad programmers reguardless of the language used. To the CPU its all instructions, it doesn't care if its issued by the crt or the java_vm.
Also, whose arse did you pull that "exclusive agreements" comment from? Way to go with the FUD without backing it up. MS makes exclusive agreements constantly, it's a part of day to day business.
Do you normally flame people without reading the links that they provide or are you just mentally deficient? Thats ok, let me paste it for you...
Ban on Exclusive Agreements- Microsoft will be prohibited from entering into agreements requiring the exclusive support or development of certain Microsoft software. This will allow software developers and computer manufacturers to contract with Microsoft and still support and develop rival middleware products. FUD What?
As far as the rest of your post, this isn't Microsoft choosing one format over another. Its Microsoft using discounts to bribe manufacturers into choosing what Mircosoft wants. As a consumer, I want whatever I choose to pick, not what Microsoft gives me.
They are giving incentives to HD-DVD over BlueRay, not banning BlueRay development. There is a difference between incentives and Microsoft saying no.
Maybe. The million dollar question is, do you as a hardware manufacturer, still get the incentive/discount if you support both formats? If not then it appears to me they are using thier monopoly power to manipulate other markets.
The settlement reached today accomplishes this by:
* creating the opportunity for independent software vendors to develop products that will be competitive with Microsoft's middleware products on a function-by-function basis;
* giving computer manufacturers the flexibility to contract with competing software developers and place their middleware products on Microsoft's operating system;
* preventing retaliation against computer manufacturers, software developers, and other industry participants who choose to develop or use competing middleware products; and
* ensuring full compliance with the proposed Final Judgment and providing for swift resolution of technical disputes.
Microsoft seems to be in violation of resolution two. They are also prohibited from entering exclusive agreements.
When the 6502 was a hot processor, Woz was a pretty fair hack electrical engineer. Running the video off the CPU was a cute trick. But he hasn't had anything relevant to say about computers in a very long, long time.
Moderators, parent post is not a troll, just an opinion a person is entitled too.
Ubuntu is installed on my eleven year old's box (dual-boot Win98) and he loves it. Its easy enough that his nine year old brother gets on and plays bzflag, heroes, neverputt and even uses mozilla to play games at nick.com. The eleven year old uses OpenOffice, Blender, Stellarium, Scribus, and Inkscape. He cranks out his mp3's and shoutcast using xmms.
The mechanism of the tropical storm system was worked out by the Japanese meteorologist K.V.Ooyama in 1964. His great fame apparently hasn't reached you, alas.
You didn't read/understand my post. Ooyama is great, but he hasn't discovered how heat transfers to a hurricane.
"How heat is transferred from the ocean's surface into the air is a fundamental question, and understanding the mechanisms of heat transfer will help us make better models of hurricane formation, including models of how they grow in intensity," he says.
The dramatic finding comes from a study of ocean circulation in the North Atlantic, which found a 30% reduction in the warm currents that carry water north from the Gulf Stream.""
Hurricanes == Earth oceans heat dissapation system (Determine the heat transfer method and you will be famous).
2005 == 16+ storms in the Atlantic which sucked up some heat (alot). The Atlantic, as a result may be cooler (Yes I view the heat imaging satallite pictures), which is natures whole goal of having hurricanes. Suck some heat.
Is it natural? Yes/No/Maybe. I don't know, but during the 70's it snowed here in Florida. Am I speculating? Yes, but don't worry about it, I've only had eight beers tonight. Am I an expert? No, but I do know that France might surrender because of this, I just don't know to whom:)
Chill (pun intended), its a great planet. It was here before Humans, it will be here long after were gone.
Yes, Office... Microsoft was the first to bundle everything for the Windows desktop and create a single "application".
Nope, Appleworks. Even had a GUI version (cut/copy/paste between different applications) called AppleWorks GS. Long before MS Office.
Before office, Microsoft sold a DOS version of Works which was semi-integrated. Could cut and paste between the integrated components. PFS WindowsWorks might have beaten Office integration, it came with my IBM 386/PS1 running Windows 3.1. This was at the time Microsoft was still selling Excel/Word separate on 5.1/4 floppys.
1. apply security and recommended patches on a simulated monthly release basis; Is there anything out there equivalent to windows update? Windows wins this one
to summarize, I'll repeat my other post - I can belive that setting up a linux sever can take longer time than setting up a windows server doing the same.
If we were talking about setting up a slackware, gentoo, or debian linux severs I'd agree with you, but this topic is about SuSE. In our lab, we have RedHat, SuSE 8/9, Windows NT/2000/2003, AIX 4/5, and SCO servers. The SuSE Yast program beats them all at setting up server services. Oracle setup on the other hand sucks on any platform:)
Maybe you had changed it manually beforehand so nvidia-glx-config wouldn't touch it, much like dpkg-reconfigure on all Debian systems will ignore hand-modified files on the theory that if you made personal changes you don't want a configurator writing over them. Your right. I followed the nvida instructions in the Ubuntu forums. The problem was I didn't see that the update was only for newer nVidia cards, not the legacy ones. So obviously I compounded the problem by installing the legacy driver without un-installing the newer ones.
Part of the problem is that I'm not that familiar with apt-get yet. I've been using Linux now since '95 and I've never used an apt-get based system:)
I updated a SuSE8.2 Workstation (same core as SLES8) to SuSE9.0 with no major issues. I clicked on the Yast -> System -> Software Update after inserting the 9.0 CD1. This method is not addressed at all in the research paper.
In appendix 5, the table of companies consulted is listed, but not the contacts. I would like the names of the people contacted for this research paper that work for NASA, the FAA, the FTC, the USAF, the DoC and the DoJ. The FOIA gives me the right to query what was actually contributed from the US Government towards this research paper.
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Lemme see here. Windows 95 is 11 years old. Windows 98 is 8 years old. Windows ME is 6 years old. And Windows NT4 is 9 years old. How many other operating systems offer patches and support product versions for software that is that old?
So whats your point. GDI32 is a function/property of the WIN32 subsystem. According to Microsoft, Win32 programs will run regardless of the Windows kernel version (9x/NT). So yes, Microsoft needs to release a Win32 patch for 9x based systems.
Enjoy,
There was this pervasive belief that Linux could run on older PCs and that Windows could not, he said, adding that Microsoft thus decided to test this premise by installing Red Hat Enterprise Linux, SUSE Pro 9.2, Mandrake 10, Linspire 4.5, Xandros Desktop 3.0, Fedora Core 3, Slackware 10.1, Knoppix 3.7; Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 out-of-the-box on older hardware to see what happened.
Suse 9.2 runs on my Dell P150 96Meg Ram just fine. Microsoft Windows doesn't even pick up on the NeoMagic video chipset.
"But the average customer is not a technical expert or a Linux developer, so they do not have the skill, or more importantly, the business need, to modify the operating system this way. You could argue that this is why Red Hat and Novell SUSE exist--to provide pre-configured and tested stacks of open-source software so their customers don't need to modify their systems at that level. That's the value proposition of these companies," he said.
The average consumer would save shitloads of money if they understand that Microsoft isn't in charge of their computer.
Whatever. I converted one Microsoft user to Ubuntu this week and they are Happy.
Enjoy.
But the facts are that the original design was made pre-Win3.0, long before the rise of the internet as we know it today. It's not surprising that the design flaw arose in that environment, and the design was used to deal with the hodge-podge of various printer behaviors from those days. And I don't particularly blame the actual handful of Wine devs that implemented the "whole API" and therefore inherited this design flaw.
Are you being smug or are you trolling on purpose? There was no pre-Win3.0 gdi32.dll. There was no hodge-podge of printer support. They all printed to LPT1 with thier own escape-codes that the software developers implemented. I print to my year old Samsung laser using my twenty year old AppleWorks. You do know that WINE can use its own built-in DLLs or Win32 native DLLs, don't you? I can switch Wine to use the Gdi32.dll that Microsoft just provided for free.
This flaw was staring the OSS community right in the face for all this time, yet the OSS community failed to find it.
I don't think the Wine Developers are looking for flaws. Most of us use Wine to play Windows Games. In what aspect is my WINE/Linux environment compromised by this Microsoft flaw? There is no kernel to infect. Are the rootkit trojans going to infect my Starcraft session and turn the Zerg into lemmings? Are you mentally challedged?
We appreciate that you like Windows, stay there. When your ready to switch to a environment that doesn't believe that you owe a fee every three years and that you own your own stuff, let us know.
Enjoy.
Sounds like homeland security needs to get handle on these pesky refreshers. They could damage the internet.
Enjoy.
I don't think Google is as big a threat as people think it is.
Then you don't understand the paranoia of Microsoft. To MSFT it is inconceivable that the general public sees any other company besides Microsoft as a computing company. They have worked hard for Fifteen years to be a better well-known brand than IBM. So here comes Google and it a has better brand name recognition than Microsoft right now.
So yes, while you are correct about the financial competition, Microsoft views Google as a serious threat to the Microsoft (TM) brand Name.
Enjoy,
He meant the software industry as a whole. He is a smart guy, and an former NASA software developer. But he has been brainwashed by Microsoft, and is not questioning the order to use C# for our realtime embedded system.
.Net runtime (Microsoft won't allow published benchmarks). Compare the test results against Java/C++ etc.
Grab some benchmark sources from here in http://shootout.alioth.debian.org/. Run the C#/Mono code under the
Show your boss the tests and he may change his mind, our PHB did.
Enjoy.
This isn't a Unix vs Windows issue. I feel for the admins coming back to work on Monday. I raise a toast in your honor. Drink well and drink much on Saturday Night for your next 90 days are going to be hell.
For those about to work long hours, I salute you.
Bottoms up.
Enjoy.
Any programming language that implements bounds checking should be immune to buffer overflows. C is not one of those languages, Java is.
.net interpreters are all crap. All are written/compiled using C/C++. Either your a responsible programmer or you need to find a new profession.
Any programmer who writes assembler/C/C++ must implement bounds checking. Its called competence. Are you saying that some programmers don't? Then why are they paid programmers? Oh, were supposed to make programming easier for people who don't understand computers. Fine. Those people should stick to safe programming and never toggle their sound/network/scsi/etc. card bits themselves. Heaven forbid if they talk to the hardware directly and do something unique.
On the other hand, I guess that the java_vm, python and
Enjoy.
The real lesson is of course that once again mr buffer overflow strikes (don't implement anything in C if it needs to be secure). This time it's on windows.
This isn't a buffer overflow, its a design flaw that allows metafiles to register callbacks with GDI32. And I fail to see what language a programmer uses has anything to do with it. Bad programmers are bad programmers reguardless of the language used. To the CPU its all instructions, it doesn't care if its issued by the crt or the java_vm.
Enjoy,
Actually, until you bring in the hardened Linux stuff, Windows actually has *better* default security capabilities than Linux.
Eh? A challenge then.
You put your unpatched XP on the internet and I will attached my unpatched SuSE 9. The fist one pawned wins. Let the games begin.
Enjoy,
Also, whose arse did you pull that "exclusive agreements" comment from? Way to go with the FUD without backing it up. MS makes exclusive agreements constantly, it's a part of day to day business.
Do you normally flame people without reading the links that they provide or are you just mentally deficient? Thats ok, let me paste it for you...
Ban on Exclusive Agreements- Microsoft will be prohibited from entering into agreements requiring the exclusive support or development of certain Microsoft software. This will allow software developers and computer manufacturers to contract with Microsoft and still support and develop rival middleware products.
FUD What?
As far as the rest of your post, this isn't Microsoft choosing one format over another. Its Microsoft using discounts to bribe manufacturers into choosing what Mircosoft wants. As a consumer, I want whatever I choose to pick, not what Microsoft gives me.
Enjoy,
They are giving incentives to HD-DVD over BlueRay, not banning BlueRay development. There is a difference between incentives and Microsoft saying no.
Maybe. The million dollar question is, do you as a hardware manufacturer, still get the incentive/discount if you support both formats? If not then it appears to me they are using thier monopoly power to manipulate other markets.
Food for thought,
Enjoy.
IANAL but from the article here http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2001/November/01_at_56 9.htm
The settlement reached today accomplishes this by:
* creating the opportunity for independent software vendors to develop products that will be competitive with Microsoft's middleware products on a function-by-function basis;
* giving computer manufacturers the flexibility to contract with competing software developers and place their middleware products on Microsoft's operating system;
* preventing retaliation against computer manufacturers, software developers, and other industry participants who choose to develop or use competing middleware products; and
* ensuring full compliance with the proposed Final Judgment and providing for swift resolution of technical disputes.
Microsoft seems to be in violation of resolution two. They are also prohibited from entering exclusive agreements.
Enjoy,
Want to sell me services? How about supporting Mac or Linux. Meantime the kids will be monitoring Norad tonight. http://www.santanorad.com/
Enjoy.
However, I always thought labeling it as _FOR_ Windows was moronic. What was that supposed to imply to the purchaser? That it was a Windows add-on?
:)
Thats ok, I have an original box here that says "Microsoft O/S 2". Try and grok that one
Enjoy,
The Integrated Woz Machine was named after the Woz, but it was designed by someone else.
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No, stand corrected or perish.
http://apple2history.org/museum/articles/byte8501
Why would you name a circuit after a person who didn't invent it? Why would one moderator mod you informative when your not? Go figure.
Enjoy.
When the 6502 was a hot processor, Woz was a pretty fair hack electrical engineer. Running the video off the CPU was a cute trick. But he hasn't had anything relevant to say about computers in a very long, long time.
Are you trolling?
1986:
The
http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=
2004:
Wheels of Zeus
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1734857,00.a
He knows more about modern technology than you do.
Enjoy,
Moderators, parent post is not a troll, just an opinion a person is entitled too.
Ubuntu is installed on my eleven year old's box (dual-boot Win98) and he loves it. Its easy enough that his nine year old brother gets on and plays bzflag, heroes, neverputt and even uses mozilla to play games at nick.com. The eleven year old uses OpenOffice, Blender, Stellarium, Scribus, and Inkscape. He cranks out his mp3's and shoutcast using xmms.
Linux not for kids my ass.
Enjoy,
The mechanism of the tropical storm system was worked out by the Japanese meteorologist K.V.Ooyama in 1964. His great fame apparently hasn't reached you, alas.
e rts/2003/2003060914930.html
You didn't read/understand my post. Ooyama is great, but he hasn't discovered how heat transfers to a hurricane.
"How heat is transferred from the ocean's surface into the air is a fundamental question, and understanding the mechanisms of heat transfer will help us make better models of hurricane formation, including models of how they grow in intensity," he says.
Read the full article here:
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/MediaAl
Enjoy.
The dramatic finding comes from a study of ocean circulation in the North Atlantic, which found a 30% reduction in the warm currents that carry water north from the Gulf Stream.""
:)
Hurricanes == Earth oceans heat dissapation system (Determine the heat transfer method and you will be famous).
2005 == 16+ storms in the Atlantic which sucked up some heat (alot).
The Atlantic, as a result may be cooler (Yes I view the heat imaging satallite pictures), which is natures whole goal of having hurricanes. Suck some heat.
Is it natural? Yes/No/Maybe. I don't know, but during the 70's it snowed here in Florida. Am I speculating? Yes, but don't worry about it, I've only had eight beers tonight. Am I an expert? No, but I do know that France might surrender because of this, I just don't know to whom
Chill (pun intended), its a great planet. It was here before Humans, it will be here long after were gone.
Enjoy.
Yes, Office... Microsoft was the first to bundle everything for the Windows desktop and create a single "application".
Nope, Appleworks. Even had a GUI version (cut/copy/paste between different applications) called AppleWorks GS. Long before MS Office.
Before office, Microsoft sold a DOS version of Works which was semi-integrated. Could cut and paste between the integrated components. PFS WindowsWorks might have beaten Office integration, it came with my IBM 386/PS1 running Windows 3.1. This was at the time Microsoft was still selling Excel/Word separate on 5.1/4 floppys.
Enjoy.
1. apply security and recommended patches on a simulated monthly release basis;
Is there anything out there equivalent to windows update? Windows wins this one
Nope, SuSE. Yast Online update, certified packages, multiple mirrors.
Enjoy.
to summarize, I'll repeat my other post - I can belive that setting up a linux sever can take longer time than setting up a windows server doing the same.
If we were talking about setting up a slackware, gentoo, or debian linux severs I'd agree with you, but this topic is about SuSE. In our lab, we have RedHat, SuSE 8/9, Windows NT/2000/2003, AIX 4/5, and SCO servers. The SuSE Yast program beats them all at setting up server services. Oracle setup on the other hand sucks on any platform
Enjoy,
Maybe you had changed it manually beforehand so nvidia-glx-config wouldn't touch it, much like dpkg-reconfigure on all Debian systems will ignore hand-modified files on the theory that if you made personal changes you don't want a configurator writing over them.
Your right. I followed the nvida instructions in the Ubuntu forums. The problem was I didn't see that the update was only for newer nVidia cards, not the legacy ones. So obviously I compounded the problem by installing the legacy driver without un-installing the newer ones.
Part of the problem is that I'm not that familiar with apt-get yet. I've been using Linux now since '95 and I've never used an apt-get based system
Enjoy.
I see none in this study.
e +software+sles8&btnG=Search
I have a SLES8 box here in the lab. I would enjoy reproducing the tests to see for myself.
The 3rd party software used is not disclosed. I see no commercial ecommerce solutions that run on both Windows and SLES8. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=ecommerc
I updated a SuSE8.2 Workstation (same core as SLES8) to SuSE9.0 with no major issues. I clicked on the Yast -> System -> Software Update after inserting the 9.0 CD1. This method is not addressed at all in the research paper.
In appendix 5, the table of companies consulted is listed, but not the contacts. I would like the names of the people contacted for this research paper that work for NASA, the FAA, the FTC, the USAF, the DoC and the DoJ. The FOIA gives me the right to query what was actually contributed from the US Government towards this research paper.
Enjoy,